The Christian Examiner Online expresses concerns over video games from a religious angle in what a press release claims is an "in-depth" report.
However, the piece, written by Steve Rabey (left) seems far too brief to be "in depth," is very much of a bashing, and ignores a number of positive areas where religion and games intersect, such as:
- Games based on religion or religious themes: not mentioned
- Use of games to attract teens to youth ministries: not mentioned
- How Christian gamers relate game experience to their faith: not mentioned
- How serious games teach important social and cultural lessons: not mentioned
Instead, Rabey has cobbled together a string of negative quotes. In fact, there's not a single pro-game quote in the entire article. Pastor Kody Kirchoff of Omaha's Calvary Lutheran Church:
Aside from the violence, obscenity and negative themes, the larger and greater problem lies in the fact that video games control many people’s hearts and minds, creating a monotonous, zoned-out new reality... God, family and friends do not exist in many games. Activities like camping, playing catch with Dad, swimming, or just being a kid have vanished.
Al Menconi of Al Menconi Ministries:
[Video game addiction is] a very big epidemic . Withdrawal is very similar to drug withdrawal.
Paul Asay of Focus on the Family:
There are virtual worlds for children, such as Club Penguin and subeta.org, that charge kids or their parents for virtual doodads with which they can decorate their virtual pads. In other words, they’re shelling out real cash for imaginary products.
Carey Casey of the National Center for Fathering:
Games are a way of life, devouring our children’s time, energy and brainpower... Parents should place limits on children’s media use, including when, where, and how much they can participate. And we should be ready to address common myths that are often portrayed in the media: such as the myths that to be worthwhile you have to be beautiful, that money buys happiness, that sex is merely recreation and has no consequences, and that violence solves problems.
Alabama grandmom Margie Tanner:
While shopping for a new video game recently with my 13-year-old grandson, I previewed several of the latest releases. Most were filled with intense violence, involving killing and torture. Others involved witches and wizards.
Not witches and wizards! What's next, a Harry Potter book burning? And which commercial games feature torture?
Certainly, there are millions of Christians who are gamers and thousands who are in the game business. Couldn't Rabey find one person to say something positive about games from a Christian perspective?




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YES.
Now I don't have to get off my ass for the important shit anymore!
Whats next, ordering pizza from Xbox live?
Wait... I think that sounds like a good idea.
But I think voting should MAKE you get off your ass, and see outside or a second while you go vote. I mean, your picking the president of the United States of America for God's Sake... least you can do is drive down there and punch out a card.
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It's funny, they never came and asked our opinion....
www.hardcorechristiangamer.com
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My dad sucks at catch, give me a nice guild Karazhan raid any day over that weak bitches catching skillz.
But seriously now...playing catch with dad? What is this, the 1940's?
And what the hell is the definition of being "just a kid"? No responsibility? Time for your hobbies? Homework?
Playing computer games does not preclude any of those activities, however it may very well be that your kid just doesn't care much for you or thinks computer games are more fun. You can't just expect a modern day kid to jump at activities that were fun what...40-50 years ago? Hell, even when I was a kid I did stuff that kids today propably wouldn't think was "teh awesome" as it was back then. Hell, skipping rocks was the most awesome thing since I got the old Macintosh and could play Gauntlet WHENEVER I WANTED! Awesome.
Yeah tell me about it. When my computer is on the fritz or my MMO game time runs out I turn to crime and turning tricks at the bus station to get my fix. Not to mention the rehab that's needed.
More bullshit. Video game addiction may exist, like you can be addicted to dirty socks or the feeling of a bus drivers cap rubbing against your navel. But the effects of video game withdrawal are the same as the withdrawal from your favorite leisure past time. I feel the same way when I can't play a game I'm currently playing as when I can't paint when the urge strikes me. I love painting, I paint that shit like it aint no thang, as they'd say on the street (as I turn tricks for gamecards).
Don't try to equate games with drugs. There's no similarity other than both gamers and drug users have found something that seems to work for them. Sadly you can't quickload if you overdose (fail)
"There are virtual worlds for children, such as Club Penguin and subeta.org, that charge kids or their parents for virtual doodads with which they can decorate their virtual pads. In other words, they’re shelling out real cash for imaginary products."
I don't see the difference between pimping out your sim pad (i.e. paying real cash for imaginary products) as opposed to tossing money at the church (also paying real cash for an imaginary "product"). Atleast you see something if you pay for the simpad.
Fixed.
"While shopping for a new video game recently with my 13-year-old grandson, I previewed several of the latest releases. Most were filled with intense violence, involving killing and torture. Others involved witches and wizards."
Intense violence
Maybe, depends on your previous exposure to animated violence. I'd not rate new releases particularly high, though future releases promise plenty of gore. In other words a classic "Get offa my lawn 'ye darn kids!" comment.
Killing
From Space Invaders to GTA, killing is just a staple of gaming. Nothing new, if you're shocked about it then stay the hell away from Stratego, Risk, Chess and any other murder spree games.
Torture
A filthy lie. There's no popular released torture game on the market. Sure, there's the "Torture Game 2" and that Punisher game. But there's no game where I can gleefully slice digits off children after shaving their heads and doing amateur brain surgery. Basically this is just a lie or a gross exaggeration. "Tarnations! That there Spartan is TORTURING that cyclops! Pure gentle creature, this...this "God" of War is disgusting and blasphemous!"
Others involved witches and wizards
So what? Should we yield to bigotry and religious hatred because it's a christian doing the hating? I call bullshit on this grandmother. Either get with the times or just shut it, your words of wisdom ring hollow.
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How the hell did this become a debate about christian rock? To set the record straight, rock is rock. Regardless of lyrics. weather its maidens "number of the beast", or Demon Hunters "not ready to die", Music is music. some suck, some rock. Christian or not. Stop acting like children. Now back to topic, It seems these religious journalists dont know the meaning of the word, "research".
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While I do disagree with many of the points raised in the quoted text I do think that there's room to start an actual dialogue here. What we, as gamers, need to remember is that not everyone thinks like us. There are a lot of people who don't understand us or our varied interests. Many of them are people who genuinely do want to what's right and just don't see why we enjoy video games, D&D, LARPing or what have you.
Knowing that we have to be patient and refrain from just lobbing insults back at them because all it does is, in their minds, prove to them that they're right. That gamers are just immature jerks who only care about games and nothing else. We have to be the bigger people and make the steps necessary to change how they think about us and the things we like and that will only happen if both sides stop with the insults.
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the day the world stops taking itself so seriously is the day it will start solving it's problems
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I'm a Christian, and it really makes me cringe when I see stuff like this. While I play a variety of different genres, my favorite games are usually ones I play primarily because of character development and storyline. GTA IV is extremely fun, but my main enjoyment is seeing out Niko's story unfolds in the game. Same with games like Bioshock, Mass Effect, ect. Therefore, I don't see how these games are any worse than stories that Christians have read for centuries. Whether it be parabels in the Bible or Judeo-Christian mythology. I hardly see how anything I've played is worse than reading about a guy who cuts up his concubine and sends it to all the tribes of Israel (Judges, Chapter 19).
They also seem to completely overlook certain things in these games - the fact that a woman questions Niko about the fate of his soul in one cut scene in GTA IV, noting that God works in mysterious ways. The fact that Ashley asks Shepherd whether or not he/she believes in God in one scene in Mass Effect. These games aren't completely void of religion and it can really give one something to ponder on if they choose to.
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I'm a christian, and I play a lot of video games. Health issues prevent me from doing a lot of things that qualify for being a kid in his book. Yeah it's an imaginary world, but when I'm suffering through pain every day (physical not emotional lol) it's really my only escape. As for violent video games... they're the only reason I didn't beat the crap out of bullies in school. Halo, FEAR, FarCry, Prince of Persia and more, all excellent ways of getting anger out of your system without taking it out on real people.
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The basic problem here is that the people who write about videogames, do not play them. they're pretty much assuming something and make that their judgment call.
These people think that kids who play videogames are zoned out into some godless reality. When in reality, one might be trying to figure out a mind numbing puzle, planing a strategic ball play, or figuring out an opponent's fighting style..
These people don't understand that games have context. They just assume that its a mindless repeating thing like pong or pacman. The same way someone, Christian or not, likes to pick up a thick book to read over the summer to pass time, we're doing the same, except in our book, words are replaced with eye candy, surround sound, and excitement.
Sure we might join in a match of halo 3 and kill the heck out of everyone, but in the end we go "Good Game Guys!" And that's the thing these writers are missing about games... INTERACTION.
Fucking Idiot
GET. YOUR. FACTS. RIGHT. BEFORE. MAKING. AN. ARTICLE. OTHERWISE. YOU. ARE. GOING. TO. BE. SNUBBED.
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IMAO Christians have tried to solve problems through violence, witchburning, book burning, throwing rocks and jihads all around them. IMAO Christianity is a way of life, devouring more than just small children's time, energy and brainpower... Yet i have not said we should place time limits on prayers, never have i tried to tell them how to pray or were they can pray. People like him make me want to believe that hell is a real place but not for the right reasons.
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http://marshbenjamin.blogspot.com/2008/08/getting-serious-about-gaming-s...
Really, that article was just not very well done. The guy had his heart in the right place (protect the kiddies!) but his head was not there.
Plus, it is not clear if he has ever even tried a video game.
I hope y'all enjoy my response in the link above.
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I think a good 5th gap that while not necessary has to be christan but could be added in there:
"The familes out there that play video games together"
The Dad, Mom and son/daughter(s) who play EQ, WOW, Madden Football, or Wii together could be just as good family quality spending time as going to the park, watching a baseball game at the local field, etc. Heck, with gas prices like it is, spending time at home with the family and playing a video game is far cheaper then going out and doing something. Sadly it seems most anti gamers get the impression that games are just for kids.
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Ugh. Y'know, I get really tired of people deriding my hobbies as "evil and satanic and likely to corrupt." At least Jack Thompson's rants I can laugh at. But this just frustrates me.
Lookit me! I play games like Doom, Unreal Tournament, and Diablo! Am I likely to go out and kill someone simply because I play those games? No. Am I evil because I play them? No. Is my soul corrupted? Hey, that's between me and God. Do I want your opinion of my hobbies? No, I really could care less what you believe about my hobbies.
There's a passage in the bible that says "Give unto God what is Gods, and give unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's." And yet, for people like this in the religious community, they could care less about that. It's a zealotry that makes the *entire* Christian community look bad.
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The ignorance about activites one does in games is also very misleading, as any player of MMO's knows.... those games are ALL about "Camping". And his emphasis about, "playing catch with Dad, swimming, or just being a kid have vanished.", just show he's gotten old enough to be looking back in a nostalgic manner about his youth. No matter how little it matched up to his memories. His knowledge about God, family and friends not existing in games is way off too. I've followed many dieties in my years of playing, have played with family across country, and have meet more friends than i would have in any other situation. His problem with people who play games and enjoy it is that he personally has little empathy for people who do things that he just can't or won't bring himself to understand. A failing of many who are set in their narrow ways about life, people and the world around them.
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Steve, I had sex with Jesus and I loved it. After going through the bible, I would have to say that it is worse than all of the GTA's even with hot coffee unlocked. There is some rough stuff in there.
Is this the church's way to try to get back their little boys to molest them?
Either way, it helps to actually use creditable studies, logic, and have actually played these games before judging them. I bet this guy never questioned his faith, and from my experiences, those people are the scariest of them all, that and the ones that dive deep into a religion all of the sudden then say Jesus, Lord, or God in almost every sentence...
Religion today is the biggest scam in the world. My grandparent's is the worst... they are required to pay 20% of their income or else they are ex-communicated. It's like come one, what type of God would agree to stuff like that. It is purely greedy people trying to make profit on the blind. A good church would not require or urge people to donate, but instead go with what they get, and hold events to raise money for the church that help the community at the same time.
L. Ron Hubbard is the biggest freakin genious in the world. He flat out said, hey, just start a religion and you can get a bunch of idiots to follow you and you can get rich. Then what does he do? Exactly that, then now it has turned into an out of control cult. Religion, like most Governments, need to get back to their roots of why they exist, and stick purely to that.
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you sir are correct, religion more often than not is an institution unto itself for itself, faith and spirituality a whole other thing.
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Isn't the "church" of scientology the only one that sues you if you dissagree with them?
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I would think being sued is a tad better then being put to death for being a witch or some other "anti-christian" belief, as has been done in the past history of the church.
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Yeah, but haven't you heard about the 100+ people that Scientologists have murdered? There are websites dedicated to this... Just as once said for war issues, kill them all and let God (or some alien, haha) sort them out.
and to Zippy \/ Very good point... I am in full support of spirituality an faith, but organized religion where people go once a week, but once they leave that church, people cheat on their spouses, abuse their kids, and so on... its all for show to the community... I say believe what you want in your own house, and have intellectual conversations about it with people... No need for actual churches...
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I may b christian, but i don't look at any issues from a christian perspective becuz that view is narroe minded if u ask me. This report was very biased as well becuz it seemed to focus mainly on negative stuff
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"Others involved witches and wizards."
Giving that I have friends who practice pagain beliefs, the fact that they keep dragging stuff like this in, painting games as "anti-christian pagan propoganda" bugs me.
Of course, any religious nut bashing any religion that isn't their own bugs me.
Remember, your respective god/gods/goddess/goddesses would prefer spiritual fruit over religous nuts.
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Also, I do remember once, at Wal mart of all places ,some kid walked up to me, wearing a cross I might add, pointed to a pentagram I was wearing(it wasnt satanic as it didn't have a star point pointing down) and said with a completely straight face "if I had my way you'd be gassed for that."
I was never more pissed, however I was the bigger person and just shook my head as I walked off.
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I doubt that the kid even knew what gassed ment, perhaps he was just repeating what someone else had said.
Although assuming he did know what it meant I would've given him quite an earful.
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Sounds like someone wants to either do a modern remake of the Holocaust or the Burning Times. And they wonder why Aethisim, Agnostics and Paganism are rising.
Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.
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Maybe he just mistook the pentagram with a star of David (if it's called like that in english). Anyways, you should have slapped him in the face for saying that.
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Only if he can't count.
Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.
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Actually, giving how the symbols are drawn/made, it's very hard ot mistake either one for the other. The Star of David being more of a hexagram I think, and the pentagram either a simpel star or a star with a circle around it with one point aimed skyward.
And yes honestly with comments liek that I do believe soem want the burning times back. Peace and love indeed.
Not saying all want that, but those who do are nuitjobs.
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Just for clarification:
The Pentagram is a star inside the circle with the point downwards, a sign of evil and negative energy.
The Pentacle is a star inside the circle with the point upwards, a sign of protection and positive energy.
Pagans do not wear pentagrams, they wear pentacles.
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Right, my bad, just got too used to that word. Oh well.
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Just for further clarification:
The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram is a five-pointed star drawn with five straight lines, just like a hexagram is a six-pointed star drawn with six straight lines, etc.
The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentacle is an amulet used in magical invocation, commonly depicted as a pentagram inside a circle.
IT DOES NOT MATTER WHICH WAY THE STAR IS POINTING.
Back on-topic: I reiterate all the previous comments bashing the nutjob and not the Christian.
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And you honestly think that a bible brainwashed kid can make the difference between the two signs?
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I would wager he would be happy to see all religions other then his being gassed, and that would likely include some christian ones.
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Sounds like typical "religous wrangling"(FOR THE HORDE!..er "ORGINIZATION") to me, real people don;t tend to sweet the small stuff.
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I'm not Christian, but even I think you misrepresented what the guy was saying. You simply picked out the negative bits. They may not have even been the guy's opinion (journalism is a bitch like that).
You left out nice little bits like this one:
Some researchers are convinced that repetitive play of violent games instructs kids in violence, making violent acts more likely. But others argue that video violence is a cathartic replacement for real violent crime, which has gone down since the advent of video games.
After the 1999 killings at Colorado’s Columbine High School, some parents sued the makers of “Doom,” a violent game that was one of the killers’ favorites. But such lawsuits have been no more successful than earlier efforts to link teen violence to heavy metal music. There may be a link, but the social science research remains ambiguous.
If anything, he is just quoting different people on their opinions on gaming, and telling parents to start paying attention to where the 18 billion dollar a year industry is going. It has become much bigger than it was 20-30 years ago. He is simply reporting.
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Is there some kind of rule that exempts video game critics from citing ANY sources for vague, baseless claims against game addiction or violence that I don't know about?
"Activities like camping, playing catch with Dad, swimming, or just being a kid have vanished."
The narcissism it takes to assume something like this is off the charts.
Michael Carusi
Capitol Gaming
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Agreed, who is he to decide what "just being a kid" includes. I mean can you even define such a vague idea as "being a kid".
I agree with the person above, there are bigger problems.
me being a christian+a hardcore gamer, find nothing wrong with video games, the only problem i see is taking up SO much time, but....then again being drunk is an even bigger waste of time because then in the morning you can't even stinking get up. I can understand other christians hating on videos games....It kinda stinks that christians aren't on the gamers side XD.
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Here we go again, this is really insulting, however I must raise the point that athiesm and not believing in God are practically 2 different things, I count myself a Christian, but you will never see me associating with this lot, I find the church to be a terrible organisation in most parts and a major circle of hypocrisy, I believe in God, I acknowledge his existence, but I will not join in the major circle jerk that goes on in any of my nearby or internet based "christian communities".
Outside of the gaming community I have yet to meet (In person, I don't know enough about people I see on TV etc) one decent human being that has an informed opinion on videogames, I am really beginning to believe that it is an "either you're with us or you are against us!" sort of situation. And that is what the modern Christian community has done to my view of the world.
I worship God in my own place and in my own time, but no way is anyone but myself going to decide my morals for me, I make the desicions in my life, not another man, woman or spirit, because trying to control someone else's free will and hearts and minds is something that is truly evil and what I believe the modern church is guilty of.
Your soul is a tasty refreshing treat to ones such as I
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"however I must raise the point that athiesm and not believing in God are practically 2 different things"
wrong
incorrect
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No he's correct.
(See Buddhism)
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Which is a religion, true, but the definition of Atheism that people use is
Yes, religion has a loose definition that doesn't really require the believing in a God, and atheism as people understand and define the term doesn't keep this loose definition in mind. However, the definition of atheism is believing there is no God.
(He's right, by the way, but not on account of Buddhism. He says atheism and "not believing in God" are two different things. Technically, "not believing in God" and "believing there is no God" are somewhat different.)
The point the guy is trying to make is a bit unclear, it seems to me as if he mixes up Atheism and not believing in the church.
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OMG I love you. I've been looking for people like you for a long time, those that think that organized religion is a circle of hypocrites. I myself am agnostic, but I think that if people want to be religious, power to them, but when huge groups of them form and try to control the masses....that's when religion has lost its voice to the power-hungry leaders.
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You know, the more I think about it, the more this kind of attention makes me sick.
When I graduated from high school, only two people (myself included) weren't drinking regularly. The majority of them were binge-drinking, and quite a few had DWI and posession records to their names. When the army recruiter went about calling all the guys in my class and when he asked if I had a criminal record, I said no. He laughed and said that was good because I was the only person he had reached so far that didn't have one that was alcohol related.
As we speak, underage drinking is causing countless kids to drive drunk and endanger themselves, their friends, and any unlucky fool that's near them on the road. This behavior will probably lead to alcoholism and liver failure if they don't die in an accident first, not to mention the strain it will put on their friends, families, and their jobs. I know all too well what damage alcoholism can do to a family.
But no. VIDEO GAMES are a greater danger than the rampant alcoholism and drunk driving that's prevalent in youth today.
Ugh...am I the only person who is really sick of society lately? >_<
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I agree with you, alcohol and "partying" in general are promoted as good social behavior in the US.
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If you believe in religion, you're pretty much a nut job anyways. So, it's nothing new that the religious want another item to censor and/or boycott.
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Whats wrong with believing in a certain religion?
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"An if it harm none do as thy will" The Wiccan Rede. does that make me a nut job? or would you like an explination?
Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.
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That would sound more like a philosophy rather than a religion. Religion is the beauracratic BS between man and God. Religion was created by man. Whether God created man or the other way around is whole other topic.