PC Games M.I.A. at E3

July 6, 2008 -

PC gamers should not expect much in the way of news from next week's Electronic Entertainment Expo, according to Dean Takahashi on VentureBeat.

Microsoft's Kevin Unangst, senior global director of Windows gaming, told Takahashi:

As it has morphed, E3 has fundamentally become a console show. We didn’t want to just squeeze out some time at a console show... There have been a lot of trend pieces about how PC gaming is dying when that is absolutely not happening. It’s growing exponentially, thanks to online games, and even faster than the rest of the market.

Said Rahul Sood of HP's high-end VoodooPC game computer line:

E3 used to be the mecca of gaming. I’m skipping it because it’s not what it used to be. Now it’s just an event called E3.

 

 


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Damn.  I was hoping for HL2: Episode 3.

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werent they going to do HL3 after episode 3? that's what im waiting for.

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I feel the pain. I went into a gamestop at the local mall recently, and found that the PC section consisted of a single double sided row of shelfs about 4 feet, by 2 feet. On one side was all the online games (WoW, EQ, Linage, etc) and their subsciption cards, and the other side, a smattering of titles. The rest of the rather large store was dedicated to consoles. What botheres me the most was that 90% of the console titles were cheesy 2 star max games, that you would find in the buget barrel at a best buy.

I was happy that I managed to find what i wanted (A copy of "Sins of a Solar Empire" by Stardock Games), and looking at the PC display I saw so many great games, if you are reading this site you probaly know which ones i'm talking about. I realised that in that small little display in the back of the store, there where more great games then in all the console sections combined.

Sorry for the long post, but this is a touchy subject for me. Cheers all.

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I just had a thought regarding why the E3 became closed door, remember the episode of South Park where Cartman gets his own theme park & runs ads saying that noone can come, generating massive interest? I'm thinking they decided against the ads singing "So much to see at the E3, but you can't come. Especially you Stan & Kyle..."

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Whether the PC is the best or not, FPS' will always be better (game wise and control wise) on the PC.

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This is strange, since the PC is the most versatile and in my opinion the best gaming machine there is. I'm sure there's a lot of Halo fanboys laughing right now.

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It's hardly versatile. Basically, the only thing that the mouse/keyboard setup is necessary for is the more complex controls, like for RTS games. It requires constant upgrading, the community is lousy, and decent (note: not good) PCs are more expensive than a 360, the low-end PS3, or the Wii. Plus you have the problem of immortal games taking market share from the PC gaming companies.

The fanboys have a good reason to laugh.

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PC's do not require constant upgrading, its all a matter of choice. I can build a system that will play most games on medium graphic settings for around $400 and will stay current for 1-2 years. I presonaly spent around $1000 on mine, but thats because I use it for so many things other then just play games and a good chunk of that price is in HD space and RAID, but I am confident that I will be able to play any games release for the next 4-5 years easy on high settings without the need for upgrading.

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actually FPS's play better on the mouse and keyboard too. You don't need constant upgrading. in fact, as long as you update at the same speed as the consoles, youre pretty much covered. The reason pc's are more expensive is because they do more than gaming(ie work). Mods and custom maps are fun too.

but whatever it's your opinion. By the way, what do you mean by "low end ps3"? and by immortal games you mean guys like halo, call of duty, gta?

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Consoles update around every half decade. PC's update every year.

"Low-end PS3" means the $400 model. And no GTA, CoD, and Halo are not "immortal" in the sense that I'm talking about because they're series. Each game may have a long life, but as we've seen with Halo 3, the console gamers move from big hit to big hit, with little thought for the games that came before. One game may stay on top for a while, say a year, but it'll get unseated eventually. Due to the ready access to a mod community, games in the PC sphere are harder to get rid of.

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Ah, I thought you were referring to the fact that big series just keep going. As long as youre pc is in the higher end when you get it, it will be effective for 3-4 years. And since games now are often cross-platform, as long as you can play the games that are on the console it will last you to the next generation. The Immortal games idea also applies to MMO's, i would think. actually MMO, seeing as nobody can overthrow WoW for some reason. I mean come on, you have to get sick of it eventually...

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what do you mean "immortal games"?

 

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Think Counter-Strike.

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Sounds like he means that PCs are naturally backward compatable. Thus people will buy more older games and not as many newer ones. Either that or he is talking about MMOs

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Much like the phoenix, another trade organization will rise from the organization. Only I hope this one will be competent. I am not sure what the ESA's problem is. I really hope that they will get their act together soon.

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Does anyone know or have any info on why the ESA made it a private event?

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I think what we were told was that E3 had gotten too big and unmanagable, which I think was a croc since I don't remember it ever turning sour.

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I own a Xbox and PS2 that were taken in as scrap at a rummage sale and are used only for DDR. My Desktop and not laptop have always been my gaming systems, so I don't understand why PC are not being taken seriously by the industry. Especially since more and more people are moving to PC gaming, to the point that they are making consoles more and more like someones desktop PC. It just does not make sense to exclude PC gaming.

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PC also has the largest share of the gaming market, beating any other console/handheld etc.

You'd think that'd mean something to a bunch of bastards in suits...

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Yes, PC games only make up 14% of Game sales, once we exclude games that are only downloadable like WoW, or released on EA link, or Steam. Not to mention lets not release games for PC until a year later if at all. Its an industry fighting to force people to continue to buy consoles to play the newest games, yet still we make up a large market share, to me that says something about PC gamers.

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Impressive, no?

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awww come on...I was looking forward to seeing some new PC games, now I'm stuck looking for Xbox 360 titles to try out. They really shouldn't let the fact that consoles are overrunning it prevent them from showing off PC gaming at the show. If they keep up that attitude, PC gaming WILL die out.

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when i was a teenager, i always looked forward to reading and hearing about E3, now it's barely even worth mentioning.  personally, i think we need an ESA around mainly so that the industry has a collective voice in politics and media (although ill admit that the ESA has been lacking in that since doug left).

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the ESA will revamp or disband either way thier trade show is pointless ecuse for execs to get togather and rave about thier products with a few caned events and some worms for the press to gain the attention the water loged public.

They need to go back to being consuemr freidnly and run the old E3 and focus on standerizing protection for games that work.

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E3? its dead let it die the ESA will soon follow.

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"E3 used to be the mecca of gaming. I’m skipping it because it’s not what it used to be. Now it’s just an event called E3."

 

Uh...yeah..I had completly forgotton when it was going to be it's that unimportant now..I guess. Are you going Dennis?

 

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No PC games at E3?  Well E3 just became irrelevant to me then.  I mean I have an Xbox, but when the chips are down my computer is my primary gaming machine.  If E3 doesn't want computer games then it's no use to me.

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The whole "E3 is the biggest thing ever...AND YOU'RE NOT INVITED!!!!" system seems bizzare and bad for bussiness. The people you aren't letting in are the cansumers, AKA the people you're trying to sell your work to. Keeping them out just doesn't seem like a wise choice.

-If shit and bricks were candy and tits, we'd all be livin' large. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard Medical School researchers Larry Kutner and Cheryl Olson

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

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That was indeed the ESA's biggest mistake when they "reinvented" the E3 in its current slimmed down form. By making sure only a select handful of people are allowed to come and view what is on show they turned it into a waste of money for those making new games. The public isn't allowed to see what you're working on, so the huge investment needed to actually be at E3 and show your stuff of is no longer worth it.

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I remember when E3 actually meant something, past years are just nintendo, sony and microsoft showing crap off

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Seriously though, that's what trade shows are. Companies "showing crap off".

The ESA has just shot themselves in the foot by trying to dictate who the crap can be shown to. Restricting it to press/invite only, means there's a lot smaller crowd, and so it's not really worth it to spend all that money to go there.

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I agree, I actually wanted to go to E3 some day, but now it's not worth it.

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E3 used to be something i'd look forward to for months. I'd usually try and find the game magazine with the most extensive coverage and purchase it, just to have an overview of what games were on show that year and when they were expected to be released. (i don't live in the US, and back then i didn't exactly have internet acces a lot) As far as gaming goes E3 was really something. And now, after being turned into a closed "industry only" tradeshow rather than the huge event with gaming at its core, its basically dead, lots of big names no longer bother going there, coverage is pretty minimal. At this rate the ESA won't need to worry about the cost of their venue for much longer, because they won't have a show anymore.

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I'm going to go ahead and laugh at the ESA. "Hurf-durf, we have the most popular gaming convention in entire continent, if not the world! This displeases us. We want it to be an industry trade show! Not some... convention!" Except the entire reason the industry even bothered showing up was for the public attention. Now companies are jumping a sinking ship in a manner not dissimilar to rats.

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E3 isn't really even an "event" anymore.

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I blame the ESA - it's chock full to the rafters with absentee landlords and crypto-fascists.

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Eh, I don't really get E3 anymore. It's lost something to me...

 

-If shit and bricks were candy and tits, we'd all be livin' large. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard Medical School researchers Larry Kutner and Cheryl Olson

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: PC Games M.I.A. at E3

I see his point; I've never really thought of E3 as a showcase for PC games, mostly just ones for the consoles, and of course the consoles themselves. But as long as they give Halo Wars a lot of coverage this year that's OK with me.

 

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