Republican Congresswoman Claims Terrorists Communicating Via Japanese Video Game Sites

July 25, 2008 -

There have been a number of instances in which U.S. government officials have attempted to link video game technology with terrorism, occasionally with comic results.

GamePolitics has just located a terrorism speech delivered in May, 2007 by Rep. Sue Myrick (left). We don't believe this has been previously reported in either the gaming or mainstream press.

In the speech, the North Carolina Republican, a member of the powerful Energy and Commerce Committee, offers no explanation or amplification while linking terrorist training with "Japanese video game websites":

Terrorists frustrate our intelligence agencies because they use Internet techniques that can't be easily traced...  They are sending training and recruitment videos over Japanese video game Web sites because the traffic and file sizes are so large, intelligence officers cannot easily differentiate jihadist files from regular video game files. They post pornographic sites as the front to their Web sites because they know government workers are forbidden to access pornographic Web sites and therefore cannot go further to access their actual Web site...

 

 We must not allow the Internet to be a safe haven for terrorists.
 

GP: Also missing from Rep. Myrick's speech is any explanation as to why Japanese video game websites would be targeted to the exclusion of games sites located in other countries. And the bit about government workers not accessing porn sites? We think she needs to double check that one...


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YES.

Now I don't have to get off my ass for the important shit anymore!

Whats next, ordering pizza from Xbox live?

Wait... I think that sounds like a good idea.

But I think voting should MAKE you get off your ass, and see outside or a second while you go vote. I mean, your picking the president of the United States of America for God's Sake... least you can do is drive down there and punch out a card.

 

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I donno, she may have been reffering to the chans, but then, she'd be breaking rules, 1, 2 and 30

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

 

k.

Re: Republican Congresswoman Claims Terrorists Communicating

i thought of this 2-3 years ago.

something along the line of terrorist groups creating characters in free MMOs (japanese or korean ones) to communicate their agenda.

its a no brainer. she is not off point- just late.

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If terrorists really are using tactics such as that, then I don't see how she can win this battle, short of destroying the internet.

Does the government really have time to troll around in MMO's to see who "might" be a terrorist. It just dosent seem like you can effectively regulate the internet. Theres just too many loopholes and havens.

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All I can say is that...you can't control the internet. There is no way possible.

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wait....

They post pornographic sites as the front to their Web sites because they know government workers are forbidden to access pornographic Web sites and therefore cannot go further to access their actual Web site...

Last time i checked, these guys are extreamly religious and wouldn't touch a porn site (let alone MTV) with a 10 foot stick...

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I don't see how this was an attack on video games. She was stating that terrorists are communicating in places that we either don't know to look for or are difficult to look for.

For instance, if she said criminals are hiding in crowded streets, that doesn't mean that she's condemning the people out in the streets. She's just stating the tricky tactics that the criminals are using.

Now what she wants to to do deal with this problem is another issue not mentioned in this article.

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And as always, in what appears to be a law of nature, the majority of adults will say "W3LL, SH3 W0RKS F0R TEH GUV'M3NT, UV C0URCE SH33Z TELLING TEH TROOTH, YUKYUK"

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Looks like someone needs to be reminded this ISN'T World War 2 and we're actually cool with Japan.

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Cool. Now they've found a way to blame terrorism on video games, the Internet and the nips.

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Yeah. In fact yestersay I posted saying "...If they can squeeze the word terrorist into an anti game report they would."  It's like I can see the future.  Or the complete obvious.

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Don't forget the Japanese as well

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i'm still waiting for the "hackers on steroids" bit...
Wonder if they'll blame 4-ch too

Re: Republican Congresswoman Claims Terrorists Communicating

I hope you get backraided.

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How the hell do terrorists know japanese???

Is she insane?

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I'm prety sure you;ll find that japan polices their internets quite well. just because those dumbasses in whatever country's english spoken as a first language intelligence agency. can't read whats on screen... honestly!

 

who's fault is that exactly?

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Lol i wonder were the goverment officials get these notions from, it's reminding me a bit of Mao Zedongs China were the enemy of the state change once a month. Only now it's the location of the "terrorists". "Better keep little Timmy away from those pesky japanese websites, I heard they make you a terrorist!" "naa i heard they were in afganistan" "wasn't it irak?" "I heard terrorist hide poison in the letters" The american modern history is as entertaining as a southpark episode in it's own right.

Re: Republican Congresswoman Claims Terrorists Communicating

Obviously she's referring to Kotaku.

Terroroits, the lot of 'em.

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Aaawww, look who's mad because he can't post comments on Kotaku!

j/k

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*Terrorists, rather.

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Why exactly is everyone poo-pooing her assertions?  So she didn't offer details - are we to expect that include specifics about intelligence collection strategies in her speech?   That wouldn't make a whole lot of sense (especially since it'd probably be classified).  We're left with her assertion - terrorists are using the internet to communicate.  Is there anyone that *doesn't* believe that?  She says they use Japanese gaming sites - can anyone disprove that?  It doesn't sound very likely, but I have no information that sheds any light on this one way or another.

So, before we go mocking her just because she's in Congress (nobody in Congress knows anything about the internet, right?), maybe we ought to put our prejudices away for once and think critically.

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There are many many ways to transfer encrypted data over the internet. Anyone who thinks they can stop that is just foolish. Looking for sensitive data is a very needle in a haystack affair. Your only hope if the 'terrists' scare you so much is to hope that the NSA/GCHQ has better cracking methods than the public do. (Almost assuredly I would imagine.)

Personally I soon as I hear the word terrorist these days I roll my eyes andwonder what the speakers real agenda is. Usually simple fearmongering at the best of time verging towards civil rights erosion at the worst.

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You can't seriously be defending this garbage statement. 

How about, we're "poo-pooing her assertions" because her assertions are obviously incorrect?

She did indeed offer details. She offered specific details without any corroberative information to back up her claims. Why Japanese? Why videogames? Why pornographic websites? Why not just say 'Jihadists are potentially using the internet and certain websites as a tool to share training videos and propaganda' and leave it at that? No, she went on in great detail without any reason or justification for that very specific finger-pointing. 

Also, classified information? Talk about jumping the track on the logic train. I mean, you could explain away ANYTHING that a politician says by assuming that they're not saying everything because it could be "classified".

Why do you feel that it is neccesary to re-interpret what she's said? Remember, this is a politician we're talking about. It's not like using language to her advantage is new to her, it's her freaking job.

So, in short, yes I will continue to mock. Not "just because she's in congress", but because she's a misinformed idiot in a position of power that is clearly not taking her role in society seriously.

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How about, we're "poo-pooing her assertions" because her assertions are obviously incorrect?

How do you know?

Why Japanese? Why videogames? Why pornographic websites?

Why not?  I'd imagine it'd be easier to use someone else's website - especially a site with a legitimate reason to exist - rather than set up your own forum with "Don't look at this super-secret terrorist forum!" splashed all over it.  And why do you complain that she's offering some specifics?  Would you rather her say "terrorists are using the internets!" or "Terrorists have used Japanese gaming websites in such and such a way?"  And if she does offer the latter, more detailed statement, do you really want her to say "...and I know this because the NSA has guys who go hacking these sites using the following means..."? 

Also, classified information? Talk about jumping the track on the logic train. I mean, you could explain away ANYTHING that a politician says by assuming that they're not saying everything because it could be "classified".

Sorry - that's a non sequitur.  Just because lots of things can be explained by "classified information" doesn't mean that nothing should be explained that way.  As I said, if you're at all security-conscious, you don't want politicians revealing classified information, a la Karl Rove.

Why do you feel that it is neccesary to re-interpret what she's said? Remember, this is a politician we're talking about. It's not like using language to her advantage is new to her, it's her freaking job.

So, in short, yes I will continue to mock. Not "just because she's in congress", but because she's a misinformed idiot in a position of power that is clearly not taking her role in society seriously.

I'm not reinterpreting.  I'm taking what she said at face value.  You, sir, are reinterpreting, based on your supposition that "...she's a misinformed idiot...clearly not taking her role in society seriously."  My point is, neither you or GP has any information (at least not presented here) on which to base a claim that she's wrong.  

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Well you may be right, but it is not clear how she came to the conclusion that terrorists are using Japanese websites. I agree she does make a point how terrorists can use the internet; however, without a name of a specific website that could be linked to terrorism her words are nothing but baseless conjecture. If you want to prove something you are going to need evidence. That's all I have to say on the matter.

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Based on the way she spoke, I don't think she has a clue what she is on about. I would place a sizeable bet on it.

She listed 3 things (Foreign nation, video games, pornography) that get the average uniformed voter going, it's fairly obious that she is pandering to what people want to hear.

 

 

 

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<shrug>  Well, I can't do much about ingrained biases.  Believe what you will.

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So, it's "bias" until we agree with you?

<shrug> indeed.

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:) Nope.  It's just "bias" when you draw conclusions without any supporting evidence.  Since (I believe) we have no evidence to prove her right or wrong, we can't draw any conclusions, including the conclusions that's she's an idiot, she's fearmongering, or that she's wrong.

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No it's really not being biased to be skeptical of people making outlandish claims without offering any proof. It's called being rational.

 

As I don't even live in the USA, I have no bias. I'm just going on what she said.

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Ignore Folic

Obivously thinks it's his job to defend every bullshit scare tactic used by the GOP, or explain it, or find a reason for it instead of acknowledging that these kinds of accusations amount to a pile of horseshit since, as a House member on a committee that has nothing to do with security, or e-commerce, she has ZERO access to the kinds of intelligence that would support these accusations, and since it was more than a FRIGGIN YEAR AGO, she is making claims that no one else in our intelligence community or Congress ever made, or ever would with a straight face.

And Folic's answer is- "She could be right." 

Keep responding to batshit crazy talk like this as if there could be any truth to it, because you expose yourself everytime you do.  And keep defending your party no matter what they do (oh lemme guess, you're an independent now, not a repub anymore after W lol).   This is nonsense, but you defend it because there's a freaking (R) next to her name.

I called Tipper Gore an ahole for her efforts in the 90's.  When are you jerkoffs going to start choosing your country over your party, because your party, "my friend" is a freaking trainwreck.

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Actually, I'm sure it's alarming to everyone when a member of Congress seemingly is attacking our hobby. It's so typical, our knee-jerk reaction is to instantly denounce the usually self-serving legislator. In this case, while the examples utilized seems to be another attack, continuing to the following paragraph in her speech may make her position a bit more reasonable:

In order to shut down jihadists on the Internet, our laws need to be brought into the 21st century. We must amend our laws so our intelligence services can monitor foreign users hosting their Web sites on U.S. servers if there is just cause. We need to make sure our laws are updated to the same speed as the advances in technology. We also need to add more tech savvy intelligence officers, who have a background in Arabic languages, to the CIA and FBI.

Now, what kind of changes to the laws (which have already been gutted without subtlety or seemingly any forethought) is another debate. What kind of hiring practices and policies of our intelligence operations is another debate. Otherwise, this speech seems to be more a call to obtain support for an updating of our anti-terrorism operations as opposed to a call for restrictions on video games. There may be cause for alarm if it's more Big Brother watching every single file transfer, but I don't think this speech is that substantive.

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Good points - thanks for that.  I didn't really interpret her speech as attacking gaming so much as she was just mentioning "gaming websites" as a coincidental item to the real point - terrorists use the internet to communicate.

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I think a lot of it has to do with the source. Remember the GOP's new slogan: "The Republican Party, makin' you scared of shit we make up since Lincoln stopped being associated directly with us".

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Um, on what evidence is she basing these claims on?  Did she see a trailer for MGS4?  Maybe a gameplay video of COD4?  Er, nevermind that last one.  That Japanese don't like FPS games.

It sounds just like fearmongering to me.  And what better escapegoat that the internet and videogames, two forms of technology I doubt most of our old, crusty politicians really understand.  I don't think I'm exaggerating either.  "Series of tubes".  'Nuff said.

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Is she refering to torrent sites (large amount of traffic and file sizes)? Those are littered with porn ads.

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Someone must have swapped her anti-coocoo pills with a bag of Skittles.

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Hmm, any think politicians should have to pass a written exam on current technology and the internet before they are allowed to give fearmongering speeches.

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Why Japanese?

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I suspect that she's referring to 2chan, albeit in a very roundabout fashion - she may be assuming that all the *chans are Japanese, even if they have English content.

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Two words:  Tenticle Porn

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Ahh  yes Sue Myrick,  the Representative from Charlotte, NC.   By the way, she's a nut case,  we elect her to congress so she doesn't live in this county nor run for local offices.   Charlotte gets rid of it's nutcase politicians by sending them to Washington or Raleigh.

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But wouldn't intelligence operatives be able to access anything they think is linked to terroists? That is like telling cops that they must keep the city safe, but they are not allowed to go into certain districts becasue there are porn shops and hookers.

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This is government, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they officially can't go onto pornagraphic sites.

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This lady is a misguided person who is obviously not getting her gaming industry lobbyist gifts as promise...she is only pushing the bush agenda against the world...

If she were really concerned she would be shutting down piratebay and all the mainstream torrent sites if she was serious.  Those sites present more problems to movie and gaming industries than can be sufficiently addressed here.  And certainly harbor problematic folks uploading god-knows-what.

I live and work in Japan though I am in US on biz right now.  I can tell you there is no love for jihad on japanese game sites...there is only love for the game.  Outsiders causing trouble would quickly get bumped or reported.

I lived before in ARab world, was married to a muslim.  We have since divoriced.  However, while I know local men in our town over there would have loved to see Madonna's breasts they would faint or not be able to handle real porn in any way... it is laughable to think jihadists cruise porn download sites... Just MHO...

KOMAJI

http://jbunnyplanet.com/JAV-porn/  http://www.juicybunny-dvd.com/store/

 

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Remember the flap a few years back when the FBI forced dozens of porn sites including Suicide Girls to take down pictures or shut down entirely? Government workers aren't allowed to surf porn while they're being paid to do government work. Law enforcement, however, is another matter entirely. When the SG takedown happened, there were unproven claims that the FBI had more people dedicated just to reviewing porn sites for proof of age violations than they had to catching domestic terrorists.

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GP, you know what she meant when she said the thing about government workers being forbidden from accessing pornagraphic sites.

What she is saying is probably somewhat true, but her solutions will be idiotic and shortsighted.

 
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