Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

June 13, 2008 -

Spiegel Online International speculates as to whether some of the attacks in Grand Theft Auto IV were inspired by al Qaeda tactics:

Islamist forums are abuzz with a new theory: The designers of the video game Grand Theft Auto IV, they say, were inspired by killing methods developed by al-Qaida. But did the idea for the car bombs and suicide attacks in the game really come from Osama bin Laden?

 

For user "Abd al-Wahhab," it is obvious. It isn't just military men all over the world who are studying the murderous methods employed by the terror group al-Qaida. Rather, designers, developers and graphic artists in the video game world, he argues, have realized that "al-Qaida is a killing school."


To support his premise, Abd al-Wahhab posts five YouTube videos. We've included one here, depicting a car bomb, at an airport, detonated by cell phone. Hmmmm.... Catch the rest of the videos with the Spiegel Online story.

Spiegel games writer Christian Stöcker, however, doesn't think much of the theory:

To say that al-Qaida influenced Grand Theft Auto IV is just as absurd as claiming that al-Qaida invented violence... No way. You can carry out a suicide attack in almost every video game that contains bombs and grenades, simply by not running away.

 

 

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Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

Of course we can carry out a suicide attack in almost every video game that contains bombs and grenades, simply by not running away. But I don't like violence on TV and in games.

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

Of course we can carry out a suicide attack in almost every video game that contains bombs and grenades, simply by not running away. But I don't like violence on TV and in games.

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

Of course we can carry out a suicide attack in almost every video game that contains bombs and grenades, simply by not running away. But I don't like violence on TV and in games.

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Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

That title would make a terrific article at The Onion. Which is what I thought you were linking to at first.

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

ROFLMAO! 

That is one of the funniest things I've read in a while.

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Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

The first GTA, long before Al Queda gained their current noteriety, had car bombs.

 

Another example of those who don't know history talking out of their ass.

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

Spiegal should sit down and stop trying to give credit where credit is clearly not due.  The carbombs in the game are inspired by the troubles in N.Ireland, as clearly pointed out NUMEROUS times by Packie in the game.  Not that I endorse it, but there were people doing a better job of blowing stuff up long before AQ showed up on everyones minds.

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

The jail cells blasted open in Afghanistan were done with rockets, not car bombs.

Interestingly, there were these Sicilian super-courthouses meant to try and convict hundreds of Cosa-Nostra defendents at once while keeping all occupants safe in Sicily. The courthouse was specifically built to defend against rocket/RPG attacks.

Did Al-Queda get the ideas from the mobsters?

I wonder what he would think of the rumor that GTA 3 ended with a plane being flown into Donald Love's tower, but was cut for 9/11.

 

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

car bombs have been in GTA since the begining. this is a ridiculos cliam by a morals crusader.

 

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

Seen any good gangster or mob movies?  Some have car bombs.  THe movie Sum of All Fears?  Car bomb.

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

You can lock yourself in a car with Propane bottles, get high on the fumes and screw up entirely, ending up with fatal burns and a black eye from a Scotsman in GTA IV?

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

How many games have the American Revolution in it?  The King of England could have called all those damn, ungrateful, snoobish, peon-type colonists, terrorists (if the concept were around at the time).

Or, how many games are about war, in which you must use some sort of explosive to either ambush or attack the enemy?

The curious thing with games, is, it allows a window in to reality, without getting hurt.  Think of it this way, metaphorically:  How many episodes of Babylon 5, Star Trek, Firefly, Star Wars, Battlestar Galatica, etc, dealt with situations and events, that could be considered in RL?

Radio bombs, are nothing new.  They were using them back in WWII.

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

Didn't you know, Sheridan destroying the Blackstar was inspired by Terrorist plots before they even happened...

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

Not to mention the changeling net incident, the mad-bomber incident, the Centauri bombing of the transport tube etc etc.

Of course, all acts of violence since the beginning of time until the end of it were all inspired by Al Quaeda...

Must say thanks to GP though, everytime I read this guys claims, I get a real belly laugh :)

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

The shadows used terror very effectively too. There were a few terrorist stories in ST:TNG, DS9 & Voyager (Bajoran resistance & the Maquis in particular). As for star wars, there was this whole rebel alliance thing...

Has anyone checked to see if there's a trademark on the term "Car Bomb", maybe al quaeda bought it and this is the first part of filing a trademark infringement.

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

Cue someone saying it's the other way around in three, two, one...

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

It makes me think that spiegal got this idea from searching youtube and connected the titles of "GTA Terrorist" to Al qaeda.

Makes me think that anyone can make a judgement on anything from searching youtube because media is a reflection of what idiots we really are.

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

Exactly, YouTube is like Speakers Corner in London, you could stand up and say anything you wanted there, it used to be a great public forum, it ended up filled with nutcases, hecklers and people trying to sell you doughnuts.

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

fuck al-qaeda, lets send a message by killing people who had no problem with us before. fuck you and the donkey you fuck too. get ready for another crusade. because you fncking people don't deserve your land or your god. come find me mother fucker! i'll beat the shit out of you until you're almost dead, heal you back to normal then beat the shit out of you again until you'll want to fncking die and renounce your religion. american made bitch. fuck your false prophet muhamid and fuck you up your ass. muhamid is gay. muhamid is a rapist. muhamid is a box o rocks, crack rocks. muhamid had sex with elephants. muhamid wasn't real. muhamid is in league with the kwanza bot. muhamid is a cocksucker. muhamid was a girl. muhamid is piece of shit. Jesus kicked muhamids ass in hebrew school.muhamid never existed. God hates muhamid and muslims.muhamid won at the circle jerk.muhamid is a japanese kid playing dance dance.muhamid has a penis in his ass.muhamid DID write a book and its called "if i did it".muhamid is a faggot

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@GP

Could you wipe this guys post and ban him if you get a chance? Qraze its people like you that make Gamers look bad. Cheers GP :)

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

Looking at that post, however, this person only manages to make themselves look bad, it does, at least, prove that the War isn't just on Terror, it's on Ignorance, on both sides of the divide.

???

Huh? What the fuck are you talking about?

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Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

At last, Christian Stöcker reported something meaningful. By the way, he once called both "Motorstorm" and "Burnout Paradise" "porn" - he seems to be kinda funny guy, the only problem is I just don't get his humor, nor his magazine articles. Totally beyond me

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

Even the terrorists have the hilarious idiots in their ranks.

Anyone else gonna sleep a little easier tonight thanks to this?

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

In next weeks epsiode: How Oblivion gave Jesus the idea of walking on water...

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

Al Qaeda was created by the CIA, so I doubt they used that as a model.  Al Qaeda is a boogeyman created by the US government to keep the populace in a state of fear in order to slowly turn thE US into a police state.

9/11 was an inside job.

Do your research people.

www.infowars.com

www.loosechange911.com

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

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Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

Don't bring your conspiracy theories here mike. This is not the place for it.

Yeah right, what a load of... Propaganda.

Come on, one of the early GTA games had a car bomb mission(GTA 1 or 2), and I do know that GTA 3 had one where you rigged some guy's car to explode.

Suicide attacks?  I have been doing such things from the NES game era, and there are lots of games since that you could do such last desperation attacks.  BUT unlike in real life, you might have an extra life and another chance, and the last GTA I've played you usually failed the mission, end up in the hospital, and have your weapons removed.

This stuff is just as absurd as people over here calming that Microsoft Flight Simulator teaches you everything about being a pilot and crashing into things, and same for Counter Strike, Second Life, MMOs...

After the bit with Fallout 3, seems like an easy "PR" way to claim credit for and glorify things that have existed for ages....  Not to mention Hollywood along with all the movies they have released and their special effects. 

What next, them calming credit for Independence Day?

 

Re: Yeah right, what a load of... Propaganda.

Correct. You actually drive an explosive-wired tanker truck into the courtyard of a police station, then run for cover as it explodes, taking out the entire building.

See kids? Al Quaeda ain't got nothing on this.

Re: Yeah right, what a load of... Propaganda.

In GTA3 you had to drive a bomb rigged garbage truck into a fish processign plants that was a frotn for the mob, and in an earlier mission i nthe same game you rigged a car with a bomb as a surprise for a mob member, and in San Andreas you drove a bomb rigged car int oa cocaine plant.

In all three you were taking out illegal activities.

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

I love how people love to throw the Al Qaida label on any type of violence they see. A multitude of other terrorist organizations have used car bombs as a method to attack, nothing new here. Al Qaida sympathizers will use any event and point to it as inspired by Al Qaida in an attempt to show strength and power through inspiration.

This is like watching new MMO's come out now a days and folks claiming that everything was ripped off of WOW, like there were no MMO's before it.

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

Well yes and no.. Most MMO's out these days DO tend to mimick WoW gameplay to the extreme, somehow expecting it's that part of WoW that's given it it's large playerbase.

If that was the case, why aren't EQ2, UO, Lineage 2 and DAoC all megapopular as well? WoW ripped every one of those off bigtime.

As Yahtzee put it: "Enough trial cds to make a cape and matching hat!"

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

Uh... didn't EQ2 and WoW drop are around the same time?

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

I believe the Oklahoma city bomber used a car bomb, and that was before even the first GTA was released.

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Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

Heh. GTA invented the car bomb which invented the Al Queda who invented GTA. Bleh!

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Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

Starting to wonder if Al Queda invented Stupid.  No, even that existed before they were anything of note.. points at jackie thompson or the US govenment.  Those are stiff competition for stupid, but Al Queda (or at least this story) does seem to be running an inside track.

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

Suicide attacks are not even beneficial for making progress in the game. All missions that involve killing require that Niko survives the encounter in order to complete it. The only reason there is to commit suicide attacks is for your own personal enjoyment. And remote explosives have been in fictional stories for a very long time. I must admit though, it is quite fun to call the police and attach a bomb to their car while they look around then blow it as they go to leave. 

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

You can DO that?

 

Holy crap, I've gotta buy this game now.

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

LMAO!!!

This just in!  Al Qaeda invented violence...  More at 11.

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Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

Holy f*ck,they'll do just about anything to diss games.Instead of blasphemising games,why don't you try,say,........................................TRY TO DO SOMETHING USEFUL FOR A CHANGE!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Honest to Christ,if the government spent as much time trying to fix our gas crisis as much as these idiots try to diss games,we'd have nickel a gallon gas prices(Okay,maybe not THAT low,but you get my point!).

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

Actually, i read that as Al Qaeda having an ego trip and being convinced that everything revolves around them.

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

Yes, because Al Qaeda invented carbombs. Oh, wait...

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

Yeah, this is true...and Al Gore invented the Internet...

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

And terrorists like to train on video games and dumb AI is a realistic representation of how people act. By the way, when has Al Qaeda been using car bombs? The only bombs I'm aware of that have been used are IED's

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

Put IED into car trunk, instant car bomb.

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Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

This clearly has proven that Al Qaeda is ripping off the GodFather movies.

Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks?

How is this news?  Terrorists have been inspiring games for years.  There's only so many politically-correct "safe" groups you can use as your villains.  Lemme see:  aliens, nazis, undead, robots, demons and terrorists.  The terrorist thing started picking up after the cold war.  Counterstrike is the first major example I can think of.   I guess what I'm trying to point out is, heck, they're in good company.  Didn't I see an article somewhere about an iranian game that lets you play as a member of the revolutionary guard?  (shrug) It's obviously not the sort of thing I'd download, but hey - whatever lets you sleep at night.

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Re: Did al Qaeda Inspire Some GTA IV Attacks? No.

Car bombs have been in the series since the 1st game. They're 10 years late to this party.
 
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