Jack Thompson: Sweet & Sour

June 5, 2008 -

A Florida Judge recently recommended that Jack Thompson be found guilty on 27 counts of professional misconduct. A federal judge tossed his lawsuit against the Florida Supreme Court on Tuesday. And the Florida Bar yesterday moved to have him disbarred for a decade.

But, don't fear for Jack Thompson.

No dummy he, the controversial anti-game activist has his detractors right where he wants them. At least, according to Thompson.

Under the subject line of SWEET! (GP: I kid you not), an e-mail circulated by Thompson this morning cites today's Daily Business Review coverage of his case and reads, in part:

Because of the [DBR] article, which contains my entire Objections filing, I am now getting phone calls from highly respected people who are proving to me the criminal conduct of The Florida Bar... We are meeting with law enforcement officials about that. 
 
This is all wonderful.  Light is now being shone in some very dark places, and the Daily Business Review has assisted in that wonderfully.
 
I am now going to win this fight, by the grace of God and because of the First Amendment, most particularly the right to freedom of the press.  Certain Florida Bar officials need to hire criminal defense lawyers today.  The investigations are already underway.  And if you think I'm kidding, then you don't know Jack.
 

So much for the sweet. Or should we say, the SWEET!

On the SOUR! side, after Thompson declared in a recent sworn federal court motion that Bar trial referee Dava Tunis had leaked case documents to GamePolitics, we pointed out that his claim - which he wrote that he was making under penalty of perjury - was untrue. We also explained that we had received the documents from Eunice Sigler, Director of the Office of Government Liaison and Public Relations for the 11th Judicial Circuit of Florida, pursuant to our various public records requests.

Just one day after our story debunking Thompson's false claim regarding Judge Tunis ran, the controversial attorney filed a document with Eunice Sigler's boss, demanding to see her official loyalty oath. Readers will recall that he has unsuccessfully targeted Judge Tunis over the loyalty oath issue as well.

Thompson's focus on Ms. Sigler, a court administrator simply carrying out her duties, seems from here like a case of very sour grapes.


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Re: Jack Thompson: Sweet & Sour

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YES.

Now I don't have to get off my ass for the important shit anymore!

Whats next, ordering pizza from Xbox live?

Wait... I think that sounds like a good idea.

But I think voting should MAKE you get off your ass, and see outside or a second while you go vote. I mean, your picking the president of the United States of America for God's Sake... least you can do is drive down there and punch out a card.

 

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From law.com

"Thompson also filed a federal lawsuit against the Bar, arguing it has overstepped its bounds regarding its discipline of him. In March, the Supreme Court issued an order preventing him from filing documents with the high court without the signature of another Florida Bar member. The court's clerk has since refused to accept documents filed by him in the case. Thompson countered the high court's decision violates his Sixth Amendment right to choose his own legal representation."

Call me crazy on this one, but I'm damned sure that the Sixth Amendment says, and I quote "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."

Read the first four words: "In All Criminal Trials." Not civil cases you brain dead schmuck. Also, it says nothing about choosing one's own lawyer, it says that a lawyer can be assigned to someone who doesn't have it, but that is a moot point, because the Amendment is for Criminal cases, ya frickin' idiot. I mean seriously Jack, have you ever actually read the complete text of all the Amendments? Because you are seriously getting them wrong left and right. I mean really, you are like an idiot I knew in High School who was so stoned on pot that on tests, like his driving test, he answered only 3 questions correctly.

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SWEET! Get out of the limelight now, Jack-off!

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I'm saying if we could collect or use all that hot air he could power (or heat) a small village.

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The Daily Business Review has a recent article on Jack's recent walk-out at his sanction hearing (it's also got the audio of the entire hearing, if you're interested). There's a recent picture of Jack included. I was a little taken aback. He's aged 20 years in the last 12 months and looks likes he's been hitting the bottle. I figured that scary picture of him holding up the copy of GTAIV was a one-time thing (maybe taken on a Sunday, after a weekend of not shaving and staying up late) and he'd clean up nicely. He ain't cleaned up nicely. He looks like warmed up dog doo-doo.  

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Aww, you can't tease us like that.  For those lucky subscribers, it's http://www.dailybusinessreview.com/news.html?news_id=48939 .  And yes, it's as worrisome as Mr. Don'tKnowJack, Esq. (?) makes it out to be.  Maybe an intervention is in order.

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Subscriber or not, if you go to JAAblog, they've got a link there that'll hook you up. It's under the tiny, scowling picture of Jack, and is entitled "The Saga of Jack Thompson" or somesuch, as I recall.

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please and thank you!

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 Wow...You know, a reasonable person would just cut their losses and run.  What a whiney little girl he is.  He just can't call it quits until his professional reputation is COMPLETELY unsalvageable.  You're going to lose, Jacky, just like you've lost EVERY case before this one.  Idiot...

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I'm starting to feel like I'm watching a cross between Navi from Zelda and Suiseiseki from Rozen Maiden. About all I see coming from JT these days is "Hey listen, desu desu desu desu desu!" repeated over and over again. In fact I don't think his arguments are any worse off if we actually replace them all with that quote.

Reporter: "Jack, how do you plan on getting out of disbarrment?"

JT: "Hey listen, desu desu desu desu desu!"

Reporter: "O..K... umm.... right, next question. Why are violent video games bad or harmful to children?"

JT: "Hey listen, desu desu desu desu desu!"

Reporter: "Interesting answer Mr. Thompson. Lets hear about some of those studies that you've said in the past show a causual link between video games and violent crime?"

JT: "Hey listen, desu desu desu desu desu!"

Reporter: "*sigh* Ok, time for one last question. We'd like to know some about your book you published?"

JT: "Hey listen, conspiracy conspiracy conspiracy conspiracy! Desu!"

Strangely enough all of the above still makes as much sense to a common sane observer as the stuff JT has actually said.

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i'd do a desu spam here...

but i'm afraid that dennis might kill for it.. :p

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Aw... I'm rather fond of Suiseiseki.

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She was one of my favorite characters too, but she does overuse desu enough to be known for it and, since I liked the character, she was the first one to come to mind when I needed someone who overuses desu. I can recall someone else doing the same thing, even more-so than Suiseiseki, but I can't remember the character name or series.

Given all the desu animations involving her, she was also the one most likely for other people to recognize here, even if they aren't into anime.

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They say a man who represents himself has a fool for a client.

I can't help but think that if Jack had simply shut up and hired a competent lawyer to handle his bar trial he wouldn't be in the pickle he's in.

Jack is above all else a liar.  And as a christian that basically means he's going to hell.  He's not working with law enforcement, they won't have anything to do with his gungho crusade.  The FBI won't return his phone calls, i'm pretty sure after the debacle with bully the local PD isn't all that intrested in talking to him since he wanted to put former police chiefs on the stand to make fools of themselves by calling Bully a public neusience.

The Center for Media and the Family gave him the brush off and told him to never claim association with them again.

The Florida Bar is sick of him, the florida Bench is sick of him, the florida supreme court is acting like the girlfriend of a stalker and refuses to even look at his filings.

Jack is a horrible lawyer.  I cannot seem to locate anything that he's outright "won".  Settlements don't really count because we can be reasonably sure that he simply harrassed the other party into giving up, rather than dazzleing them with his legal thrashings.

It's actually painful to read his filings, postings, emails and other output.  I feel very sorry for Tunis who had to wade through thousands of pages of his drivel.  The man cannot write.  His grammer is infantile, as is his attitude.  He rambles on for pages of run-on sentances, lies, defamations, half-truths, and out right garbage without a single consistant paragraph.  What's worse are the hints he drops.  He NEVER has ANY evidence to back up what he claims.  He doesn't present anything that can be confirmed.  He only talks about surprises, and nameless compatriots who have come out of the woodwork to support his cause.

I call BS!  Prove it Mr. Thompson.  Name your sources.  Name your co-conspiritors against the noble video game.  Show us your evidence and put all your cards on the table.  If your evidence cannot withstand the light of day then it is better that you never even trouble us with your lies and constant yammering.

I will predict what response he would make to that request.  He will claim that his evidence would then be tainted.  That someone would work to destroy the prescious facts he has worked so hard to glean.  And I will tell you why that's a lie.  If something is fact, then no matter how hard anyone works to discredit it, or remove it or destroy it then it will stand on its own without the legal trickery, the constant character assassinations and the back door tricks.

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see! there is a conspiracy against him! [/sarcasm]

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I call BS!  Prove it Mr. Thompson.  Name your sources.  Name your co-conspiritors against the noble video game.  Show us your evidence and put all your cards on the table.  If your evidence cannot withstand the light of day then it is better that you never even trouble us with your lies and constant yammering.

Acutally we know the names of three of his six so-called "experts," but he rarely mentions them.  You really have to listen to all his interviews and appearances as he has only mentioned at least one of them.  Here the ones ones known so far that I have gleaned over the years.

Col. David Grossman- Mentioned by JT during his debate with Lorne Lanning at the 2007 VGXpo.  No doubt he appropriated the term "Murder Simulator" - which Grossman actually coined - from him.  No confirmation from Grossman on if they are actually working together.

Eugene Provenzo- Professor at the University of Miami.  Confirmed in court record as having appeared with Thompson during the Bully trial.  His big moment was when Judge Friedman asked him to speak when JT suddenly told him not to, then later turned around and accused Friedman of denying Provenzo the right to speak.

Neil Bushman- Psychologist.  Author of the report that asserted violent video games posed just as great a health risk to kids as smoking and obesity.  Was mentioned by JT in the podcast interview with Danny LeDonne about SCMRPG.

It's not clear whether these indivduals are in true collusion with him or he's just pulling names out of his ass.  It's also not clear if any of these "experts"  "testified before Congress" as he says.  At least Provenzo can be confirmed.  But the rest we can't be sure.  In any case, one wonders why he doesn't readily mention them, as getting him to tell us their names is almost like pulling teeth.  But it could be for the reasons you mentioned.

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The FBI won't return his phone calls, i'm pretty sure after the debacle with bully the local PD isn't all that intrested in talking to him since he wanted to put former police chiefs on the stand to make fools of themselves by calling Bully a public neusience.

I like the Daily Show's quote from yesterday (on a different issue, but with regards to calling the PD over stupid crap):

"Stop calling us, we have real crimes to deal with."

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You, sir, have won the Internet.

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Seconded. Now, who's got an internet to give him?

Also seconding the statement about JT not knowing how to write. I have read works done by children that were better than anything Jack has done that's been publically available. Heck, there was a contest I remember from a while ago that published books by kids who wrote and illustrated their own stuff that produced a lot of books that are far superior to anything of JT's. Dunno how easy it would be to find them anymore since the company went under, but if anyone does want to look for kids books (I know there's gotta be some parents around here who could appreciate some good kids books), hunt down the Landmark Editions "Written and Illustrated by" winners. I read them all as a kid, and know that with the exception of maybe 5-6 books they're all better than JT's drivel. I think it's telling when an 8 year old who's writing and illustrating his own book manages better writing that a lawyer, 'nuff said.

I'll second the call of BS and demand for the facts/evidence to be brought forward, along with the names of everyone working with/for you. Until the evidence and people can be validated as true, in favor of you, and actually on your side all you're doing is wasting air and other natural resources. I'm afraid at the rate you waste stuff, on behalf of the evnironmentalists, I'm going to have to ask you to hold your breath and stop sending faxes, because while air and paper are renewable resources you're going through both way too fast for the environment to restore itself.

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I third your seconding in its entirety, Ix. That man has won... the INTERNET.

I AM A LOST SOUL, CONDEMNED TO HAUNT THE DREAMS OF JOHN BRUCE "JACK" THOMPSON UNTIL HIS CRUSADE AGAINST VIDEO GAMES ENDS. SOMEONE, PLEASE! END MY SUFFERING!



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I AM DOOMED TO HAUNT JACK THOMPSON'S DREAMS UNTIL HIS CRUSADE AGAINST VIDEO GAMES ENDS.

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And Penny Arcade gives us their take:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/6/6/

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Jack,

Getting into an argument with the meter maid who gave you a parking ticket outside the courthouse on Wednesday does not constitute "meeting with law enforcement officials".

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Is it just me, or is there a little daffy duck in jack

i mean the spittle, the constant moaning, the greed, etc

i'm just curious about one thing, why are these mysterious people calling jack now

why not call him during the trial, you know, when they might have been able to something

wasn't their a report on GP not too long as well, that the FBI weren't even listening to him anymore?

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The past year has been quite rough for me, ranging from job loss to family deaths, but what thing truly TRULY kept me smiling ;

 

Jack Thompson.

 

Once justice will be done, rightfully and righteously (just the way JT likes it), I won't be laughing as much...

 

I'll miss you JT... Now get off our lawn you attention-whore!!

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Ah the Black Knight of the legal industry once again claims 'tis only a scratch' as he lies on the ground with no arms or legs.

Really, I mean what's beyond delusional? Whatever that line is he's now well over it and heading into uncharted.

Plus I doubt that I'm the only one that catches the scent of hypocrisy:

'I am now going to win this fight, by the grace of God and because of the First Amendment'

The one shred of hope he’s hanging onto is the very thing he's been trying to deny people all these years!

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Woah, Jack's erratic behavior is certainly uncalled for. I mean, it's more like Hitler shouting in his speech to his supporters. Except it's much worse.

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And once again Godwins Law is proven correct ;)

-- mostly harmless

mostly harmless

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Mad, mad as a hatter

I'd love to live in his world, where everything bad is good, and everything good is SWEET

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@Everyone Who Impersonates Jack Thompson

Guys, that is a low blow.

I AM A LOST SOUL, CONDEMNED TO HAUNT THE DREAMS OF JOHN BRUCE "JACK" THOMPSON UNTIL HIS CRUSADE AGAINST VIDEO GAMES ENDS. SOMEONE, PLEASE! END MY SUFFERING!



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I AM DOOMED TO HAUNT JACK THOMPSON'S DREAMS UNTIL HIS CRUSADE AGAINST VIDEO GAMES ENDS.

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I hope everyone impersonating Jack gets banned. It's uncalled for and has no place here.

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I agree.  It also really annoys me that people send him angry emails and stupid death threats which he then just uses against the games industry by showing them to the media and flouting it as proof that gamers are aggresssive and violent.

*sigh*

Why can't we just take comfort in the fact that we know we are right, he is slightly loopy and especially that he has absolutely no decent arguments or evidence?  That should be enough to let us just deal with idiots like Jack calmly and reasonably...

So no more childish piss taking or angry threats (baseless as they are, he will use them against us).  Reasonable arguments, and laughter at his antics is all that is necessary :)

-- mostly harmless

mostly harmless

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I agree with everything you say, except the "slightly loopy" bit. I think any psychologist trained in abnormal behavior will find him much more than that. I've put forth Narcissistic Personality Disorder, as others have done with Sociopathy and Martyr Complex. The man is clearly deranged. His rantings and boasts should prove this.

Hopefully, one day, society at large and the court system will realize this and he can get the help he so desperately needs to deal with it so that his family can live somewhat of a normal life, especially his son, for whom we can only hope the best.

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Yeah. As tempting as it is, it's really low. I just imagine him crying

"They're stealing my job. I'M the one who's supposed to do that. And to top it all, they're better than I am. I've worked for 31 long years of a lawyer carreer to be such a perfect jerk and now kiddies are beating me to it. *sob*."

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True. Im starting to wonder if the first one was a fake

PS, I am about to file suit against you.

That's a wonderful way to ask for something.  Jack might have less enemies if he were a little nicer about the way he does things.

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So the only reason Jack has this woman's name is through GP?

Big time slap on the wrist for mentioning that poor women's name on here if that is the reason for Jack going after her.  You know Jack as well as anyone and you should have seen that coming.  You owe her flowers and a big time apology.  Don't give the man more people to annoy to tears or worse. 

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She's the court reporter. It's not a secret anymore than the name of the Judge in the case. He stalks anyone and everyone in anyway involved in his "persecution".

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Eunice Sigler, Director of the Office of Government Liaison and Public Relations for the 11th Judicial Circuit of Florida

Not the court reporter.  Technically, it isn't a big deal.  But we are dealing with Jack here and how would you feel if the woman that helped get documents for our enjoyment had her fax machine killed by Jack?

 

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I'm just saying, don't make it that easy for him to make others suffer.

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Considering her title and position, I'm sure everyone who works or has a case in the courthouse knows who she is and what her job is. Jack probably even knows this.

He's just acting like the spoiled brat he is by trying to punish anyone who doesn't agree with him, no matter how immature and petty it is.

PS - anyone know how long it'll take to get my password?

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It only took mine (my password) a couple of minutes. You might want to check and make sure it didn't get pulled in as spam or something.

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Did that, no luck. Anyone I can contact for help? It hasn't been a day yet, so I'm not that worried... yet.

NPS - does anyone else have a problem with using a ' in contractions/possesives? Whenever I do it opens up the "Find" box in Firefox. Very annoying. Maybe it's my Logitech keyboard, except it doesn't seem to do it anywhere else?

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Well he tracked down the Take 2 CEO's Mom. Never underestimate what a lunatic with no job can accoplish with a lot of money.

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That picture of Jack is fucking hillarious.

-GRIZZAM PRIME(c)is property of the U.S. Marine Corp. Wetworks Dept., and also The Incredible Hulk-GRIZZAM PRIME is not to be associated with GRIZZAM 512 or any other GRIZZAM entity under penalty of law, so sayith ZARATHOS.

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

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"The lurkers support me by e mail."

Gee, I haven't heard that since graphical interfaces.

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You know, I hope he does go even farther off the edge after disbarment. Maybe then NO ONE will take him seriously anymore. (Not that many do as it is)

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I just wonder how people like this make a living?  I mean, who would hire him as a lawyer anyway?  Does he just get appearance money?  Did he slip & fall in a WalMart?

SWEET?

Are you sure he typed the right subject line?  He might have been in the middle of replying to an email containing several files of evidence ending with the extension ".jpg" for all we know.

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Question...

"...I am now getting phone calls from highly respected people who are proving to me the criminal conduct of The Florida Bar..."

...Were those phone calls before, inbetween, or after the supposed threats against you and your family from gamers?  You made it sound like you couldn't even get an inbound call from a local charity organization let alone someone who had proof of criminal conduct of the Florida Bar.

Again JT I think the truth has caught up to your lies and deceit.

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