Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

July 8, 2008 -

As GamePolitics reported earlier this year, Dark Sector, developed by Digital Extremes and published by D3Publisher, was refused classification by Australian censors over violence concerns.

PALGN is now reporting that edits made to the game have toned down its level of blood and gore enough to earn an MA-15+ rating. From the PALGN story:

The game was originally considered by the OFLC to be too strong for our shores, as a "violent and sometimes gruesome game with a sinister storyline and ominous outcome. The violence and aggression inflicted upon the protagonist is of a high level, naturalistic and not stylised at all."

 

...It appears that this version... features no decapitation...

GP: Thanks to several GamePolitics readers who pointed this news out...


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Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

Don't forget that the ESA represent the member companies and their policies, so if these are sticking point issues with you, travesti blame and fight the companies themselves. travesti i am.

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

I'm all for freedom of ttnet vitamin speech and allowing rent a car game makers to put whatever they want in games, but there's one thing about this app that has me scratching my head.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but from araç kiralama the previous article araba kiralama on this I gathered that players can use Google maps in-game to find the other (real-life?) dealers in their area.  If this is the case, has travesti anyone considered what's stopping someone from using this app to actually move drugs between hands for reals?

But majority araba kiralama of their outrage araç kiralama stems from what it could DO TO children, not the content itself.  Talk to one of these people and you'll find they don't think any books kiralık araba should be banned from children.  Mention American Psycho and they talk about kiralık araç the redeeming value of using imagination to construct a story.  Reading, no matter what the content, is largely viewed as a consequenceless activity for people of any age.  The reason why I mention American Psycho is because of the content itself.  Gaming never has and likely never will have any scenes where someone has sex with a severed head.  Not gonna happen.  Yet despite this, they'll fight tooth and nail to protect their children from two boys kissing in Bully but whatever they read is harmless... yeah.

The entire arguement is kiralık oto based upon a social normality inflicted by luddites who can't figure out the controls for Halo so it's frightening and terrifying and obviously the cause of youth violence on the rise even though, in reality, it's in decline (which is actually a HUGE suprise given minibüs kiralama the economies status).  In  a perfect world, we would have parents that actually parent.  The idea of sales restrictions on media on oto kiralama any form to accomidate parental unwillingness to get involved with their child's life is the real problem to me.  Here I am, 32 years old, and being held up at a self-scan rent a car needing to show ID before I can buy a $10 M rated game all because Soccer Momthra can't be bothered to look at the crap Billy Genericallystupidson does in his free time.  It's too hard for her, so I have to suffer?

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

"violent and sometimes gruesome television series with a sinister storyline and ominous outcome. The violence and aggression inflicted upon the real people is of a high level, naturalistic and not stylised at all"

There, I just described Underworld. It was watcheable on public television, the boxset is in every bloody store, and the wife of one of the guys (who killed heaps of actual living breathing human beings) just did a big photoshoot in a bikini... the only reason I vote is because it's illegal not too

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

...I refuse to be Anonymous

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

Well..mostly...

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

Why? The game sucks badly...

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

1 game down how many to go...

Oh wait they had to censor the model to get it through to Austrailia.

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Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

"The violence and aggression inflicted upon the protagonist is of a high level, naturalistic and not stylised at all."

 Naturalistic violence?  That makes the game sound almost artistic...

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

This is pretty stupid... why do the Australians want children playing this violent game? They might as well legalize heroine while they're at it...

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

I really hope you're not being serious.

I belive that a woman hero (Heroine) is quite welcome in Australia

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/heroine

While the drug Heroin is not.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/heroin

Gold star sticker for the minimal effort though.

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

Very well then. They might as well legalize heroin. My argument still stands.

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

Herion is a mind and body altering substance that has severe physical and mental health ramifications. Video games are entertainment. How are they even comparable?

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Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

Well, let's see. Heroin numbs your mind. So do video games. Heroin causes violence. So do video games. If the Australian government are going to unban something like "Dark Sector", with all its mind-numbing violence, then why not unban heroin, as well? It's freedom!

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

Time for a one word retort:

 

ALCOHOL!

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

The tone of this person sounds very much like "WHODOYOUTHINK?!" doesn't it?

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

I can't reply to everything you people have said individually, but thank you for taking interest in my beliefs :). I'll try to sum up my beliefs here. It's just common sense that video games are harmful. Children sit in front of a flickering screen for hours, decapitating thousands on command. It's not productive, and it's antisocial. Father Time, you mentioned that you have a video game version of Risk on your computer. Why would someone play Risk on a computer when they could go play with friends, or a risk club or something? Not a personal attack, just a question. Also, my comparison between video games and heroin was not meant to mean that they were 100% similar. Just two deadly things that should not be legal.

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

"Why would someone play Risk on a computer"

Well personally my brother isn't always willing to play risk with me but the computer AI is. Oh and the version I have not only has the standard world map but it also has maps not found in the board game that focus on one single continent and split that up into about 40 or 50 different territories and have you conquer just that continent (Europe is one of them). It's also much easier to save the game for later and you don't have to pick it up. I'm reminded of the seinfeld episode where kramer and neuman were in a heated game of risk and kramer had to guard the board so neuman didn't cheat. He ended up taking the board with him on the subway while he went to the impound lot after his car was towed. Anyway I do like to play with friends on the board game but when they're not around the computer game is (I also have clue on the computer which is a game my brother does not like to play but my friends do).

 

But I digress, you think games are harmful to children, I don't, but the thing is it's not only children that play these games there are some games (like this one) that are meant for adults. If you want to keep them out of the hands of children that's fine with me but banning them means everyone including adults can't get to them.

I wouldn't let a little kid see no country for old men but I wouldn't want to keep adults from seeing it.

edit: One more point. The 360 (and most other major consoles) have parental controls on it so that parents can set the thing to not play violent games unless the kid knows the password their parents set beforehand.

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Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

This brings up an excellent point - why are we even discussing children? Where on the box does it say "E" or "Free Candy with Purchase"? I see no unicorns or dolls. Was the teddy bear pre-occupied at another photoshoot? Were the Wiggles out of town?

Not everyone has the benefit of quality parenting - but how bloody thick do you have to be to purchase a game rated M for your little nipper...?

Quite thick is the answer to that retorical question.

Of course the argument comes up "Kids will find a way to get it". How? Purchasing it online with credit that is either a parents or a parent gave to them? From a friend...who's parents bought it for them?

Notice the pattern...it's just common sense...

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

"how bloody thick do you have to be to purchase a game rated M for your little nipper...?"

Depends on how old and how mature the kid is. I haven't met a kid who didn't realise the violence in these games is fake.

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Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

And something I forgot:

"Just two deadly things that should not be legal."

If you are going to make such a bold statement as video games being supposedly "deadly" then you are really going to have to  back it up with some evidence. 

 

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

""It's just common sense that video games are harmful."

 

Bzzzt.  No sorry.  You see things which are "common sense" are backed up by the facts and evidence we previously requested from you.  Its common sense that dropping a hair dryer into the bathtub with someone in it is dangerous.  And you can explain it by noting the amount of voltage such a device can carry, the conductivity of the water, and how much voltage is needed to harm a person.

 

"Its just common sense", is not an acceptable depate tactic without any facts to back it up.

 

"Why would someone play Risk on a computer when they could go play with friends, or a risk club or something?"

Who says he is not playing with a friend?  I have friends that live out of state.  And what precludes someone from being able to play both the board and computer versions of said game?  They are not mutually exclusive.  I know some casino card dealers who also play in online tournaments.  But you can't say they don't play the face to face version.  Or, you know, they wouldn't get paid.

 

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

Nice to see I'm not the only one seeing the online play bit there :)

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

My version of Risk is so old I'd be really surprised if the servers for it still existed. Although my connection has been so screwy recently I'm afraid to try.

So no online play for me.

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Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

I can field this one easily. Lets take Go for example, very mind growing game that. I recently started playing it on computer because there's no one localy I'd really play with. I am still making friends where I've moved and it would be a little rude to just say "hey lets play this!" without finding out if there was any intrest at all first. Also a lot of my friends are very wide spread across the country, and it lets me play games like this and others with them.

From the sound of things your experience with games is highly limited. You seem to think every single one is a murder sim of some sort meant for gory violence. To be frank the only games I can think of that would be like what you're talking about are all rated to not be in the hands of kids anyway. At a cetian point parents need to step in and take heed of the warnings we've put on these products.

As to violent games being 'posion' in your view. I'm a productive member of society holding a respectable job. I generaly am not a very violent person and most people find me agreeable and easy to get along with. However, in highschool I played quake, unreal torunament from there into college, and lots of other violent games including Resident evil 4 and devil may cry in all of it's incarnations. Oddly enough I'm fine. Partly because my parents gave me a very good idea of what was reality and what is fantasy. Seeing dante in devil may cry 1 take a sword through the chest and then slowly stand up through, blood gushing all over and then be fine afterward never seemed like anything but fantasy.

So while I'll agree there might be games that we'd be better off having not made, like say manhunt, I will not agree that they are 'posion' to those who play them. There isn't a direct corrolation and I'd be far more interested to see what else was driving a person towards ill behavior if they hurt someone because of a game. I'd wager the person ether did not have proper instruction from their parents or might have some sort of mental instablity.

Oh also, just a final note. if you wish to take the view that a violent video game is 'posion' in this sense? You should be prepared to lump other media in with it, like say for your decapitation comment, the last samurai and 300 both being semi historical fiction works would fall under your issues. I'd think that most forms of tolkien's work of the hobbit and lord of the rings would also fall under this. So be prepared as to where your stance might take you.

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

I think you overstate the importance of the whole 'screen' thing to be honest. People have an inbred mistrust of the 'goggle-box'. I used to be told that I'd get square eyes if I spent too long in front of a television, was told that Rock'N'Roll would turn me into a thug, and that dancing too close to a member of the opposite sex was akin to sexual harassment.

Yes, I had a strict family.

The important thing here is the whole Fantasy vs Reality. When I was young, I ran around with my arms outstretched pretending to be an X-Wing fighter blowing up Ties, or a WW2 pilot shooting down Zeros, that didn't do any harm, I feel no urge whatsoever to climb into a plane and do strafing runs, my first choice in a stressful situation is not to attempt to decapitate the offensive person with a lightsabre.

There's a thing called the 'Circle of Play' that children form, it is an area where 'reality' is suspended whilst within the circle, and, this is important, only within the Circle. That is how children keep Real seperated from Fantasy, by common consent, not by government intervention. To assume that simply because the media upon which the child is playing is somehow affecting them, purely because of the means of delivery (note we are already drifting away from the 'content' issue, because death has been an integral theme of play since recorded history began, remember all those Nursery Ryhmes? Death.) then a lot more evidence is needed than some brainscans performed in highly controlled conditions and done with the intent of finding fault in Video Games.

It is, after all, common sense that the Sun goes round the Earth, you just have to look at the sky.

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

"Heroin numbs your mind. So do video games."

I'll try to keep that in mind whilst I play the multitude of strategy games I have on my PC (such as video game versions of board games like risk).

The comparison between video games and drugs is fundamentally flawed. Take a handful of heroin now take another random handful of heroin. You can be reasonably certain the effects of both handfuls will be very similar (bad). Now take 2 random video games even violent video gasmes meant for adults. The differences between them can be very significant such as the believability of the story/violence the level of realism and how it presents the violence (completely justified vs. done for fun etc.). Oh and the science saying games cause violence to children is not all there never mind the idea that it causes harm to adults. Finally games can present ideas and messages and tell stories, heroin can't.

Oh and yes the legalization of drugs like heroin and marijuana is a completely different topic with it's own points.

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Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

Cite proof that video games numbs your mind or admit you are wrong.

 

Make your choice.

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

You don't half talk some crap.

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

It has not yet been undeniably proven that video games cause violence. A short term adrenaline burst similar to after riding a rollercoaster or being scared in a haunted house, but not violence

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

TV Rots your brain. Comics rot your brain. Movies rot your brain. Rock and Roll rots your brain.

All this is meaningless with out scientific evidence to back it up. You can say that video games = heroin all you want, but until there is a scientific study that is capable of reproduction and has definitive proof to this link between video games and mind numbing violence, you are just a troll.

E. Zachary Knight
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Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

I'm beginning to think it'd be easier on my keyboard if I just made an "OFLC double standards" rant & used it as my signature. The bullet points are:

-1 south australian dickhead is ruining it for everyone

-M films are worse than M games by a wide margin

-nipples aren't evil despite what the oflc seem to think

-gamers are mostly big people now

-we have perfectly functional laws STOPPING CHILDREN FROM FUCKING WELL GETTING M RATED GAMES MUCH LESS THE PROPOSED R RATED ONES YOU IDIOTIC SOUTH AUSTRALIAN DIPSHIT!

 

See how much less I'd have to type each time one of these stories came up?

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

We should be allowed to have multiple signatures for different occasions. That way, we can choose the one that best fits the article or even cycle through randomly.

Fun stuff.

But as for the story, I think they should have replaced all the blood with pctures of the S Australian AG who is ruining the 18 rating for games. That would make a better statement.

E. Zachary Knight
www.editorialgames.com
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

Hehe I like that idea, the results of a fight could be described as atkinson soaked carnage and the hero could have his shirt covered in atkinsonstains.

 

I know it's bad form to mention appearance in an argument but just look at the bloke: http://www.agd.sa.gov.au/images/photo_minister_atkinson.jpg

I mean BRACES? Geez... he might as well wear a shirt saying "conservative & ashamed of my genitals"

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

So, because he prefers suspenders to a belt, you know everything about his political beliefs? You must be psychic.

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

So, point out the part of the post where he pointed out the political beliefs, or at least read the post before replying to it.

Do you know what tells us this blokes political beliefs. Well, that'd be his statement of his political beliefs, at least, you know, I would have thought so, wouldn't you?

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

The part where he says clothing indicates what political beliefs he has? "I mean BRACES? Geez... he might as well wear a shirt saying 'conservative & ashamed of my genitals'" That part.

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

That's called sarcasm, the post also stated that he knew that what he was doing was bad form, and therefore wasn't meant to be taken seriously. I'm inclined to agree that braces tell us nothing, however, I think you'll find that so was the original poster.

Re: Dark Sector Gets Un-banned in Australia

The irony - at least to my mind, is that dark sector wasn't even that good. Frankly, it kind of sucked.  Oh well, I guess australians will get the chance to find that out for themselves.

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