PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in Secret Shopper Report

July 24, 2008 -

(note: this PTC secret shopper survey is not related to the one conducted by Baltimore's ABC-2 that GamePolitics has reported on over the past couple of days)

Watchdog group the Parents Television Council has issued a secret shopper report in which video game retailers fared noticeably worse than in results issued by the Federal Trade Commission in April.

Overall, the PTC claims that game retailers sold M-rated titles to underage buyers 36% of the time. As reported by GamePolitics, the FTC's secret shoppers succeeded in buying M-rated games at only a 20% rate.

As in the the FTC study, GameStop and Best Buy did very well, according to the PTC. Both retailers sold to underage buyers just 8% of the time. Circuit City (60%), K-Mart (50%), Hollywood Video (50%) and various local and regional stores (47%) compiled the worst results.

PTC president Tim Winter (left) was harshly critical of the video game industry in the PTC's press release:

...a disturbing percentage of video game retailers are failing to prevent America’s children from purchasing violent and sexually graphic video games.  Any failure rate is problematic, but the failure rate we’re seeing is downright pathetic.  Similar to age restrictions on alcohol, tobacco, pornography and other products that are potentially harmful to children, parents deserve a reasonable expectation that age restrictions for adult entertainment products will be enforced at the retail level.

 

It is outrageous that retailers are not exercising greater responsibility, and even more absurd that there are no meaningful consequences for those retailers who ignore their industry’s own age restriction policies... 

 

The video game industry would have us believe that the 1/5 failure rate as reported by the FTC is acceptable and that parents need not worry.  Our analysis shows a 1/3 failure rate.  Perhaps the retailers felt the pressure was off after the FTC’s report was published... While we applaud Game Stop and Best Buy for their commitment to abide by their corporate age restriction policies, the other retailers should be ashamed and must act immediately to improve.

Winter also used the report as a platform to support new legislation introduced by Sen. Roger Wicker (R-MS). The bill targets video game ratings. GamePolitics coverage of the bill is upcoming.

Here is the data on various retailers as issued by the PTC (updated, as Blockbuster was left off of their original version):

 

M-RATED VIDEO GAMES
PTC Results (July 2008)
CHAIN
# of Stores
% Able to Purchase
Game Stop
12
8%
Wal-Mart
13
38%
Best Buy
12
8%
Toys “R” Us
5
40%
Blockbuster
11
36%
Target
17
41%
Kmart
4
50%
Circuit City
10
60%
Hollywood Video
2
50%
Various Local & Regional Stores
15
47%


 


Comments

Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

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The entire arguement is kiralık oto based upon a social normality inflicted by luddites who can't figure out the controls for Halo so it's frightening and terrifying and obviously the cause of youth violence on the rise even though, in reality, it's in decline (which is actually a HUGE suprise given minibüs kiralama the economies status).  In  a perfect world, we would have parents that actually parent.  The idea of sales restrictions on media on oto kiralama any form to accomidate parental unwillingness to get involved with their child's life is the real problem to me.  Here I am, 32 years old, and being held up at a self-scan rent a car needing to show ID before I can buy a $10 M rated game all because Soccer Momthra can't be bothered to look at the crap Billy Genericallystupidson does in his free time.  It's too hard for her, so I have to suffer?

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The PTC is one far-right Bible-humper in front of a TV.  It means nothing to any person with two brain cells.

Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

So by the PTC's reasearch, if I go into two blockbusters, and one has the movie I want and the other one has it checked out...   50% of all blockbusters don't have a copy of Adventures in Babysitting available.

For shame movie industry.

Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

Here I thought Toys 'R' Us stores no longer carried M rated games for a while.

Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

Like I said this was 10 years ago.  it was just before the PS2 was released.

Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

Just got off the phone with a PTC representative, who said that they visited 101 stores, and 4 or 5 they visited more than once. 

He also said that he felt that the sample size was adequate for it to be compared to the FTC's, and that the sample size was significant in all cases.  I then proceeded to point out to him that they visited 2 Hollywood videos, and they deemed that significant, at which point he began to talk about limitations of the organization.


TL;DR: 

We don't care to conduct real research, so we'll take insignificant samples and pretend they're as viable statistics as those of the FTC. 

Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

Isn't it amazing  that the parents that scream the loudest are also the ones that buy their kids the game in question, no questions asked.  About 10 years ago I worked at Toy's R Us.  Our store manager had a policy of not selling M rated games to minors.  So I had a, what had to be, 8 or 9 year old come in trying to buy an M rated game.  So, I made the kid get his mother who then had to get her fat ass out of her car to buy the game for him.   Well this woman decides to yell at me in the middle of the store for not selling her little brat this game.   Point being, these parents are just too lazy or too self absorbed to take time to be a part of their kids lives and get involved.  They are looking for a scapgoat and right now it is video games.   My dad will still sit and play a video game with me and i'm 26.  He and my mother always knew and still know what games I play.

Re: PTC Makes Themselves Look Retarded Again

The Parent Trash Cult must be the dumbest people alive if this "report" is the best they could come up with.

Whether it's the one-fifth(20%) rate of the FTC report(the more reliable report) or the one-third(33.3%) rate of these lying piles of crap, the video game retailers are still doing far better the movie and music retailers.

Then again, it's been proven that they're nothing but a bunch of liars.

Re: PTC Makes Themselves Look Retarded Again

Hey, the WWE sued them for defamation, maybe the ESA or ESRB can too.

Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

Honestly, its not anyones fault but the cashiers, if they are too lazy or just don't give a damn, they WON'T card, hell, when I was 17, I got carded at wal-mart for wanting to buy a T rated game, AND THE MACHINE ASKED ME IF I WAS 17+. I literally told the cashier that it was bullshit that I had to even present my ID for a game that I was clearly old enough to buy.

Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

WOW! I never knew how scientific the PTC was! Maybe they can use their genius to cure whatever sickness their leader has! Seriously though, agendas are SO fun, especially when they produce biased studies!

 

-Entertainment isn't the reason the world sucks. It's the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

When i was a young man in the 8th grade i forced my dad to buy me the first fallout game.  now i'm a twisted fuck.

 

 

thanks dad.

thanks interplay.

 

 

 

Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

And this is just something I've seen myself. When I first wanted to play magic the gathering my folks were worried. They'er very christian and whatnot so the idea of me 'slinging magic at friends' was worrysome. But, I had a smart father. He said he'd buy the game first, figure it out, then if he approved of it I could play it.

When he did this he discovered it was just a fun little strategy game, nothing 'evil' about it at all. He also kept playing and made a deck that soundly whupped me every time but hey, it was still fun.

My point is all it takes is just a little bit of legwork to take care of this shit yourself as a parent. I find it embarassing that no one's willing to make that effort.

Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

....I should hope that's sarcasm else you're proving every point above the effect of parents needing to take responciblity and stop these things from hitting little hands they shouldn't be in.

PTC... whoop de doo

The PTC is one of the most pathetic organizations around. I mean, they managed to vilify the WWE (at the time the WWF) and get sued for it, and how hard is it to knock that programming without stooping to actual defamation? Having a problem with shows aimed towards mature audiences doing storylines for more mature audiences is another sad thing they do. Attempting to fine a network in 2008 for an episode of a show that aired in 2003, long after anyone who isn't a watchdog would care, is another stain on their resume. Complaining about women in bikinis eating hamburgers in commercials while not complaining about commercials with implied sex rounds out their rather pathetic history.

In short, here's a verse from a song from Family Guy, remixed to express how I feel:

Take a tip, take a lesson, you can always win by messing, with the fellahs at the freaking PTC!

Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

I wrote off that set of figures above the moment I saw that only 2 stores of hollywood video had been checked and they still counted it in. Haivng a 50% failure with only 2 checks is incredibly flawed logic.

By the same logic I could flip a coin twice and if it comes up heads both times, claim it will always be heads. Besides most of these stores have self enforcement on this. If a clerk is caught letting a game with an M rating go into a kid's hands usualy they'er fired on the spot.

Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

-ehm-

I thought sexually graphic games were arted AO (adults only) by the ESRB?? From what I've seen here on gamepolitics.com the 15 year old bou that were allowed to buy these games bought Halo 3, Bioshock, Gears of War, CoD4 and some other M-rated games. Personally, I would find these game fine for a 15 year old to play - aybe not Gears Of War, but that's just because I'm a wuzz when it comes down to gory and blood etc. God of War have some sexual content, I think? but that's the only game I can think of right now.

I would also object to the PTC's methods in this study. They sent out 15 year old boys...and at least in Denmark some 15 year old boys look like they're 18 or even 21. The interesting is, though, as others have been pointing out, would the retailers sell to a 12 year or an 8 year old. Probably not...

 

 

 

Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

Again, This study and the one posted about the other day are not the Same one!!!!!

E. Zachary Knight
http://www.editorialgames.com
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

I wrote an email to the PTC about this report this morning. I am waiting for my answers, and have recieved a note from someone at the PTC saying they will get back to me by Monday. Here is the email:

To all addressed,

I am writing to you today with some questions about your secret shopper 
report you posted about today. My biggest question is about the lack of 
concern you have on the enforcement of R and Unrated movies at retail. 
Why have you not done a study into that failure? If you have, when will 
you be posting that report?

Why, when the FTC reports a 50% failure rate at retail and a 35% failure 
rate at the theatre, are you not concerned about children getting a hold 
of that content? Movies have much more graphic sexual and violent 
content than is found in the majority of video games. They are also more 
prevalent than video games. Why would anyone who claims to want to 
protect children from harmful media would you ignore movies?

I would also like to know what research and studies you are using to 
back this claim,

    Countless independent studies confirm that repeated exposure to
    graphic sexual, violent and profanity-laced video games has a
    harmful and long-term effect on children.
    

My next concern is about this statement,

    Similar to age restrictions on alcohol, tobacco, pornography and
    other products that are potentially harmful to children, parents
    deserve a reasonable expectation that age restrictions for adult
    entertainment products will be enforced at the retail level
    

While we have laws in place to prevent sales of alcohol and tobacco to 
children, they are completely different from video games. Alcohol and 
tobacco are physical substances that can harm anyone child or adult. 
Video games are protected free speech under the First Amendment. As for 
your thoughts on pornography, if a video game were to contain 
pornographic material in the sense that it would be deemed as such unde 
the Miller test, current pornography laws would apply to such game and 
thus the same restrictions that apply to pornography would apply to such 
game. I am concerned that you may be willfully misleading your members 
by making these comparisons.

I am also concerned about your call for government action in the 
enforcement of video game ratings. There are no laws in place enforcing 
the ratings of movies so why should there be laws in place enforcing 
game ratings? Also, why should video games not be protected under the 
first amendment as are other forms of entertainment?

If you could please reply back with this information, I would be greatful.

E. Zachary Knight
Concerned Citizen and Parent of three young children.

E. Zachary Knight
http://www.editorialgames.com
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
MySpace Page: http://www.myspace.com/okceca
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Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

I'm sorry but 2-17 stores total for each store is ahrdly a good enough number to be releasing data on, PTC is just trying to create headlines.

Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

They only visited 2 Hollywood video stores and that's where they got the 50% number from? You'd think that with such a low number of stores visited they wouldn't even bother including that in the report.

What higher up exec at Hollywood video is going to take this report seriously if they only had two stores?

---------------------------------------------------- Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

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Is there any question as to the reliability of this report?

Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

Nope.

PTC Produces Meaningless Review

First off, 90 stores is by no means a significant sample to form a review.  If the PTC, a group that advocates education, wishes to perform a study, please at least try and keep it scientific.  I'll pretend that this study is not meaningless and try and find where they get the 1/3 from.

With the information that I've mined out of the various reports that gamepolitics has provided, there was only one teenager and he made two attempts per store with the games listed in the two articles.

This means that some of their percentages are rounded OR truncated.  Bad PTC... you should know what happens to precision and accuracy when you round/truncate shouldn't you?  After examining their figuers, it appears as if they drew their conclusions with the following:

Gamestop - 2/24.  8.33% rounded down.

Wal-Mart - 10/26.  34.36% rounded down.

Best Buy - 2/24.  8.33% rounded down.

Toys "R" Us - 4/10.  40% right on.

Target - 14/34.  41.18% rounded down.

Kmart - 4/8.  50% right on.

Circuit City - 12/20.  60% right on.

Hollywood Video - 2/4.  50% right on.

Local/Regional - 14/30.  46.66% rounded up.

Now it's all well and good that the PTC knows how to do proper stat, however even a layman by looking at the above figures should be able to realize that these samples are not nearly significant.  The PTC should have to do a larger sample or release their raw stats to the public in order to be allowed to spew their nonsense in a national public forum.

Total:  60/180 = 33.333...%  Exa

Re: PTC Produces Meaningless Review

You are not thinking about the PTC's study. Again, someone is confusing the PTC's study with that of that Baltimore news channel from a couple of days ago.

@Dennis: Can we get a note in the article alerting people that this is not the same secret shopper study from two days ago?

E. Zachary Knight
http://www.editorialgames.com
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
MySpace Page: http://www.myspace.com/okceca
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1325674091

Re: PTC Produces Meaningless Review

Actually, I think this post is about the right study--the 180 number refers to two attempts at each of 90 stores the PTC hit in their secret shopper activities. I'm not sure about the single secret shopper thing; they might be confusing that with the Baltimore news story.

The upshot is the same as I posted in an earlier comment, however. A survey of 90 stores is not sufficient for a statistically rigorous study. The FTC's study was better, with over 250 stores, but I would still take its estimates with a grain of salt.

Re: PTC Produces Meaningless Review

errr 64/180 = slightly higher than 1/3rd sry ><

Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

The ideal follow up to this report should be, why is there a high failure rate in comparison to items like tobacco and alcohol?

I would suspect that the answer is that the retailers themselves don't regard games to be on the same destructive level as tobacco and alcohol.  Because they aren't. 

In addition this report should be more of an indictment of the retailers and not the game industry as a whole.  A failure to instruct and enforce proper procedure is a breakdown of the retailer's policies, not the game industry.

And even with this report, it doesn't mean legislation is the best course of action.  Unfortunately, for politicians, that's about all they can do.  That, and non-binding resolutions.

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Please, the PTC study was a joke. They actually believe their study is more comprehensive than the FTC report? The PTC used ONE secret shopper. Not only that but they chose a 15 year old who looked like a grown man. They also only inspected THREE stores for each franchise. Maybe I'll be inclined to believe your statistics when you actually test a decent sample size of stores and use some secret shoppers who actually look like children. Why would anyone even care if a 15 year old can buy M-rated games anyway? Few do, but they chose him because they knew a 15 year old would have a much higher sucess rate than a 8-12 year old and now they can skew the results to say that these retailers are willing to sell porn games to your small children. It's just a dirty pathetic tactic. Children can easily tell the difference between fantasy and reality but these assholes at the PTC don't believe even adults are capable of such an intellectual feat.

Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

Um...You are thinking of the News channel's secret shopper from a couple of days ago. This was performed in 90 stores with an unspecified number of kids of varying ages and genders.

E. Zachary Knight
http://www.editorialgames.com
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

I love how some self-styled game 'fans' here are so willing to concede ground to those who want to destroy the gaming industry.  Look, get it into your thick skulls - there's NOTHING wrong with kids buying video games.  Video games are not porn, nor are they drugs.  They're about as dangerous to kids as novels and they should face the same restrictions as novels do - i.e. none at all.  We shouldn't be criticizing Circuit City for selling games to kids.  When we do that we are surrendering the whole issue to folks who want to see our lifestyle destroyed.  Why do some of you folks refuse to see that?

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Would you be okay with a twelve-year-old reading hardcore erotica?  I really don't think so.  I agree that the situation isn't as bad as the PTC makes it out to be, but man, you're playing it out with the same style of generalizations when you assert that "NOTHING" is wrong here.

---
The Mammon Industry

---
Fangamer

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Twelve-year-olds having access to erotica is nothing to worry about.  Twelve-year-olds are usually educated in areas involving sex, and if they fap instead of fuck, they might not knock each other up quite so much.

If you had said seven-year-olds, though, you're arguement would carry more weight.

I'm not saying I agree or dissagree, but

Please don't compare games to mere pornography. Some are full bown masterpieces (Bioshock and Metal Gear Solid come to mind) and don't deserve to be equated to petty bullshit.

 

-Entertainment isn't the reason the world sucks. It's the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

Hmm, didn't ABC in Baltimore just come up with the exact same results?  Nice to get separate confirmation.

The PTC is welcome to criticize, but if they're going to single out the game industry and game retailers, they have an obligation to run comparison tests with other forms of media, such as enforcement by DVD retailers, movie theaters, comics shops, and so on.  If games are faring as well or better than other forms of media (as indicated by the earlier FTC report), then the PTC hasn't really a leg to stand on.  (Of course, that might be why they don't publicize that data...)

Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

Um... is it just me or does this report seem kind of arbitrary?  The number of stores they sampled is all over the place (it seems pointless to judge a franchise after only studying two stores), and they don't report if this was a nationwide or local sampling.  If you're going to do a survey like this, wouldn't it make sense to sample the same number of chain stores from across the country? For all we know, the PTC secret shoppers just hit stores near their headquarters in LA and Virginia. 

Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

If failure to check IDs at a retail outlet is the fault of the video game makers, then illegal gun sales are the fault of the gun makers--OH WAIT.

Everyone together now:  When the distributer screws up, it's not the manufacturer's fault.

Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

I'm skeptical about this report.  They just happen to do a secret shopper report right after the FTC?  And their report just happens to have worse results?  Hmmm, perhaps I'm going crazy but there may be an agenda here... :)

I really can't stand groups like this.  They scapegoat aspects of the industry that have zero control over the sell of games.  They try to make the developers out to be the bad guys.  (If the PTC was to be believed, Rockstar in the devil incarnate)  And then on top of all that they promote thought-crime laws.  They covinently forget about what the industry does in terms of parental control.  I'm pretty damn certain that they came to the conclusion that video games cause violence before bothering to do any research on it.  Their basically trying to find reasons to justify their pre-conceived notions and it's sickening.

I think an underlying issue is that this is a generation-thing, as is with a lot of culture conflict. 

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Don't you just love that phrase "America's Children"?

That's just good, old fashioned, tug-at-your-heart-strings, emotional manipulation. The kind simple minded folk just eat up with a spoon.

Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

"Any failure rate is problematic."

That phrase stuck out to me, basically saying "Only a 100% success rate is acceptable, if even one game makes it into the hands of one of our little angels then the industry needs to be held accountable. Oh, retailers sell it? Wel lthe industry made it, so there" and/or "Our jobs as parents need ot be done for us because we can't be bothered away from our cocktail parties to do it ourselves."

 

And I knowi t's been said, but when will people like these learn that the game industry itself is not responsible for sales to consumers? If the industry sold directly to consumers there would be no need for specialty game stores.

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ANd I will add that if the failure rate was above 50% then they might have spotted a problem, however the number they got is still pretty good, then again these do seem to be the all or nothing types.

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What about the fact that they don't card for R-rated movies ever?

What about the fact that movie theaters don't ask for ID in many cases (my nearest theater is always packed with fucking highschoolers whenever I go see a rated R movie.) It's bullshit that they single videogames out like this, but don't look at CD's, Movies, or anything else.

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Thanks to this kids now know which stores to go to to try to buy their M rated games...lol

At least they acknowledged that some video games are adult entertainment, but its bad in a sense that they liken it to porn still. I've never played a game that had sexual content that came remotely close to porn.

Also, its really annoying how they try to make the video game industry out to be bad guys somehow. They have absolutely no control over what Wal Mart or Target do, its not their fault at all.

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Yep Circuit City it is when my parents are busy.  How about they let kids buy M-rated games if they get a parent's approval one-time in the store and they give the kid a pass.  They could then keep a record of his past purchases so that parent's could see if the teenager bought something too violent or full of sex.  Basically a program so you can register your kids to let them buy M-rated games.  You could prevent them from buying certain games with certain content descriptors using the system.  There could be an one time fee so the retailers can afford this system.  I'm sure parents would agree to pay a small fee to see what their teenager is buying along with the time saved by not visiting the store.  You could make this plan available to teenagers older than 14 or 13.

But the Parents groups would not agree.  They think we are innocent and cute "children" that need protection from everything.  They also think we are as stupid as moss and can't differentiate between fantasy and reality.  Yes there are some teenagers who are like that but its thier parent's responsibilty to monitor them.   

This system could work and provide parents more power over their kid's purchases.  Teenager's would like it because they don't like hauling their parents along.

I wonder if the person they used for the sting operation looks like 25 and is over 16 years old.  I bet they did.

All in all parents should be allowed to do their job.

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I don't know what you did growing up to get one over on your folks but that wouldnt stop anything.  Everyone had that "Friend" who had all the cool games and his folks didnt give a crap.  This is a battle the govt or any other regulation or law cannot win.

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the only kids they need to worry about are the under 13s.

They bash on the video game industry as always even though its not their fault.

Re: PTC Spanks Game Industry, Praises GameStop, Best Buy in

So, he gets mad at the games industry based off of results from stores only tenuously connected to the games industry. Seriously, the only store on the list who could be classified as "part of the gaming industry" gamestop. All the others are general, electronics, toy, or across-the-board entertainment category.

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To be fair, it looks like he's just a little confused in his terminology.  Granted I've only read the excerpts above, but it looks like he's really focusing on the retailers, and not on the producers or publishers.  I'll give him the benefit of a doubt on that, and say that focusing on the retailers to get them to enforce the rules is a good thing.

His support of legislation on the other hand...yet another way to waste the taxpayers' money to give you election year talking points, imho.  I'll give him a grade of C- on this one.

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It seems Circuit City is a consistant problem.

Of course, I didn't know they even stocked games. Do they have some large, hidden collection I don't know about?

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I love how some self-styled game 'fans' here are so willing to concede ground to those who want to destroy the gaming industry.  Look, get it into your thick skulls - there's NOTHING wrong with kids buying video games.  Video games are not porn, nor are they drugs.  They're about as dangerous to kids as novels and they should face the same restrictions as novels do - i.e. none at all.  We shouldn't be criticizing Circuit City for selling games to kids.  When we do that we are surrendering the whole issue to folks who want to see our lifestyle destroyed.  Why do some of you folks refuse to see that?

 
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E. Zachary KnightConster, which sites associated "ALL" gamers with the harassment?10/02/2014 - 9:22am
E. Zachary KnightIs it really a surprise that 15 news sites responed to a very loud and very public shaming campaign against a woman critic of sexism and a woman being attacked unjustly because of the words of an ex-boyfriend.10/02/2014 - 9:19am
ConsterSo a bunch of assholes decided to harass people, sites wrote negative articles associating all gamers with said assholes, and people got so angry about the articles they decided to associate themselves with said assholes?10/02/2014 - 9:18am
Sleaker@EZK - I think you're attributing too much there. I think the reality is actually, if 15 news sites didn't alll write coincidentally 'gamers are dead' articles, in response to a very small number of harassment cases, we wouldn't be here.10/02/2014 - 9:10am
E. Zachary KnightSo what you are saying is that gamergate is a reflexive and defensive reaction to jerks and douchebags being told off?10/02/2014 - 9:06am
Sleaker@prh99 - the ZQ stuff was a catalyst, but GG didn't explode until the Gamers are dead articles popped up everywhere, see article 3 in the link I posted.10/02/2014 - 9:04am
prh99The articles by Leigh Alexander and others were in response to what happened to Anita and Quinn and this toxic subset of gamers. 10/02/2014 - 9:02am
E. Zachary KnightSleaker, My timeline puts events in the order that prh99 just laid out. Had Quinn's ex-boyfriend not been an incredible douchebag, we might not be where we are.10/02/2014 - 9:00am
prh99The blog post by Quinn's exboyfriend suggesting she slept with journalists to get favorable reviews was the impetus for #gamergate.10/02/2014 - 8:54am
SleakerTechRaptor seems to do a decent job of breaking down things in it's currently 6-part series: http://techraptor.net/2014/09/23/good-morning-orthodoxy-1/ - and why atleast for him, the whole Media-thing is offensive.10/02/2014 - 8:53am
SleakerSo from all of the articles I've read that give timelines and show tag trends, there's nothing to support GG being about AS or Quinn. These were a minority of people harassing.. The large portion of GG started when the 'Gamers are dead' articles started.10/02/2014 - 8:45am
prh99Btw apparently they've gone as far as creating a GitHub for this Operation Disrespectful Nod. http://bit.ly/1qsbWcq10/02/2014 - 8:44am
Sleakerthey don't consider the issue. This is the consumeristic nature of a market.10/02/2014 - 8:41am
prh99Attacking their integrity and now getting advertisers to pull their ads from those sites.10/02/2014 - 8:40am
Sleaker@EZK - Telling a company you disagree with the nature of a news sites methodology and feel it negatively impacts the ad-running company as a supporter of said articles is not censorship. It's voicing your opinion that you will vote with your wallet if10/02/2014 - 8:38am
prh99I don't think they have any interested in debate. They scared Anita and Quinn with threats of violence, now they are going to try and damage organizations who called them their behavior.10/02/2014 - 8:36am
E. Zachary KnightWhat I can't understand is why gamergate supporters feel the need to silence their critics. Why can't they simply fight free speech with free speech.10/02/2014 - 8:23am
E. Zachary KnightSo what I am saying is that since gamergate failed to force Gamasutra to retract their editorial directly, they are now going the starvation route.10/02/2014 - 8:22am
E. Zachary KnightAs an illustration, you can kill someone by shooting them in the head, or you can starve them to death. The means don't matter, just the ends.10/02/2014 - 8:18am
E. Zachary Knightquiknkold, I can't speak for James, but trying to silence a critic by blocking its financial supporters is a censorious activity. It may not be the same as direct censoring, but its ends are the same.10/02/2014 - 8:18am
 

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