Sony's Fat Princess Causing Controversy

July 24, 2008 -

It’s not always easy to predict which video games are going to upset people. 

One of the games that debuted at last week’s E3 was Sony and Titan Studios’ upcoming PSN title Fat Princess, a cartoony, capture-the-flag game in which the object is to rescue your princess from the enemy’s dungeon.  The hook is that the enemy is plumping up your princess with cake, making her more and more difficult to haul back.

It’s cute.  It’s colorful.  It’s surprisingly bloody. And, from many reports, it’s a lot of fun. But, according to Joystiq, at least two feminist bloggers have taken issue with the fat part of Fat Princess.

Shakesville’s Melissa McEwan says in an open letter to Sony:

[Fat Princess]  looks and sounds just adorable—but the only thing I can't figure out is why anyone would want to rescue a fat princess in the first place, since everyone knows that fat girls are unlovable human garbage at whom any sensible bloke would sooner hurl invective than cast a longing glance... I'm positively thrilled to see such unyielding dedication to creating a new generation of fat-hating, heteronormative assholes.

Meanwhile, Feminist Gamers’ Mighty Ponygirl offers her take:

Honestly, the “core game mechanics” are brilliant, and if I didn’t care one whit about the objectification of women or fat-bashing, I would think this was the best thing since… well, Team Fortress 2…

 

Instead of running out into the forest to find cake to fatten up the princess with, why not go out and find gold (which is a lot heavier than cake) to stuff into a treasure chest. The more gold in the chest, the heavier it would be, and the harder it would be to carry.

 

Oh, but that’s not as “cute” as cake and fat chicks. Right.

For his part, Titan Studios' art director, James Green, said in an email to Joystiq:

Does it make it better or worse that the concept artist (who designed the look, characters, everything) is a girl?

-Reporting from San Diego, GP Correspondent Andrew Eisen prefers ice cream...
 


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Nintendo is indeed selling SOME of these on the Virtual Console but not even close to all of them. While i agree in part to his piracy he was filling a market that Nintendo failed to recognize. Maybe someone doesnt want to buy a Wii. maybe they just want a console with 50 - 100 NES games on them?? maybe just maybe?

but no Nintendo wants everyone araba kiralama to buy the Wii. thats their excuse but thats not what copyright is supposed to protect. i am real sure that the makers of 10 yard fight were losing sleep because they were missing out on their $0.00025 worth because they didnt get royalties from this player. *smirk*

my question is, should Super Mario Bros. be banned from public domain forever? isnt 23 years enough time for Nintendo to have made their profits?

If you have followed the Steamboat Willie case regarding Mickey Mouse you can rest in your bed well at night knowing that the MOUSE will still be under copyright law, away from public domain after your great grandchildren are in nursing homes. That is beyond ridiculous dont you think??

Gallagher can araç kiralama say all he wants, but I strongly rent a car believe it's due to his crappy leadership and E3 being a joke. ESA's Board of Directors need to find a way to get out rent a car of this horrid contract with this Bush cronie before there's no one left on the Board.

Btw, I think Atari and Midway will drop out too, but mostly travesti because  these guys have done nothing ttnet vitamin or little and need to start saving costs.

YES.

Now I don't have to get off my ass for the important shit anymore!

Whats next, ordering pizza from Xbox live?

Wait... I think that sounds like a good idea.

But I think voting should MAKE you get off your ass, and see outside or a second while you go vote. I mean, your picking the president of the United States of America for God's Sake... least you can do is drive down there and punch out a card.

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                                                                BAD GRAMMAR ALERT

Honestly men and women are different and no one can deny that fact so how can the two be truly equal; i agree that giving women the right to choose how they want to live is a moraly correct statement, but if you are going to say that; isn't including women in the draft along those same lines..... to me it seems rather unfair to let women have all the benifets but none of responsibilities and im not trying say that women are draft dodgers;its just they would be at a vast disadvantage if they fought with a opposing male(which could possibly lead to other problems as well............). 

We have to have a dominant gender to be a better functioning society look at the animal kingdom if you can't understand this, its not just males who can be dominant but females as well... forgive me i can't think of a better example, but female black widow spiders eat their male counter parts after they have become "useless" to them..... the point is that whatever is more conveniet for that species to survive is how they will evolve and there lies the fact that to think that males and females are equal in every right is false. With humans men are scientificaly the dominant ones and women were made by nature to be the objects of men's desire and the reason why we are here today because that equation worked.

Take what you will from this but please dont flame me for this; if i have incorrectly stated something feel free to give constructive criticism

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If i had a bunch of followers who loved me, and all they wanted/needed me to do was eat cake I'd do it, love it, and be "super fat"

For the people

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I am a fat girl and I would play it! Eating too much is a REAL weakness, so it is her weakness! Although I would grow fatter if I were the princess if the enemy offered me..like steak or hot wings or something... cake is so cliche :P

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*Sigh*

You know, when I first saw this game, there was a little voice in the back of my head that thought, for a bizarre abstact moment, that this sort of game could actually break a lot of stereoptypes, possibly illiciting a positive reaction from critics on the feminist front.

Man, I must have smoked a shoebox full of blow to even believe that for a moment.

First they were being rescued, and they hated that.  Then they became heroes, and they hated that.  First they were ridiculously thin, and they hated that.  Now we've portrayed them as fat, and they hate that.  I now firmly believe that feminists will not applaud a female character in a game unless she is castrating men to complete missions, beating their faces into the ground with bulging sacks of money to score bonus points, and standing atop a mounted pile of their downtrodden bodies, roaring in the credits.

The worst part of it is that these two women, who appear to be nothing more than jaded misanthropes beating their wardrum and looking for the next imaginary controversy, are actually hindering the quest for equality that many women fight legitimately for each day.  This is the unfortunate backlash of our politically correct time though.  If a man were fattened up in this game instead of a woman, and he went spouting worthless drivel like these women have, he'd be thrown away, keys and all.  But in our modern society, it is perfectly rational for a woman to be allowed to do this, irregardless of how her efforts make a mockery of the legitimate fight for equality among all people.

I, as a man, firmly believe in equality, and also firmly believe that any woman who genuinely wants to make a difference in the greater struggle for equality should tape these womens' mouths shut before they can make your fight any more of a joke.

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Quote "[Fat Princess]  looks and sounds just adorable—but the only thing I can't figure out is why anyone would want to rescue a fat princess in the first place, since everyone knows that fat girls are unlovable human garbage at whom any sensible bloke would sooner hurl invective than cast a longing glance... I'm positively thrilled to see such unyielding dedication to creating a new generation of fat-hating, heteronormative assholes."

Just like the idiot black blogger who kicked off about Resident Evil 5 because his racist prejudices towards white people made him assume that anyone who wanted to play the game was a Nazi-saluting, Swastika wearing white supremacist, so does this militant feminist blogger apply her own brand of sexist logic to this charming looking game.

As a matter of fact, she would probably label me as one of those fat-hating, heteronormative assholes. I go to the gym, eat healthily and watch my weight and would expect any girl I went out with to do the same. Not because I hate fat chicks, but because fat ain't healthy.

Get on the treadmill you silly moose.....

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Just a thought, but you still have to rescue her when she's seriously overweight right? That being the case doesn't this game suggest that true love is what counts and being overweight doesn't diminish your standing as a human being?

It's all a matter of perspective.

At best they've a case that game objectifies women, but even then I'm not sure about that. Rescuing the princess as a story/game theme is as old as the hills, it may have started out as viewing people as property, but it lost that connection long ago. (Ransom of men [usually men] and women was a part of medieval life.) Now it's just a fairy tail "rescue the one you love" meme. Perhaps a rescue the Fat Prince game should be made to balance things out? After all there aren't many Metroid-ese female protagonist games, and I guess that leaves female gamers a bit short changed.

Gift.

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Before you even begin to consider the argument that 'sexism exists because there's a shortage of female protagonists' please realise that the games industry does not have to fullfill some arbitrary quota of female protagonists before it can be considered not sexist.

Oh but as for fat prince, I've suggested they take a look at the turn frog into prince angle.

That way they'll be decrying men as disgusting slimy toads that need women before they can become anything resembling a human.

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Well I'm not saying the games industry has an obligation to make games with female protagonists, nor do I say sexisim exists because of the shortage (so I've no clue where you got that impression from). Artistic expression does not and should not have to meet quotas.

What I will say is that while there is an imbalance, this kind of critisism should be expected. Then again, the people upset by the inequality could also make a game of their own i.e. Fat Prince.

Gift.

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I didn't mean to bluntly state that was your argument, but I've seen that same argument brought up repeatedly and for a minute it seemed like you were starting a train of thought that would lead to that argument (if that makes any sense).

 

Really I've seen people claim the grand theft auto series is sexist because it lacks female protagonists (heaven forbid these people forget the concepts of satire and pardoy and then look at the ads in the game series).

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They shut down the comments. Anybody else find it suspicious that they buckle under questioning to the point of calling people of differing opinions "trolls" rather than actually defend their stand?

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Hmm..yeh, I did notice that..but I'm not surprised.

  - Warren Lewis

Consumer responsibility is just as important as Corporate responsibility. So, be responsible consumers.

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Considering that every site I've seen advocating censorship has neither comments nor a forum I'm really not surprised by this.

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Sorry, these two bitches need to get laid in the worst kinda way

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That's fairly inappropriate.

However, it is odd/noteworthy that the strains between the sexes seem to evaporate post-coitus.  So your attitude is wrong, but biologically, you might have a point.

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"Instead of running out into the forest to find cake to fatten up the princess with, why not go out and find gold (which is a lot heavier than cake) to stuff into a treasure chest. The more gold in the chest, the heavier it would be, and the harder it would be to carry."

Oh but the more gold you'll lose if they do succeed (remember you want gold) which adds a whole new gameplay element.

If you think about it feeding something is the only way to go and have it work. You could throw useless weights into a chest but then the enemy can just take them out again. It would be hard/disgusting to make something throw up what it's eaten (and if we do that we're encouraging bulimia right?)

Do these feminists not understand that rescuing a princess from a dungeon is a cliche from both fairy tales and video games (thank you nintendo)? So they're taking the cliche and adding a twist to it. I bet that if you were to make a game similar to this around the whole 'kiss a frog it turns into a prince' bit no one would complain about it and say that it treats men like frogs.

They're basing a game off an old cliche (not a stereotype but a cliche) that happens to involve women. I bet that if there is a lesson it's probably that if you eat too much you'll gain weight which is something everyone all ready knows. In fact I could proclaim this as an anti-obesity game if I was so inclined.

But I won't because I haven't played the game yet and I know very little about it. For all I know it could have some anti women or anti-fat elements to it. But if we accept that logic ANY upcoming game, movie, play, book etc. could have anti women stuff in it.

Although the fact that they are still rescuing the princess even if she is fat and hard to carry should mean something if you were to look way too much into it as these people seem to be doing.

Really though do they think that the people who play this game are going to be searching for hidden lessons or agendas or a message? Of course not, it's a downloadable game. If you're going to be looking for a message in this game you probably should do the same thing in online flash games.

You know maybe they can just turn the princess into a cow or a pig or something so they'll shut up.

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You could call this game historically accurate.

 

In medieval times (the times of princesses) thinner women weren't the 'hot' thing, the 'portly' women were of wealth and a comfortable, plush life, which is what more people wanted at that time.

 

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Bwhahaahha..

So I guess that the cake is indeed true!

They're feeding it to the 'Fat' Princess. :)

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  "[Fat Princess]  looks and sounds just adorable—but the only thing I can't figure out is why anyone would want to rescue a fat princess in the first place, since everyone knows that fat girls are unlovable human garbage at whom any sensible bloke would sooner hurl invective than cast a longing glance... I'm positively thrilled to see such unyielding dedication to creating a new generation of fat-hating, heteronormative assholes."

Really? Everyone?  I'd love to know what reasearch went that one statement. Thats the problem with feminists like this person, is that they are ready to bash the other gender at the drop of a hat. I don't see in that decription anywhere it talks about hating fat women. I guess if it were a prince or a king then no one would be raising a stink,

The bottom line is that not every single thing has to be about gender or even race. I don't have anything against women or fat people.

But I'm a guy..what do the hell do I know, right?
 

 - Warren Lewis

Consumer responsibility is just as important as Corporate responsibility. So, be responsible consumers.

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As a fat person, I am deeply offended...

that these people think they're allowed to speak for me.

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At least you aren't going all the way through four stages only to be told "Thank you enter name here)! But your fat princess is in another castle!"

 

By the way if you win, do you get to dance to Sir Mixalot's Baby got Back with the princess? :)

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I was going to try and post some feedback to some of the mentioned blogs but after reading this, I didn't bother...

"it’s amazing how quickly they’ll disappear once you take away their right to speak" in regards to trollish posts.

After reading some of the posts that got through and their response, I've come to the conclusion that they don't want another viewpoint and are quite happy raging away in their own little world.

C'est la vie, why waste time trying to open a dialogue without someone who isn't interested in your opinion in the first place (after all, I am just a man... ; )

 

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"After reading some of the posts that got through and their response, I've come to the conclusion that they don't want another viewpoint and are quite happy ragging away in their own little world"

Fixed

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That site is fucked up sexist trash.

-Entertainment isn't the reason the world sucks. It's the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

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I've been reading the commenta on the blogs that GP has linked and to be honest the impression I got was that the feminists on those sites were very rude and refused to debate with even those who had reasonable and valid points and were being polite.

I have no qualms about them telling people who are clearly taking the piss to fuck off but to refuse to debate reasonable points shows a narrow-minded and ignorant agenda.

 

The very fact that the 'Fat Princess' character was designed from the very off by A GIRL shows that these particular feminists do not have a clue what they are going on about.

 

EPIC FAIL LADIES!

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 Whoops, accidentally posted this as a reply first ><

 

 To everyone seething at feminists as a cohesive group...

At the core of feminism is the simple idea that men and women should be considered equals, and to a wide extent we've achieved this. Sure, there's still sexism, particularly in academia (as a grad student in physics I've had piles of experience with that first hand) and compared to many fields of work it's received comparatively little attention. In the past fifty years, there have been no female nobel laureates in either physics or chemistry, and _never_ any in economics. The debate about why this disparity between men and women in the academic world, particularly in the hard sciences, could provide enough material to last for weeks. Personally, I think it's a combination of societal conditioning to think men are better fitted for the hard sciences and the simple fact that making a career in academia requires an almost obsessive drive and is not conducive to raising a family at all. Many women-I'd even go as far to say the majority-who consider an scientific career also want children. Working the insane hours required to be successful in such a competitive and stressful field doesn't allow for this goal that many women put high on their list.

But I digress... 

Real feminists don't go squawking around about a cute, harmless video game. Comparing these nutcases to the wider feminist movement makes about as much sense as comparing every muslim to the radicals who blow themselves up in supermarkets.

And to the women involved: I'm sure if you look hard enough, you'll find something worthwhile to do with your time.

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Actually, the reason that women tend not to go into hard sciences as often is that there are few role models for such fields.  Physics, Engineering, these don't have very many women leading the progression of the field. 
Of course, it can also be attributed to the fact that sociologically, the 'role models' for female children tend to , for the last 20 years, be skanks, failures, and dropouts, just as with the black community.

There is very little sexism in academia, as most professors are more than willing to kiss the asses of females and anyone perceived to be the 'minority' ( I recall a feminist with a doctorate in sociology who tried her best to fail me, but I still passed, even after writing a 12 page dissertation on why she should lose her job).  You see, academia leans far far far far FAR to the left, despite what anyone may want to believe.  

Your point about Doctorates and the amount of work required for them being counterproductive to raising a family is undoubtedly the best point you make, and this is true.  However, many people don't realize that when two people start a family, it makes it hard for either to further their education, save in the most extraordinary of situations. 

As for feminism, today it has become, as a whole, a view that demands that we acquiesce and make reparations for past 'wrongs'.  Feminists no longer do anything of value, save waste space on the internet.

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 (I'm OP)

After being somewhat confused about your counterpoints, I reviewed my post and realized that what I said was somewhat vague and could be taken a number of ways. I did not mean to imply that the people in the academic world are somehow more sexist than in anything else, I was referring to the societal bias against women in the hard sciences that girls are subjected to when their interests are beginning to take shape. On the contrary, my experience as a grad student has been wonderful, with the exception of a few isolated idiots.  I agree, the absence of role models for young women in the sciences is a huge factor. I was incredibly lucky in this aspect, my mother's a biomed researcher with a PhD and a DVM. One of my goals in life (I consider this a feminist action) is to become a mentor for young girls and to encourage them to not fold to the idea that women aren't supposed to be "nerds." This type of sexism is something I've had tons and tons of experience first hand with, from elementary school through high school. Interestingly enough, I've had much more trouble being tormented by my female peers than my male peers in this aspect. 

As to the family comment, you're absolutely right, it does take two people to start a family. The problem is that men who take on "Mr. Mom" responsibilities are often ridiculed by their peers (sexism goes both ways, something that some feminists tend to forget), and women who spend more time with their career than family are considered bad mothers. It's unbalanced and an archaic idea, but it persists today.

In response to your comment on feminism: if this is what the wider view of feminism has become, perhaps it's time for a more even name (men, in my opinion, experience just as much sexism as women to). I'd suggest "humanitism," but that's already taken ;)

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I Would Love To Read That Dissertation.

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"You see, academia leans far far far far FAR to the left, despite what anyone may want to believe."

Not to sound contradictory (since I agree with your assertion for the most part), but my US History teacher in college was about as far right as a person can get.  If he went any farther right, he'd be off the scale.  As I said, he was the US History teacher, and from the 1950s on, virtually every lesson was a diatribe against the democratic party, both lauding it's failures and condemning it to obscurity in the annals of history.  On a somewhat funny note, he predicted the 2004 elections would be a landslide for Bush.

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Yeah, every so often you'll find a Conservative in academia (I am on good terms with a philospher/philosphy teacher who is very conservatve), but they are in the vast minority.  However, outside of certain schools (Military Colleges, mainly), you'll find there are very few if any conservatives on staff, and that all the teachers have very liberal tendencies, which they do, in many cases, try to force into their classes.

 

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"In case they haven't heard, having boobs no longer causes us to earn smaller salaries and have fewer rights. "

"You can't play that 'women don't have equal rights and oppor tunities' crap anymore, not after what I've seen. "

Before stating this, perhaps go look up comparative pay-scales for men and women in your country. I know that in mine, women are still significantly under-recompensed for doing the same job as men. We have not reached equality there yet.

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Dude this is going to make a lot of money for Sony and it's one of the best products they have had in the PS3's lifeline so far... apart from Uncharted.

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Short (Sarcastic) Answer: I bet those bloggers are fat chicks.

Long Answer:

I wish these types of self-righteous bloggers would stop calling themselves feminists.  I'm a feminist.  I realize there are inequities between the sexes, especially in the workplace and in health care, that need to be brought to light and resolved.

But, these girls (and I mean that they are acting childish) are simply perceiving problems where there are none, likely for attention.

I must oppose the notion that obese women are somehow more mocked than obese men.  The root cause of the ridicule is the obesity problem, not the sex. 

Silly little angry letters like this just distract otherwise caring people (both men and women) from real issues. 

Healthcare is the primary place I see true inequality.  Try googling "endometriosis."  More women have this disease then have breast cancer.  Yet, it's insidiously under diagnosed and the treatment is fraught with 1950's era "Get 'er pregnant." and then, "Cut out her organs," if the first course fails (which the first solves nothing, and hysterectomies have been shown to not 100% solve the problem).  Many times female reproductive probems are attributed to stess, because of the complete lack of medical know-how at the GP level of potentially serious female symptoms. 

Ask yourself, why do we have thousands of birth control optons for women, when they are fertile for only a few days (maybe 5 tops) during a month, but men are fertile from age 12 or so and until death?  The issue of birth control is met with the same male-centered logic - that pregnancy is the 'fault' or 'responsibility' of the female.  Quite simply, male birth control would stop the "problem" with 100% reliability, because we are always fertile.  But, you don't see it, because birth control was designed in the 60's when men dominated the field (and didn't want to deal with the side effects).  The same goes for heart disease research, cancer research, and fertility research, etc.  It was assumed that women and men would diagnose these dieseases similarly.  Wrong.

So, there are real feminist issues out there, but anytime one of the activist parade starts squaking about social perceptions, using terms like heteronormative, and objectivication, people just roll their eyes and mutter, "Feminists" with a head shake.  And the real issues get buried in codswallop.

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... really.. .

You'd think that if this was such an important issue to some, they'd take it up and pursue it. Instead of complaining about it. There are plenty of Female Doctors and Scientists out there. Maybe you should think about becoming one. Make this your flagship issue. Otherwise, take it somewhere else.

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It would be difficult to become a female doctor/scientist.  Being that I'm of the decidely male persuasion.

Here's a quick idea for you - if we simply had as many women engineers and scientists in the US as we do men, we would regain the the bulk of the scientific prowess in the world.  We don't, so your assertion of "plenty" female doctors and scientists is false.  Certain fields, like Chemical Engineering (hello fellow BSChE's out there!), have nearly 40% women, but most other technical fields have far less.

Why don't you take your dismissive and uninformed attitude, "somewhere else?"

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I'm a computer science major -- a field that remains heavily dominated by men -- but the only discrimination that I've seen has been in my favour.  There are all sorts of programs offering me extra help, scholarships, etc. purely because of my second X chromosome, and I know that I'll be able to find a job at the end of it because so many companies are desperate to appear "inclusive."  I can only conclude that the average woman simply isn't interested in this field and would rather do something else.

Perhaps there is discrimination in other fields -- I don't know -- but my experience shows that it is not necessarily as widespread as many might believe.

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Indeed, the gap is getting shorter when it comes to males and females in math and science in schools nowadays. Once the generation continues, I can see more more of us entering in the male dominated fields like that. I just think that we had a late start.

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Actually, there's an appalling lack of feamle Scientists - a problem that needs to be addressed urgently and which, funnilly enough, directly affects the videogames industry.

Women aren;t be blocked from studying the sciences, they just seem to be a less popular choice within that demographic.

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Instead of being so damn focused on the "media image", perhaps they could learn to live their own lives and be happy with themselves.

Lashing out at people and objects that indirectly reference your own insecurities is childish.

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Hooray! Another comments clusterfuck WOOOOOOOOOOOO! What'll it be next time? Someone doesn't like game Z because they feel it promotes, let's say child prostitution, and they're part of non-gamerboyshithead group Y. I'm sure the comments from the multitudes of braying masses will be a *joy* to read on that one, and won't *at all* make the commenters and the community they're a part of look like massive sociopathic fucks. :roll:

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Look on the bright side. At least ol' Thompson will be having a fit that an article on this site got 150 comments without one mention of him in the article.

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That's an interesting perspective.

Might I point out that your post merely affords you the opportunity to become the very thing you so vehemently oppose? Do you really think that calling us "gamerboyshitheads" is going to help you or to make you appear as though you have something valuable to say?

Do you think that calling someone names and berating them in public is going to win you any support? If not, then it's simply a troll. Even more sad is the possibility that you think we'll "wake up" or something and realize that you're right.

We won't.

*the more you knooooww...*

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Listen hon, I've been trying to talk some sense into the community I thought I was a part of for quite some time. No matter how calmly, simply, and nicely I've discussed issues like this here and elsewhere, nothing fucking changes, you're still a bunch of immature twats who can't seem to wrap your brains around an idea as simple as "certain words in the english language carry negetive connotations beyond simply being 'bad words' and in many circomstances using those words can be innapropriate, and highly offensive to certain social groups".

 

So you'll excuse me if I don't particularly care much anymore about wether or not my blatent trolling convinces some bigoted dumbass to see the 'error of their ways'.

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I think what it really comes down to is... while most of us are aware that certain groups might be offended by certain things, we feel very strongly that the group in question should grow the hell up, stop making the innumerable others that they claim to represent look bad, and join the rest of us in the 21st century.  Admittedly the majority of gamers are unable to express that thought coherently, let alone politely, but it does seem to be the most common opinion here and elsewhere in the gaming community.

Besides, in my experience, it's much easier to ignore a fellow human being's sex, race, etc. when I'm not constantly being reminded of it by misguided individuals who never quite got the memo several decades ago when most real injustices were sorted out.

Re: Sony's Fat Princess Causing Controversy

[quote]Besides, in my experience, it's much easier to ignore a fellow human being's sex, race, etc. when I'm not constantly being reminded of it by misguided individuals who never quite got the memo several decades ago when most real injustices were sorted out.[/quote]

That's awfully big of a nazi sympathiser.

Re: Sony's Fat Princess Causing Controversy

... did you just Godwin the thread?

Re: Sony's Fat Princess Causing Controversy

That is correct. Ohma godwin'd the thread.

Werrick wins round 1

Werrick 1 : Ohma 0 

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 Sorry, edits.

Everyone else 1 : Ohma 0

Re: Sony's Fat Princess Causing Controversy

Please don't call me "hon"... I've not given you the priviledge of familiarity. The fact that you assume you can take such a liberty is evidence of a condescension that I neither appreciate nor welcome. I'm not calling you "sweet-cheeks" or "jugs", after all... that would be sexist, now wouldn't it? Please have the same respect for me... assuming you're capable of such an extraordinary feat of self-control.

Secondly, your rant wherein you call me an "... immature twat" along with the rest of the posters here, some of whom have, in fact, posted reasonably and rationally, myself included, merely demonstrates precisely the attitude against which some people are opposed. In short, it represents the "if you don't agree with me then not only are you wrong, but you're an imbecile" attitude that, ironically, so many "feminists" share.

In short, you're guilty of precisely the thing you accuse others of committing, but you do so egregiously as you claim the moral high-ground. It doesn't matter how long or how hard you think you "tried", the fact remains that at the end of the day you've become the very thing you CLAIM to fight against.

So, you'll excuse me if I continue to point out not only your hypocrisy, but your blatant disregard for reality and your inexcusable bias on the issue.

 
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