Game Burning: It's the New Book Burning

Game Burning: It's the New Book Burning

June 9, 2008

While many churches are embracing video game nights as a means of reaching out to youth, a pastor in Newport News, Virginia would like to see violent video games and rap music go up in smoke.

As reported by the Daily Press, Rev. Richard Patrick, 42, blames violent entertainment for the crime which he says has affected 90% of his congregation in one way or another:

We are considering having something similar to a rally where parents and children can bring CDs and video games that they consider are destructive to the mind set of our youth and have a burning...
 

 Young people are being influenced by what they see and what they hear. They are being influenced by television ... television and videos are telling young people a vision but something that's not reality...

 

[Violent media] has a tremendous influence on young people and violence. That's basically all they see. Most of them try to emulate what they see, when in reality, the people they see don't even live in those communities. Some of the rappers they see on TV portraying crime don't live in the urban areas — they live in the suburbs somewhere. It's all a facade.
 

 

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"Television and videos are telling young people a vision but something that's not reality..."


Says the church.

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Gosh-darn it, that was going to be my point. Ah well, at least the person that beat me to it got there FIRST!!!

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"Television and videos are telling young people a vision but something that's not reality..."


"Says the church."

Don't be an ass

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And now back to my original post:

Game Burning: It's the New Book Burning

Wooo! thats all I need ter hear sign me up!

Nazi Germany FTW!

/obvious Sarcasm

---Reno to Thompson "I'm only interested in virile men. That’s why I'm not attracted to you." This kids, is what we call a grammatical smack down

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Excuse me, when they say all these awful things about my hobby and beliefs, I'm sure as hell going to express my opinion. They don't get to say those things and then not hear critisism in return. This is utterly sickening.

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Don't be a hypocrite.

If religious people have the right to critisize others, then we have to right to critisize them too.  It goes both ways.

"...a rally where parents and children can bring CDs and video games that they consider are destructive to the mind set of our youth"

I should join them an bring various holy books.

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When and where I want to come along for that!

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Throw that priest in there as well

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good anybody know the number to oreder the king james bibile on dvd  i need a semitrucjk full to bring to this

ps any one know where i can get someoone to do a good nazi paintjob on that semi

becuase kids arson is always the anwser

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what choocko quasi christian sect is this i lost track three weeks into the Protestant reformation

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Organised religion is a human matter that can be openly criticised, but the existance of God is a seperate matter than we can never know the answer to.

But I do agree about this bearing striking similarities to nazism.. seriously, when has burning things you don't agree with ever been a sign you're fighting the good fight?

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Every good Christian knows that deatg something that only the clergy should be able to hand down - For stuff like not being in church on Sundays, or questioning the church; perhaps stealing a cup - wiat, anything - from the church, no matter how worthless or cheap it is. Or perhaps building a really tall tower... Wait, hang on a sec, we're not in the middle ages - I heard "book burning" and assumed that i had landed in a time machine or something

What did you expect?

Did you honestly expect that this so-called Christian would refrain from blaming games and rap for social ills? In the 1980s, uptight Christians like this one blamed D&D and heavy metal. Now they blame videogames and hiphop. If Christianity is still around 50 years from now, they'll find something else to blame.

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Lol.. Im not a Christian, and I blame Hip-Hop and Rap for many of societie's Ills..

Then again, show me an area where Hip-Hop and Rap are played exclusively and there isn't trouble. ><

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Ugh.. Spelling, sorry guys, typed that in a rush...

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First post and boy aren't they a bunch of nice people?  To quote Henry Jones Sr. from Last Crusade, "My son, we're pilgrims in an unholy land. " 

EZK:

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Hopefully EZK makes it around and can replace your "first post" with a big ol' "Thumbs Down".

 

That's not the way we roll here.

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Nah. When they say "First Post" and are not first, I just openly point and laugh as the whole "first post" thing is just a pointless pursuit.

E. Zachary Knight
www.editorialgames.com

 

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Third reply to the second discussion thread! :woop:

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The Mammon Industry

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I would love to go there with a stack of fucking bibles and throw them into the blaze. This is insanity at its finest.

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At first I honestly thought you said you would throw a stack of fucking BABIES into the fire. Although that would be really cool and possibly inspire another generation of dead baby jokes.

Then again throwing babies into the blaze would be insanity at its finest hmm maybe we can do that then somehow blame the church (I kid).

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Yeah, that'll make them love gamers even more.

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Sorry to break the news to you, but stacking babies is virtually impossible with out a form.

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Or a lance.

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Spoken like a true bureaucrat!

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"We are considering having something similar to a rally where parents and children can bring CDs and video games that they consider are destructive to the mind set of our youth and have a burning, just like they had a gun buyback last year..."

 

Sounds great, I think Ill organise one for Bibles and other religious books.

Organised religion has done more to corrupt the minds of youth than videogames could ever hope to accomplish. Oh, and the whole "vision of reality" thing? From the Church? SERIOUSLY?

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You'd probably get busted for committing a hate crime or something. >_>

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Hate Crime? Nope, only if they were Korans...

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Good one. But I haven't heard of any case where a Bible has been burned- ony moved into "Religious Fiction" sections at shops.

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Oh great.  I was wondering if we'd ever hear about this sooner or later.  At least it's just this one guy, though.

Personally, I find the idea of a "game burning" impractical.  I mean, the fumes from the burning plastic would be murder.

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Hey, hey now, don't you go warning them!

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"Golly! We found that everyone in our congreation had visions and spoke in tongues after the game burning! T'was a miracle! Praise jeebus!"

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LOL!

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This is just the church having a temper tantrum, because they aren't getting their own way (also see Hitler and Jack Thompson).  However this is also dangerous temper tantrum, and I hope common sense actually prevails.

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So first you do a 'first post!' when it wasn't, then ya gotta go and Godwin the thread.... I hate to think what your next post will be. :P

But agreed on the 'common sense prevailing' hopes, though.

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Ya know, having said in the past that I believe that "God is made in the image of the individual believer" among other certain things along those lines, I once considered making a video where I would take bunches of religious texts, such as Christian Bibles, stick the names of specific individuals on those religious texts to represent those religious texts being the specific religion, translations, and interpretations of specific individuals (as opposed to the overall relgious beliefs the texts were written for), such as "Holy Bible of Fred Phelps" and "Holy Bible of Eric Rudolph" and "Holy Bible of John Bruce 'Jack' Thompson", and others, including other religions (not just "Christians").  Then, piling them up, defiling them with bodily waste products, then setting them ablaze.

Would make for a great protest against the abusive and bigoted nature of various individuals and groups who use religion as a justification for lies, deceit, bigotry, hate, abuse, and a great many other "immoral" acts commited against those who don't agree with their obscene, antisocial, sociopathic, and/or psychopathic beliefs.

Alas, my video camera requires a firewire connection which I don't have and the cost of all those religious texts is beyond my current financial capabilities.

Nightwng2000

NW2K Software

Nightwng2000 has also updated his MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

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Do you accept donations?

Because seriously if you remove the human waste part or at least replace it with gasoline, that would be a GREAT public protest and I mean a truly great public protest of those who try to enforce or exploit religion.

Honestly if you were to hold that protest I wouldn't hesitate to join you if I could (just make sure everyone knows specfically what you're protesting so they don't interpret it as attempted Bible censorship).

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As German this kind of reminds me of the lets say "not so bright times" within the history of my country... congratulations to Rev. Patrick for picking up that "glorious" tradition half a century later..

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I was going to mention Farenheit 451, but Bradbury intented for the message of "television will destroy books" rather than "facists burn books".

-- If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap...

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Thank you Rev. Patrick, for showing that you are one of those supposed "Christians" that believe that anything not of your version of "God" must be destroyed because you cannot control them. As much as I hate to say this, but YOUR actions are going to put YOU on the path to your hell faster then a Video Game EVER could!

 

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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  So guns they just turn in, but games they burn? What better way to make your church seem reasonable, and welcoming than to burn things your disagree with? History has shown people that burned books to be such great people after all.

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It did say that the guns were destroyed in a foundry, so that counts for something, I suppose.

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"...and have a burning..."

You can almost hear him say "a rootn-tootn', good-ol' fashioned -" under his breath. Could any one phrase be more redneck?

"...just like they had a gun buyback last year..."

Equating a buy-back with 'a burning' (I believe that's the common parlance) is a bit of a leap, if you ask me.

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He is just upset becauses he cant burn crosses in peoples yards anymore.

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Where is this going to be?

 

I would like a bunch of gamers to go there with bibles and burn those evil books in front of the revrand...

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The newspaper is from Newport News, VA.So I assume it's near there.And I just realized, by looking at the map. It's a coastal "bedroom" town, aka people paying 3 times what the house is worth so they can say they have a place on the coast. And probably quite a few folks from D.C. since it's a couple hours away. Yeah they REALLY have a good idea about what to do with something they don't like.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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Only in the wrong hands.

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I agree, but you must admit that there is a stronger case for burning bibles then video games, comic books and rap music...

Burning a source of art or knowledge shouldn't be burned at all but as long as we are burning things we believe cause violence then bibles go before games...

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I've been thinking about that too, but the copy of the Bible I have here has plastic cover, so it would be VERY unhealthy to burn it.

Censorship: The Greatest Crime against Humanity

"Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings."

Religion, politics, morality; these are all well and good. But when they destroy the fundamental values of our society and commit gross crimes against intelligence such as these, they do not deserve the respect they command.

This makes me sick.

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Since when has organized religion NOT committed gross crimes against intelligence?

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First of all, since when have children ever voluntarily burnt anything they owned? I mean, other then the game Indigo Prophecy, that game I could cheerfully burn all day long...

This sounds more like something the parents would make the children do.

I would love to see how he relates this to book burning, though. I mean, does he understand the implications of holding a media bonfire?

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Clarify please Mogbert, do you mean Dennis or the Reverend?

 

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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I hope a rally like this is near me so I can throw an American flag and a couple copies of the bible into said fire.

 

xD

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WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE ESA NOW???


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Agreed, with the ESA's current weakness and such, now is the time for them to prove their worth.

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The ESA is most likely trying to keep more companies from leaving them.

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What should they do about it?

I mean other than go "everyone point at laugh at this wanker!"

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the esa could atleast attempt to netralise the negative effect of this publicity. they could go have a speech nearby, release educational videos, or release a public service announcment.

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I wish i lived nearby, so i could buy a few bibles and throw 'em on the fire.
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1: After the games, they're gonna burn a couple witches, a library or two, and then the "convert or die" campaign can begin.

2: His new name is "Reverand Hitler."

3: They probably stopped burning guns and ammo after their first attempt at such. After setting off an explosion that rocked the state, someone figured out that "Bullets + Fire = b00m". I guess they still haven't figured out that burning half a ton of CDs and CD cases is going to release toxic fumes into the air. Maybe fundies need to read more science texts?

I'd love to show up with a garbage bag full of Bibles, as a nice counter-point, but I can't afford the gas. I drive an SUV, and Newport News is four hours away.

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Don't burn your games, religious people.  Give them to me.  And I'll, um, burn them for you!  Especially GTA4.  For XBox 360.

Also, sorry mogbert but I really enjoyed "Indigo Prophecy".

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If someone believes burning inanimate objects will further his religion, that person has serious mental health problems.  Burning CDs and other optical media will release toxic and carcinogenic gases into the air and poses a serious problem to the younger crowd and anyone downwind.  It's also an environmental hazard.  These are not the plans of a rational person.

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I'm going for the free high dude!

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That was my first though too.  This has all the makings of a mass Darwin Award.  Maybe someone could shut this shindig down by calling the EPA?

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Boy this is an enlightened time we live in. QUICK! Burn the games! Burn the CDs! Burn the internet before it abducts your children and probes them anally! Take money from your own pocket and put it in the pockets of the media you hate! Then watch your investment go up in smoke!

Seriously, I hope they all take deep breaths around the fire.

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Okay, seriously, as stupid as this game burning idea is, some of these comments are ridiculous. Reverend Hitler? Facist? He's staging a voluntary burning excersizing his own right to free speech. Yes, his speech is stupid, but he's not repressing anyone.

I'm not even sure if burning video games is safe or legal, so it may be a moot point to begin with. I think everyone needs to CHILL OUT and remember that one guy throwing a temper tantrum isn't going to lose use the debate.

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Actually one could make a case for child abuse in this case.   He is getting a buch of parents into a hysteria, taking kids toys away from them, and destroying the toys in front of them.

It is not at the level of criminial child abuse but it is still something pretty tramatic to be doing to a kid and this guy is pushing for it.

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They did it with Pokemon cards and Yugioh cards at one backwards place.   Wouldn't surprise me at all if it did happen really.

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I think that was a joke.

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Well people are calling him Reverend Hitler and a fascist because this is similar to book burnings that the nazis performed to "protect" people from the knowledge contained within. Since this is along the same lines (but on a much smaller scale), burning video games and CD's to "protect" the minds of children, I think its a relevant comparison. You also have to remember that the people who read this site are gamers, so obviously its going to piss off people when someone suggests that their hobby is so evil that it should be burned.

I would also imagine that their will be parents who take their kids games and CD's and burn them at this "voluntary" burning. It may be voluntary for the parents, but I doubt many of them will be burning their own CD's and games. In a sense then they are repressing their children I guess, so I think people on here have the right to be pissed off, after all they have the freedom to speak their mind.

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Of course they do, but some of this mind-speaking is just as extreme and ridiculous as the not-so-esteemed reverend. You can't seperate Hitler from the murder of six million Jews or facism from the government. This is neither murder (perhaps child endangerment if those fumes are toxic, but not murder) and has nothing to do with the government.

As far as their children are concerned, parents have a right to control what entertainment kids are exposed to. And as much as we tout that as a defense of not restricting M-Rated games, it's also a two way street: Parents can take away M-Rated games if they don't want their kids to have them.

Yes, it's seriously screwed up, and we do have every right to be angry. But our anger should be tempered by reason. There's no need to bring down Godwin's law on our denouncment of this retard.

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First let me say that I live in Newport News, Virginia and this is by far not one of our finest hours in many ways. Our star quarterback is in jail and now we have an idiot talking about burning video games and cds. It is definitely not a good thing for us to be in the news it seems.

As for being a coastal 'bedroom' town, Newport News has the largest Shipyard in the United States and such great vessels as the USS Enterprise, CVN-65, and all other Nuclear carriers come from there as do at least half of the nuclear submarine fleet. We're also in the middle of an area known as Hampton Roads, which includes Norfolk. We are the largest concentration of Military on the eastern seaboard of the US. People pay more for housing here because it's all military people who don't want to live on base.

The pastor is a complete idiot besides. THe city of Newport News has a clean air act that prohibits burnings of any sort, especially ones where toxics would be released like the ones found in CDs. This guy is off his rocker, and if he manages to find a way to do it I'll probably arrange a counter protest to be right there with him.

Does any one think a sign reading "The Nazis burned books, too!" would be a little much?

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How about "The Nazis burned things they didn't like, too!"

---Oh sure, its fine when a monkey does it. But when I throw barrels at an Italian plumber, they call it a hate crime! - Stephen Colbert

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Is it still considered Godwin's Law if the analogy is apt?

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I think Godwin's Law only applies to Internet discussions

岩「…Ace beats Jack」

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If there are laws against burning something that releases toxic fumes, I would think someone would call the police (and fire department) and watch the police give the Rev. a nice seat in the back of a squad car on his way to the local prison would be poetic justice.  Course, them burning it, and inhaling those toxic fumes while blindly chearing the burning of games would have some irony as well.

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I stand rebuked Mr. Wray. This story reminded me of similar stupidity I had to deal with on the west coast and I jumped in. I apoligise if I have in anyway offended you.

As for the sign, If I can scrape a couple grand for gas, I might be beside you.

 

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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While I am hardly a qualified theological scholar, I think all this "burning" rhetoric that the people who give christianity a bad name seem to spout is a...somewhat creative (in my view) interpretation of Acts 19:19 (I believe, it has been such a long time since I read the bible, being the quasi-agnostic I am now).

That being said though, what the hell does buring them accomplish.  Oh look, you incinerated your scapegoat...now what.  Seems to me that this is the logic they operate under.

10 INPUT "The evil of the world"=E$
20 INPUT "How many of these evil things are there"=N
30 IF N =< 0 THEN GOTO 10
40 PRINT "We must burn every last "E$" to protect the children"
50 INPUT "How many" E$ "were burned"=B
60 N=N-B
70 GOTO 30

It is a never ending series of scapegoating.  If they did the unthinkable (and grossly improbable) and managed to truly incinerate all video games, they'd just find something else  (Comic books, Harry Potter, Dungeons & Dragons, etc.).

(It has been a long time since I did any old apple basic programming, so my code is probably littered with Syntax errors and the like.)

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From what I can recall of BASIC, it looks about right.

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This reflects the complete insanity of that particular congregation.  I'm not going to say its religion in general but Rev. Richard Patrick certainly is representing it in a very poor light.  He is basically glorifying his ignorance of entertainment products.  Perhaps in his eyes he seems to be intelligent and speaking with a voice of reason but in my eyes he just seems to be a fool wearing his ingorance on his sleeve for everyone to see.

Good Job Reverend Dick.  I'm sure there are plenty of potential new members in Newport News that you just alienated.

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Opps. I mean Reverend Richard Patrick*

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books: $5

video games: $60

Letting misinformed protestors spend themselves broke in a pointless protest: priceless

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"We are considering having something similar to a rally where parents and children can bring CDs and video games that they consider are destructive to the mind set of our youth and have a burning"

Erm... can we wear Nazi armbands to the burning?  I'm just curious.

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I think it would be cool if Christian gamers would write letters to protest this rally.

Just an idea.  I did more research on Rev. Richard Patrick and found this.  http://www.virginiapreachers.com/richard_patrick.html

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Its nice to see that ONCE AGAIN, religion is there to keep the ideals of the dark ages alive.  In light of this (and other pet projects of Chrisians), I feel bad for everything I said about Islam being held back by fundamentalists.  At least the Taliban existed in a developing, poor, and otherwise destitute environment.  For a burning like this to take place in a wealthy, supposedly modern country is even worse (there is little excuse).

 

I'll defend the right of Christians to hold book/game burnings, but seriously WTF is wrong with these people?

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Guns are worth a buyback but games aren't?  My local Blockbuster is shelling out forty bucks for used copies of GTA4.  Surely it would be more profitable and efficient to return all the games to a second-hand dealer and then burn down the building.

Also, if they burn the instruction booklets, it really is a book burning!

---
The Mammon Industry

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And Jack Thompson says WE'RE the bookburners of this generation...

---You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

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The Beatles record burnings really made sure they were erased from the public mind...

Thanks to tireless Christian efforts, Harry Potter is but a faded memory and ashes...

I'm so glad they burned all those Batman & Robin comics- Homosexuality is at an all time low...

The coming videogame burnings will surely usher in a new era for Lincoln Logs...

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Don't forget D&D game board burnings. :)

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This makes me glad that the Father at my church plays videogames...his favorite right now being GTA4 strangely enough.

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I'd like to hear one of his sermons.

"So I was killing hookers in Liberty City the other day when I realized that whores, while they are the objects of the devil, are also people can be convered. Today's sermon will be about Mary Magdalin."

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Hey CE, yah thatr pastor is a probably a faggot boy molestor, so fuck him and his burning.

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Oh for fucks sake, this is moronic. As people have said, the toxic fumes are not exactly a good thing and if they're standing around revelling in their phyrric victory, they'll breathe in the toxic fumes, get stupider and start to burn anything different.

Also, I want to advance a conspiracy theory: Mike Godwin is still alive and this seems a bit TOO perfect a catalyst for the application of Godwin's Law...

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Quick someone teach this group the lyrics to the Horst Wessel song. They can sing it while they burn degenerate media.

Major brownie points and a cookie for whoever gets the reference.

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That is the Nazi Anthom and the Nazis burned books that they did not agree with.

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Burning games? Won't Homeland Security raid their party for violating the DMCA?

BUH-DUM-TISH

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crazy catholics...I'm glad my church doesn't do this...heck we get together to play violent video games

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As a Catholic I must correct your statement.

He's the pastor of the "Abyissinia Baptist Church"

We Catholics have plenty of our own problems, we don't need to be borrowing from this guy.

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It's a Baptist church, not a Catholic one. Get your religions straight.

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I don't know why but it really does sound like a Pastor whos just really upset his congregation don't listen to him anymore >.> so? I don't listen to my Church's Priest because the bloody church decided to chuck out our old Priest.

Anyway, I seriously doubt he'd get away with burning CDs... hell you go burn CDs here your likely to get 10 to a month in the county jail, along with a few dozen fines from the county, and EPA...

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"[Violent media] has a tremendous influence on young people and violence. That's basically all they see. Most of them try to emulate what they see, when in reality, the people they see don't even live in those communities. Some of the rappers they see on TV portraying crime don't live in the urban areas — they live in the suburbs somewhere. It's all a facade."

As Alpha 5 said: "Ai yai yai yai yai..."

Nuff said.

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Lol..wouldn't it be easier and more cost efficient to just ban the selling of those selected games and movies, and more passive than this alternative? Honestly, its extremists like this group that make a faith look like crap.

Playing devil's advocate, one might be able to conclude that this group of individuals feel that the only way to combat the rising is by fighting fire with fire(Ironically).
Although, I agree with the majority of you. This is the most ridiculous act I have yet to hear of. I swear people can be quite stupid when they try to rationalize their motives for censoring 'questionable subjects', especially religious sects.

 

 

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He doesn't know where he's talking about. I think he have never see a game, never see a movie and so he doesn't can have a opinion

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bring all the cds to me I will burn them for you. Onto my hard drive

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The burning of any form of media (books, rap, comics, beatles records and yes video games) reeks of fascism. the nazis did it with impunity and yet this church thinks its a good thing to imitate. i wonder how many soldiers who gave their lives during the war are rolling over in their grave because of things like this, what they fought against, being done on american soil.

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"Where they burn books, so too will they in the end burn human beings" - Heinrich Heine

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Where is Pandralisk when you need him? Seriously, this is beyond stupid, we need someone there to count how many idiots actually turn up.
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Pandralisk is NEVER needed.  You know where he is at?  Probably somewhere burning bibles.  These people though do not share Pandralisk's beliefs are his kin in spirit and action.

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Got that right. We need Pandralisk as much as we need a diarrhea.

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Amen, brotha.

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True dat.

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This is obivously gonna backfire if they have to purchase said games and music just to throw them into the bonfire, because I heard some book makers actually make money off those who buy books just to burn then.

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Is it bad that I'm hoping environmentalists will show up at this burning and protest for polluting the air?

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This reminded me of my college days protesting and setting up a table for,"Porn for bibles." We'd hand out Penthouse and hustler to anyone who brought us a bible.

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you sound like a real hardcore fellow, god damn such a deep message in your protest, you sure are loads better then the people you protested against

 

fucking trash

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Oh come on you gotta admit that this was pretty funny.

Oh and this is basically counter protest and I highly doubt he staged a massive public Bible burning proclaiming bibles are the scum of the earth the problem with modern society etc. etc.

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Certainly made me chuckle.

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He heh porn for bibles... It's what free speech is all about, baby! :)

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Which Would Jesus Read?

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As an atheist... sometimes I'm tempted. I wouldn't limit it to the bible, though. Any religious text I could get my hands on. Then I come to my senses, realize that most people aren't CRAZY with religion, and that I'd most likely be killed by some nutjob.
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Like you are hardcore.  You don't even have the balls to give out your name.

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Trash?  There was never ANY mention of burning said bibles.

And why are they trash for making the offer?  Why aren't you throwing spite at those who traded their bibles for porn? 

There is a message in the action or rather in how people like yourself react.  There is no difference in offering porn for a bible or a bible for porn.  Both are simply acts under freedom of speech.

I must say though that either of those acts are much better than burning any sort of media.  When you take action against something by burning the text which it is printed on it shows your ignorance.  Rather than trying to understand something in context you simply dismiss it and try to remove it from the world.  This "protest" is retarded simply on the fact that you're destroying a retail good that the manufacturer makes money off of sales from.

This group needs to learn how to protest THEN try again.

-Loudspeaker
"Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

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damn, have any of these guys ever read fahrenheit 451? How people have their 1st ammendmnt rights taken away by a society just because they are controversial?  they probly didn't because it was "offensive to god" or something

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I'm an atheist but I feel that I should add this.

To anyone who wants to use this as proof that religion is living in the dark ages that it's full of intolerance that it attempts to supress all contradictory ideas or that it's made up entirely of 'moral majority' like pricks remember this:

Some churchs tried using (and might still use) Halo 3 in an attempt to get to kids (or something like that).

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Just like the Nazis did!

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Young people are being influenced by what they see and what they hear. They are being influenced by religion ... religion and religious leaders are telling young people a vision but something that's not reality... I couldn't agree more. Organized religion is just a system designed to produce a predictable population of sheep easily manipulated by religious leaders. SEE: Al-Quida, US Elections of 2004, Catholic-Protestant conflicts in pre-victorian England, Witch Burnings in early US, etc.
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dumbasses! don't they realize that burning plastic is extremely harmful to the environment?

岩「…Ace beats Jack」

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To all you people who bash religion, no.

This church obviously is not thinking its actions through, I doubt the nazi parallels even crossed their minds,  nor the fact that what they are doing is illegal (The bible *Jesus Christ himself* says that you should follow the law, give unto Ceaser what is Ceasers and give unto God what is God's).

Whoever dares claim that this church represents christianity, I will personally pw3n them in Halo3, my gamer tag is Voligne, my image is that of a disembodied eyeball.

If someone can get me this guys email I will gladly (nicely) enlighten him on the flaws of his master plan to cleanse the media.

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I am a catholic, although I am by no means devout.  I realize that there are many good christians who do good things, however, like all religions, some people take it too far and become something that does not have the church's best intrests at heart

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We aren't bashing religion, we are bashing extreme religion.  Big difference there.

Don't tell Greenpeace

So, what are the environmental consequences of burning CDs?

 

Andrew Eisen

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Try asking Algore.

I personally would say it contributes one million billion tone ofCo2,but what do I know?

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toxic fumes, hopefully enough to kill these retards in a display of poetic justice

岩「…Ace beats Jack」

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I haven't found a definitive answer but CDs are mostly plastic and burning plastic can release toxic fumes.  Not to mention the fact that there are burning laws in most states that prohibit the burning of plastics.

 

I don't have time to look up Virginia's state laws on open burnings but I imagine if Rev. Patrick tried buring a big pile of CDs he'd have the Department of Environmental Quality breathing down his neck.  Probably the Department of Forestry too.  I know wildfires have been a concern out there.

 

 

Andrew Eisen

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I don't have time to look up Virginia's state laws on open burnings but I imagine if Rev. Patrick tried buring a big pile of CDs he'd have the Department of Environmental Quality breathing down his neck.

Commonwealth of VirginiaL: State Air Pollution Control Board: Regulations for the Control and Abatement of Air Pollution

http://www.deq.state.va.us/export/sites/default/air/pdf/airregs/440.pdf

No owner or other person shall cause or permit open burning of refuse or use of
special incineration devices except as provided in 9 VAC 5-40-5630

Something like burning a vaste amount of CDs, he'd need it to be approved of and supervised by a fire department, for training purposes. Otherwise he'd be illegally burning hazardous waste.

The wildfires are a concern too, although only from Feb to May, so the "before 4pm burning ban" is no longer in effect.

-- If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap...

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I actually took the trouble to look into my books about plastics to answer exactly what these folks are about to breathe, but unfortunately found nothing specific regarding the degradation of acrylic and polycarbonate, the main components of CDs and DVDs. But I can give you an idea. First, burning organic compounds will always yield carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide and water vapor. Carbon monoxide is, by far, one of the most dangerous toxic fumes, especially because it's so easy to be formed in a incomplete combustion.

Second, we could probably have some formaldehyde and formic acid, also quite toxic (and part of the process of intoxication through methanol, which oxidizes itself inside the body to formaldehyde and then formic acid, which is the final component which causes the big biological havoc like damage to the eye nerve).

Finally, all plastics have additives like antioxidants and pigments (which would be found on the cover of the CDs and DVDs), calling attention especially to possible inorganic pigments, which are based on elements like titanium dioxide (a possible human carcinogen) and heavy metals like cadmium. So, indeed, it would be a real "soup". The reverend is a dick and he doesn't know what the hell he's doing, and I'm only talking about health and enviromental hazard.

After he burns the games (assuming he's not arrested and/or have to deal with possible sickness and casualties), what's he going to do? Burn the gamers, probably.

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Oh, forgot about possible chlorinated additives, which tend to form hydrochloric acid and, if the conditions are right (about 600 ºC, 1100 ºF), form dioxines, the most lethal group of artificial substances known.

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I wish we can burn the stupid people. Keep in mind I do not mean mentally retarded. I mean stupid. (I love how my signature fites nicely with this article)

EDIT: And as some one mentioned somewhere in this article... WHERE THE HELL IS THE ESA?

--- Ignorance is bliss, I guess...

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"I wish we can burn the stupid people."

Quote of the day, quote of the day, lalalala-lalalala, quote of the day.

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Where in the hell is the ECA?

Yet another

Yet another embarassment to the Christian faith.

At least we have real Christians like Randy Pausch that are FINALLY making head way into the mainstream.

Lastly,with this many morons in Christianity,it's no wonder Atheism is on the rise.

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Does anyone else ever wonder if people like this are part of an elaborate reverse-psycholgy atheist propaganda scheme?

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If I were that pastor, I wouldn't do that because something would burn, and it wouldn't be games.

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no this slope isn't at all slippery *falls on face* seriously though, you start with games and music, next movies and books. And when you can count yourselves in the company of the Nazis, it might be time to reconsider what you're saying and doing...

oh what's that? this material is harmful? and you don't want to actually learn how to protect kids against it and then educate parents? Oh well then by all means, torch whatever you want, heaven forbid you have to think for yourself afterall.
/sarcasm off

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I hope they do burn games and CD's. Then I hope they get real close and breathe deep.

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And when they least expect it, the gamers push them in the fire.

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Interesting to see someone in Utah suggesting they burn something because it's not 'socially acceptable' to them.

Not 50 Years ago, the Ku Klux Klan in Utah were murdering and burning this pastors own race because they weren't 'socially acceptable' to them.

It's scary how the wheel turns...

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You should read these comments here from another article on the same site - I fear the good Pastor is merely preaching to a choir of bigots.

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Apologies, I meant Viginia, I got a bit confused between the two articles there.

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"90% of his congregation" has been affected by violent crime? He must have the unluckiest congregation evar, because the statistics I just Googled state that only 0.78% of Newport News' population have been the victim of violent crime in 2006. (murder clocks in at 0.01% by the way).

Maybe it's just me being all level headed and stuff, but my policy is always: "if you have to exaggerate or lie, then you don't have a valid point." But these people always seem to think that as long as they're "Christian" and are lying in the name of a "Godly cause", then that's okay.

I suspect a lot of "Christians" are in for a rude awakening when they show up at judgement day all smug with the "good deeds" they've committed.

 

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Suppose it depends how you look at the passing around of the donation platter. I mean, look at this guy, if they donate, can't the case be made that they were robbed?

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"television and videos are telling young people a vision but something that's not reality"

something that's not reality? like your make-believe deity & stories? I have no problem with religious people, really, but this is an extreme case of The-Bible-Calling-the-Kettle-Black

well, the joke's on them, because burning all that plastic will release fumes. By the end of it, these people probably WILL see Jesus; inhale enough of it, you might even get to meet him

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Thing is, if someone buys a DVD, Game or Movie, probably without reading the lable admittedly, and decides they hate it enough to burn it, it's up to them, their own choice.

When someone encourages other people to also destroy the same things, and makes some kind of public spectacle of the destruction. That is heading down a far darker road.

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Indeed.  Comparisons to F451, the Nazis, and other famous book burnings are unfair.  The problem with book burning is destroying copies of other people's books, especially when those copies are scarce.  That kind of book burning is an attempt to permanently destroy an idea, or deny access to this idea for the local population. 

Destroying your own copies of common media is not the same thing.  This is a symbolic gesture.  At worst, it denies access to their own children -- which could have been achieved by just not buying the content to begin with.  Meanwhile, other members of the community do have access, and when the kids achieve legal majority, they can buy their own copies at the local music and game stores.

This action is ignorant, but not a "book burning" in the classic sense.

 

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Ok, if anyone here is from anywhere near this church, it is your God-given duty to attend their rally with some sort of sound system and blast Der Königgrätzer Marsch (the nazi book burning march from Indiana Jones) as loud as possible.  Just for the lulz.

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LOL The internet made *burning irrelevant many years ago.

 

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BREATHE DEEP!!

 

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The gathering gloom.

E. Zachary Knight
www.editorialgames.com

 

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WE WANT RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS,

but no video games or black music.

 

Thank you,

The Republic of Virginia

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I really like that the Bible quote that the Abyssinia Baptist Church has chosen as their tag line is "...my people are destroyed for the lack of knowledge"

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Heh, wow, jail time because he wants some attention. And yes he is likely to break laws, get environmental agencies on his ass as well as environmental groups, and do more harm to the children of his congregation than playing the video games could

-kurisu7885

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I'd like to know why everyone is giving this guy so much cred.

He's just another whackjob preacher who has the ear of very few people. This is only a rehashed argument from 1991 over NWA and other such rap groups, reformulated into a video game argument for 2008. The good news for everyone who's worried about this is that the religous right already lost this argument to the first amendment, and corporate america is alive and well with the F word and video games where you can bang prostitutes. Thank God.

I believe the general consensus of those Americans who were smart enough to know the difference was that parents should monitor what their kids do, and actually be parents. I'm sure that this isn't happening in rural fuckyoursisterville or wherever this guy lives because mom and dad are respectively blowing their paychecks on pabst and the bingo parlor. I'm not that worried about these individuals and the effect they have on American society. Their words are worthless nonsense.

 

 

PS All statements herein can be directly applied to our current President.

 

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This thread is bewildering.

It seems that 99% of the posters have taken personal offense to this guy's offer to destroy copies his congregation chooses to throw away. They're not going to DESTROY anything. We're talking about media with *millions* of copies in print.

This man says children are exposed to too much violence. How can you argue with this? It's ALL AROUND US. Nobody says it's a good idea to let a 10 year old watch Saving Private Ryan. That's why it's rated R.. and yet, parents, not even negligent parents, are seeing their children exposed to this level of violence simply because it has become so pervasive in our popular culture. This isn't the way it used to be, and if you think about it hard enough, you KNOW this isn't just a "good old days" argument. It's the lowest common denominator of media, pandering to the basest of human instincts. It's intended for an older audience, but it's not working out quite that way.

You could compare this guy to Nazis, KKK members.. yeah. You could. But he's not murdering anybody. He's not even calling for opression. It's a voluntary rejection of modern media. "You don't like it?" he says... "Then throw it out."

By the way, after gun buybacks, the guns are destroyed. That's the point.

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A lot of the reason why it's so idiotic and mockable a desire is that burning polycarbonate plastics produces toxic smoke which may kill or harm people. I'm sure toxic plastic fumes will be less harmful to his congregation's children than violent video games and rap music. The problem with this "voluntary" book burning is that the children most likely are not voluntarily destroying their former possessions and putting themselves and their families and anyone nearby at serious health and, for the people participating in the burning, legal risk.

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Exactly.

The uproar is about the fact they're burning the media to protect the children and in the process creating toxic fumes for those same children to breathe.

Ironic much?

-Loudspeaker
"Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

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People are frightened by religious people burning things. Usually when this happens, shit goes down. It's sort of a gut reaction, regardless of wether or not an actual threat is present. I'd also like to point out that every culture has violenece. For example, in ancient Japanese culture, death was viewed as the only way of obtaining perfection(People were not encouraged to just die, however). It was considered a high honor to die at the hands of a more skilled opponent(at least for samuraii, not sure how it applied to non warriors. I'll look that up later). I will agree that comparing them to Nazi's is a little over the top, and that I don't give a shit if they choose not to approve of violent media( I wish they would at least wear safety masks to avoid inhaling toxic fumes, or find a less dangerous way of voicing their opinions) As for your view that violence is all around us, I have to dissagree. There are dozens and dozens of things without depictions of violence (they still make kid's shows after all). I also dissagree that violent media panders to the most basic of human instincts. Some do, but the best do so much more than that. They convey many emotions and most have a serious reason for the violence to occur. I honestly don't care that much that these people don't like violent media, I really don't. I think they are being reckless with the burning of plastics, but otherwise, I don't care. I will still except modern media and choose to consume it, and as long as that right is not infringed, I'm good to go.

 

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You've got to be kidding me.

"I'm not responcabel fer my comuter's spleling errnors." -- Xlorep DarkHelm

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Burning games... is that political correct? considering all discussions about global warming. (yes i didn't bother to read any more the the head lines)
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This church is protesting against the violence in their community, and chose to do it in high profile way, and one that involves some financial cost to them.  They could have sold the guns and offending bits of media, but instead they destroyed them in protest against the violence.  This seems qualitatively different than the Nazi's enforced book burnings and those in Fahrenheit 451, which I agree would be highly alarming.   (I also agree that burning the stuff is environmentally dodgy, and that studies on the links between video games and violence don't seem to show a strong correlation.)   But do be sure to read the original article and look at it from their community's perspective before judging.

 

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I wonder if this guy has ever considered how many people died in the crusades...

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A lot less than the NAZI's & Communists, both athiests. Funny you had to go back to the year 1000 AD for your example. Some pastor decides to get his congregation to freely of their own free will burn their games and people freak. The communists took all the bibles and burned the Christians. This pastors actions mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. Please have some perspective.

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Guess the source.

"...Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirt of unity and cooperation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life."

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Hitler was Roman Catholic.  Most of the Nazis were Lutheran or Catholic. 

Honestly, life in Stalinist Russia was no different from life in Tsarist Russia (Orthodox Church), and Communist China was no worse in the times of the famines from the failure of Mao's 5-year plan than Imperial China.

If you want to paint "atheists" with a broad brush, I'll paint you death-cultists with a broad brush.  No one ever flew an airplane into a building in the name of No God.  No one ever drowned their children in the name of No God.  Granted, these examples are a bit unfair, as they are extremists, not the average.  However, no one has ever started a war or killed someone for the sake of No God.

Ethics and morality are independent of religion.

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Did anyone bother to read the source?

www.dailypress.com/news/dp-local_10questionspatrick_060jun09,0,2560847.story

Q: Have you been affected personally by the violence?

A: I grew up in this area. I graduated from Ferguson High School, and I used to live on 30th Street and Madison Avenue. I have a more personal contact with this community. My brother -in-law, Larry Patterson, was the last homicide in 2007. Not only has it affected me, but, I would say, 90 percent of the congregation has been affected in some way by violence or crime.

No mention of video games here or, violent entertaiment.  He blames violence and crime. 


Q: Are churches doing enough to help in the area?

A: I would say the church can take the blame for a lot of the problems in the Southeast Community. The Bible tells us as a church if we seek God's face, he would change the community. Until the church does what it's supposed to do, the community won't change. The church needs to be more outward and more outreach, to reach the community. My purpose is not only to pastor this church, but to pastor my community. I think the churches are doing better in helping, but there's always room for improvement. We have to go beyond meetings, and sometimes as churches, we have meetings and come back and have meetings about the meetings. We have to put some action behind our words.

Sounds like he's accepting some culpability for the state of his community rather than placing blame. He mentions burning cds and games in that one blurb, but barely mentions them otherwise in that interview.  If anything, it sounds like the site merely put in the video game angle to get more attention.  Looks like it worked.

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Shit, you're right. He only mentions entertainment twice, and nowhere does he mention burning anything (didn't find that blurb you spoke of, there's the one part at the beggining, but there are no actual quotes from him that I found, he never specifically says "let's burn stuff" or anything like that)...god I feel like a fucking dumbass...sorry everybody...I would like to say that I stand by what I said in my last comment though, minus the burning parts.

 

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"We are considering having something similar to a rally where parents and children can bring CDs and video games that they consider are destructive to the mind set of our youth and have a burning, just like they had a gun buyback last year." - Richard Patrick

That appears to be an actual quote.

 

Andrew Eisen

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Is for people like that I stoped to believe in God...

 

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I love my religion, I'm a believer. But sometimes I wish that these idiots would shut up, actually most of the time I do, they think they're protecting children, but they're just making themselves looks stupid. And they wonder why less people trust the church. *shakes head.*

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wow i mean wow. i am tired of hearing the old seeing violence creates it. no, a severely unbalanced mind does. playing GTA4 will not make me run up to a car in traffic and steal it, nor will it make me try and find all the places i can jump the said car. does that mean if i play madden games i'll become a pro athlete? or i'll drive in NASCAR if i play Gran Turismo. i really think not. if you're into sports you play sports games. violent people will play violent games. it doesn't make them like that. we play games that are violent to fulfil our primary urges. we are violent by nature not much is going to change that. so is all the probems in the middle east caused by violent media. no. quit blaming violent media for bad parenting and mentally unstable people. you can burn whatever you like and it won't change much. books, bras, hell even crosses. ignorance just needs to be ignored, because this has blown up his message has spread all over now. as idiotic as it is. go buy the bible game and burn it with him see how he likes it. it's really sad when people like this guy don't get all the facts and whip people into a frenzy. fanatics plain and simple. what about turning the other cheek? hypocrites.
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I just wanna say one thing: I don't care if kids play violent games. I don't care whatsoever. It's not my place, or my responsibility, to tell people what games to let their kids play. That's for their parents to decide. I obviously don't believe that games will make kids violent( I always thought that it was funny that violence without blood is fine for kids, but if you add blood, oh hell no! They'll imitate that!) I don't believe that games glorify, normalize, or encourage violence. I don't believe that violent media teaches kids to be violent (even if it did, karate, boxing, wrestling, football, and every other thing in the world are guilty of the same thing). I don't believe that videogames desensitize or increase aggression (even if they did, what's so bad about either of those?). I do however believe that shit like this, with the hysteria and the neophobia, is going to do nothing but breed a bunch of misplaced paranoia that does nothing but distract people from the actual causes of most modern violence, such as shitty homelives, poverty, drug addiction, and other horrible shit. Let's focus on that.

 EDIT: That came out as way more than one thing...heheh...sorry...

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I agree, let's focus on the ACTUAL violence. It seems to be a new idea no one has thought of yet.

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That'll take work and thought, not just mindless gestures. Can't have that.

 

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  Just to let everyone know not all christians are stupid like this pastor.  People like this give christians a bad name.

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People burn games.

Games spread noxious fumes to the air.

Greenpeace blames video games for destroying the environment, again...

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Sheez Rev. Richard Patrick use firewood next time.

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What about the EPA? The epa could stop this in a second. burning lexan and aluminum will be a hazard to the environment and all the people in the vicinity.

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Does the Term 'Nazi Book Burning' come to mind here? Burn anything that goes against your ideas to 'protect' the people. Besides What ever happened to Death Metal being the cause of the worlds problems?

I guess 'Meathook Sodomy' just isn't violent enough anymore :P .

Incidentally I am a church going Christian and a Gamer  and I find this Idea to be the most pathetic, ignorant idea ever, please don't listen to people like this guy, he gives us a bad name.

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Okay, first off don't assume Christians are all like this. PLEASE. These people are like the embarrasing cousin to rest of us, they're just a bit iffy.

All they seem to be doing is jumping on the band wagon, and this isn't a good thing. It's what caused the crusades, holocaust, etc. This is a symbol, not that they mean to show this, that they're actually destroying people's freedom. What they're doing here is downright evil, not to mention stupid and badly thought out and not researched at all.

These people, ladies and Gentlemen, aren't followers of god, they're sheep to a bad shepperd, if you'll pardon the annalogy. I wish them good luck and a decent dose of brain cells, which they seem to be lacking in.

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I agree completely! It's long past time to burn books like the Bible that portray incest, rape and murder! And I'm just sure that Hitler must have played video games to turn out the way he did. Please pay no attention to this history books that show he studied to be a Roman Catholic.
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I must admit it is ironic of them to do this when any movie of the bible (the ENTIRE bible, passion doesn't count) would very possibly be banned for graphic and extreme use of violence, sexual acts, etc.

Which may be in all honesty proof that they don't actually read the bible? Who knows.

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Yeah, burn rap music. BUT NOT VIDEO GAMES. kthxbai

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If this comes to pass then Videogames will have truly become the modern day scapegoat of our generation(s). This kind of thing happened with books, movies, and Elvis and now they are all iconic parts of history.

Let the flames of ignorance scorch Videogames into human history! Whooo!

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Kum-ba-ya my Lord, Kum-ba-ya?
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"Let's burn and destroy things! Now THERE'S a good example for our children!"

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So when is the bible burning session? After all if he is going to burn something he thinks is harmful to children, then others should be able to do the same.

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So who wants to show up with fire extinguishers and get some free stuff?

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If they're serious about this, the least they could do is hand them in to a recycling depot so all the paper and plastic can be reused.  Putting plastic on a bonfire is just going to put more crap into the atmosphere.

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First of all let me state that I am a multi-platform gamer and that I am also a preacher.  I have read about 90% of these posts and I am left questioning if you ever even considered what he is doing.  The procedure is poor but his point has merit.  I don't agree with the burning part due entirely to the environment issues, but the entire process is two fold:  1) he is trying to make  clear point that the people that he is involved with do not want to tolerate these kinds of things, it is the same concept of Christians who will not go to r-rated movies or watch r-rated television, who stick to family oriented tv and film (he is a bit misguided but he is allowed his free speech); and 2 the reason for destroying them is because they feel so strongly against them that it would be wrong for them to give them to other people.   The idea is the same for a crack addict.  If I quit smoking crack and I realize that it was wrong for me to smoke it, I am going to destroy what I have left not hand it over to someone else who still smokes crack or is just expermenting and say "have at it".

I'm finished.  Feel free to tear this apart it won't bother me a bit.

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If they want to destroy them, I don't have a problem, their money, their property, if they want to do it publicly, then I begin to get concerned, you should never celebrate destruction, even of things you don't agree with,  People who get vindictive about 'doing the right thing' in their own eyes concern me.

I can understand that they may view the whole 'Video Game' thing as though it were crack, an incorrect analogy, but one they are entitled to have if they so wish, but the Police don't have crack-burning parties (at least, not legally), they destroy the offending item and get on with the next job. It's not the choice to reject this media that worries me, it's the fact the fact they seem to want to celebrate destroying something someone else has created, not because they are 'evil' not because they want to 'harm the children', but because they are creative and imaginative and like their entertainment to be more adult in theme.

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Where did it say that they were destroying them because they were creative and imaginative, I must have missed that part of the article?   I have known a few other churches who have gone down this road and it had nothing to do with the art that was made.  To them it was the same as pornography.  To some it may be art but to them they didn't want it around, they suggested if you have it burn it and get rid of it.  Was that wrong of them, they destroyed someone elses creativity and imagination?  To me I don't see it that way, they want it to be a permanent visual reminder that they will not tolerate these things.  When one of these "burnings" usually take place it is more for the congregation than the public.  It is a chance to watch the things that they consider sinful to go up in smoke to be destroyed permanently (yes I know they could buy more, but the point is that all the things in their household are now removed and they would have to directly go against their beliefs in a calculated manner in order to return to the sin, rather than just opening the box up and viewing it).

To the many others who have totally lost it over this article, chill out.  They aren't going to go the store and by every copy of gt4 they can find and destroy it, they are just getting rid of the things in their own possesion.  This is not a personal assault against the gaming world, it a personall asault on the sin in their lives.  They feel these games are sinful and they are removing them from their homes, now if they start to protest at the stores who cares, let them, if it bothers you ask yourself why.  Deep down, why does it bother you?

And to those of you who suggested bringing bibles to the burning, go ahead, that is between you and God and I'm sure He might bring that up on Judgement day, but either way remember that you can never destroy the eternal Word of God, just an FYI.

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What saddens me about this report is that the pastor seems to have a genuine sense of concern for his pulpit. It's a shame he's so damn ignorant about the subject matter - he'd probably come up with more constructive activities if he knew better.

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Kinda reminds me of the mass book-burnings that took place in Nazi Germany in the mid-1930's. It was ordered by Hitler so the German culture can be "purified"; but we all know he ordered the book burnings because he was a man who feared the intelect and hated intelectuals. I guess this reverand fears the change in our culture...just like our buddy JT.

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Wow, that's freakin awesome. I live in Newport News and to know that someone actually did this well....good grief I'm so ashamed

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I lol'd. So what's the point of burning games and CDs anyway? There's plenty more to buy at the store... Are they gonna go raid the store and burn all the "harmful" games and CDs or what..? XD

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exactly, if they did so the companies can sue the churches or these anit gamer orignizations for robbery or vandalism. 1 its bad press for your church. it says yoru not civilized to handle an issue without the use of violence and 2. it perpetuates the idea that some christians are irrattional.

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Of course, there's nothing violent about taking these objects and Publically Setting Them On Fire. No, no, not at all...

* The World Just Spins Faster Than Me *

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Well first i think this is stupid. i've been playing violent games through out my life and never have i wanted to commit crimes or rip someon's heart out with my bear hands (lol mortal kombat refrance)

i had a feeling this would have started catching on. In my own oppinion the churches attempt to stop these games are Failing missrabley. the only way to keep this Matrue content out of the hands, and ears of our youth is to educate the parents about these games and cds. just go up to a kids mother or father when their at your local game stop when their buying gta 4 for their kids and say "hey you know that games not appropriate for your kid right?" who cares if the kid will declare a Vendetta on you. at least you've kept them from being warpped.

Me being a reading tutor i talk about games with some of my students about games but they know my feelings about kids their age playing M rated games. and they know to never bring it up due to the promise of detention.

Long story short, Don't burn the games, burn the idea of M rated games are not for kids in the minds of parents.

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Is that... safe? Throwing a bunch of plastic CD/video games on a fire, I mean. It seems like organizing an event where people are at such a high risk of inhaling the fumes from  that sort of thing is fairly iresponsible.  Not to mention that the smell would be horrible.

What the Rev. needs to realize is that CDs are not the same as books. Books are made out of paper; out of wood. It's perfectly safe to burn pieces of literature that you don't like. You don't really have to worry about potentially toxic chemicals being released into the air with books. He'd also end up with a bunch of small puddles of plastic melted fast to his church yard.

Exactly how much money does he think he should be spending on this stupidity anyway? Video games are not a cheap rescouce my friend.

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You are right, its probably not safe, very expensive, maybe toxic to the environment, and somewhat hypocritical to one of the 10 commandments.  Also, any religious burning of things is strongly reminiscent to the KKK to me for some reason.

On the contrary, if they are burning bad games (i mean games so horrible that noone would want to play period, such as the E.T. game on the Atari), then I'm not sure where to stand on this...

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Im so glad I'm an atheist

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What a dumbass

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When I was a kid, my town got together to burn comic books because "Seduction of the Innocent" made parents believe that their kids were becoming brainwashed. The more things change, the more things stay the same...

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If they want people to burn things that seem destructive, I'm a going to throw a few bombs in that fire.

See. It's an easy chance for terrorists to put bombs in game cases and throw them in the fire, give them enough time to get out of there and BOOM.

And why don't they just burn bibles if the want to burn things that seem destructive. Maybe we should burn prisioners and books.

 

Really. Besides, burning plastic gives out noxious chemicals. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near there when that happens, besides, not all videogames are destructive, look at paperboy, ooh I'm going to throw newspaper into windows. What happens then? You lose.

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 why there is such a hell about gaming.

 

first all the music was the devil en now games are.

you can't stop the future so don't destroy all the thing you are not formiliour with.

we must let the new things come and have to listen to our selves.

 

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Uhoh. There's one unforeseen side effect... all those cds and etc is made from rather toxic chemical. Burning them will expose people to toxic chemicals.

 

But same time it probably won't affect their brains due to lack of such...

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"Burning books is only one step away from burning people" some one i cant remeber the name of on the nazis burning jewish books.

but i do enjoy the irony of a church saying that violent media is making people more violent and then telling them to BURN THE EVIL!!!

i am finding it hard to not reminded them of the fact that throughout human history religion has been the "sheild with which cowards have hidden from harm by throwing the innocent in to the fires" (that was an origanal qoute of me but i thought it would sound better in that format)

i didnt bother to read all of the comments so this could have already been said

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Are parents really going to burn something they paid 60 bucks for?

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parden me but does anyone even know what part of a video dame is even flamable

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Wow, this amazes me about the stupidity of people. Just to clarify up front I'm a gamer, heavy-metal fan, a gun owner, non-religious, and generally a good person.  This article is so full of crap. I've played so many violent video games that are definitely rated M. I have yet to act out any of these gestures with the exception of messing around with friends and making "gun" hands at each other. Video games don't make people do violent acts, that's what our parents are for, to teach us the difference between right and wrong. Mentally unstable people and parents that don't tell their kids the difference are to blame for people shooting up a school and what not. I'm not a rap fan, but they blamed heavy metal back in the 80s, wtf. The worst lyrics I have heard from 80s metal is probably stuff from Slayer, and honestly, they're just talking about stuff like satanism. Woop-di-fucking-do. They write lyrics that sound good, they're Christian guys for the most part. They don't try to influence people to get out of line and go mess everything up. Honestly I don't know where this guy came from, but he's hit the top of my shit list along with Jack Thomson.

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Wow Im gonna kill this dude.

Go to hell you pastor freak.

This is just a piece of crap. I play violent video games and im just a little teenage girl! You gonna force your religon on me? No. Because I wont fucking let you...you jesus freak.

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re; how the heck you burn games on cds

hooooooow the heck you burn games on cds this must be a lie this must be a joke the thing i got is rated m games about 33 of them

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Sieg Heil, Pastor Patrick. I guess it’s true what they say. Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Some people apparently have very short memories. Remember this saying, Pastor Patrick: This only is denied to God: the power to undo the past. But the power to learn from the mistakes of the past is completely in the hands of man. So let’s do ourselves and god a favor, shall we? Let’s at least not repeat the mistakes of those who came before us. You got to love the blatant self-contradiction in the act of burning material you deem as inciting violence. Respond to violence with more violence. Brilliant work, Pastor Patrick. Nice to know that your bible has taught you so much. Now, go spread the hatred (sarcasm intended).

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Posted 11/07/09 at 10:58am
JDKJ: Which could be explained by both (a) and (b).
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:56am
Austin_Lewis: JDKJ: You forgot C) the fact that, for some reason, every time he did something that would suggest he shouldn't be in the military, let alone an officer, higher ups ignored it or let it slide.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:51am
JDKJ: Part of the problem is, I believe, that (a) the Army had a lot of time and money already invested in him and which they were unwilling to simply write-off and (b) an increasing need for the type of skills and services he provided.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:48am
JDKJ: And that even if he was begging not to get cut loose, he was apparently a real good candidate for being cut loose, anyway.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:11am
JDKJ: @chada: And while Kennedy once noted that there's usually more than enough blame for everyone to get a slice, the possibility that the Army was unwilling to cut loose someone who was asking to get cut loose could be a factor.
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Posted 11/07/09 at 10:05am
JDKJ: I'm no psychologist, but I'm told that crazy people have a tendency to do crazy things.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:03am
chadachada321: Whoops, was out of the convo for awhile. I do wonder what type of ammo he used etc, but the real issue is WHY he did it, not HOW
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:56am
JDKJ: But if it turns out that they actually did, they'll have Hell to pay.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:45am
JDKJ: And I'd tend to rule out the possibilty of FN Herstal supplying restricted ammunition to someone merely because they're ordering it from a military base.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:37am
JDKJ: I know you don't leave your gated community and get around much in dark alleys, so you may be surprised to learn that there's this thing called "the black market" where, if you've got enough money, ain't too much of anything which can't be bought.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:36am
Austin_Lewis: Or, maybe he or someone else at the base ordered the SS190 from FN Herstal.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:32am
Austin_Lewis: the hands of private owners. They run about 300 dollars minimum for a box of 50, and boxes of AP 5.7 are extremely scarce, mainly residing in the hands of Class III stores or individuals who for one reason or another got a demo box of it.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:30am
Austin_Lewis: There are other firearms that fire the 5.7. However, I too would like to know where he got the ammo and what kind was used. Maybe Hasan, planning not to live through this, went out and bought one the boxes of SS190 that are floating around in
Posted 11/07/09 at 08:44am
JDKJ: And it isn't yet clear what type of ammunition Hasan used. It's strange that he purchased a gun but didn't purchase ammunition for it at the same place and time. Especially because the calibre required is peculiar to the actual gun.
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