Swiss Court Refuses to Ban Stranglehold

June 10, 2008 -

The game seems more like a fantasy and not real events...

Saying those words, a Swiss judge declined a politician's request to ban John Woo's Stranglehold.

As reported by SwissInfo.ch, it was the first time that a court in Switzerland had ruled on the sale of violent video games.

As GamePolitics reported in April, Roland Näf, a politician affiliated with the Social Democratic Party, targeted retailer MediaMarkt for selling the game. From SwissInfo's coverage:

Näf claimed that violent games such as Stranglehold violated Article 135 of Switzerland's criminal code. The court rejected that argument... MediaMarkt had limited the sale of the game to customers over the age of 18, although access to the game was widespread among 14 year olds, according to a report in the Neue Zürcher Zeitung newspaper.

 

However, a statement from the Social Democrats indicates that they may be planning to pursue tougher legislation:

Now we know that the federal government must act [to address violent games].

Allan Guggenbühl, a child psychologist at Zurich University, told SwissInfo that the political concerns were exaggerated:

The vast majority of children can actually distinguish between virtual reality and their own lives. For them, it doesn't really have any negative influences. We don't allow children to be fascinated by violence. But the fascination with violence is something which is paramount in our society... [Adults] participate in a ritual where they on a daily basis expose themselves to horrid scenes...

 


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Re: Swiss Court Refuses to Ban Stranglehold

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That's the answer to all of our problems!

Re: Swiss Court Refuses to Ban Stranglehold

Thanks good job;

Btw, I think Atari and Midway will drop out too, but mostly travesti because  these guys have done nothing travesti or little and need to start saving costs. and dizi izle

YES.

Now I don't have to get off my ass for the important shit anymore!

Whats next, ordering pizza from Xbox live?

Wait... I think that sounds like a good idea.

But I think voting should MAKE you get off your ass, and see outside or a second while you go vote. I mean, your picking the president of the United States of America for God's Sake... least you can do is drive down there and punch out a card.

Re: Swiss Court Refuses to Ban Stranglehold

I'm all for freedom of ttnet vitamin speech and allowing rent a car game makers to put whatever they want in games, but there's one thing about this app that has me scratching my head.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but from araç kiralama the previous article araba kiralama on this I gathered that players can use Google maps in-game to find the other (real-life?) dealers in their area.  If this is the case, has travesti anyone considered what's stopping someone from using this app to actually move drugs between hands for reals?

But majority araba kiralama of their outrage araç kiralama stems from what it could DO TO children, not the content itself.  Talk to one of these people and you'll find they don't think any books kiralık araba should be banned from children.  Mention American Psycho and they talk about kiralık araç the redeeming value of using imagination to construct a story.  Reading, no matter what the content, is largely viewed as a consequenceless activity for people of any age.  The reason why I mention American Psycho is because of the content itself.  Gaming never has and likely never will have any scenes where someone has sex with a severed head.  Not gonna happen.  Yet despite this, they'll fight tooth and nail to protect their children from two boys kissing in Bully but whatever they read is harmless... yeah.

The entire arguement is kiralık oto based upon a social normality inflicted by luddites who can't figure out the controls for Halo so it's frightening and terrifying and obviously the cause of youth violence on the rise even though, in reality, it's in decline (which is actually a HUGE suprise given minibüs kiralama the economies status).  In  a perfect world, we would have parents that actually parent.  The idea of sales restrictions on media on oto kiralama any form to accomidate parental unwillingness to get involved with their child's life is the real problem to me.  Here I am, 32 years old, and being held up at a self-scan rent a car needing to show ID before I can buy a $10 M rated game all because Soccer Momthra can't be bothered to look at the crap Billy Genericallystupidson does in his free time.  It's too hard for her, so I have to suffer?

Re: Swiss Court Refuses to Ban Stranglehold

Has Jack Thompson said anything yet?

Re: Swiss Court Refuses to Ban Stranglehold

Nope. Nothing he hasn't already said, in any case.

Re: Swiss Court Refuses to Ban Stranglehold

Why the hell aren't American scientists so smart?

 

-If shit and bricks were candy and tits, we'd all be livin' large.

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: Swiss Court Refuses to Ban Stranglehold

We don't like smart people when they disagree with us, espacially when they are right. The main stream average american thinking is screwy, hypocritcal, and harmful a lot.  The smart people probably have to lay low to avoid any danger.

Re: Swiss Court Refuses to Ban Stranglehold

They say that one of the first lessons learned by smart schoolkids is to never let their classmates find out.

That is, in a sentence, a pretty good appraisal of the system in several countries.

Re: Swiss Court Refuses to Ban Stranglehold

'[Adults] participate in a ritual where they on a daily basis expose themselves to horrid scenes...'

What on earth could he be talking about?

Re: Swiss Court Refuses to Ban Stranglehold

Awesome!

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Re: Swiss Court Refuses to Ban Stranglehold

@ Mogbert


Considering the level of IQ we're talking, I'm not sure the warning would do anything anyway.

 

And why Stranglehold of all games? It's not that gory compared to other games, or that violent. Yes, the entire game is one big killing spree, but like I said, compared to other games, it's not that 'bad'. Why choose it to pick on rather than the typical Gears of War or Grand Theft Auto? At least in Stranglehold you were mercilessly killing criminals in self defense. 

Re: Swiss Court Refuses to Ban Stranglehold

"The vast majority of children can actually distinguish between virtual reality and their own lives. For them, it doesn't really have any negative influences. We don't allow children to be fascinated by violence. But the fascination with violence is something which is paramount in our society... [Adults] participate in a ritual where they on a daily basis expose themselves to horrid scenes..."

Aka they watch TV, maybe even the News. (Is there Faux News in Switzerland?)

 

 

 

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Re: Swiss Court Refuses to Ban Stranglehold

They probably have a media outlet similar to it in some way. Switzerland is one of the most conservative countries in Europe (as opposed to Germany, which conservatively imposes liberalism) so I'd expect they have a newspaper like the UK's Daily Mail or something.

What's weird is that compared to the US, there are almost no conservatives on TV here in Britain.. figures like Glenn Beck or O'Reilly are entirely absent.

Re: Swiss Court Refuses to Ban Stranglehold

Actually the contrary holds true. The law is considerably less rigid, the freedom of speech is paramount (and not only on paper like in the US) and we have a direct democracy. People who live here vote directly on laws and matters of general interest. Furthermore it is legal here to download movies and music and copyprotection can be considered illegal although no judge has yet ruled on that.

The "problem", if you will, is the foreign media who craves to relay political messages from some illustrious politicians that can be well compared to your Mr. Thomson. Although they have influence and followers, they are not the ones who decide anything here. They can only propose laws and regulations but the people decide on them in the end.

Don't get me started on Germany though. Bean counters lo and behold for you have found the land where milk and honey flows. The law is so thick you need a machete to get through and I'm talking "Robert Rodriguez Machete" here.

Re: Swiss Court Refuses to Ban Stranglehold

What I meant by my statement about Germany is that in order to try and maintain the illusion of freedom and liberalism there (specifically with regards to opposing racism) laws are strictly imposed, so we're in agreement there.

But I never knew that Switzerland was so liberal, guess I should stop believing the media :P

Re: Swiss Court Refuses to Ban Stranglehold

Wait... are you telling me that in real life, cops without bulletproof vests don't normally surf down ballisters on a food tray while firing guns in both hands to shoot as many criminals as possible without first identifying yourself as an officer of the law? Say it ain't so!

Anyone who can't tell this was fantasy should also be barred from watching movies or anything considered "reality" TV. Perhaps they should blind themselves to save their sanity. Considering the IQ we are talking about, I figure we just need to remove the warning on bleach bottles that says not to use it on your eyeballs, and let nature take its course.

Re: Swiss Court Refuses to Ban Stranglehold

Democrats the world over love to raise people's children, it would seem.

~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

Re: Swiss Court Refuses to Ban Stranglehold

What I wan't to see is a report calling every proud parents child mentaly handicapped in that they cannot distinguish reality from fantasy, if one came out I would be very offended and probably get into a fist fight with the guy over it.

Re: Swiss Court Refuses to Ban Stranglehold

The only to solve the problems of teens who can't tell a raygun apart from an M16?MORE GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's the answer to all of our problems!

Re: Swiss Court Refuses to Ban Stranglehold

YAY for the allowing of free speech.

Re: Swiss Court Refuses to Ban Stranglehold

"As reported by SwissInfo.ch, it was the first time that a court in Switzerland had ruled on the sale of violent video games."

How about a little precedent here, now?


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Re: Swiss Court Refuses to Ban Stranglehold

"The vast majority of children can actually distinguish between virtual reality and their own lives."

 No Wai!

"Now we know that the federal government must act [to address violent games]."

 We do?2

 
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