That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3 "Irrelevant"

June 30, 2008 -

Scott Miller, head of 3D Realms, told Next Generation that he views the upcoming E3 Expo as "irrelevant".

3D Realms, of course, owns perhaps the most vapory vaporware game property of all time, Duke Nukem Forever. Of the long-awaited DNF, Miller commented:

Development is swimming along nicely. Seriously nicely.
 

But E3 show-goers won't be seeing Duke. Miller told Next Gen:

It's just that we view E3 as irrelevant nowadays.  In fact, I wasn't even aware it was coming up.

GP: It's a safe bet that Miller is not a favorite of the video game industry establishment these days. Readers may recall that in 2007 the 3D Realms boss got into a bit of a nasty exchange with ESRB president Patricia Vance.


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Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

If DNF ever comes out (regardles of quality) then, to paraphrase Yahtzee Croshaw, I will remove part of my spine and eat my own ***.

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

 Look, you put out a new Duke whatshisname game and then we will be happy to listen to you run your mouth off. Until then, shut up and get back to the code mines!

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

CyberSkull - Normally I wouldn't be so willing to make the following statement as it is easily perceived as arrogant... but couldn't you turn around your statement if you put yourself in the shoes of the person you are directing the statement towards?  Answer is yes, absolutely. In case you are curious, as I'm sure you are, it may sound something like this:

Look, you put out a game that has success relatively similar to the Duke Nukem franchise ontop of having close to the amount of experience, and then you can legitimately claim Mr. Miller should shut up and get back to the code mines.  Until then... well, I'm sure you see where I am going with this.

I'm simply putting myself in a place where I am attempting to imagine myself in a similar place, receiving said 'advice', from you.  I just think it is a bit odd that you can bring yourself to claim the man shouldn't 'run his mouth off' on topics he has obvious knowledge and wisedom on.(Not to mention the reason you've provided is that he should get to work on a game just said is developing nicely.  Now if you were to simply reflect in your statement that you disagree with his opinions I probably wouldn't have had the urge to reply.  But saying a person shouldn't express their opinions about topics they have a great amount of experience with is more than just a bit laughable.

No one knows where Duke Nukem stands except for those involved with it's development.  I don't really understand how everyone can pretend to understand why or why not it should take a certain amount of time to create a game.  Yes it is fun to joke about how long it is taking but after a while it gets a bit old and you tend to forget about it until someone brings it up.

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

Does anyone really care about Duke Nukem anymore? Seriously, this game is just joke now. When and if it is ever released, which I highly doubt it will, it will be such a horrible let down no matter how good it is. Do younger gen gamers even remember what the hell DN is or was?

I'm obviously missing something here

GP - Are you basing this theory of Miller some how being on bad terms with the ENTIRE games industry off of a completely legit exchange with the ESRB along with his comments that many people agree with in terms of E3?  Is that seriously all?  Ok so Duke Nukem Forever is literally taking forever but that is because it isn't ready.  Would you rather 3D Realms release an unfinished game?

I understand how loyalty works and how important it is but if you blindly follow something you produce bad results and progress dies.  I just see him as questioning the ESRB as to if they are sticking to their general purpose(which is debatable) and the decline on the importance of E3 (also debatable).  I see his comments as actually supporting his loyalty to the industry.  He obviously cares a lot about the well being of the industry else he wouldn't have questioned the intent of the ESRB or the revelance of E3.  And he obviously cares a lot about Duke Nukem Forever because it hasn't been cancelled and it hasn't been released in an unfinished state.

Maybe you know something I don't.  Please enlighten.

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

(Obligatory)

Duke Nukem Forever is irrelivant. E3 isn't.

 

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Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

Ahh DNF, thejoke that keeps on giving. There's a point where its more cost effective to cancel a dead end project than to let it keep going. How the hell are 3d realms still in business anyway, what have they sold that gives them the money to keep operating?

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

Both Scott and George have been saying this for years, it's not anything new.

And in their particular case, they're right. E3 won't offer them anything other than a few months extra delay (Although that's a drop in the ocean at this point) while they get together all the assets and stuff needed for a display. It may not sound like it'd be that stressful, but for a small team it makes a HUGE impact.

And for DNF, everyone already knows about it. I seriously doubt you'd find a member of the gaming public that hadn't heard about. Every time a tiny snippet of information gets released people go a little bit nuts (ShackNews, for example, gets about as many comments on a high-profile new release article compared to a single screenshot of DNF), so E3 won't achieve anything. When they want to show the game off, they'll release a video to the 'net and it'll do all the good an E3 showing would have, just without the time and expense.

As I said, Scott and George have said this before, and each time they've been specifically talking about E3s value to them. People have been asking for E3 showings of DNF almost daily for about 10 years or so now.

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

Those guys should just call it quits on Duke Nukem Forever because there are so many better FPS out there. Halo, Call of Duty, Bioshock, etc.

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

It took unreal almsot 10 years to be made and it was good,better than qauke 2 and almsot as godly as HL 1.

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Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

Did unreal's dev team claim that there game would be released every year for 6 or 7 years?

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

No becuse funding was secured, DNK needs to fan the flames of intrest to show more than fickle backers that the game will sale well.

Its like RS and the thigns they do for GTA....

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Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

E3 is irrelevant? Ironic coming from someone who is irrelevant, whose company is irrelevant and whose game is irrelevant.

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

Uh... just to remind you... E3 does stand for the "Electronic Entertainment Expo", making the line "views the upcoming E3 Expo" as redundant as the line "ATM Machine".

Just a heads-up.

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

I know, it is redundant.

But the term "E3 expo" is in very common usage. Just Google it to see...

BTW: Did you know that the official site for show trailers is www.e3expo.com ?

 

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

It's like when someone says ATM machine, redundant yes but commonly accepted in the language.

I think this whole thing is just a massive cop-out by miller, he doesn't want to present the game and catch flack for it because of all of the delays, so instead he takes an easy shot at E3.

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

"Hmmm... I know what'll shift attention from my complete failure of a game... I'll pick on E3. yeah..."

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

The truely funny and kind of sad thing is DNF doesn't even have to be a bad game to be a complete failure, but people arn't going to put up with a game that has been delayed this long if it isn't incredible. Even if it's just a good game, it will still get roasted because of the delays and because of millers mouth. Honestly I think that chances of that happening are pretty low.

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

AS long as DNF has larger lmore intracutly designed levels than Prey all is good...speakign of whitch prey 2 has started development.

 

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Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

why have all the good game companies gone the way of the amiga (Looking glass, dynamix, etc) while this company still exists?

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

3d realms is too spiteful to die.

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

Even if they do have a playable demo for E3, I doubt they'd want to show it there since they can't let any fans at it.

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

Have you people seen some of the footage from DNF? It looks like Doom 3. I don't think DNF will be worth the wait.

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

At this point, It's going to need to cure cancer while giving me a weekend of quality time with Tera Patrick.

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

I agree, the E3 is pointless since nobody can go to it.

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Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

Correction:  You think it's pointless because you can't go, even though you likely have nothing to do with the industry (aside from your wallet).  It's not a Con, get over it.

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3D Realms is Irrelevant

The last thing they did was act as useless middlemen for the production of Max Payne 2 for the Xbox. In 2003. They have been "working" on a game for over a decade, they have never shown it to anybody, and pretend that they're actually releasing it. They are the LAST people who should call anything "irrelevant".

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

This is a doubled edged statement. He's wrong of course in that E3 coverage by the media is a big deal in the game industry. Major titles can get major exposure. On the other hand, sense E3 stopped letting in the public (unless the closed door police has been revoked without my noticing it) E3 isn't as important to the public as it once was. Going to E3 was the gamer equivalent of the Hajj for a long time, now it's just that thing that you only get to see if you're as cool as the guys over at Penny-Arcade...

 

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I can see both sides, but...

On one hand, I can see why Miller said that.  E3 was gutted years ago and I don't keep track of it anymore either.  For me, the biggest gaming expo is now the Penny Arcade Expo in late August.  Sure it's unofficial, but it's larger and probably the most honest expo out there since it's run by the fans, the consumers.

On the OTHER hand, and the more important hand though, this is a comment coming from a person with minimal credibility who works at a hackjob company that's failed to deliver for over a decade.  It doesn't matter if your claims may be valid; you gotta pay attention to where you stand and at least admit your own faults before you shoot your mouth off.

And one more thing: there's a new Duke Nukem in town anyway.  He is Sam "Serious" Stone, the only thing standing in the way of the invading forces of Mental.

Re: I can see both sides, but...

And when DNF is finally released we'll all be kissing their gold-plated ass's till the pig-cops come home.

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

In defense of the E3: 

No More Heroes Battle Vs. Jeanne... 

No More Heroes > Duke Nukem Forever Late

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Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

Just to be clear, you don't need to defend E3 to me. I very much enjoy the show. This will be my 11th trip to E3, and I've even been to Atlanta for it in 1997, that's how far I go back with the expo.

We're simply reporting Miller's comments and I've tried to depict that it seems like he and the industry aren't on the best of terms.

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

No problem, I like E3 too. I was just trying to be sarcastic with the reference on No More Heroes.

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Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

And nothing of value was lost

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

Duh, I thought this message wasn´t posted due a server error...

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Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

In NASCAR, DNF stands for "Did not Finish."  Coincidence?

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Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

Shouldn't a statement like this have ripped some kind of paradoxical hole in the internet?

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

Hey, this is serious. If anyone knows about being irrelevant, it's the DNF crew.

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Things that have happened since the initial Duke Nukem 3d announcement.

 

Computers & Internet:

  • In 1997, the fastest consumer internet connection was a 33.6 kbps modem. On average, consumer internet connections are 300 times faster today.
  • When Duke Nukem Forever was announced, the fastest processor available to consumers was a 233Mhz Pentium. Since then the clock speed of consumer processors has increased over 16 times (32 times counting dual cores), and the fabrication process has decreased from 250nm to 65nm.
  • In October of 2001, Apple announced the iPod and Slashdot dismissed it as an immediate failure. Since then there have been 5 generations of iPods, as well as the iPod Mini, iPod Shuffle, and iPod Nano with 42 million iPods sold worldwide as of 1/06.
  • Steve Jobs was still running NeXT when Duke Nukem Forever was announced.
  • Every peer to peer file sharing program including Napster was developed.
  • In April of 1997, Google, eBay, and the term "weblog" didn't exist.
  • Linux gained at least 10 times the popularity it had while its kernel tripled in size.
  • Mac OS switched to UNIX and became the most highly regarded general purpose operating system on the market among the computing press.
  • Microsoft released 5 consumer-oriented versions of Windows and might release a Vista service pack or two before Duke Nukem Forever hits shelves.
  • Netscape Navigator 4 was released, Microsoft Internet Explorer destroyed it. Netscape 6 released on an entirely different rendering platform, Netscape dies, Mozilla foundation rises. Open-source Mozilla browsers become popular and force Microsoft to start working on new version of Internet Explorer.
  • Valve releases Steam and sets a new standard in digital software distribution.
  • MySpace has gone from beta to the largest social-networking site in the world (and the fourth most popular English language website).
  • Every GeForce and Radeon graphics card.

Disasters:

  • Two Boeing 767 airplanes crashed in to both World Trade Center towers, killing 2750 and spawning countless conspiracy theories.
  • There have been 125 tropical cyclones. 73 hurricans in the Atlantic, 52 typhoons in the Pacific.
  • There have been over 20 death-toll producing tornado outbreaks in the United States.
  • Over 50 major earthquakes have shaken the world, which have shortened the Earth day by 2.68 microseconds.
  • Hurricane Katrina wiped New Orleans off the map and killed 1,836 in the process.
  • The fourth most powerful earthquake recorded since 1900 triggered a massive tsunami killing over 200,000 people in various countries bordering the Indian Ocean.

Economy:

  • Adjusted for inflation, the average price of gas in the United States has doubled.
  • The Euro was introduced as a new European currency.
  • Enron has filed for bankruptcy and folded. Kenneth Lay and Jeffrey Skilling have been arrested on fraud charges and subsequently indicted and convicted. Ken Lay is now dead and Jeff Skilling is rotting away in prison.
  • Apple's market cap exceeded Dell's.
  • Nintendo became the second largest company in Japan.

Movies that were filmed, released in theatres, and have made it to DVD:

  • All three Star Wars prequels.
  • The entire Lord of the Rings trilogy, with extended editions.
  • Every Pixar movie aside from Toy Story.
  • Three (possibly four) James Bond films.
  • Every movie, animation, and video game from The Matrix series.
  • Every Marvel comics movie released.
  • Each predictable twist ending of every movie by M. Night Shyamalan.
  • In the same vein, the DVD format was finalzed and the DVD forum agreed on the HD-DVD format.

 

Re: Has to be posted again

> In the same vein, the DVD format was finalzed and the DVD forum agreed on the HD-DVD format.

and it died.

Re: Has to be posted again

Sounds like 3D Realms is just jelous because E3 has a set date

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

Of course 3DRealms calls E3 irrelevant. They have no use for it. Why? Because they have nothing to show off at the event. If they had an actual game to announce, they would be whistling a different tune.

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Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

Duke Nukem Forever is more developed than you'd think, to the point that i'ts actually playable:

http://www.crackle.com/c/Jace_Hall/Jace_Hall_Ep_1_DUKE_NUKEM_FOREVER_SNE...

 

But of course, im willing to bet all the previous incarnations were this devloped when they got scrapped and the game got delayed futher, though if Team Fortress 2 is anything to go by, they should delay as much as needed untill the end product does the series justice.

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

Pot calls Kettle "Black." Film at 11.

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

I find it funny that out of all the developers who could've said this, 3D Realms is the one who did.

 

HEY! 3D REALMS! YOU DON'T HAVE TIME FOR SMARMY COMMENTS ANYMORE! KEEP WORKING ON THAT GAME, YOU GUYS! I want to play it before I hit a hundred!

Re: That's Gotta Hurt: Duke Nukem Forever Developer Calls E3

bahahahahah ur so true

 
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