Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

August 5, 2008 -

Esquire's Stephen Marche waxes philosophical on the nature of violence in American media - and especially in Grand Theft Auto IV:

Purification through violence has always been one of America’s central political mythologies, created and nurtured by figures as diverse as George Washington, John Brown, Malcolm X, and Dick Cheney. It’s the necessary inheritance, perhaps, of a revolutionary nation’s birth in blood... Obsessed with violence and terrified of sex: That’s practically the definition of American culture...

 

With the fourth installment of Grand Theft Auto, the series has finally achieved cultural normalcy -- at least none of the usual hypocrites has started whining yet. The game is a perfect expression of violence without restraint... Grand Theft Auto is comedy purified: a safe alternate world in which to break the law as profoundly and as often as you like. It’s the up-to-the-minute form of a primordial joy, a kind of digital Valhalla. Kill with nobody dying. Steal with nobody losing. Repeat for eternity.

 


Comments

Re: Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

I'm all for freedom of ttnet vitamin speech and allowing rent a car game makers to put whatever they want in games, but there's one thing about this app that has me scratching my head.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but from araç kiralama the previous article araba kiralama on this I gathered that players can use Google maps in-game to find the other (real-life?) dealers in their area.  If this is the case, has travesti anyone considered what's stopping someone from using this app to actually move drugs between hands for reals?

But majority araba kiralama of their outrage araç kiralama stems from what it could DO TO children, not the content itself.  Talk to one of these people and you'll find they don't think any books kiralık araba should be banned from children.  Mention American Psycho and they talk about kiralık araç the redeeming value of using imagination to construct a story.  Reading, no matter what the content, is largely viewed as a consequenceless activity for people of any age.  The reason why I mention American Psycho is because of the content itself.  Gaming never has and likely never will have any scenes where someone has sex with a severed head.  Not gonna happen.  Yet despite this, they'll fight tooth and nail to protect their children from two boys kissing in Bully but whatever they read is harmless... yeah.

The entire arguement is kiralık oto based upon a social normality inflicted by luddites who can't figure out the controls for Halo so it's frightening and terrifying and obviously the cause of youth violence on the rise even though, in reality, it's in decline (which is actually a HUGE suprise given minibüs kiralama the economies status).  In  a perfect world, we would have parents that actually parent.  The idea of sales restrictions on media on oto kiralama any form to accomidate parental unwillingness to get involved with their child's life is the real problem to me.  Here I am, 32 years old, and being held up at a self-scan rent a car needing to show ID before I can buy a $10 M rated game all because Soccer Momthra can't be bothered to look at the crap Billy Genericallystupidson does in his free time.  It's too hard for her, so I have to suffer?

Re: Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

This may be a little off track, but that issue of Esquire has an article about the shooter who did the NIU shootings in Dekalb Illinois. I live near Dekalb. I haven't seen the article myself, but I was told they mention the shooter played video games. This is true to my knowlege. I know this becuase I used to see him in some video game stores around town. Funny thing is I never saw him pick up anything real violent when I saw him.

Like I said, off track, but I just figured I'd put this out here.

Re: Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

the usual hypocrites starting whining at least a year before it was released. 

Re: Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

The idea that the United States is currently a violent culture because of a centuries-old history born and steeped in a revered tradition of violence isn't far-fetched to me. Like what? Americans only began killing off each other yesterday?

Re: Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

Americans aren't inherently more violent than other people. In fact we are probably one of the more subdued peoples, do to our wealth.

Violence is an animal instinct, it is an evolutionary survival mechanism. If you want to be a human rather than an animal, you have to ignore your violent impulses, even when they are strongest.

Videogames provide a safe, non-violent environment to work out our violent animal impulses. Hazzah for that!

Re: Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

Not yesterday. It was the advent of Doom that got us started. If history were recorded properly and not rewritten every 5 years or so, we would know that the American Revolution was settled over tea and crumpets followed by cheese and crackers.

The Civil War was really not a war but a series of checkers matches resulting in the North winning the tournement.

World War I and II were actually an olympics of sorts consisting of boat races and competitive airshows resulting in the panel of judges ruling that the Allied forces were the better teams.

Real history would be nice if we would stop rewriting it to be so bloody and deadly.

E. Zachary Knight
http://www.editorialgames.com
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
MySpace Page: http://www.myspace.com/okceca
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1325674091

Re: Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

Each other, our neighbors, their neighbors, people who were here before we were, people who wouldn't sell to large railroad companies, people half way around the world, people south of us, people North of us, and people who weren't the same race or religion as us... Nope none of that happened before the introduction of GTA. [/ end sarcasm]

"The Good, the Bad, and Videogame"
Reviews on the best, worst, and controversial issues of Videogames.
gryphonosiris.blogspot.com/

"The Good, the Bad, and the Videogame" Reviews on the best, worst, and controversial issues of Videogames. gryphonosiris.blogspot.com/

Re: Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

On the line "obsessed with violence and terrified of sex" I still think that can be explained in a logical way, at least on the higher level. Sex hits closer to home. Couples may have sex a few times a week, but don't see people getting killed before their eyes or trucks exploding a whole lot (may be different for some of the military). That's all I'm trying to say. Why sex itself is a bad thing, I don't know, it varies. Even the most secular of all families are hit by the religious underpinnings on sexual situtations.

Re: Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

The whole article is a rather interesting read. That, and I didn't know you could blow up a virtual Museum of Natural History (that's the one with the fun stuff, the Met has paintings), sounds zanny. I love that cover too.

The whining started as soon as the game was announced in production, with some politicians claiming kids could get it already :P

Re: Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

Better than that, you get an achievement for it, Impossible Trinity.

Re: Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

"at least none of the usual hypocrites has started whining yet." huh?

Re: Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

Maybe he gets his news from television? McCain and Larry King have never used the Internet. Not everybody lives the same lives we do.

Re: Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

Exactly. Most were hwining but recently went quiet, and one looks for every opportunity to whine.

Re: Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

This guy just won the Internet!

I'd vote him king of the world....



"The Good, the Bad, and Videogame"
Reviews on the best, worst, and controversial issues of Videogames.
gryphonosiris.blogspot.com/

"The Good, the Bad, and the Videogame" Reviews on the best, worst, and controversial issues of Videogames. gryphonosiris.blogspot.com/

 
Forgot your password?
Username :
Password :

Shout box

You're not permitted to post shouts.
PHX Corphttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/iga/bloodstained-ritual-of-the-night/description apparently Bloodstained: ritual of the night will have a Wii U version(through Armature Games)05/26/2015 - 9:02pm
WonderkarpSo I found out I'm Invincible Today. I drove through a Tornado and didnt even know it. was windy and torrential downpour but I drove through like a boss. 05/26/2015 - 7:35pm
ZenEnded up giving the code to Andrew so he gets to be the other guinea pig lol.05/26/2015 - 6:53pm
ZenSo...who wants to help with an experiment and get a free game for 3DS and possibly Wii U lol? Gave a friend the Wii u OlliOlli code from the Humble Bundle and it gave him the 3DS one too. Still have a 3DS code which may give a Wii U version too.05/26/2015 - 4:35pm
Zenjust wish they had been as open about development as they were with X1 and PS4. All we got were interviews saying everything was great and then this lol.05/26/2015 - 4:14pm
ZenYeah, he brought it up again as time went on and stated it was not to be taken seriously. And I am in NO way defending people who are acting like...well....the not so nice way to say "butts". And I don't personally think they haven't worked on the game, I05/26/2015 - 4:12pm
Andrew EisenSo I can see why Bell would be ultra defensive and snippety. But, again, still not an advisable thing to say.05/26/2015 - 3:57pm
Andrew Eisennot to mention horrifically insulting.05/26/2015 - 3:56pm
Andrew EisenAgreed, even out of frustration, not an advisable thing to post. As for the rest, sounds like it thought its tweeks and optimizations would work. The idea that it was stringing everyone along and not actually working on it is nearly nonsensical...05/26/2015 - 3:55pm
Zenand looking great...yet refused to even show a single screen shot while touting their open development on X1 and PS4. People are now asking if they even worked on the game or if it was dropped in the beginning & they were keeping up appearances instead.05/26/2015 - 3:53pm
ZenI understand that, but making a blanket statement to cover an entire market like that will do nothing more than push consumers away or alienate a group. Other issues stem from the interviews and public announcements they made stating the game is running05/26/2015 - 3:52pm
Andrew EisenNot an advisable thing to post, I'll grant you.05/26/2015 - 3:47pm
Andrew EisenReading the thread, it looks like he's just getting frustrated with the obnoxious and unreasonable members of the board (most of whom signed up that day).05/26/2015 - 3:47pm
ZenNintendo users in general by stating "Yup, and if you need to pass this on, we really dislike Nintendo users." on their forum. Sincere or not, it's annoyed some fans & put doubt on the company even trying.05/26/2015 - 3:35pm
ZenThey pushed that even just a few months ago it was running great, with effects, but they just needed a few tweeks before release. I posted about this last night, but it has since cycled thru. Ian Bell also had some fairly disparaging things to say about05/26/2015 - 3:34pm
Matthew Wilson@AE @iamc they admired they cant do wiiu, and they have a valid reason for it. the wiiu is too weak.05/26/2015 - 3:24pm
Andrew EisenLied about what?05/26/2015 - 3:11pm
IanCThey outright lied, they kept pushing that it was coming out on Wii U right to they got a publisher, then went quiet. Funny that...05/26/2015 - 3:09pm
Matthew Wilsonhttp://www.vg247.com/2015/05/26/project-cars-struggling-to-hit-720p30fps-on-wii-u/ I love that he is honest. they admited that they are at their wits end with the wiius hardware.05/26/2015 - 1:48pm
E. Zachary KnightHumbleSupport has said the codes don't expire. So That is pretty tempting.05/26/2015 - 1:38pm
 

Be Heard - Contact Your Politician