You knew it was only a matter of time.
In the wake of reports that a 19-year-old Thai man murdered a cab driver after playing Grand Theft Auto, embattled Miami attorney Jack Thompson has written a menacing e-mail to the top executives of Take-Two Interactive, publisher of the controversial series.
In the e-mail to T2 chairman Strauss Zelnick and CEO Ben Feder (and copied to dozens of other people, including GamePolitics), Thompson writes:
I warned you both that copycat killings by teens would occur upon the release of Grand Theft Auto IV. Now my prediction has come true...
In addition to multiple written warnings, I told you of this coming mayhem in a face-to-face meeting with you, Mr. Zelnick, on Central Park West on May 15, 2007... I am working with authorities now... as well as other remedies against Take-Two for its reckless worldwide distribution of its murder simulation training products...This is just the latest killing incident prompted by your murder simulators. I aim to make it the last...
PS: The above latest copycat killing will help fuel federal legislation in the United States because of your company’s chronic marketing and sale of its mature-rated video games to minors. You are selling GTA IV, for example, to anyone of any age via the Internet.
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Jack, Jack, Jack.......Your still singing the same song over and over and over again!
"I'll sue ya...I'll take all your money...I'll sue ya...Even if you look at me funny...I'll sue ya"
Couldn't resist :D
YAY, first. Dammit knew this was gonna happen sooner or later.....
I think jack uses any chance he can to make video games look bad....
Like Jack, your claim turned out to be both premature and wrong. Oh, well. There'll always be other chances.
YAY, first.
HA! HA!
E. Zachary Knight
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Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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Any chance that the "authorities" that Jack's "working with" include the U.S. Marshal Service?
actually ill bet money those authorities are the local department of mental health
Naa, it is the FBI and the Secrete Service... They always check such things out and return his calls...
Yeah right, we all know that it just means he spammed them via phone, email, FAX, etc, and they ignored it like with all the other nuts who send them their ramblings & crazy conspiracy theories.
Wonder if he also submitted his doctored drivers license to them....
Hang on a second, isn't JT banned from taking any action against T2?
Yes. But if I was Jack, since they've made absolutely no attempt to enforce the terms of the Agreement despite his countless breaches thereof, I'd be ignoring it, too.
I noticed nobody's asked this important question yet: Since when is a 19 year old a minor?
Chris 'coldacid' Charabaruk <coldacid.net>
IGDA Indie SIG Coordinator, Programmer, Designer
In the mind of Jack Thompson since when does it matter? The guy could be 108 and Jack would still claim they were selling the game to a minor.
He's nineteen.
That's sadly all the reasoning Jack needs to make the claim that "teens are killing because of your murder simulator trainers" when it's more oft than not that when one hears or reads "teens" in most cases, the age range considered is 14-17.
And you know how Jack likes to play at being verbose.
and the fact you're legally considered an ADULT when you're 18.
Thats it. I've lost all sympathy for this man. He has prvoved once and for all that he will never change.
He continually makes these accusations knowing that he is full of crap. I sicerely hope this man suffers. If the authorities actually listen to this man, I'll be suprised.
I lost it the day the bodies weren't even counted yet and he went on live TV to attribute the Virginia Tech killings to Counter Strike. His complete lack of regard for the truth pales in comparison to his disregard for decency.
The more outragous his claims, the less creditability he retains.
Not to mention the panel report proved him wrong.
Same here, I was mildly disgusted by what he did in the past, but that was also where I "lost it" with this immoral and seriously demented individual who needs the law "tool" he likes to abuse permanently taken away.
As for the gaming side, I never really cared too much because of what a joke and failure he proved himself to be.
How is a 19 year old guy a minor? Even if there were a 100% effective ban on selling the game to anyone under the age of 18, it still wouldn't have stopped this.
Jack when will you learn....YOU CAN NOT BAN VIDEO GAMES IN THE US!!!!
GTA 4 are imported to Thailand or marketed by TAKE-TWO but by the game shops or via third-party so take that JACK!!!!!
also the GTA that are blame on the news are NOT GTA 4 but something unknown version that can be "play online"
GTA 4 are NOT imported to Thailand or marketed by TAKE-TWO sorry mistake earlier
Actually, GTA4 does have online play ^^;
yeah Iknow but what I trying to say is that earlier version of GTA as mention in the news doesn't online option
If you're really from Thailand, you know as well as I do that you can probably get a hold of a pirated copy around Pantip Plaza in Bangkok.
Having said that, I don't believe that this kid played it.
The question that is even bigger than "when is a 19y.o. a minor?" is When are the policies and laws of THAILAND applicable to the united states, and any other country for that matter?
It doesn't matter what his age is. He'll just claim that he's only 19 by age only, and by playing other video games, he retarded himself down to the mental age of 2.
You are disbarred from the Florida Bar
Also there is no proof of the 19 year old ever playing GTA IV since the game has not even been in Thiland yet.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Huh, what, oh, i feel asleep during his rant.
I also want an answer to the question. "When is a 19 y.o. a minor?
Or better yet, "When will Jack shut up?"
"This is just the latest killing incident prompted by your murder simulators. I aim to make it the last..."
HMm, well, I take that to mean he intends for more blood to be spilled to try and give his crusade more merit. I think I'll avoid Gamestop, Best Buy, Wal Mart or Target until I hear Thompson has been imprisoned or institutionalized, because frankly that statement scares the ever livign shit out of me. The Marshals better watch him more closeley.
It's kinda lost in the general JTing, but:
False claim, Take Two hasn't been marketing to minors, and any sales via internet retail websites would require a credit card - which is legally proof of either sufficent age, or parental permission.
-Gray17
But you have to remember, John Bruce does not understand law. Just because he has the title "Lawyer" does not mean that he understands law. He is an idiot when it comes to law comprehension.
He even had that part of the law pointed out to him by Take Two who linked him directly to that portion of the FTC's website. Yet he still claims they are breaking some kind of law.
E. Zachary Knight
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Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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Never let the facts get in the way of a witch hunt.
If we push GTA off a cliff and it flies off it proves its a witch, if it doesn't then well, whoops.
I know, just pointing out the error for any that may have missed the correction before.
And I don't think that Jack's problem is that he doesn't understand law, it's that his reasoning ability in general is damaged. The scariest thing about the Kellogg and Cardenas was looking at some of the reasoning he used to come up with his slander.
-Gray17
"But you have to remember, John Bruce does not understand law. Just because he has the title "Lawyer" does not mean that he understands law. He is an idiot when it comes to law comprehension."
... or logic, or reason, or ...
I could go on. :P
He also announced that the Florida Bar is expected to issue him a formal apology this week. Proof the man is pretty much living on another plane of reality.
This guy must spend all day posting on the JAAblog, monitoring GP, and typing out press releases, faxes, & emails. I wonder how he fits in time for all that gay porn he apparently likes to look for...
Oh? Where did he post this? I missed that assertion.
I am no math expert but isn't 19 higher than 17 the rating a Mature Title has?
Yes, it is.
You ever get the feeling there's a script somewhere that generates Jack-emails? Some little VB thing that accepts 1) name of game 2) date 3) target 4) brief desc of pseudo-current-event; and generates a grandiose email threatening to tear down the walls of heaven around the sinners?
The above latest copycat killing will help fuel federal legislation in the United States
Since when did any routine crime that happens in another country ever had a big influence on what laws we put in place here in the US?
"HAY GUIS SOME GUY IN ROMANIA GOT HIS HEAD CHOPPED OFF WITH A KATANA WE SHOULD BAN KATANAS RITE HERE"
It does not matter to Jack.
Ol' Jackie Boy has to have a last hurrah since he's gonna lose his licence. He is just jumping in withoutknowing all the facts. And really I think Jackie Boy has forgotten some basic law, A 19 year old minor? and more importantly.........Jurisdiction. All you have to do is say GTA or T2 entertainment and you'vepulled his string. Seriously Jackie Boy you've mucked up our courts....why do you want to embarrassyourself in the international court.
Let me guess............. it was divine inspiration??? Your legal antics all sound like the fair game policy usedby the Church of Scientology. Do you revere UFOs Jackie??????????
With his office in Clearwater, and his general behaviour, I too have questioned his ties to Scientology.
I have been to Ocala, which I think is nearby. In my minds eye I picture Clearwater as a complete and total Scieno stronghold, without any civilians. How far off base am I?
So Jack, how's the Florida Bar treating you these days?
Man, what a disgusting human being. Sorry but I have no respect for people who make careers out of exploiting tragedies to further their own agenda.
I second that.
In Thailand, the age of majority is 20, so this guy was legally a minor.
Also this article needs more mention of disbarment for life.
Its so funny "I warned you that there would be copycat killings..."
No crap shirlock, I mean really, there are people out there who will copy anything, if not GTA then maybe some movie. Oh well at least we can always count on Jack for his crazy antics and self-proclaimed savior from the evil video games or like he likes to call "Them killin movin picture murder simulatin thing dohicky whatchamacalit thing."
I sense increasing desperation on ol' Jack's part. He's been raving with increasing frequency about working with authorities and "important individuals" against Take-Two nd the "criminal conduct" of the Florida Bar.
Since you check this website all the time, Jack, I have a recommendation. Change your signature to "Jack Thompson, Bandwagon Attorney". It seems moe fitting in light of this article.
M. Carusi
Capitol Gaming
augamers.blogspot.com
Memo to Jack Thompson: Never gonna happen. Hope you enjoy your last month as a lawyer.
Blah blah blah. Jack running his mouth again. He has to get as much coverage as he can before he's a nobody.
Heh, and by working with authorities, Jack really means getting visits by US Marshels for his bombing federal buildings....figurtivly speaking that is.
Jack, let me explain what'll happen if you try and stick your nose into Thailand's business.
You'll end up locked in a jail cell.
You see, they don't want your help in legislating anything, or really any help from you for any purpose. And they don't give half a damn about your opinion.
Can someone clarify something for me:
I seem to remember that at one point Jack agreed to some settlement with Take 2 that involved him not making any publicly disparaging remarks about the company - yet we can obviously see that he's not abiding by that.
Am I thinking of something else, or totally off the mark?
I want to be like Jack Thompson! Here's my prediction: someday, somewhere, either in the United States or Europe or Asia or any country which has running electricity, someone who happens to have played a video game will kill someone. F*ck me, it's like I'm Nostradamus or something.
Honestly, who can take this self-aggrandizing jerk seriously?
People have killed in the name of God...
Let's get rid of that too...
My God, that's so crazy that it just might work!
It's crazy because I don't think anyone will do that.
HOWEVER, I do support your idea.
Jack Thompson: Go away.
yeah right games are games. people kill people not games. gamepolitics.com, what a fucking lame website. people like you should be slapped around
Thompson? Is that you?!
Trust me, he'd want you to know if it was him, this is just some random nobody troll.
What I love is the assumption that his cause is so just and holy that the Florida bar will forgive his overtly criminal actions. He misrepresented himself, threatened and slandered people, advocated child abuse? It doesn't matter, because he's against video games, which are the true evil.
What a lunatic.
"Now my prediction has come true"
Jack Thompsons thoughts: took them long enough, I just hope I go to fox news and spread more lies about the "evils" of video games while I send out gay porn to people that don't agree with me.
Everyone else: **looking for a more clear motive**
"Mayhem"
A single murder of a cabbie with a tenuous link to the GTA series does not warrent the term of "Mayhem" if there were several such murders, with each of the accused caught and admitting that they were inspired soley by GTA.. which was somehow proovable under close scruteny by qualified law enforcement and investigation agencys...
Also, judging how fast Thailand acted between the murder of the cabbie and the banning of the game.. I'd say that the wheels of justice in that country are turning in a direction to perhaps... further supress "Subversive" material? A proper investigation should have occured before taking such a drastic measure.. no there had to be a pre-existing agenda to remove the first of many violent videogames.
Or not.. I'm no expert on Thailand.. perhapps things really do move that quick there.. altho that does not seem very careful to me..
*Edit*
Also, an old person in a nursing home is going to die of old age today... Wow, I am magic! There is going to be an earthquake in California one day too!
Jack, you would be amazed on how unmissed you would be if you and everyone like you (Hillary, Leiberman...) disappeared. Then maybe we could make parents liable for their kid's actions, and we would have people who would actually parent their kids or not have them.
EZK: Nothing against you, but We should try to avoid even the symblance of threats on our good buddy John Bruce.
There is no getting rid of Thompson, is there?
Sure, we'll ban him from being a lawyer... that doesn't stop him from say... being a lobbyist... a protester.
An annoying little troll on forums that will forever haunt our dreams?
No, there is no real way to get rid of him. We'll just have to wait for him to die of old age...*looks at watch*...........Damn, that's gonna take forever!
But before that fateful day, we must continue the ever vigilant fight against him and his intolerance. Hopefully, he'll see the day when we gamers thrust our controllers high and cheer in victory, and Thompson will finally give up the fight.....*looks at watch again*...Damn, that's gonna take forever!
From briefing Hilary Clinton to clutching wildly at straws, hoping that if he shouts loud enough it will make what he says true.
How the opportunistic have fallen.
Usually, I'm willing to be more patient with laddy Jack, but this situation is so far beyond his comprehension;
Jack, shut up. Seriously, shut your mouth. You have no idea what you are possibly dealing with here. I highly doubt that the Thai government would want some "egotistical-about-to-be-disbarred" Miami lawyer in the mix. Here's a thought Jack, why don't complete this list:
1) Finish one of your websites. How long have you paraded your websites...the ones that have yet to actually show their faces on the interwebs?
2) Pick out a suit for your disbarrment announcement. Personally, I think the off-white with the long arms and straps looks best. Don't worry, you won't need a tie.
3) Help out your around the house, it's not like you're working or anything.
Jack, did you forget that your most likely not even going to be a lawyer next month? You should probably not worry not worry about your latest imaginary claim your making up in your own head and worry about something real. Like your disbarrment, or what your going to have for dinner tonight.
Call me crazy but I'm sure Thailand, like many countries in that part of the world has bigger issues other than GTA or any video game, especially in the extremely poor areas when it comes to things such as, oh I dunno, child prostitution/rape. But of course Jack doesn't give a shit about something like that, it's the damn vidya games! Maybe that just doesn't bother Jack, of course there's no money in it for him so he probably feels the opposite.
Then again, maybe GTA is the cause of that too. >_>
JT has made it clear that he doesn't consider physical, emotional, or sexual abuse to be a factor in criminal cases. He also considers gaming to be worse for kids than all of the above. As far as I'm concerned, he's giving it tacit approval.
You know, I'm not sure so this was actually JT sending out these letters.
Not ONCE did I see a mention of his 60 minutes apperance!
Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have. The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases.
-Thomas Jefferson
Fuck off Jack. As a lawyer you should have learned that the Bill of Rights was put in place not only to protect us from the governemnt, but from overbearing self-centered ass holes like yourself. Games are a form of freedom. Period.
Uh, personnaly i think the guy who stabbed the taxi guy mentionned a video game to avoid some bullets to be shoved up his ass at a very high speed, so Jackie boy no copycats here, just close your mouth and go help your wife to make the dinner.
Jack Thomson said:
"You are selling GTA IV, for example, to anyone of any age via the Internet."
Correction: to anyone with a credit card via the Internet.
i.e. Adults are responsible for those online sales, and/or for whomever uses their credit cards legally.
JT reminds me of a Polish politician who keeps on bashing the church. It's beginning to get boring.
Because it is being repeated here and elsewhere that the Supremes' will issue sanctions in Thompson's case next month, let me clarify:
The September 4th deadline applied only to Judge Tunis' Report being filed with the Supremes. Diligent public servant that she is, the good Judge filed her Report in advance of that deadline. The Supremes are now free to issue their final rulings in Thompson's matter. They could possibly do so this week. Or next month. Or 3 months from now. It's their call. And, for all we know, they'll grant Norm Kent's request to intervene in the matter which would likely push further off in time their ultimate ruling. They'll certainly rule eventually, but there's no telling at this point precisely when that'll be.
Hope I haven't dashed anyone's hopes against the rocks. Just trying to be informative.
Jack Thompson: Attention Whore... and we are still waiting for your new website. At least open an account on Blogger, you sucker...
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I warned you both that copycat killings by teens would occur upon the release of Grand Theft Auto IV. Now my prediction has come true...
Hay fellow GPers, I predict that the sun will set and then rise the next day, and next prediction is that Jack Thompson will do/say something stupid. I also predict that we still have many more LOLs to come at Jack's expense.
And wasn't that meeting where they told Jack to STFU with your lies and absurd statments?
AGAIN with the "you are selling stuff to minors via the interwebs" BS. You keep ignoring it, but you know that ALL ONLINE RETAILERS ARE LIKE THAT! I pointed out how Sears and Walmart have such "I am not a minor" click through agreements, but all you have a hard on for is Best Buy(hmm, not much noise about them as of late, did they give you a good legal spanking?) and Take Two/Rockstar's store. I also pointed out how HYPOCRITICAL you are considering that these "kiddies" can buy R and Un-rated movies easily on & OFFLINE, and that even sites like Amazon sell REAL porn.
I think I know why he ignores facts like that... Entertainment like music, movies, books, COMIC BOOKS, etc have long been cleared of such issues, people don't care about these forms anymore because they know better, and such entertainment probably reminds him of his failures in the past & that he has no chance against such. That is why he has to make such a big deal out of the movie equivalent of an R-rated gangster flick series.
I warned you both that copycat killings by teens would occur upon the release of Grand Theft Auto IV. Now my prediction has come true...
Damn did I miss a release date? or is this guy just ASKING.... or rather Begging for attention?
JT represents the fastest downward spiral from "lawyer", to "minor nuisance", to "major nuisance", to "standing joke"
That i have ever seen* i really should start an account so i can edit my posts : /
When is he expected to be disbarred again? Isn't it the 7th of september?
i think so, less than 2 weeks before my b-day :D So thanks for the early present Florida!
lol once more jack jumps in WITHOUT the whole story. wow jack, do you EVER research your so called "findings" or just believe the other zealots when they say "GTA is to blame!"
your as bad as fox news is at not thinking before you speak.
but since we're making obvious "predictions" i'll predict there will be another war after Iraq within 10 or so more years... to obvious given mankinds nature isn't it?
Right, I see that Jack's grasp of basic logic yet eludes him.
Right so Jack, no one is saying that people will never try to duplicate the actions they see in games/movies/books/religious material. But what is being said is that in no way does the material remove the person's free will in any manner. Ergo, Take-Two didn't make this man kill any one and the blood is on his own hands.
You still don't quite grasp the whole causal relationship do you?
One thing I notice, he is almost NEVER asked for his opinions or help on the cases he inserts himself into, no one even hits that they want his help. He sees an article liek this and jsut starts sending out emails to everyone on his to stalk.... er, I mean contact list. I won't be surprised fi after beign disbarred he'll walk in to a court hearign ,tap the defendant on the shoulder and say "Just say GTA made you do it, you'll get off easy"
Is there anyone that takes this guy seriously? What a clown!
jack you are the biggest joke on the internet. NO ONE cares about what you have to say. You say you are educated but i see no proof in that. Making clames when you dont even have the FACTS! you just shoot off your mouth looking for your redemption for all the crap you have pulled...you need to be tested for a mental health illness...my friends son is in grade 2 and he doesn't babble like you do....for years I and others arround the would have listened to your bulls**t for so long. :video games are evil....blah blah blah." yawn....zzzzzzzzz...seriously!....
you know what! I have had it!..We all have had it!...
This is just the latest STUPID incident prompted by you being a dumb ass. I aim to make it the last!!!
I know it's been said before but, damn, that's one creepy-ass photograph of Jack Thompson. He looks likes he just came off a three-day crack binge.
So that's why he's so crazy!
He got no ground. He broke the settlement (once again) and he only got a month at most as a lawyer. He'll barely have the time to open his mouth before someone tells him "You're no qualified for this case."
Wow, he makes a big deal out of 1 single crime connected to GTA. Oh well, this proves to every1 the narrow minded, biased, annoying, pathetic clown he is
No one really knows IF it's really connected anyways...
question, does JT think before he says his "facts", or does it all come out so fast he'll just say it and not think the logic behind it
Of course not. He actually complained, saying he has fewer rights then the people in Guantanemo. My dark sense of humor would be very amused by Jack in big-G, however, that's not the point. Anyone who with two working brain cells could figure out rather quickly that his failure to respond to the SCOFLA show cause order appropriately (thus costing him his ability to petition that court), is not some sort of violation of his civil liberties.
The guy is just a total douche. Not any more complicated then that. I look forward to his disbarment. Once he can't wield the courts as his own personal cudgel anymore, he'll just be yet another douche with an opinion on the internet, and we've got plenty of those.
Thank God Jack waded in, otherwise people might take it seriously.
Once wacko jacko is on the scene, you can bet any legitimate interest in the case is gone.
But lets be realistic here, in a country known for being able to have sex with children as easily as getting a hot meal, who's captial city is built on sex slavery, they're worried about video games?
I hear the bar exams in Thailand are a lot easier than in the US and they won't hold disbarrment in the US against you.
Why don't you go at it?
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Let's not forget the decades of opium and heroin trade, human trafflicking, arms smuggling, and political corruption!
Oh wait, Jack doesn't care.
Does that mean Jack will be making his way to Thailand? I need to get the guys ready in this case...
With all due respect (actually, forget that);
Shut the hell up. It's obvious you don't care about what happened, you just want to make games (and us gamers) look bad. And stop saying that Take-Two's marketing the games to minors. It's common knowledge that the GTAs are M rated and thus are meant ONLY for people 17 years or older. (yes some under-age kids play the games but that's the fault of the parents, not any games manufactorer)
You know what? I don't know why I'm saying this. You're just an attention seeking troll.
A single possible case does not an "I told you so" make, Jack.
Also why would an incident in Thailand fuel any United States legislation? Wha?