In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

May 30, 2008 -

The lawyer for a 25-year-old New Zealand man who pleaded guilty to beating a police officer and stealing a patrol car has blamed his client's crime in part on playing Grand Theft Auto - and the judge apparently agreed.

As reported by the Dominion Post, attorney Cris Nicholls argued at the sentencing hearing for Tim Reid that his client's behavior was influenced by the game.

From the news account:

[Reid] committed violent offences and compulsively played Grand Theft Auto. Mr Nicholls said a video game that showed violence toward police was a public safety concern, with the game promoting the behaviour...

 

Wellington District Court judge Denys Barry jailed Reid for five years... He said Reid was hardwired for violence and anti-social behaviour and programmed by his recreational pursuits.

GP: Reid, according to the report, began smoking pot at age five. He had been physically and sexually abused while growing up, and continues to abuse drugs and alcohol. He has priors for assault and robbery. Moreover, he is a 25-year-old man, not an impressionable adolescent.

Yet a video game is to blame?


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Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

umm the defence has a tailor made claim of mental instability (as well i imagine as one hell of a sob story) and this is his defense are we sure jacky boy hasnt left the country?

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

it would be hard for Thompson to implicate GTA IV in this.  But if he does implicate it I will laugh so hard.

The Judge seems to be a fairly insane person to implicate GTA even though this guy has been smoking pot since five and getting abused often too.

 

 

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

No no Dennis his vast history of mistakes cannot have any value or fault.   That would imply that society is to blame and would require whoever sat in judgement of his mistakes to take responsibility.  Nope much much easier to blame it on games.

Hmmm for punishment I would suggest breaking his fingers so he is not capable of holding a gamepad.  That or lock him in a room with JBT for a weekend. 

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

I, for one, am having trouble seeing how this follows from the judge's perspective as a cause.  I could see it being an inspiration if say, the judge really believes this guy can't tell fantasy from reality, but if that's the case, the problem is that the guy is a PSYCHOTIC, not that he saw this in a game.  In that case, he needs to be locked away for the good of society and treated.  Of course, since we don't have the judge's reasoning here, that gets pretty speculative.

 

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

I just don't trust any country that doesn't have the decency to have the water swirl the correct way down the drain.


 

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Send him back to Old Zealand.

That'll learn 'im.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

I smell an agenda.  Hardwired?  Hardly.

 

GTA is a game about choice.  Real life is about making choices.

 

This assclown made some bad choices... at least they didn't let him off the hook entirely.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Yeah, GTA is about choice. Without (real) consequence. I think of GTA as a mirror to one's inner personality; people do what they do in GTA because they like it.

If the defendant played GTA and obssessivly beat up cops, then he was predisposed in that direction. But I can't help but think GTA DID reinforce his violent tendency. Of course, this doesn't mean he can blame his crime solely on GTA...

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Seems kind of ironic that people say that "in GTA you can kill cops with no consequences".

It looks like thanks to the videogames-made-me-do-it defence, you can do it in real life now too.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

@GP what does smoking pot at age 5 have to do with anything?

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

what does smoking pot at age 5 have to do with anything?

Just like how alcohol and cigarettes are no good for children, pot at too early an age, and in sufficient quantities, can muck with your mental development. As others have mentioned, pot in non-moderate quantities can heighten pre-existing susceptibility to schizophrenia and the like.

My question is, how do you teach a 5 year old to smoke, let alone smoke pot?

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Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

I was in a bus station in London a year or so back, sat next to me was a typical chav family (teenage parents, fake gold coming out of there back side) with a two year old child. The mother was showing off the "clever little boy, init" by giving him a lighted cigarette and the kid taking a drag from it.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

I imagine they mostly learn by watching.  Both my step-brothers started with cigarettes when they were about five years old.  They learned it by watching virtually every adult they'd ever known.  Well, that and a small amount of experimentation.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Well for one thing pot is a drug that exacerbating the effects of depression, psychosis, schizophrenia combinded with the fact that this person had terrible up bringing makes for a good argument that it actualy help creat this life for the man. So I do think that him smokeing pot at age 5 help and lead to many problems and is relivent.

 

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Pot doesn't increase the effects of depression or schizophrenia, this is a common misconception, and honestly if my parents had smoked me up when i was 5 it might have made less nuts, I think my objection is that next to sexual and physical abuse the effects of marijuana become essentially nil. Sig figs, and whatnot.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Well, it doesn't really mean much by itself, but depending on the circumstances, it's a fairly good indication that things weren't going well for him even at that age.  It depends on where and how he was getting it really.  If, at five years old, he was nicking jewelry to trade to his dealer for pot, that's pretty messed up.  Even if he was just getting it from his parents because they thought it was fine for a five year-old to light up, that's a little dodgy.  But I reckon the sexual and physical abuse are far better signs of the sort of parents he had.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Smoking pot at an early age (5) is an indication fo a lack of parental supervision.  Chances are, this kid was either a latch-key baby, or he came from an unusually dysfunctional family.  Yes, if your parents give you pot at five, your family is dysfunctional. 

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

There are a lot of people who think smoking pot will destroy your life automatically despite the fact that a lot of successful intelligent people have done it/still do it. Doing at the age of 5 could really screw you up though, if you're not metnally prepared for it you can really freak yourself out, especially if you're alone when you're doing it.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Everyone knows that being physically and sexually abused, decades of drug and alcohol usage, and a history of violent crime have nothing to do with whether a 25-year-old man beats a policeman and steals his patrol car. It could *only* be that he was "programmed" as a result of GTAIV.

Are you sure it wasn't the judge who started smoking pot at age 5?

 

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

[sarcasm]Must have been the video games, I don't see any other traumatic experience that could have lead to this individuals criminal behavior.  [/sarcasm]

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

. But really.. this is kinda messed up.

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Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

[sarcasm]Sweet, first reply![/sarcasm] Seriously, EZK, WTF? Did Dennis approve this?

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Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

I have taken the matter into my own hands. I just find the use of "First Comment" etc, to be very annoying. It is pointless. I will however leave any that are not the actual first comment in as they have punished themselves.

Other than replacing the "First Comment" I will be leaving the rest of the comment intact so that person will still be able to voice their opinion.

It has not been approved by Dennis, but he has not objected either. If he does object, I will stop.

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Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Either way, consult Dennis before you do that again. Me gut says it could lead to a lot of trouble. And not jsut for you, but possibly Dennis. I don't honestly know, but better safe than sorry.

I AM A LOST SOUL, CONDEMNED TO HAUNT THE DREAMS OF JOHN BRUCE "JACK" THOMPSON UNTIL HIS CRUSADE AGAINST VIDEO GAMES ENDS. SOMEONE, PLEASE! END MY SUFFERING!



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I AM DOOMED TO HAUNT JACK THOMPSON'S DREAMS UNTIL HIS CRUSADE AGAINST VIDEO GAMES ENDS.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

EZK: I have declared war on the phrase "First Comment" all all variations of it. All will be replaced with a thumbs down. ;)

Thank you.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

"First comment lol."

Really!?!? We couldn't tell considering your comment was the first one under the article.  Did you get a prize? A button? A blue ribbon? A cookie...oh, you got nothing for claming to be first...sad face...

*On Topic*

Could the defendent have received clemency solely on the "video games made me do it" defense? The other trauma had to have played a part in the ruling...

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

If I were this guy i'd be so pissed that my lawyer couldn't think up something better than: vidjaygames made heem doos iet

Seriously....only 5 years with the videogame defense imagine how scotfree he could have been if he argued the whole"GP: Reid, according to the report, began smoking pot at age five. He had been physically and sexually abused while growing up" aspect of things

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Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Obviously our society is doomed. Think about it. We are now officially the GTA generation. Our youth? Yikes. GTA influenced society is scary only if we believe in the unreal. C'mon. Video games made me do it? Classic. I mean how many times has GTA been thrown under the bus but keeps on selling millions of copies. I think that my friends, sums it all up.

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