Feds Pursuing Guilty Pleas in Last Summer's Controversial Mod Chip Raids

July 8, 2008 -

August 1, 2007 is a date that 32 American families are not likely to forget.

On that Wednesday, more than 100 federal agents from the U.S. Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) service, a division of the Department of Homeland Security, executed search warrants on 32 homes in 16 states. The ICE agents, who were seeking mod chips for console systems, were acting in concert with employees of the Entertainment Software Association (ESA), the trade association operated by US video game publishers.

Among the feds and the ESA, the raids were code-named "Operation Tangled Web." The mod chip investigation began in the ICE field office in Cleveland and the case continues to be coordinated by the U.S. Attorney's office there. The raids generated a fair amount of publicity as well as criticism from some quarters.

In the more than 11 months since Operation Tangled Web, GamePolitics has been attempting to find out what happened to the 32 mod chip suspects who were targeted in the raid. In that time the feds have made no announcements concerning arrests or indictments. Although we've been in contact with ICE several times we have received no information so far.

Our search of publicly-accessible federal court records has turned up only one of the 32 search warrants. That's an indication that the others are still sealed. And in the one we did manage to locate, the probable cause section is not available, so we don't know the basis for the investigation, what the agents uncovered, etc.

But an April 7th website post may yield some clues as to the investigation's status. The author reveals that he received a target letter from the Department of Justice in relation to the raid on his home. The DOJ letter, as described by the author, seems to encourage a quick guilty plea in lieu of a full-blown indictment and federal court trial :

A few days ago I received a letter from the Department of Justice. The letter stated that I was the target of an investigation by Homeland Security (Immigration and Customs Enforcement). In the letter, they inform me, that the potential violations are:

 

1. Title 17 US Code, Section 1201 (in connection with the sale and installation of modification chips)
2. Title 18 US Code, Section 545 (relating to the importation or smuggling of modification chips)
3. Title 18 US Code, Section 1956 (money laundering)

 

The letter goes on to say that if I want to resolve the matter before I am indicted, they suggest I obtain a defense counsel. It also states that defense counsel will be in a much better position to explain the advantages of a one count felony plea. The letter goes on to say that a plea would present significant sentencing concessions on the part of the government, over the sentence that I would get, should I let the indictment process (and subsequent multiple felony convictions) proceed.

GamePolitics has learned that at least one other individual has also received such a letter. It would seem likely that many, if not all, of the 32 suspected mod chippers will be offered quick plea bargains in this fashion. Perhaps ICE and the ESA are waiting for the upcoming anniversary to make an announcement.

On the fallsinc website, the author goes on to say:

I honestly do not believe that I have violated any law, and as such, I feel I should not be charged with any crime, nor should I have my property confiscated. The actions of big business lobbyists is very apparent in this action, and destroying the lives and livelihoods of 32 people just to satisfy “The Big Three” is not a move that I see in the best interests of the people.

 

At this point I need all the help I can get. If you are a video gaming or linux enthusiast, or just a user who enjoys the ability to get more out of legally purchased hardware, I need you at my side...

A copy of an Operation Tangled Web search warrant obtained by GamePolitics from publicly-accessible federal court records shows that 10 WiiKey modchips and one Xeno modchip were among items seized from an Ohio residence believed to be that of the author of the fallsinc website. 

Mod chips are illegal in the United States under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). They are not illegal, however, in some other countries, including Australia and Canada. Last month, a court in the UK dismissed a case against a British mod chipper, ruling that mod chips do not violate copyright under English law.

ESA CEO Michael Gallagher is quoted on Operation Tangled Web in the organization's 2007 year-end piracy report:

As an industry, we protect our intellectual property, encourage our government to crack down on those who break the law, and urge other governments to take similar action against video game pirates. Yearly worldwide game piracy costs total over $3 billion and it impinges on businesses and employees who create, develop, and distribute innovative products.

 

The ESA will work with federal law enforcement to ensure that those engaged in the illegal trade of circumvention devices are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

 


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So it seems to me that, in the interests of fighting piracy, the ESA is putting the revolver to it's own head in the long term.

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YES.

Now I don't have to get off my ass for the important shit anymore!

Whats next, ordering pizza from Xbox live?

Wait... I think that sounds like a good idea.

But I think voting should MAKE you get off your ass, and see outside or a second while you go vote. I mean, your picking the president of the United States of America for God's Sake... least you can do is drive down there and punch out a card.

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But majority araba kiralama of their outrage araç kiralama stems from what it could DO TO children, not the content itself.  Talk to one of these people and you'll find they don't think any books kiralık araba should be banned from children.  Mention American Psycho and they talk about kiralık araç the redeeming value of using imagination to construct a story.  Reading, no matter what the content, is largely viewed as a consequenceless activity for people of any age.  The reason why I mention American Psycho is because of the content itself.  Gaming never has and likely never will have any scenes where someone has sex with a severed head.  Not gonna happen.  Yet despite this, they'll fight tooth and nail to protect their children from two boys kissing in Bully but whatever they read is harmless... yeah.

The entire arguement is kiralık oto based upon a social normality inflicted by luddites who can't figure out the controls for Halo so it's frightening and terrifying and obviously the cause of youth violence on the rise even though, in reality, it's in decline (which is actually a HUGE suprise given minibüs kiralama the economies status).  In  a perfect world, we would have parents that actually parent.  The idea of sales restrictions on media on oto kiralama any form to accomidate parental unwillingness to get involved with their child's life is the real problem to me.  Here I am, 32 years old, and being held up at a self-scan rent a car needing to show ID before I can buy a $10 M rated game all because Soccer Momthra can't be bothered to look at the crap Billy Genericallystupidson does in his free time.  It's too hard for her, so I have to suffer?

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I chipped my (otherwise useless) xbox last summer so that I could toss in a new disk and XBMC. It's the single best DIY project i've ever undertaken, and has turned my useless xbox into something I can show off (and use) at parties. I've never once played a burned game on it, though I understand that it has that ability. These folks at the ESA are idiots.

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See, your situation is exactly why these laws suck so hard.  In pre-DMCA days, you would have the potential to break the law, yet you choose not to.

The DMCA is basically punishing the potential to commit a crime, not a crime in itself.

It's the same thing as arresting people obeying the speed limit in a school zone because their car has the potential to exceed the speed limit.  It's just not right.

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In the UK your can get a region-free DVD player for £20 off Amazon and mod chips are legal. At least this country has sane laws on *some* issues.

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you can get regoin free players here to its jsut the boot discs that circumvent protects are illict and modchips are illegal in the UK still, in the past 2-3 years both teh US and UK have been bending over backwards for the poor corperations that have them by the balls.....

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OK, I don't have a mod chip, I have no use for one, I'd probably just forget about it. However, it's ridiculous bullshit like this that makes me want to buy one, then pirate several thousand songs and movies.

Now, because of this statement I expect either some new spyware to be found on my computer checking for piracy, or maybe a full on raid of my house.

 

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I am confused. I have recently started modifying my consoles to play japanese imports, so the legality of mod chips is of  particular interest to me. I researched the laws the mod chips are supposedly breaking and have made a discovery.

Title 17 US Code, Section 1201

(A) No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title. The prohibition contained in the preceding sentence shall take effect at the end of the 2-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this chapter.

(B) The prohibition contained in subparagraph (A) shall not apply to persons who are users of a copyrighted work which is in a particular class of works, if such persons are, or are likely to be in the succeeding 3-year period, adversely affected by virtue of such prohibition in their ability to make noninfringing uses of that particular class of works under this title, as determined under subparagraph (C).

(C) During the 2-year period described in subparagraph (A), and during each succeeding 3-year period, the Librarian of Congress, upon the recommendation of the Register of Copyrights, who shall consult with the Assistant Secretary for Communications and Information of the Department of Commerce and report and comment on his or her views in making such recommendation, shall make the determination in a rulemaking proceeding for purposes of subparagraph (B) of whether persons who are users of a copyrighted work are, or are likely to be in the succeeding 3-year period, adversely affected by the prohibition under subparagraph (A) in their ability to make noninfringing uses under this title of a particular class of copyrighted works. In conducting such rulemaking, the Librarian shall examine—
(i) the availability for use of copyrighted works;
(ii) the availability for use of works for nonprofit archival, preservation, and educational purposes;
(iii) the impact that the prohibition on the circumvention of technological measures applied to copyrighted works has on criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research;
(iv) the effect of circumvention of technological measures on the market for or value of copyrighted works; and
(v) such other factors as the Librarian considers appropriate.
 

I am trying to figure out subparagraph B/C. If the register of copyright talks with the assistant secretary for... and they decide that a copyright system is going to mess with people who want to use mod chips for legitimate reason, they can go to the librarian of congress and ask him to rule that it does. That 's what it sounds like. So, for a mod chip to be legal, nintendo would have to jump through a whole bunch of hoops and request that it be legal? So, Even though the mod chip users weren't doing anything wrong, they are in trouble unless the copyright holder says they aren't and talks with a few other people. Is that what it means? I am sorry for the walls of legal text, I just want to get this figured out.

Source: http://www4.law.cornell.edu

 

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The DMCA is the worst technology law ever written.  According the DMCA, you do not own any electronics, you are just purchasing a license to use them as the owners of the companies that made them see fit.  This agreement is in the form of an EULA.

You know, that "contract" they make you agree to after you've already forked over your money and thus all your bargaining power.

And stores won't accept opened electronics.

Basically, we're boned.

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They're pushing for the guilty pleas so they don't have to make their case in court. With a major operation like this, if they get a situation where they lose the case and it becomes precident, then all the work they did was useless and they just made a very expensive mistake. This has some very negative reprecussions for anyone not able to weasel out of the responsibility. If they get the guilty plea, then they can use it as leverage against anyone else.

There was a similar incident with the FBI sending out National Security letters where organizations and people wer getting told they were violation certain security laws and that they should just plead guilty. When they wound up losing cases, there was a massive exodus away from the whole mess. That's what they are shooting for now.

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MIKE GALLAGHER:The ESA will work with federal law enforcement to ensure that those engaged in innocent activities are fucked to the fullest extent of the law.

Fucker.

 

-If shit and bricks were candy and tits, we'd all be livin' large. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard Medical School researchers Larry Kutner and Cheryl Olson

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: Feds Pursuing Guilty Pleas in Last Summer's Controversial

What really annoys me is that they are happy to go after the 'little guy', but when the PTC admits to downloading an illegal, unedited copy of Manhunt 2.... Nothing...Nada...Zip.

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should we tell the feds that?

岩「…Ace beats Jack」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Feds Pursuing Guilty Pleas in Last Summer's Controversial

As mentioned in the article. Mod chips are perfectally legal in Australia. With the exception of piracy it is legal to do every other thing you can do with mod chips (i.e. turn it into a Linux box), the ability to make a backup of your own personal purchaced games/DVD/music last time I checked is actually protected.

I have not heard a case of hacking hardware deliberatally bricking hardware here, or updates bricking hacked hardware but if Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo do that, they are the ones that could be prosecuted here, not the modders.

I find it sad that in the 'land of the free' somebody can get charged with a felony for an action that the other side could get charged for if they try to prevent the same action here.

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I wonder if this is why so many companies have been leaving the ESA?

You do NOT want your name on THIS shit.

The backlash is yours!

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It does seem to be a standard tactic, charging someone with three crimes, only one of which they're really guilty of (by the law, at least), but scaring them enough to plead guilty to that one as long as the others go away.

Kinda like telling a kid who stole a biscuit that someone ate the entire packet, was it you?!

Reply: No, no, I just had one.

And it works, annoyingly enough.

Re: Feds Pursuing Guilty Pleas in Last Summer's Controversial

Ok, put yourself in one of these defendant's shoes.

 

They raided your home. Likely very early in the morning. You're still asleep in your boxers when your door is kicked in. They roust you and your SO/Spouse out of bed, with guns drawn, and throw you on the floor, cuffing you. Then they ravage through your belongings. And don't think they're neat about it. Stuff if tossed everywhere. Your entire house is trashed. Bad. Did I mention that you now have no food in the house, because its all been ripped through and is scattered all over the floors and counter tops? And then they start taking stuff out in boxes. Anything they think could possibly be evidence. Even the videotape of your wedding could possibly be evidence. The videotape of you and your lady making a fake music video back in the 80's. The CD of your family reunion. They tell you that you'll very soon be charged with charges that can send you away for 20+ years. Oh, and the door they kicked in? You can submit a claim to the city to get it replaced. That will take about a year.

 

Then, a few weeks later, after things have calmed down, you get a letter saying if you plead to one charge, this will all go away, and you can go back to your nice, quiet life. After all, they really don't want you to go to jail. You can pay a small fine, and then its all over.

 

Don't think this could happen? Well, I can absolutely tell you it has, and does, happen every day. The first part happened to me. Why, you ask? What did I do wrong?

 

I forgot to format an old hard drive before I got rid of it. I dumped a bunch of old computer parts out for spring cleanup. Didn't know there was an operational hard drive in the box. Someone picked them up within a few minutes of being put out on the curb. The hard drive wound up in somebody's hands.

 

Someone involved in kiddie porn.

 

This happened to me in January. Took me three months to get my property back. The door I replaced myself. The city hasn't paid me for it yet.

 

In today's society, you are guilty until proven innocent. I was shoved around, and my disabled wife was dragged out of bed and slammed to the floor when she couldn't move fast enough for them. Thankfully, her nightmares have stopped, but she's still seeing a therapist because of it.

 

And I committed no crime whatsoever.

 

Welcome to America, comrade. Papers, please?

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Something similar happened to me last year. I lived with my sister for about a year in a house right outside New Orleans. The house was a double, My sister and I were living in the front half and they had two guys living behind us. One morning when my sister was at work. I'm sleeping when I hear a loud banging coming from the door. I get up and I start yelling at whoever is banging on the door that I was gonna be right there. Next thing I know the door flies open and I'm told to get down on the floor. I didn't know what the hell was going on and I was on the floor face down with a cop pointing a rifle at me telling me to stay down while the other cops search the house. They questioned me about the owners of the truck outside. I tell them it belongs to the guys in the back and then after the arrest I was free to get up and get dressed (since i was in my boxers). They told me they were watching the other guys because they were suspects in a drug ring they have been investigating. On top of that with everything happening so fast it threw me into an asthma attack, making things alot worse.

 

My experience sucked, but it wasn't as bad as yours. I'm sorry you and your wife had to go through such a thing. It makes me question how much investigation they actually do before raiding peoples houses or making arrest.

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I doubt your case happens every day as you claim (on second thought considering how many people live in the US I guess it may happen every day but I doubt it's always unjustified). But as someone said enough bad press and you may get a nice out of court settlement. In the supposed land of the frivolous lawsuit you may succeed.

---------------------------------------------------- Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

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No lawyer will touch it. They had a warrant. And in the post 9/11 world, that is more than enough.

 

Expecially when the guy who really was guilty was running a kiddie porn server. As in 40+ GIGS of it. Yes, I said GIGS.

 

They put him away forever.

 

The one good thing is that I got letters from the city police, state police, and the FBI saying that I was not a suspect in any crime, and thanking me for my co-operation.

 

Fat lot of good that does. Gonna pay my poor wife's therapy bills?

Re: Feds Pursuing Guilty Pleas in Last Summer's Controversial

if they wanted your cooperation, they could have served the search warrant on you in a more civilized fashion. By you know, knocking... politely presenting the warrant, and asking you to kindly step aside while they search. Yes at that point you could call an attorney (and as a rule SHOULD even if innocent, get an attorney, the "only the guilty need an attorney" propoganda is BULLSHIT. Cops ask you questions, refuse to do so until you have counsel, even if they are asking you, "Hey! What time is it?"), but yeah save the residential raid searches for armed suspects. Corporate offices, that's a different story...

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thats why you need a lawyer wiling to work for that 30% payday, a showing of tharepy bills and vroken preoperty should be enough to get you into court but finding a lawyer that will give a damn is hard.

 

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Father Time
What else can a no one dose, if the system squashes you admits to a mistake but dose not redress damages done perhaps its time to sue and sue justly, the system is broken because it dose not treat people as "respectfully accused", frankly if a bunch of ya hos came to my door with no warrant I would ask them to leave on the end of a shotgun(half hardly I say that, I would require a shotgun and steely pair :P) without due process there is only anarchy, when the system  harms the innocent the innocent must be compensated fully.

its sad to sue the system agisnt itself but if you can do so to find peace so be it things will either improve or get worse.

Even the crap that happen to my family was off the beaten path HUD didn't care the city didn't care the insurance company took our money and ran like a good lil corporation should suing is a apropertie action altho who to sue and the money to take years to figure it out can do more harm than getting over ti and moving on, do what you can teh rest will follow by fates hand.

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Shit dude, any way you could take legal action or make them pay for your wife's therapy bills(I'm going to assume no)? Anyway though, fuck the ESA and their tyrannic bullshit

 

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Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

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No way at all. They had a lawful search warrant signed by a judge. We checked.

 

Oh, and this "hand you a copy of the warrant"? No way in hell. I specifically asked for it, and they said no. I got a copy a few days later through my lawyer.

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You should see if any laywers are intrestd in in sueing the goverment over due prosess and a few other things, nightmares make for milloins in front of jury the bad press by a skilled laywer should get you a nice out of court settlement , but you will need a lawyer who will work for a % of the pay off, soemtiems its easier to give up and forget soemtiems its not, good luck with life friend.

 

Dealing with a city my self in life is fcking nutters, so city and hud build us house then the builder fcks up a few things but no one knows ah the good old boy system so 6 months into the new house with 1 wheelchair bound person(dad) and my mom who walked slow the sewer backs up flooded us out, insurance laughed at us the city workers said it was theirs but the city never would deal with us we spent 3 grand our lifes saving to pay a lawyer things went down the drain after that, so we were stuck in grandamws house until about 5-7 years after the sewer and a 4 or so after losing the house because we could nor repair it or getting it refinanced, grandmothers house was condemned we were moved to public housing after a couple months and then mom died of canser and dad died 9 motnhs alter the same time Richard pyror died...oh life....you suck......oh well....at least I am crazy ^^

 

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I did.

 

Because they had a warrant, no lawyer around here will touch it. I tried. Believe me, I tried. For weeks.

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Rather surprised none made any comment on the charges.

1. Title 17 US Code, Section 1201 (in connection with the sale and installation of modification chips)
2. Title 18 US Code, Section 545 (relating to the importation or smuggling of modification chips)
3. Title 18 US Code, Section 1956 (money laundering)

1 sadly cannot be argued.  If you had the chip installed and they found it.  Well sorry but that is a given (but see the arguement against point 2.)

2 on the other hand is misleading at best.   Did the person with the mod code import said chip or buy it from someone else?   Did they smuggle into the country?  Did they even know it was imported?  Would really love to see this proven in a court.

3 is flat out bull.   Money Laundering?  Where in the name of the gods did they come up with that?  The user/owner bought the chip and that was part of some huge conspiracy to launder money and maybe oust the big 3?

Why not make another Section (say 666) "relating to the stupidity of those that are willing to put up with the antics of the DMCA"?  Naw in hindsight I doubt they could convict many gamers on that.  Those "charges" are a scare tactic at best and more akin to bad theater.  

I am hoping there will at least some that will fight the charges as this seems like a thing that the ESA does not want.   I strongly encourage shining a bright light on this and bringing it to the attention of the public and the courts.   Back room politics tends to prefer to remain in the back ground. 

Oh and Zippy be a fuzzy brained mew =^.^=

 

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Criminalizing your populace.  Yeah, that's a good tactic.  Because it worked so well for the RIAA.

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I am completly confused as to the legality of this.  I purcased the flip-top mod for my PS2 so I could make a custom GH2, which I legaly own.  Should I be punished for this even though I didnt steal anything? 

Please dont tell me that the Gaming industry is following the same BS path of the RIAA.

Re: Feds Pursuing Guilty Pleas in Last Summer's Controversial

the flip top in itelf is nota issue its the swap magic that is,even the cubes action reply that lets you play imports is illict under the DMCA, this is why we must fight the DMCA with everythign we got.

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I'm thinking of starting up an online mod-chip sales store. Seems like there is a decent amount of cash to be made. I also live in Canada.

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"The ESA will work with federal law enforcement to ensure that those engaged in the illegal trade of circumvention devices are persecuted to the fullest extent of the law."

there, i fixed that typo. :D

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You know, I think we're looking at this the wrong way.  The DHS and ICE went after the mod chips based purely on the instinct of self-preservation.  If you were ordered to defeat terrorism, would you choose to attack the 'terrorists' living in their mom's basement playing imported games, or attack the terrorists with guns and bombs?

It's the same reason that Jack-Jack goes after the video game industry rather than the NRA.

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ZOMG!!! theyz is coming to get me, I haz a xeno chip, somewhere got i for 20$ put it away and forgot about it lulz, fair use trumps the illicit DMCA any day.

Until the industry figures out right of return protects the consumer from bad media I will boycott the system with ever fiber of my being!
Unless they manage to make a game I really like,until then I plan to preview althe sued games I buy, nothing new worth getting and by the time I want to try it is out nice and used, can't wait for the the day they make used stuff illegal because the CP owners don't get a dime from it!.

 

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Re: Feds Pursuing Guilty Pleas in Last Summer's Controversial

Didn't they already try making it illegal to sell used games/software? I could have sworn that I heard rumblings about it back when Microsoft was suing a college student for trying to sell copies of software that he couldn't run on ebay since by opening the package he agreed to the EULA that was unable to be read until the package was opened.

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As long as your  "copies" are the retail packaged deal and not home made bootlegs Frist sale trumps eula always ^^

Least till they drop kick it in the nut sack like they did Fair use 0-o, hopefully soemone willtake it to the supreme court some day,all it takes is acouplecourts to say hey this has a legitmite use!

 

 

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Yeah, let's crack down on people who try to *GASP* play imported games! Never mind that these kind of games may not make it stateside, their importation is damaging teh economy...or something!

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How much do ICE agents get paid per hour?  Was it worth it to nail a guy with a grand total of eleven modchips in his garage?  I don't begrudge the feds their raids if they're hitting the big operators (corporations are people too, yknow) but this sounds more like they're beating down some small-time dude. Is that the "American dream" that I've been hearing so much about on this side of the border?

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Corporations aren't people. That would be like saying "Congress is a person too!".

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Ever wonder where the 3 billion dollard loss came from?

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I might buy a mod chip for my PS2 just to give these guys the finger.

Defending America!

Seriously though, they should have called it "Operation Treat Your Consumers Like Thieves". Seriously though, Mike Gallagher(sp?) and the ESA, PLEASE GO FUCK YOURSELVES. YOU ARE DESPICABLE LITTLE SHITS. I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE YOUR BULLSHIT ORGANIZATION CRUMBLE.

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They are not illegal, however, in some other countries, including Australia and Canada.

Give it time. While Bill C-61 wouldn't technically outlaw mod chips in Canada (so no ICE-style raids), it would allow the big 3 to sue the pants off of anyone who sold them, used them, talked about them, etc.

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Operation Tabgled Web?

What the fuck? They raided homes of 32 harmless people and give it a fancy name to pretend they've disarmed a terrorist network or something? The whole thing was bad enough without them giving it some sort of "WE ARE DEFENDING AMERICA" name

Seriously, what a crock.

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Ahem.

"No Child Left Behind Act"

"Clean Air Act"

"The Patriot Act"

"Operation Iraqi Freedom"

"The Patriot Missile Defense System"

"Homeland Security"

"Project for a New American Century"

Neo-cons are terrible at naming things. Thank god we don't let them name animals.. Otherwise Bear="furry communist thing that ate Jim"; or chicken="egg laying thing that tastes good". Or food for that matter.. Hotdogs="sausage between two buns".

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eh the patriot missiles is an acronym

Phased Array Tracking Radar to Intercept Of Target

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What's more important - Terrorism or Mod Chips?

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But mod chips can be used to play or modify counter strike which means it's involved with terrorists therefore they must be stopped.

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