With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge & 30 Others Denied, Jack Thompson Will Boycott Sanctions Hearing

May 28, 2008 -

Much has happened on the Jack Thompson front Since GamePolitics broke the news last week that Judge Dava Tunis had recommended to the Florida Supreme Court that the controversial attorney be found guilty on 27 counts of professional misconduct.

With a sanctions hearing scheduled before Judge Tunis on June 4th in Miami, Thompson has been tirelessly pushing his position that Tunis has no legal authority due to an issue with a forged loyalty oath (but not forged by Tunis -  more on that below).

Thompson also tried to subpoena 33 people for next week's hearing, including Take Two Interactive Chairman Strauss Zelnick, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Judge Ronald Friedman, who presided over the notorious Bully case in 2006. Judge Tunis denied that motion, however, citing procedural errors made by Thompson's side.

And, with federal lawsuits already pending against the Florida Bar and Florida Supreme Court, Thompson has  filed yet another suit in U.S. District Court, this time naming the State of Florida as defendant. In the new case, Thompson yet again invokes the loyalty oath issue and seeks to block the Bar from proceeding against him.

In a separate federal court filing, Thompson refers to the June 4th hearing as a kangaroo court and vows not to attend unless U.S. District Judge Joan Lenard strikes down a Florida Supreme Court order which bars Thompson from filing anything with the Florida Supreme Court unless signed by another attorney.

Finally, in a just-issued filing with Judge Tunis, Thompson seeks a stay of next week's sanctions hearing while demanding a mental health exam. Thompson complains in the document that he "has put up with this 'Jacky is whacky' charade long enough."

So that's the recap... What follows are some details regarding the loyalty oath issue.

While Thompson has sought to cast Judge Tunis in a highly negative light by saying that she was the "beneficiary" of a forged loyalty oath, an investigation by the Miami-Dade State Attorney's office indicated that a clerk apparently signed the oath without the knowledge of Tunis and two other judges. GamePolitics has received these comments from Eunice Sigler, a spokeswoman for the Miami-Dade Courts:

There are two separate and distinct documents being addressed. One is called the Oath of Office and the other is called the Oath of Loyalty. The Oath of Office is a document which, when properly executed, allows a judge or any other constitutional officer in the State of Florida to act in their official capacity in office.
 
First and most significantly, when Judge Tunis was appointed to the County Court bench in 2000, re-elected for a term beginning in 2003, and elevated to the Circuit Court bench in 2005, she properly executed the Oath of Office each time, as required by section 5, Article II of the Florida Constitution, before beginning her duties as a judge. These documents, provided by the Governor’s Office, were found to be in order by the Department of State as well as the Division of Elections for the State of Florida, and are not required to be notarized. That Oath of Office includes the promise to “support, protect, and defend the Constitution of the Government of the United States and of the State of Florida,” which incorporates the less specific Oath of Loyalty specified in section 876.05, Florida Statutes.
 
The second document, called the Oath of Loyalty, applies to all public employees and elected officials of the State of Florida and has no effect whatsoever on any judge’s authority or jurisdiction to act and therefore has no legal consequence as to the decisions made by any judge while serving on the bench.
When new judges as well as all new state employees begin their employment, they are given certain documents to sign.  If those individuals are employed within the court system, the Administrative Office of the Courts (AOC) provides them with a packet of documents to sign. When Judge Tunis received this packet at the beginning of her service on the bench in 2000, the Oath of Loyalty, required by section 876.05, Florida Statutes, was not provided to her for her signature. However, it appears that several days later, this Oath of Loyalty was completed with a forged signature and improperly notarized by a former AOC employee, then placed in the judge’s file without her knowledge.
 
When Judge Tunis first became aware of this on January 31st, 2008, she immediately executed the Oath of Loyalty, which has been properly filed.
 
As stated before, the Oath of Loyalty has no effect whatsoever on any judge’s authority or jurisdiction to act and therefore has no legal consequence as to the decisions made by any judge while serving on the bench.
 
The Eleventh Judicial Circuit takes any prohibited act by a court employee very seriously. Accordingly, a request has been made that the State Attorney and Inspector General investigate the forgery and the actions of the former AOC employee, which have unfortunately victimized Judge Tunis and other judges.
 
 

Indeed, the State Attorney's investigation into the loyalty oath issue found that Judge Tunis committed no wrongdoing whatsoever.

GP: While Thompson is pulling out all the stops to either remove Judge Tunis or postpone next week's sanctions hearing, neither appears likely to occur. Thus, the wheels of justice are moving inexorably toward the June 4th court date. At that time, it is expected that Judge Tunis will recommend penalties against Thompson that could include disbarment. From that point, it will be up to the Florida Supreme Court to issue a final ruling.


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Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

June 4th, a day after my birthday... Happy Birthday me.

NEXT!!!

Now maybe someone will step up who isn't a total moron. Someone who sounds at least somewhat intelligent, or better yet, a legislative baddass. Then, when we tear his/her ass up in the courts...it will be official. WE WILL BE THE VICTORS! Except...y'know...there will still be all the sad people who buy into all those moronic stereotypes and myths about videogames and those who play them. But hey, at least we won't have to go to court all the damn time. We won't be fully excepted until all of the old guard dies off and this generation enters office. I hope that happens soon...

-GRIZZAM PRIME(c)is property of the U.S. Marine Corp. Wetworks Dept., and also The Incredible Hulk-GRIZZAM PRIME is not to be associated with GRIZZAM 512 or any other GRIZZAM entity under penalty of law, so sayith ZARATHOS.

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

Awww, Jack just keeps flexing his little lawyer muscle sooo hard, he's so busy looking at it he doesn't notice the bar association's is bigger.

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

Just wondering is he rich or something? Doesn't it cost quite a bit of money to file suit? I remember him claiming some nonsense about how he hasn't accepted any money whatsoever for his game related cases and considering his track record I don't think he's a particularly good lawyer so whose funding him?

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

JT's bread and butter job is medical malpractice.  Presumably he represents plaintiffs, but concrete information is hard to get without exhaustive and expensive searches.  The wikipedia page doesn't even contain the word "malpractice", and JackThompson.org only mentions that that's his practice.

Disbarment would make him pretty much reliant on his wife's income and assets, which are believed to be pretty substantial.

 

 

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

His wife.

 

Mabey he will get a better job now (KFC). Because his death throws are making this look like the end.

Honor, Justice, Loyalty.

What I want to know is...

Just who gave Jack that loyalty oath bull?

As if he could tell such on his own, didn't he have some online "hand writing expert" "confirm" the sig was forged?  Unless he was taking a stab in the dark( Um.... Which I guess is kind of likely, he frequently throws curd around just to see if it sticks), I have my doubts that he came across that one on his own.

Hmmm you know, I could see someone just telling him such info -- while it being true -- just to toy around with him.  Seems like this issue is no issue, so maybe someone just wanted to get Jack's hopes up over something that they knew wasn't going to get Jack anywhere. 

I mean, it isn't like Jack has made any friends outside of his "game are porn, make people killers, and should be banned" crusade either....

Re: What I want to know is...

The oath was indeed forged -- someone wrote Judge Tunis's signature on the document without her knowledge or consent.  Whaddya know, a blind squirrel finds the occasional nut.

As for who put the idea in his head, the fella is an even nastier character than Jack Thompson, actually.  His name escapes me -- our own JackDon'tKnowJack has posted previously about him and knows quite a bit more than I do about the fella.  It's pretty certain that the whole loyalty oath angle was something this character put into JT's head.  It's already a sure sign of JT marginalizing himself, hanging around with these characters now that he's been drummed out of respectable circles like NIMF.

JDKJ, if you're reading, could you fill in the blanks?

 

Re: What I want to know is...

That would be Bob Hurt.

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

So Dennis, are you happy or insulted that you didn't make jack's subpoena'd (What is the past tense of subpoena?) character assassin list?

Is it possible for the public to submit evidence for a hearing or the mental health test? Maybe you could burn the GP database to a DVD or 5 & post it to the court

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

I think Subpoena is a noun, so it dos'nt have a past tence, but I'm no english major.

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

It's also a verb. As in, "Jack Thompson has subpoenaed Abraham, Moses, and Jesus Christ to appear as witnesses at his Hearing."

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

I wonder why Jack didn't deign to subpoena Dennis/GP.

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

I wonder how Sam And Maz, our favoite dog and rabbity-thing duo, would handle Jack.

Join the YouTube Boycott! Avenge the suspension of PlayItBogart and the hacking of Armake21!

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

With biting humour & over the top violence, same way they deal with everything else.

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

lol

Join the YouTube Boycott! Avenge the suspension of PlayItBogart and the hacking of Armake21!

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

Oh how the irrelevant have fallen!!!

-GRIZZAM PRIME(c)is property of the U.S. Marine Corp. Wetworks Dept., and also The Incredible Hulk-GRIZZAM PRIME is not to be associated with GRIZZAM 512 or any other GRIZZAM entity under penalty of law, so sayith ZARATHOS.

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

One last tantrum before he bows out then?

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

will he even bow out?

the only way you'd stop him permanently is to call in the people with the white jacket and a gag

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

 Look at this crap. All of these useless court documents being thrown around just so this loser can delay his execution? Come on. He needs his right to practice law revoked so he stops wasting the courts time and money pursuing his own selfish causes. Does he really believe this is acceptable? I think he may actually be a sociopath.

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

Does anyone here really think that this will be the end of JT?  Yes, he's almost certain to get disbarred, but isn't he just as likely to be offered his own show on Faux News?

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

Hopefully the day that happens will be the same day their ratings plummet.

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

Does that mean that soon on here we will see postings by "Jack Thompson, Former Attorney"?

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

Wow, biggest burn I've seen all day, +5 to you.

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

I honestly highly doubt it. Even if he loses his liscense he'll likely still paint himself as an attorney, and honestly, I hope he gets found out for it.

-kurisu7885

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

As stated before, the Oath of Loyalty has no effect whatsoever on any judge’s authority or jurisdiction to act and therefore has no legal consequence as to the decisions made by any judge while serving on the bench.

Good to hear. That's pretty much a slam dunk on Jack's pathetic blithering about "she has to vacate her seat and I get another stall as they pick another judge I can nitpick to death".

-- If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap...

-- If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap...

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

@gp

 

has the honorable dava tunis been informed of his statement and if she has did she issue a comment (or warning)?

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

Will putting him in Gitmo shut him up already?

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

I for one hope Jack-Jack teams up with Hulk Hogan and Uwe Bolle to achieve a miracle of lulz.

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

Jack's supeona list makes me think that perhaps he hasn't come to grips yet that it is he, not the video game industry that is on trial.  Just what would having Strauss Zelnick there prove?  Regardless of what Strauss' actions it doesn't change the fact that Jack is an infantile, unprofessional liar who has treated everyone around him with venom.

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

it's a conspiracy i tell you! A CONSPIRACY!

 

 

jokes aside.. n oone should really be surprised by this. this is usual Jack Thompson bull

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

From the JT filing demanding a new psychiatric examination:

"That article destroyed Thompson’s career, but it has been restored, as was Job in the Bible that Thompson’s dare adhere to."

 

Uh, what? I guess when you're sending 100 faxes and e-mails a day, you don't have time for proper grammar and checking to make sure that what you're writing makes any sense at all. I got tired of that filing after the first paragraph and skimmed most of it. It was a document as full of Fail as anything I have ever read.

June 4th can't some soon enough...

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

He compared himself to Job? Weren't all the bad things that happened to Job done by God? That means when we kick Jack while he's down, we're doing God's work. Good to know.

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

Actually they were done by the Devil with God's permission to test Job's faiuthfulness. He passed with flying colors and was rewarded two fold.

Somehow I don't make the same connection as Jack does though.

E. Zachary Knight
www.editorialgames.com

 

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

this just proves jack never read the bible (much less followed it) unless jack is claiming his disbarrment is "a test from god" which i would absolutely LOVE him to argue to the honorable dava tunis

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here...

This hearing is basically the same as the sentencing phase in a criminal trial. Thompson is not being allowed to call any witness to this hearing simply because the trial has already ended. He had every opportunity to call relevant witnesses during the trial, but chose not to and instead testify himself for several days. (You are free to speulate as to why this was.)

 

Big thank you to Eunice Sigler letting us know the difference between the Oaths. I can imagine how much paperwork Judges and other elected officials need to fill out upon taking office. That's one of the reasons they hire assistants to handle the 'formality' signing and filing of documents. Perhaps Thompson's shining the light on this practice will help to eliminate the vast amount of needless and outdated documents.

 

(to GP: I tried to register, but the system is not sending my my password. Another glitch in the site's update?)

Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong here...

That's not entirely true. While he can't put on a witness to testify as to matters that relate solely to his guilt or innocence (the time for that, as you rightly noted, has come and gone), he can put on witnesses to testify as to matters that would tend to mitigate his sanction (e.g., character witnesses).  Just like a criminal defendant can do during their sentencing phase. 

Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong here...

. . . jack  . . . character witnesses?

jacks character witness list would be comedy gold

need i say anything else (i know your just pointing out the law and procedure)

Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong here...

I thought the same thing as soon as I typed the words "character witness." LOL!

Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong here...

He certainly is a  ...er...  HAS character. Why he would want people like Strauss Zelnick and Ronald Friedman to attest to it is beyond me.

Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong here...

Same dumb reason he was trying to depose and add as a witness Pres. Bush, Gov. Bush, and a gazillion other impossible-to-get-a-hold-of persons before his guilt phase started: clog up the process as much as possible in order to delay.

Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong here...

To Mr. Thompson

Just a reminder. You DO have the ability to send filings to the court, you just need to have another member of the Bar sign them for you. Either you are unaware of this, refuse to acknowledge it, or are unable to find another member of the Bar willing or able to help you.

Care to enlighten us?

Re: With Subpeonas for everyone denied, Thompson cries

Jack Thompson is getting his just desserts, all because he refuses to practice what he preaches about growing up and getting a life.

So grow up and get a life, Jack. Man up and accept your punishment.

Re: With Subpeonas for everyone denied, Thompson cries

Just desserts indeed, we've got the icecream of the 27 charges topped by the whipped cream of his filing prohibition & the hot fudge of his potential disbarment. I think Jack knows a source of nuts...

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

I can certainly understand someone making every last ditch effort to save thier job and career, but I'm afraid this has gone too far, and I am someone who actually supports Jack's underlying cause for keeping violence and sex in the media away from children. The difference between myself and Jack however is I see this as an issue that must be faced at the family level, a level I believe the Christian, no, every religious faith, supports. Endless litigation and lawsuits against big corporations will not dent the wheels that already turn in this industry, and I believe Jack saw this in the 90's and just spiraled down into a pit of egotism and doubt. He began pursuing the very media he condemed for putting that filth out there as a way of self-promoting his faith and agenda. He clung to each and every newspaper and TV interview he got, he touted himself as the man God chose. I don't know if it was insecurity or such an inability to communiate with people that he resorts to treating them like low-lives beneath him, but now he scours the Internet trying to squash anyone who disagrees with him, and makes frivilous and unprofessional complaints about fellow lawyers, judges, and officials that don't agree with him.

Case in point, I think Jack's cause is still valid and worth him pursuing, but he's made too many mistakes of his own free will. It's high time he face reality and sink with his ship, only then will I truly respect the man for what he has accomplished, foolish or otherwise.

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

I disagree.  I don't want religious belief OF ANY KIND dictating LAW.  It doesn't matter if its a Christian, Satanist, or Wiccan- their BELIEFS should not be the basis of any laws.

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

Delta, we all pretty much agree that violent videogames shouldn't really be in the hands of children, but it's up to the parents to enforce it, rather than the retailers/developers/government, etc.  

However, Jack's idea of doing this means demonizing gamers to the point where games shouldn't be sold to anyone, because as he puts it, if a murder happens somewhere, there's about a 101% chance that the killer is a gamer.  Stuff like that is what makes him an absolute moron. 

It really makes you wonder what Jack could have actually done with his law degree if he actually had the slightest amount of common sense (and legal know-how).  It's a shame.  Well, congratulations on wasting a good portion of your life, Jack.

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

Delta, while I can agree with being careful about what children see in the media, I fear that Thompson's methods have caused us gamers (Which as you noted JT basicly think of as the offal of pond scum) too much frustration. I know as a Christian you are supposed to love the sinner while hating the sin. But after almost 20 years of his constant tirades most of us want to see him fall, if for no other reason then the closure of a period in the sub-culture of gaming.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

Ah, the final death flail on the career of the most entertaining enemy we have ever had.  This is the sweetest wine of them all.  I pose this question to the community:

How many of you have spruced up on your knowlege of law because of JT either to prove him wrong or just out of the "see what he does and do the exact opposite" effect?  I know that before JT I could not pass the Bar exam and now I can ace the practice exam.  Thanks Jack, I was not going to be a lawyer but I am glad that I know I will make a better one than you will ever be.

Re: With Subpoenas for Strauss Zelnick, Jeb Bush, Bully Judge &

too be quite honest is there even a need for him to show up hes facing a guilty count on 27 charges!!! maybe hes just trying to save gas

 
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