Submitted by Cecil475 - July 19, 2008 at 4:40 am -0500
"Eventually the lack of revenue, be it from E3 or membership dues, translates to cutting back on the services that the ESA provides to the industry: lobbying, IP protection and free speech issues."
Would this lead to the eventual collapse of the ESA?
If it does happen, how will it effect the videogame industry? Would it have another crash? Would bills get passed into law and stay?
Submitted by E. Zachary Knight - July 19, 2008 at 12:40 pm -0500
Laws won't get passed. There will still be the EMA representing the retailers and the ECA representing the consumers. Most game bills effect these two organizations more than they did the ESA anyway.
THe only major problem would be that the publishers won't have a collective voice anymore.
Submitted by Anonymous - July 20, 2008 at 6:27 am -0500
The death of E3 is as much as symptom of the development of the video game industry. E3 had become each company trying to outdo each other specifically in response to each company trying to outdo each other.
How often would the old E3 have reports of "select people were allowed to go to Soandso's off site party to see suchandsuch". E3 had become a pile of solutions to the problems E3 created.
Any publisher can get as much hype as they otherwise could with the internet now. There's no reason to tease a title with a rough alpha that might turn people off just because it's The Big Show. Three weeks later you can polish it and then take advantage of a news drought.
Submitted by oto kirlama - December 17, 2008 at 8:38 am -0500
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Posted 07/04/09 at 07:55pm GoodRobotUs: Some agreed, some didn't, but it was their choice to make, not the governments.
Posted 07/04/09 at 07:55pm GoodRobotUs: By asking the audience their opinion, he more or less proved that it's a matter of personal choice
Posted 07/04/09 at 07:55pm GoodRobotUs: Meh, he ended proving Mark's point for him
Posted 07/04/09 at 07:26pm Erik: Jack if you are reading this you are a LIAR. There is no legal weight to the MPAA's ratings.
Posted 07/04/09 at 07:24pm JDKJ: I still think my buddy the midget who rides a unicycle backwards while juggling four bowling pins would have been a much bigger hit with that crowd. And he can make up statistics and misinterpret studies, too.
Posted 07/04/09 at 06:33pm Alyric: Of course, Mark falls into the common trap about Columbine, which had nothing to do with bullying, etc. See: http://slate.msn.com/id/2099203/?GT1=3256 for a more thorough explanation.
Posted 07/04/09 at 06:32pm PHX Corp: Read this http://www.destructoid.com/sgc-09-liveblogging-the-jack-thompson-debate-138502.phtml#ext
Posted 07/04/09 at 05:54pm PHX Corp: JT is afraid of such ban then advocates it That's what i call a total Hypocrite
Posted 07/04/09 at 05:50pm PHX Corp: AE: JT is a -Bleeping- Jackass
Posted 07/04/09 at 05:07pm Andrew Eisen: JT "knew it would be a good audience." Not what he said on Tuesday.
Posted 07/04/09 at 05:01pm Andrew Eisen: VG cause violent behavior. VG companies influence behavior to get sales. Yeah, that makes sense. (To be fair, the Twitter feed makes deciphering JT's point pretty tough.)
Posted 07/04/09 at 04:52pm Andrew Eisen: Yes, it's been proposed but as far as I know it has not been passed. Big difference.
Posted 07/04/09 at 04:50pm Cheater87: http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/formats/xbox360/all-violent-video-games-be-banned-in-germany-$1301757.htm
Posted 07/04/09 at 04:49pm Andrew Eisen: Far as I know, Germany has not banned all violent video games.
Posted 07/04/09 at 04:44pm Cheater87: Jack wants the US to follow Germany's total video game ban.
Posted 07/04/09 at 04:42pm Andrew Eisen: Note to JT, it is not illegal to sell kids a ticket to R-rated movies.
Posted 07/04/09 at 04:39pm Cheater87: Jack said we would be better with no rating sytem.
Posted 07/04/09 at 04:35pm Alareth: So what was the introduction used for Jack?
Posted 07/04/09 at 04:31pm JDKJ: Heard one, you've heard 'em all. He repeats the same act, with the same half-truths, over and over.
Posted 07/04/09 at 04:31pm Andrew Eisen: Using a credit card as age verification is not illegal. Hope Mark called him on that and his made up statistics.
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At the very least, it's not the ONLY show in town. =)
Regardless, E3's fall from grace is such a pity.
"Eventually the lack of revenue, be it from E3 or membership dues, translates to cutting back on the services that the ESA provides to the industry: lobbying, IP protection and free speech issues."
Would this lead to the eventual collapse of the ESA?
If it does happen, how will it effect the videogame industry? Would it have another crash? Would bills get passed into law and stay?
What would happen?
- Warren Lewis
Laws won't get passed. There will still be the EMA representing the retailers and the ECA representing the consumers. Most game bills effect these two organizations more than they did the ESA anyway.
THe only major problem would be that the publishers won't have a collective voice anymore.
E. Zachary Knight
http://www.editorialgames.com
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
MySpace Page: http://www.myspace.com/okceca
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1325674091
The major publishers could also attempt to fight legislation on their own.
I've been saying that since.. last... year. =/
IF they don't bring back E3, the ESA is doomed.
They've been losing their publishers, so they should attempt to convince the publishers to hold the OLD E3.
I'm all for freedom of ttnet vitamin speech and allowing rent a car game makers to put whatever they want in games, but there's one thing about this app that has me scratching my head. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from araç kiralama the previous article araba kiralama on this I gathered that players can use Google maps in-game to find the other (real-life?) dealers in their area. If this is the case, has travesti anyone considered what's stopping someone from using this app to actually move drugs between hands for reals?
But majority araba kiralama of their outrage araç kiralama stems from what it could DO TO children, not the content itself. Talk to one of these people and you'll find they don't think any books kiralık araba should be banned from children. Mention American Psycho and they talk about kiralık araç the redeeming value of using imagination to construct a story. Reading, no matter what the content, is largely viewed as a consequenceless activity for people of any age. The reason why I mention American Psycho is because of the content itself. Gaming never has and likely never will have any scenes where someone has sex with a severed head. Not gonna happen. Yet despite this, they'll fight tooth and nail to protect their children from two boys kissing in Bully but whatever they read is harmless... yeah.
The entire arguement is kiralık oto based upon a social normality inflicted by luddites who can't figure out the controls for Halo so it's frightening and terrifying and obviously the cause of youth violence on the rise even though, in reality, it's in decline (which is actually a HUGE suprise given minibüs kiralama the economies status). In a perfect world, we would have parents that actually parent. The idea of sales restrictions on media on oto kiralama any form to accomidate parental unwillingness to get involved with their child's life is the real problem to me. Here I am, 32 years old, and being held up at a self-scan rent a car needing to show ID before I can buy a $10 M rated game all because Soccer Momthra can't be bothered to look at the crap Billy Genericallystupidson does in his free time. It's too hard for her, so I have to suffer?