Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

July 31, 2008 -

Video game industry consultant Vincent Scheurer (left), speaking the Develop conference in Brighton, warned that future game bans were possible in the UK.

As reported by gamesindustry.biz, Scheurer said:

The costs of the Manhunt 2 ban to RockStar were massive - an independent developer would be out of business... Call of Duty and BioShock could be banned under that criteria [that applied to Manhunt 2]… The next game to be banned could be BioShock 2, and then where would we be?

 

...It makes the business of making games that much harder.

Scheurer also spanked ELSPA boss Paul Jackson for praising the Manhunt 2 ban:

While we fail to fight back we will continue to be blamed for all of societies ills… In my view [European game developers group] Tiga was the only association to step up… Tiga realised, where the other's didn't, that this was about more than Manhunt 2.

Gamezine has more on Scheurer's remarks...

And GameSpot UK has even more...

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Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

Nintendo is indeed selling SOME of these on the Virtual Console but not even close to all of them. While i agree in part to his piracy he was filling a market that Nintendo failed to recognize. Maybe someone doesnt want to buy a Wii. maybe they just want a console with 50 - 100 NES games on them?? maybe just maybe?

but no Nintendo wants everyone araba kiralama to buy the Wii. thats their excuse but thats not what copyright is supposed to protect. i am real sure that the makers of 10 yard fight were losing sleep because they were missing out on their $0.00025 worth because they didnt get royalties from this player. *smirk*

my question is, should Super Mario Bros. be banned from public domain forever? isnt 23 years enough time for Nintendo to have made their profits?

If you have followed the Steamboat Willie case regarding Mickey Mouse you can rest in your bed well at night knowing that the MOUSE will still be under copyright law, away from public domain after your great grandchildren are in nursing homes. That is beyond ridiculous dont you think??

Gallagher can araç kiralama say all he wants, but I strongly rent a car believe it's due to his crappy leadership and E3 being a joke. ESA's Board of Directors need to find a way to get out rent a car of this horrid contract with this Bush cronie before there's no one left on the Board.

Btw, I think Atari and Midway will drop out too, but mostly travesti because  these guys have done nothing ttnet vitamin or little and need to start saving costs.

YES.

Now I don't have to get off my ass for the important shit anymore!

Whats next, ordering pizza from Xbox live?

Wait... I think that sounds like a good idea.

But I think voting should MAKE you get off your ass, and see outside or a second while you go vote. I mean, your picking the president of the United States of America for God's Sake... least you can do is drive down there and punch out a card.

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

Erik wrote: "Firstly, I proudly consider myself one of the "American BBFC Hate force.  You liking it  or it "working" is a really moot point."

Rubbbish, we Brits liking our own BBFC and thinking it works, is EXACTLY the point.

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

Your point being?  Liking censorship doesn't mean that it isn't still censorship.  Book burners like burning books.

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

We both support censorship, even for over 18s. Kiddie porn, for example.

Doesn't it twig with you that none of the UK GPers are anti-BBFC? We're all comfortable with it. It has been shown time and again that it doesn't affect our civil liberties.

Do you really have that low an opinion of the UK that you think we want some totaliatrian state where we can be told what we should watch? Try and understand that we have a system we like. You have a system you like. Everyone is happy.

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

"We both support censorship, even for over 18s. Kiddie porn, for example."

 

Strawman.  You see kiddie porn is illegal due to its creation there is an illegal activity happening.  Ergo: apples and oranges

 

"Doesn't it twig with you that none of the UK GPers are anti-BBFC? We're all comfortable with it. It has been shown time and again that it doesn't affect our civil liberties."

 

It is an oddity I must admit.  That everyone seems to be passive to it as though they were cattle.  But in say, cannibalistic societies it wouldn't be unheard that none of them would find fault with eating people.

 

"Do you really have that low an opinion of the UK that you think we want some totaliatrian state where we can be told what we should watch?"

 

Well yes actually.  You seem to support that with your statement that there are no UK GPers which are anti-BBFC.

 

"Try and understand that we have a system we like. You have a system you like. Everyone is happy."

 

We have a system I like?  Well that is news to me.  Between the FCC, scaremongering senators, and massacare chasing lawyers I can say that I loathe our current system.  I may have a low opinion of how the UK does things, but I have an equally low opinion about how the US does things.

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

Good thing you have that gun of yours, I wish your insurrection well.

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

Don't be fooled, Erik hates everything. I can't recall him being happy about anything.

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

I see the usual American 'BBFC Hate Crowd' are out in force.

We like it, it works, go away and suck on your Patriot Act and your cultural reliance on guns to make yourselves feel better.

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

Firstly, I proudly consider myself one of the "American BBFC Hate force.  You liking it  or it "working" is a really moot point.

Secondly, it is because of shit like the Patriot act that makes reliance on gun ownership a must.  Read your history books.  When a government disarms a people it is never for reasons of violent crime.  Rather it is to make the people subservient and harmless to them.   Godwining:  Hitler supported gun control.  Can't have the Jewish people defending themselves now can we?

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

We hate the Patriot act as well. It should never have passed and those who supported and voted for it are getting their just desserts.

You also seem to think that owning a gun is a bad thing.

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Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

"You also seem to think that owning a gun is a bad thing."

Again this is a cultural thing. The general feeling in the UK is in favour of firearm controls but that is not a debate worth going into

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

That was a low blow, CW, and not befitting of your usual standards. I do, however share your frustrations.

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Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

Apologies SticKboy, I was in a bad mood and reading the replies in this thread just tipped me over.

My apologies to all or any who felt offended.

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

"Call of Duty and BioShock could be banned under that criteria [that applied to Manhunt 2]"

Well, they clearly weren't, so he's talking utter drivel.

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

The point is all it takes is a mindset change in goverment or the BBFC and it very well could.

This is why the ban stick that the BBFC has is so important, you jsut do not want goveremnt having that much power, look at austrila and newzeland.......

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Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

WHAT!! I do hope that when (and if to a degree) Bioshock 2 comes to be released in the UK that this horrible event does not occur! Now I think many like me did not care presonally too much about Manhunt 2's ban, but of course on the bigger issue of censorship is bad, we all cared as part of the greater good. Of course Bioshock on the other hand is a game much more cared about, and it will be a disgrase is such a horrible action were to take place. Of course it depends on how the rest of Europe acts. As say France didn't give a damn about it, well then there would be massive numbers of people importing it from our neighbors!

But unfortuantly I am becomign increasingly worried about the state of game ratings in this country...

 

(Damn Labour trying to control what we do!!)

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

 

Absolutions are bad, bans are near absolutions the ban structure needs to be changed in the UK instead of banning slot unrated to 18, and then slot questionable stuff to 18 or 18R and be done with it, mainstream pubs will try harder to not cross the line when their media is as restricted as porn.. at least with 18R thre is wiggle roo for adults tog et the product.

 

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Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

I dislike censorship, given the games they are baning, it seems more like quality control.

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

 

I don’t really have a problem banning unrated material however I think it would be better if you labeled it as unrated and make it a default 18 just to streamline the process a bit because it’s 18 and bound by age laws retail shops will do their best to keep it from minors.

 

The problem with banning is it does not work people still get the product some get their mail order confiscated by anal thinking censorbots, its wastes time and money when a title is brought to court, it is just cumbersome and moot process to generally protect adults from alterative “thinking”.

 

As I have said before the BBFC could easily be perfect if they streamlined the process funnel “duck” games(if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck it’s a duck) and re-reviews into simple submitted material that a rating is based on if a further full review is needed then so be it but most games are not going to need contrived scrutiny as the review process, for games that push things to far send a message to the industry and label them 18R so what if it can only be sold in sex shops or shops that handle adult stuff the point has been made and either the pubs will re roll it or let it stand and lose sales money from limit sales, to ban it shows the immaturity that most uptight sheltered busy bodies have, banning simple should not be used post rating.

 

If you cannot understand that banning is a bad thing just wait till the government decides its something it wants to use to actively “protect” the masses with, instead of banning things unrated by the BFC should get a automatic 18 since the 18 range stuff is bounded by law everything clicks making it better for the populace.

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Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

of course we should also be careful of any people here that might be trying to use scare tactics.

 

Try to think before you act is also important

 

also no one mentioned any BoiShock 2, although it might have been used as a reference.

 

 

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

The point here, and I think it's a very valid one, is that vigilance isn't something to be applied selectively. Choosing to let a ban against Manhunt 2 stand without a fight because it's Rockstar, and it's kind of a half-assed game anyway, can have very serious repercussions down the road, such as that cited by this hypothetical - totally hypothetical - ban against BioShock 2. Simplistically put, if Manhunt 2 is banned for a particular set of criteria, and BioShock 2 overlaps that criteria, it could not only be banned as a result but the industry's ability to fight the ban would be somewhat straightjacketed by its choice to go along with similar, earlier bans.

The fact the ELSPA didn't dig in its heels over Manhunt 2 is disturbing. It means the agency either doesn't take its responsibilities seriously, or is blissfully ignorant about the long-term impact of its decisions. Either way, it's bad news.

 

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

<blockquote>The fact the ELSPA didn't dig in its heels over Manhunt 2 is disturbing. It means the agency either doesn't take its responsibilities seriously, or is blissfully ignorant about the long-term impact of its decisions. Either way, it's bad news.</blockquote>

Sadly the same can be said of the ESA here in the US. They just don't seem to understand the long-term impact of anything they do.

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

You Gamers and Game Developers in the UK should stand up and fight the Government and their BBFC for trying to ban ANY game.

 

If one game is banned, others will follow and more and more developers will suffer from costly legal proceedings of trying to overturn BBFC's decision

 

You need to protect the thing more important in your life,

 

and you all need to let other people know that there IS a working rating system that DOES describe what is in every game...

 

Of course the rating systems of the BBFC and the PEGI can be imporoved, but please don't resort of banning one game all because some people in the BBFC decided that it was not suitable for adults to play.

 

If you lose this battle, then you will get closer and closer to the laws of Australia

 

And I know because I live in Australia.

 

 

 

 

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

There is no sign the UK is moving towards an Australian style system, infact I would say it is more likely that your system will end up being liberalised.

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

Also "Next" implies there has ever been a game banned in the UK.  There hasn't.  Ever.  Those refused classification were overturned on appeal.  If you are going to ridicule Jack Thompson for claiming victory with 2 Live Crew in one breath and then claim Manhunt 2 was banned in the UK with the next, that is purely hypocracy.

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

A ban for a day is still a ban. The fact that the release date was pushed back to compensate for the appeals process does not register as a ban to you?

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Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

No, no it doesn't.  Next question?

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

Its not that the release date was pushed back, it was pushed back indefinately depending on the result of the apeal. The fact that it could not be released as scheduled because the BBFC refused to classify it, comes accross to me as a ban although temporary but possibly permanent.

Let me expound a bit:

Rockstar: Makes Manhunt 2

BBFC: Rufuses classification

UK Law: Unclassified games are banned from sale.

Rockastar: Appeales to VAC

VAC: Manhunt 2 should be classified.

BBFC: Still won't classify it.

UK: Law: Unclassified games are banned from sale.

Rockstar: Appeals to high court.

High Court: VAC should take a second look.

VAC: Manhunt 2 should be classified.

BBFC: Fine. Here's you rating classification.

UK Law: Classified games can be sold.

Right up to the point that the BBFC gave in and gave in a rating classification the game was banned from sale. That is a ban in my book.

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Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

So when a restraining order was initially issued to prevent the distribution of the Mini-Me sex tape you would consider that a ban too?

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

What are your porn laws? I am more familiar with the way the UK handles games than I am with the way they handle porn. But if they are barring the video from distribution, that is a form of banning yes.

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Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

Nothing down to porn laws, its a matter of ownage rights. Long story short, A porn distributor got their mits on the Verne Troyer sex tape and a clip of it got posted onto TMZ with the distributor intending to sell the footage to the public. Troyer's lawyers got involved and successfully got a restraining order applied to prevent the sale and distribution of the video until such times as a judgement was made as to whether it could be released and who owned the rights to the tape. Thus pushing the video passed the release date.

In that situation would you consider that a ban?

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

So how does this apply to the Manhunt 2 situation? What you just described was the owner of the tape stopping release of his property, not the government stopping release of his tape.

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Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

The point I am making is that until such times as the ownership of the tape can be determined the court barred sale or distribution. From the courts perspective it is unknown who the rightful owner is and until that determination can be fully ascertained the material should not be put into circulation. You are running on the assumption that the plantiff was right all along. It is reported it was his Ex who owned the tape and she sold it to SugarDVD. If we were to say at the end of this court case it turns out the rights to the tape were the Ex's and was subsequently released then would you have considered the restraining order a ban?

I suppose the point I am making is that a restraining order could be issued to block the release of something until a series of conclusions can be drawn. Same thing with the BBFC and Rockstar, the process was still ongoing and thus the game could not be released until the process was completed and a determination could be made.

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

And again we get back to the point that BBFC <> government.  *sigh*  You'd think after about 100 times of shouting it, posting articles, links, official websites, breakdowns of who funds the BBFC and how it works you MIGHT understand that little fact.

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

Yet we get back to the point that what the BBFC says has full weight of law behind it.

The BBFC may not be the government, but that does not negate the fact that when they refuse classification of a game, the game cannot be sold within the UK.

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Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

"The BBFC may not be the government, but that does not negate the fact that when they refuse classification of a game, the game cannot be sold within the UK."

Excellent.  I'm glad we can agree on the distinction.

Incidently, do you have any control over GP's registering of Usernames?  I've not had a confirmation email yet after 24 hours...

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

"Rockstar: Makes Manhunt 2

BBFC: Rufuses classification

UK Law: Unclassified games are banned from sale.

Rockastar: Appeales to VAC

VAC: Manhunt 2 should be classified.

BBFC: Still won't classify it."

You were correct up this point, but actually what happened was that the BBFC appealed against the VAC's decision, not Rockstar.  The VAC were told to come back with a decision which they did and at that point the BBFC accepted the decision (however grudgingly) and the game got an 18 cert.

"Right up to the point that the BBFC gave in and gave in a rating classification the game was banned from sale. That is a ban in my book."

By extension of that logic, ALL games are banned in the UK until they get a rating...

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

By extension of that logic, ALL games are banned in the UK until they get a rating...

That is not what I am saying and you know it. All games are scheduled to be released until they get a rating. It is when a game cannot meet its scheduled release date and may never meet that, that is banning a game. It does not matter that there is the possiblity of appeal and that the ruling can be overturned. The fact is the ban was there and could have stayed indefinately. That is the problem.

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Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

"That is not what I am saying and you know it."

Whether it is or it isn't is irrelevent.  If you are going to suggest that it is a ban up to the point a game doesn't have a rating then you have to accept that any delay in getting the rating from the moment the game is ready for release is considered to be a ban by the criteria you are laying out.

"It is when a game cannot meet its scheduled release date and may never meet that, that is banning a game."

There are also a multitude of reasons for a game not being released.  Would you say that a publisher is banning a game from release when they put it back so it comes out during a holiday period?  Afterall, you can't buy it legally until then.

"It does not matter that there is the possiblity of appeal and that the ruling can be overturned. The fact is the ban was there and could have stayed indefinately[sic]. That is the problem."

Just because you say it doesn't make it so.  Think of it like a court case.  At first the Police decide whether or not to charge someone.  If they do decide to charge them, they can admit guilt or they can take it to trial.  They are not found guilty until the court case is over.  The decision by the BBFC to not give a rating was taken with previous moral decisions in mind and they thought they were doing the right thing.  Rockstar were allowed to appeal to the VAC and ultimately the BBFC were shown to be wrong.

If anything, the Manhunt 2 debacle will have an effect on the BBFC by letting them know that the line they thought was crossed is actually much further away then they first realised.  The next time someone pushes the boundaries, those boundaires either be crossed or set again.  This is much like Films that were banned in the 1950's that these days have got a U release because society and morals have moved on.  It should also be pointed out that were PEGI in charge, they would be expected to make similar moral judgements in line with UK law.

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

Since you like this court analogy, I'll swing with it.

Say a man was arrested and charged with a crime he didn't commit. The Prosecution however made a compelling case and the judge ruled that he was guilty and was going to jail. He decides t oappeal the ruling and starts the process. During this process, he is still in jail and is still considered guilty according to the court. The final appeal process finally goes through and the new court rules in his favor and finds him not guilty.

Now was this guy never ruled guilty and never spent time in jail? According to you, it never happened and he was always innocent and free.

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Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

Actually yes.  The law in Britain holds that anyone convicted of a crime ceases to have ever been guilty of it, should it be overturned in retrial or appeal. As can be seen in current events in the UK.

 

So using that analogy, yes the game was never banned, it was merely inconvenienced for a short time.

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

You are right. He now has a clean record and that original conviction will not be held against him any time in the future. But that does not erase the fact that at one point he was covicted and spent months possibly years in jail under the false conviction while awaiting appeal.

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Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

Incorrect.  Under this analogy, the VAC would have found in the BBFC's favour against Manhunt 2 and Rockstar.  In these circumstances it would stand that the game had breached the moral code that allowed the game to be released in the UK in its current form.  This DIDN'T happen in this circumstance, nor any other in the history of the BBFC rating games.

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

I think you missed something in my analogy. The original ruling was the BBFC. The Appeals ruling was the VAC. How hard was that to interpret?

Let me also ask you this, was Rockstar free to distribute Manhunt 2 during the appeals process? After all, their original release date would have fallen within that period.

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Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

I know, let's recycle all our old arguements again and again and chase this topic round in circles shall we?

I refer you to the responses elsewhere about how getting a rating is a process that doesn't end with the BBFC and how trying to suggest it is banned just because their precious release date was missed doesn't mean that it has been banned.

Infact your point is again largely moot as MONTHS after the ruling was made in favour of Rockstar, they STILL haven't released Manhunt 2 here.  It's release date is currently 29/09/2008.

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

Holy shit! Your right! I never actually realised R* hadn't actually released it over here yet. I assumed they got it out the door asap.

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

My bad,  29/08/2008.  August, not September.

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

How about tacking this one I posted earlier, which I believe it more accurate.

So when a restraining order was initially issued to prevent the distribution of the Mini-Me sex tape you would consider that a ban too?

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

Going by the logic used against you EZK it could be said that if a person who was convicted of a crime and found guilty were let out on APPEAL then that person must not have been guilty to begin with or never served any time...

The game was banned. Not permanently to be sure. But it was banned. Refusal of a classification is not the same as not assigning a classification because you haven't gotten the game yet.

Re: Game Biz Guru: Bioshock 2 Next to be Banned in UK?

"Going by the logic used against you EZK it could be said that if a person who was convicted of a crime and found guilty were let out on APPEAL then that person must not have been guilty to begin with or never served any time..."

That IS how the law works here...  if you are convicted of a crime, and the conviction is quashed at re-trial or appeal then technically you were officially NEVER guilty of that crime.

 

Here let me pop that into your pipe for you and give you a light...

 
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Andrew EisenGhostbusters! My favorite movie.11/22/2014 - 10:21pm
Wonderkarpthough not strictly games. I have Lightsabers mounted on the wall, and on a shelf you'll see the Infinity Gauntlet, the Ocarina of Time, a Sith Holocron, and some of my Ghostbusters Props11/22/2014 - 8:57pm
Wonderkarpswag of all kinds, Andrew. I'm trying to build a game room as impressive as AVGNs nerd room. I'm also trying to build a coffee table/storage space shaped like a NES Controller11/22/2014 - 8:55pm
E. Zachary KnightI need new controllers for my Gamecube. Its not everyday you can get brand new 1st party controllers.11/22/2014 - 8:51pm
Andrew EisenPredominately figurines or swag of all kinds?11/22/2014 - 8:37pm
WonderkarpI would like a new gamecube controller....but I also just like gaming swag....11/22/2014 - 8:32pm
Andrew EisenI'm just waiting to buy a new Gamecube controller for my Gamecube.11/22/2014 - 7:15pm
Wonderkarphttp://kotaku.com/smash-bros-gamecube-adapters-sold-out-online-prices-g-1662162871 Smash Bros Gamecube adapter sold out, online prices go nuts11/22/2014 - 6:50pm
Andrew EisenI bet there's a lovely comedy of errors surrounding that list's journey to the IGDA's page!11/22/2014 - 6:49pm
Andrew EisenAnd the fact that it was curated by some random person on Twitter should have been another.11/22/2014 - 6:48pm
Andrew EisenYep, it's pretty clear that whoever at the IGDA grabbed that list, didn't look at it first. I think the fact that there's over 10,000 names on it should have been a bit of a red flag.11/22/2014 - 6:44pm
Wonderkarppenguin books is on the list. wow.11/22/2014 - 6:43pm
Wonderkarpthats better, though I'd prefer something a little more than a simple tweet, I'll take it.11/22/2014 - 6:37pm
Andrew EisenKate Edwards' Twitter: "like people, tools are imperfect; we've removed it for now."11/22/2014 - 6:35pm
Andrew EisenHard to say with any certainty but it appears it at least understands the tool didn't do what it thought it did.11/22/2014 - 6:34pm
 

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