Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make Molotov Cocktails

Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make Molotov Cocktails

August 7, 2008

In the wake of Saturday's highly publicized cabbie murder in Bangkok, there's more bad news for Grand Theft Auto.

Police in Fulton County, Georgia say that three teens arrested for a series of car arsons claim that they used GTA-inspired Molotov cocktails to set the vehicles ablaze.

WSBTV-2 reports:

Fulton County officials said they have arrested three teens and charged them with 57 felony counts in connection with a recent series of car bombings with Molotov cocktails in the city of Milton, north of Atlanta.

 

Officials said the teens -- ages 15 and 16 -- told authorities they learned "how to do it" from playing the video game "Grand Theft Auto."

 

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Uhhhh...yeah...right.

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And people still take this seriously.

This has to stop. Period

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yes because the ever difficult recipe of stuff cloth down bottle of booze light and throw is so difficult they couldn't have learned it any other way...

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"This appears to be homemade," said Milton Police Officer Shawn McCarty. "A glass bottled filled with some liquid, that's what's been tossed on the vehicles.

Um...where can you find Sprite bottles made of glass anymore????

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I don't know where you live, but everywhere i have lived in and around Indiana has had beer bottles all over the place.  I have seen a couple stores that still sell glass bottled soda, but not many.  Maybe it is only the hick states that have glass soda bottles though...

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No, our Wal-Mart has glass bottles of Dr Pepper and 7up up by the registers, and we're close to Dallas, TX.

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still a little bit country, haha

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Glass soda bottles are more of a collector's item. Yeah, you can still buy them in almost every store you walk into in Texas, but there's very few to choose from and the convient store clerk doesn't have a bottle opener.

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go 2 a taco stand and ask 4 a mexican coke there made out of glass

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Good work, Jack. Thanks to lying scumbags like you, criminals can now successfully convince people that they aren't responisble for their crimes.

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Now I typically shy away from the usage of profanity in stories such as this but frankly, a Crock of Shit is a Crock of Shit. Grand Theft Auto does not teach you how to make Molotov Cocktails. Here's how GTA makes Molotovs.

1) From the parodoxical infinite storage you possess allowing you to carry virtually infinite weaponry, you wield a glass bottle filled with whatever liquid they are using, most likely gasoline.

2) Said bottle stuffed with a rag is thrown. Somewhere between the bottle leaving your hand and impacting on the designated surface, it is magically lit aflame.

Now where in that sequence did they show you how to make a Molotov?


As I said, a Crock of Shit is a Crock of Shit. Even John B. Thompson can smell it. He wouldn't touch this one with a 10 foot pole.

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I doubt that very much (your last sentence). Forget about Thompson not willing to touch this with a ten-foot pole. He will sure as hell dive into this one head-first.

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The stunning part will be how he manages the dive with feet already both firmly in mouth.

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So, so true.

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And head firmly placed in his ass.

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Man that must be painful as hell to have your feet in your mouth and your head in your anus at the same time. By all accounts, Jack Thompson must have no spine (like we didnt already know that).

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JT may in fact be an as of yet unregistered species of jellyfish. It would account for his sting, and lack of intellect as well as his curious physical properties.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

saying he has a sting implies that he has predators that he needs defense from. I say a new form of bipedal slug.

 

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

I seriously LOL'd at this utterly bizzare series of comments

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When I was little, my grandfather taught me how to make Molotov Cocktails.  I didn't take this knowledge and act like a jackass. 

He told me that in some parts of the world, the government would oppress people, and never to give up a fight for freedom.  He said if all else was taken, your guns, your knives, you could still use gasoline to fight for your freedom.

He didn't say hey, go out and throw molotov cocktails at cars because it's neat!

What really happened here?
The kids learned how to make the molotov cocktails, and wanted to see if it would work.  So they started throwing them at cars. 

It's more likely than their story.

KICKASS!

Useful knowledge indeed. I find that a lot of people forget that if a kid is taught to be responsible, it doesn't matter what he/she knows, they won't just go around randomly using whay they've learned..  Same idea behind martial arts training for children.

 

-Entertainment isn't the reason the world sucks. It's the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

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yeah...  can we line up the parents of these kids and kick them in the ass, maybe we can jam JT's head up the oldest kid's parents ass, then go on down the line making a line of people with heads up their asses, then put the last person's head up JT's ass.  Then we will have a neat little show watching them try to get their heads out.  (Now that would be YouTube worthy video.)

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I don't think there is one game where you actually construct weapons. More of like just upgrading them without the labor.

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Aren't Molotov cocktails really easy to make? I thought they were just alcohol, a rag, and fire. Are they claiming that they didn't know how to throw a bottle before playing the game?

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Well, imcompetent police believe that car thieves need a videogame to figure out that one of the steps in stealing a car is opening the door.

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Agreed. Let me tell people this: If law enforcement in your town starts blaming any crime on any video game, it is a safe bet your town has an inept police force.

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Either that or they're corrupt.

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I thought only the suspects were blaming GTA not the cops.

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Yeah, but if they get away with it, or the defense is used in court, then the cops were stupid enough to believe the suspects.

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To be fair in the video clip only the media tagged the game.  The man in the interview did not mention it.

And the cops would not be to blame for the kids getting off.  The judge or the jury would be to blame.  I agree with the previous posts..  Teach kids how to be responsible and you shouldn't have to fear them fire bombing cars.

Media Against Video Games

Of course the media is going to be against it.  Video games are killing their ratings.  They want to keep adults away from them as much as possible, because people rather enjoy games than listen to all of the negative crap on the news.

I think we need to think of a way to protest against the  media to try to get them to actually report on the facts and not the distorted truths to up their ratings....

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It's not that easy. But should parents be accountable for neglegence?

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Simple answer, yes

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The funny part is how one could probably learn more violently destructive means of shenanigans from watching a few episodes of "Mythbusters."

Beyond minimal knowledge in some areas of the sciences, imagination's the only other needed ingredient.

Maybe it's 'bout time people started looking at better explanations for that ever-worrisome "why?" question?  Nah, it's them damned vidjagames.

I just think we're all simply nucking futs.  Simplest explanation for everything.

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The root of the problem continues to be an unwillingness of anyone to admit they are at fault.  Parents don't want to be parents anymore, and want/need to blame the shortcomings of their failed offspring on someone/something and the media and "moral crusaders" make it all so easy.  I remember being kind of scared of my dad when i was younger.  I wasn't worried that he was just randomly going to beat me, but i knew better than to stir up to much trouble because he would severly punish me.  Now i'm a mostly responsible adult with a moderate respect for authority because of it.

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the only problem there is that car doors don't have a round button with an equilateral triangle engraved on it.

岩「…Ace beats Jack」

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Pretty much my thoughts exactly. Molotov cocktails aren't really something that requires much more than a description to build. Half the point of them is that they're easy to put together: Flameable liquid, bottle, rag, fire. Not hard.

-Gray17

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Yeah, I know we keep pointing such out, but it really needs repeating.  If this was inspired by a movie or tv no one would believe it.

Hmmm, now a really absurd claim would be that GTA taught them how to build a car bomb...

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Depends on the level of sophistication you want. The most basic is flammable liquid + bottle + flaming rag.  A common modification is to use styrofoam dissolved in gasoline as your flammable liquid - it burns hotter and sticks to whatever it splashes on.  For the chemically inclined there's also a way of using sugar and battery acid (sulfuric acid) as an ignition method - the two react very exothermically in contact with each other, and this can be used as a more reliable fuse than a burning rag.

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(I'm not going to ask how you learned that.)

The article says the kids just used Sprite bottles, rags, and lighter fluid. They were too cheap to even use the good glass bottles.

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Using plastic bottles instead of glass isn't just cheap, it's self-defeating. Plastic bottles don't shatter, and without shattering you can't get enough oxygen to all the fuel to generate a destructive fireball or anything interesting.  If they're lucky, these might act as some variant of a tiki torch, but they've got almost as good a chance of lighting themselves on fire with such a device.

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(I'm not going to ask how you learned that.)

Nothing you can't learn on the Internet or in any library with a decent science collection.

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Alright, I misspoke. Replace "how" with "why."

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Well, why not? It is better to know these things  just incase a .... problem occurs in the future.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

you might want to edit the copied timestamp so it doesn't include that IP address.

岩「…Ace beats Jack」

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thanks! i'l try that tonight!

uh oh, now gamepolitics tought me how to burn down a hospital!

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Powdered laundry detergent as well.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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Ahh, high school science class. Good times, good times...

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I'm told that floating a thin layer of vegetable oil on top of your flammable liquid makes them safer, as it prevents the air space in the top of the bottle from filling with flammable vapour, so when you light your wick you're less likely to have it blow up in your hand.

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That's one way. But I was always taught that flour, petrol and a bit of sugar is best.

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Shows how inept and lazy law enforcement is.

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simplist form yeah, I learned that when I was a kid. We used them to for a controlled burn back of underbrush.

 

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make
Next week - "Teens arrested after Gamepolitics.com teaches them how to make molotov cocktails":)
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hahaha ive honestly learned more about how to make a molotov simply through the last few comments then anything close to what GTA could have taught me. and i doubt that any of the people here who already knew these things figured them out through GTA. this is one of the most ridiculous blames on video games i have ever heard of.

 

 

just wait, video games will cause cancer soon. youll see

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Does GTA 3 ever go into specifics on the inner workings of a molotov or does it just let you use them?

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Thats the thing, the game never "teaches" you how to make one.

You just find 'em, and toss 'em.

This is another clear case of "Grand Theft Auto made me do it".

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I don't recall anything in GTA that atcually gives you a how-to on molotov contstruction.

I do happen to smell two things. The distinct aroma of BS and stupid kids trying to weasel their way out of as much trouble as they can.

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I've played every GTA aside from GTAIV and the GBA game and I don't recall any directions in how to make one, did either of those two tell someone how to make a molotov cocktail?

Not like making one is something that's a hard to find secret. I don't need a game to find that out nor do I even have to look it up, it's pretty damn easy to make.

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Yeah, sounds like they are looking for the 'Get out of Jail' card by using Videogames because they don't want to take responsibility for their actions.

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That's one of my greatest fears as of late.  I mean, once you starting saying that video games can take the blame instead of the person who actually did the crime, soon you'll have people who never even touched a game in their lifetime can scream "THE GAME MADE ME DO IT!" and get away with anything.

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Well hopefully that police in that city/area have a good computer forensics lab that can go through their systems and prove rather they played said games, how often played, etc or the more likely what websites visited to make a bomb, etc.

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oh FFS.

 

you can USE molotovs in Gta, you can USE a plane, you can USE a machine gun. It DOESNT TEACH YOU IN ANY WAY HOW TO MAKE THEM.

tha fact that a molotov is a bottle, a fuse and something that burns means it hardly needs a video game to work out.

Its like saying gta TAUGHT me how to punch somebody.

FFS this is the problem with loud mouthed ASS hats like JT making so much noise and NOBODY in the game industry coming out to shout them down. Just us defending it. well its only gonna get worse. No smoke without fire is what ppl think.

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So when I was tossing Molotov Cocktails(Petrol Bombs) at Police cars 15 years ago in Belfast, I learnt it from GTA also...  *ahem*... 

When I knocked up that chick a few years ago...  Yep, GTA...

Remember when all those people went to war in the 40's?  Oh Yeah... GTA made them do it! 

zzzz

 

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Which side of the conflict were you on?

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I believe everyone was on the loosing side during the troubles.

 

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pretty much from my recollections of it.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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Yeah, dosn't matter which "side" i was on, saying that part of my life, and thankfully many other peoples lives, is over.  Surprised GTA hasn't been blamed on a few more bombings and arsons then it already has...

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pfff tools, and gta never goes into detail on how to make a molotov it only ever lets you use them

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I don't even remember them being in the two I played...vice city and San Andreas...

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They were in San Andreas alright. In one mission yo uhad ot use them to burn down a house that a crooked cop pays you to burn.

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I wasn't aware making a molotov was as easy as snatching the floating item out of thin air.

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yay this is what happens lionel hutz is allowed to pass the bar! (search for info on the simpsons if you dont get the refernce)

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 I call bullsh*t on this one. If they said that the new Alone in the Dark taught them then they might have a very, very lame leg to limp on. How hard is it to put a piece of cloth in a bottle and light it?

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Damn good point there. 

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So they collected a lot of hidden packages and then found the Molotovs on their front porch?

Frankly you don't even manually light Molotovs in GTA, much less learn how to make one.

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Can't you walk around with a lit Molotov for ages in GTA as well? A surefire recipe for losing your hand in real life...

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what about in RE where bottle plus gas = molotov?

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I think they are referring to the concept that playing GTA gave them the idea of doing it to real cars. Still doesn't justify what they did, lots of people will do things like that in GTA and not do it in real life, in fact, the vast percentage of people can do so.

My question is, where are the parents, why are kids playing an M rated game? Did the parents buy the game for the kids? Why didn't the parents watch their children's gaming habits, as the government and other experts repeatedly suggest?

I can't say for certain without more evidence, but it sounds to me like a bunch of kids left with a console as a 'digital babysitter', and no-one monitoring what they were doing or playing. If that console had been a TV and the parents had simply left them unsupervised like that, then no-one would even question the idea that the parents had neglected their children.

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It bears pointing out that in the games, applying molotov cocktails to cars tends to eventually bring about the attention of the police, usually already itching to shoot.

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... wowww

what is this world coming to when people say that a video game TAUGHT them to put gasoline in a glass bottle and toss it? i could have done that in my garage before i even heard of gta.... not that i'd want to >.>

Guess we have people like JT to thank for this kind of crap, because of people like him, criminals have no need to accept personal responsibility!

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anybody can go online to figure out how to make certain thing GTA is not to blame?

 

anybody with a half of mind can figure this out,  people go online for a lot of thing for many different reasons. this is bull-s$&@*.

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Seeing as how molotovs in the GTA games are already pre-made, I doubt it.

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Saying Wikipedia told them how would be more beliveable frankly, given that they have an actual description on how it works.

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So... you make molotov cocktails by buying them, fully functional from the word go, out of the back of a Rastafarian's car pending a phone call?

I wonder how long it took them to get their "like" rating up to 70%.

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This really shows the ineptitude and laziness of police. If the cops in my town did this, I would move in an instant.

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You know where I learned to make molotov cocktails?  TV and movies form the late 80s and early 90s.

Another place you can learn is THE DICTIONARY:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Molotov%20cocktail

I think you'd have to be stupid to not be able to make these...  These kids just said GTA4 becasue they knew it would up their chance of being in the news.  Get caught? Might as well get famous!

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Actually, I would argue that you would have to be pretty stupid TO make them, considering what their purpose is. But your point is well taken.

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Plus everyone knows that if you want really good Molotov cocktails, zippo lighter fluid is a must.  The naptha burns like crazy and also inflicts chemical burns.

Additionally, you can add (as preivously mentioned) dissolved styrofoam for a better burn, or kitchen dishwashing detergent for a better "sticky" fire (similar to napalm).

Incidentally, I learned all these things from a combination of science classes (did chemistry at uni), random info on the internet and science shows where they blow cool shit up... = P

Having knowledge is one thing and it doesn't really matter where you get it from.  Doing something with the knowledge is your own personal responsibility.  The book didn't make you throw the molotov, the game didn't make you throw it, the class didn't make you throw it.

I hope the little bastards get everything coming to them.

 

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High proof liquor works as well, but it doesn't mix with styrofoam

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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Good tips. And don't forget: orange juice concentrate + gasoline = napalm. Watch the movie "Fight Club": it tells you that and how to make nitroglycerin. Cool shit....

...You know, I just realized something...our collective knowledge about explosives and incendiaries is kinda creepy....Oh, well...

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Actually I was going to bring this up. They leave out several key processes and ingredients. Still, with the amount of instruction they DO give you it would make more sense than blaming GTA. BUT GTA is the popular thing to blame these days.

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Wow, I love the county where I live.

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riiiight. because it would be impossible for them to learn a moitov is a bottle of jack with a rag stuck in it from any other sorce...

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In Soviet Russia, video games blame YOU!

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lol.  I love those Soviet Russia jokes. 

I wish I was the officer interrogating those kids about their crimes... I would laugh at any attempt they made to blame a video game and try to get them to spill the beans on what really made them do it.  But, unfortunately, that isn't the case.

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YAY SOVIET RUSSIA!!!

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More BS from The media. Hell they even showed how to make a molotov on an Episode of Cops once.  So if this formula is the answer to all that is wrong in the world, the rise in Knife attacks could be blamed on World of warcraft.  Hell the Americas Army game has you sit through actual wepons "training" (videos) that show you how to operate, us and maintain a large aray of wepons, from hand guns to RPGs.  *sigh* God wont people just see the real problem, that parents just want someone else to raise there kids.

 

 

=Nothing is True and Everything is permitted=

Utter Lies

Great, now they're not only arsonists who blame video games, but they're liars. Yes, GTA has molotovs. However, you can't make the molotovs yourself, they're premade for you. If anything films are more likely to have demonstrated how to make one as you usually get a close up of a rag stuffed in a bottle with a flammable liquid inside like vodka or gas. They're probably just trying to get out of it because they know people like Jack Thompson and Leland Yee exist.

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I am really beginning to favor euthanasia for any criminal who uses video games as a scapegoat for their behaviour. Believe me, you start putting these little shits to death, and you'll see this bullshit cop-out go away pretty fast.

I'm being facetious, of course, but it's really getting out of hand. Mainly because senile lunatics like Jack Thompson continue to perpetuate it.

 

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Kids have been vandalising cars pretty much since they existed. The excuses change, the behaviour doesn't.

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I'm also oddly amused by any claim that someone 'learned' to make molotov cocktails from some other source. The point of molotov cocktails is that they're almost self-evident in their construction - if you were told to make something that would light a tank on fire, and given no other guidance, and only $5 to make it with, you'd probably come up with a molotov cocktail. Their simplicity and ease of manufacture is what makes them the weapon of choice for rioters and guerilla urban militias the world over.

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....Seriously?

I hate this Country.

 

-"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

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Don't hate the country; hate the people fucking it up and their reasons for doing so (if they have any).

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The mere fact that they had to "learn" to make molotov cocktails shows their level of intelligence.

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This is moronic

Molotov Cocktails take no brains to make. Just put a piece of cloth in a bottle of alcohol. Anyone who knows that alcohol is flamable knows how to make one

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Actually, as far as I can tell, neither the article nor police actually place the blame on GTA, they merely reported the suspect's claims to have learnt it from GTA (Although apparently, they don't actually know how to make a proper molotov anyway, since they used plastic bottles, so that's yet another hole in their defense). It makes no mention of how seriously their claim is being taken, but hopefully it isn't believed by anyone.

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Where did all of these people learn to blame their problems on video games? What medium braught forth this bigotry? It should be banned!

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yes we should ban the lawyers

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Shakespeare paraphrase moment there Cullarn?

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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Exactly, these kids didn't learn to bomb cars from GTA, they learned to blame GTA from a hysterical Media.

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rep +1

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Make them pay for the damages, confiscate their console/computer, kick them in the bllocks, slap the parents in the face & throw the lot of them into the street for public ridicule.

I know you lose a lot of nuance in text, perhaps the police aren't as gullible/negligent/corrupt/stupid as people think, perhaps the quote should read like this:

Officials said the teens -- ages 15 and 16 -- told authorities they learned "how to do it" *SNIGGER* from playing the video game *SNIGGER* "Grand Theft Auto." *RAUCOUS LAUGHTER*

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So?

I learned about molotov's cocktails at school when I was 12. Schools should be banned.

-- http://pixelantes.blogspot.com/

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i learned about moltovs from the A-Team.

Here are we -- and yonder yawns the universe.

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They really need to retire the "video games made me do it" excuse, it's getting old...

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After reading this I dont know who is dumber the police, the kids or Jack Thompson...

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If I were the police officer or the prosecutor of these suspects I would not blink at the idea that GTA taught them how to make the weapons. For me I would say "Oh, that's a peculiarity" and just move on to find out the motive for using the weapons on someone. No way I will be going "eeeeee" with a greedy smile and thoughts of Take-Two's money going into my coffers.

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So... GTA taught them how to do it, and not Rodney Corronado going school to school teaching students how to make bombs, and telling them that it's OK.

---You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

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Really?  I learned 'how to do it' from Wikipedia.

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I bet the cops believe them when they tell them 'GTA taught me how to do it', or at least they don't instantly dismiss the idea. Why, because odds are they don't play grand theft auto and don't know that the game doesn't teach you how to make it.

However I bet the cops still place all the blame on the kids and not the video game.

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Guess this is an example of giving the benefit of the doubt. Not that the suspect is innocent, but that whatever the suspect says is true, in a situation where fact checking isn't possible at that moment.

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HAHAHAHAAAA! COME ON! REALLY? Oh fer the love of god, just shut the fuck up! How hard is it to make a molotov cocktail? All you have to do is know that

-flamable liquids are flamable

-glass containers can be used to carry flamable liquids

-a piece of cloth can be used as a fuse to light the liquids.

 

That's it. How hard is that to figure out? Took me less than three seconds. I didn't need "instructions" from GTA.

-Entertainment isn't the reason the world sucks. It's the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

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 it scares me how  many rational sounding members of this blog know how to make molotov cocktails, of course then ive been trained on how to break a mans neck, push his nose up into his brain, blind him with a punch, cause cardiac arrest by hitting the solar plexus, use a dao, a balisong, ninja stars, so on and so forth, so who am i to judge.

Ohh and id like to point out that videogames actually made me think those things were either impossible or too hard. Well Kung fu and Full Contact taught me otherwise.

 

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The most rational people are the ones who know how to defend themselves and those they care for by whatever means available to them. Besides, as pointed out a couple dozen times already 1)How hard is a Molitov to make?) and 2) the dozens of differant places we learned. ((you realize if the neo-cons read this they will be sh%*ting bricks right?))

 

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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I thought you were just a jackass until I read this (push his nose up into his brain), but now I know you're full of shit.

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wow, you are a complete moron. it is completely possible to push someones nose up into their brain, which kills them. have you ever seen the move "The Last Boyscout" or more recently "Resident  Evil: apocolypse?"  in both of these movies some one is killed upward blow to the nose. its completely possible. so keep your "im insecure about myself and if i cant do it no one can do it" bullshit to yourself

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I have always said this...."The world is never safe as long as I still have a match"

 

hee hee.. Fire + flameable stuff = boom!

 

Stupid media eats this shit up dont they!

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I wonder if a computer forensics lab went through their computers to see what evidence is there?  More likely, they visited some web site about bomb making or maybe got their hands on the anarchist cookbook.  We had this interesting case in my computer forensics class which was a suspected domestic terrorism case.  The guy visited a CRAP load of bomb making, drugs(mostly weed), websites (also had a nice collection of fantasy/sci-fi art on the system).  If I was the police there though, I would search their systems, at least then you could likely show that "GTA made them do it" is false. 

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*looks at watch*....Any minute now, Thompson will pull his head out of his ass long enough to read and post a fucked-up "I told you so" before ramming it back in to sniff the digested beef stroganof he had last night........Aaaaaaaaany minute now......Just you wait...

J.D.

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We should blame Jack Thompson for this. After all, it would make more sense than blaming a game if you think about it. They could have got the idea to blame the game from Jack.

 

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Sweet, more crap excuses that teens will use to get a light sentence on their heads. How come the courts never question where they got the games? The stores couldn't have sold them the games because they're underage, do you know how stupid a store clerk would have to be to not ask for ID? And how often clerks don't ask for ID...

I mean, seriously. Someone 18 or over must be buying the games for these teenagers, these underage adolescents. How come nobody tries to find out who? They just go out and automatically blame the video games developer when, in fact, it's most likely the childs parents who should be at fault.

-- Joshua Smellie

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At fault for the arson because they bought the game for their kid? That train of thought still implies that games were a large factor, unless of course he (the kid) had a history of mental illness and the parents knew that the game could trigger a freak out. Then they would be at fault because they bought the game.

 

 

-Entertainment isn't the reason the world sucks. It's the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

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I was under the impression that making a moltov cocktail was a little more involved than picking up a glowing and floating bottle from some random rooftop.

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Once again, a bunch of youths do shit that has happened since the 40's, hell probably even longer. However instead of "fighting against the man", their excuse is "video games made me do it". These morons probably think they have a get out of jail free card, and Jack Thompson will probably defend them...trying to push his ridiculous agenda (that is if he wasn't in such bad standing with the courts).

Honestly, I am 25 years old. I played GTA since it came out...I have never committed a murderous or violent act. Hell millions of people who have played it have not committed violent acts, yet a bunch of morons who lie out of their arses say that GTA taughts them how to make and use a molotov...bullshit. All that game teaches you is that it is a shiny icon that you pick up in an alleyway or ontop of a building.

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Soak an electrically charged iron rod in salt water for a while, let it dry and mix it with the contents of an etch-a-sketch. There ya go. MUCH better than petrol bombs.

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They learned it from GTA?  Well, wikipedia told me that you make a molotov cocktail by filling a glass bottle with gasoline, sticking a rag in, lighting the rag, and throwing it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_cocktail

It also taught me that thermite is a combination of rust and aluminum:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite

and that I can make napalm with equal parts gasoline and styrofoam:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napalm

It is clear what must be done: ban all forms of learning except what the state/church/emperor controls directly!

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Forgot the key component on the thermite of magnesium powder as a starter element, otherwise you'll never get the iron oxide to burn.

High school chemistry... good times.

 

"The Good, the Bad, and Videogame"
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Sorry for that oversight, but if you make any of those at home, kids, have my handle arrested, not its reference (had to make the C joke).

Back on topic to go on another tangent, Shadow Warrior taught me Kung Fu!

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god damn i hate admitting the fact that i am from georgia.  at least i can say i was born in louisiana.  oh wait...

this type of thing pisses me off, because not only does it just fuel the fire, but it totally ignores the fact that it is learned behavior to use GTA as a scapegoat.  just like the retard in thailand.  yeah, sure, dont admit that youre just a god damned maniac, just say that "the video game made me do it!!"  so that way you can paint yourself as the victim of corporate brainwashing.

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Personally I blame Prometheus.
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Damn Prometheus and his fire!

Prometheus taught them how to do it, methinks.

 

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Since when did they include the anarchist coockbook with GTA?

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There's no point in blaming the Police for this; they are not at fault when some kids blame a game and the media snatches it up. All you're doing is convoluting the discussion with your own stupid bias.

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Like other people have pointed out, how does pressing a button to throw them teach how to make one?

And honestly making a molotov is hardly rocket science. I mean how difficult is it to get a bottle, fill it with some flamable liquid, stuff a rag into the top, and then light it? It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.

Why is nothing anyones fault anymore? Why do we let people get away with lame excuses like this?

If anyone is dumb enough to belive those kids then they should be shot. Seriously.

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BTW No not kill them, just a wound in the arm or leg to teach them a lesson.

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These teenagers actually tried to blame GTA for "teaching" them how make Molotov cocktails?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_cocktail

This is so much more fufilling. You can even check out the inspiration behind the Molotov moniker now associated with the weapon.

However, considering that these infantile numbskulls used Sprite bottles for their design, I'd venture to say that a computer (and a joystick for that matter) might be above their intelligence level. Just saying.

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I sometimes wish public stoning was an option (still is in parts of Iran, but for the wrong reasons usually). We need a better deterrant than:

"You're parents are going to pay for this"

"You'll stay in jail for a long time...unless you're under 18, in which case, you'll be released clear and free by the time you're 21"

"You're neighbors are SO mad at you"

"Hello, I'm your defense attorney. I suggest a comprehensive civil suit (and a less important criminal suit, no money in that) against these video game companies"

Yeah, the last one's not really a deterrant at all. It's more of a reward for acting like a criminal.

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Robert Heinlein's punishment in Starship Troopers (don't even mention the movie), 5-10 public lashes, then the parent's get 5-10 lashes as well for letting their kids do something so stupid.



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Y'know what's messed up about this? I'd be willing to bet a  fairly large chunk of change that if it weren't for people like Thompson and their idiotic, uninformed and myopic perspective on gaming, and if it weren't for the constant scape-goating that goes on we probably wouldn't have people blaming games for their actions.

In other words, I actually blame the likes of Thompson for creating an evironment where it's actually considered PLAUSIBLE that someone could do this, blame games and get away with it. They blame games for bad behaviour, bad behaviour is then blamed on games and the anti-gaming critics crow with victory, despite the fact that they're completely ignoring the reality that they created the environment in which games can be played.

What bothers me more than anything else is the fact that when someone does this kind of thing these myopes don't bother to blame the perpetrator, they go after games. It's almost as if they don't actually consider the perpetrator of the crime to be responsible for their actions. As if, somehow, they were literally being controlled by the game the way games are controlled by the player.

For god's sake, if a drunk driver kills someone, do they blame the booze? Booze, at the very MINIMUM is proven to alter behaviour, is addictive and is extremely harmful, and yet nobody's sued Capt. Morgan for anything... so why is it okay to blame games? Games aren't even recognized as addictive, for cryin' out loud!

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When one of my friends was 12 he got in trouble for making a molotov with some friends in a back alley and the cops came and everything.
When my friend was 12 GTA1 was not even out.  It was not a game, it was his own stupidity and peer pressure.

When the kids today and take responsibility for their own actions and stop being jackasses, then all this crap can stuff.

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I learned how they are made in my Holocaust Studies class in High School, better ban that too.

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Next time the mrs comes home and catches me doing a prositutue in the driveway again.... I'll make sure to tell her I was playing Grand Theft Auto that day.

Maybe that would get me off the hook.

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Thompson -

Chaykin died in unfortunate circumstances, trying to do something heroic, for selfless reasons. You, on the other hand, have never tried to do something you consider heroic (none of it has been, by the by) unless you think it might get you some air time. And for you to even consider his death a good thing confirms more than anything that you are the lowest form of bully.

And as for knowing how to make Molotovs, seeing them in any form of media - or used - tells you all you need to know to make a basic one. This is the typical "I don't want to take responsability for the fact that I'm a complete fuck up" defence. The very one that, as has been mentioned, Jackie-boy has led people to believe is a viable defence.

In a couple of days, this will be entirely debunked, as it always is. Sure, you got your scared morons who believe that society who's coming down around our ears who'll believe it, and you got your fear mongering politicians and "news media" who will go on about it as they believe it makes them look concerned for the world as opposed to ill informed hacks, but most ordinary people out there? They don't buy this any more than they buy that Uncle Billy-Bob was abducted by whiskey scented aliens.

You have to give the folks out there more credit - not everyone thinks like Johhny Bruce. Most people have more sense than you'd think, they just don't make a lot of noise about it.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make
in contry where i live (Finland). our school books have recipe how to make molotov coctail.
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Y'know, there was this movie called 'Zabrieskie Point' that was utterly atrocious, but included more info on how to make a molotov cocktail than GTA ever did (they actually debate the best manner for some time, IIRC).

I wonder.  If I claimed that leftist revolutionary cinema taught me how to make a molotov cocktail that I then threw into traffic, would the news be half as interested?  'Cause if you ask me, it's at least more likely....

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Muhahaa!

 

In Finland, we are tought how to build Molotow's Coctails (Molotovin koktailit) while in school. Just a part of every history lesson. ;)

And no. GTA does NOT show you how to do it.

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IT'S A GOD DAMNED RAG IN A BOTTLE WITH A FLAMABLE LIQUID.

 

jesus i think the whole thing is pretty self explanitory.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Eh I knew how to make one before I played GTA? 

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I learned how to make a motlolov cocktail from TV when I was young. We are talking about a product that has basically three parts, if you have SEEN one at all, you can make them.

Hey, anyone remember the Goonies video game ("Hey, what you do?")? A childrens game based on a childrens movie. The best weapons in this game was a moltov cocktail.

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yeah right, because they teach you how to make molotov cocktails in gta?

 

sweet mother of...

Jack Thompson's Sick Posts

I'd leave Jack's disgusting posts where they are Dennis, if they are genuine Thompson, people might learn something when they see him leaping about celebrating the death of another human being, like the fact that the person who takes joy in the real death of humans isn't gamers, it's Jack Thompson.

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Taking his posts down is only going to add fuel to the fire.  You know he's going to email/fax bomb you for violating his 1st amendment right to free speech.

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I have to agree with this anon here. It shows just how much of a hypocrite John Bruce truly is. (That is, unless, the posts in question were from someone posing as Thompson, but the posts looks legitimate enough to be from the genuine article)

Plus the fact that the responses are still there, now tied to other posts. They should probably be deleted as well, just to quell the confusion, if anything.

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I will have to disagree there. No doubt in my mind that is the real Thompson, 100%. However that kind sick posting has no relevant discussion or addition to this story/topic what so ever. If he bombs Dennis with calls and emails, that is horrible and I feel for him...but Jack has been warned many times over about not posting his little filings and letters on here.

Though Thompson has been a virulent opponent of the gaming community for nearly a decade...this time, this is a non game issue and just is rotten to the core. It makes me sick just remembering the letter (and sorry for the swearing and angry tone in the last reply to one of his letters [sorry to Dennis not to you Jack, you don't deserve an apology any time soon] it was a little uncalled for) His cheering over the death of one of his bar opponents and trying to claim a settlement with his family, insurance, and his estate is scummier than normal from the Space Cowboy, and I don't think it has a place here.

Just stating my opinion.

 

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If i was a cop, i'd be extremely happy about this, GTA would have also taught these kids how the law is enforced too.

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Now seriously, how the FUCK did GTA teach them how to make molotov cocktails?

"I'm not responcabel fer my comuter's spleling errnors." -- Xlorep DarkHelm

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most ppl who say they learned it from a video game r jsut doing it so they can plea insanity and have a lighter sentence. If u ask me, authorities should actually play the game before they jump to conclusions and blame it.

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This, I knew already. However, it still is completely ludicrist.

"I'm not responcabel fer my comuter's spleling errnors." -- Xlorep DarkHelm

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to be fair i learned how to make molotov cocktails from watching world at war, thank you sir lawrance olivier. (i cant seem to recall any gta telling me how to make one)

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You don't even MAKE molotov cocktails in GTA, you just find them conveniently lying around in back alleys. I'm an adult and have played four GTA games and I'd still be at a loss of how to make one, and would probably set myself on fire trying.

Or maybe it really is as easy as sticking a rag in a bottle of dubious liquid and shooting it with a gun like Alone in the Dark taught me!

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Unless the dubious liquid in question is nitroglycerine, it's more likely to just spray everywhere and evaporate. And if it is nitroglycerine, merely knocking over the bottle with something is generally enough to cause a big explosion.

A bullet is not very likely to cause alcohol to combust, except for some particularly potent varieties of moonshine.


Chris 'coldacid' Charabaruk <coldacid.net>
IGDA Indie SIG Coordinator, Programmer, Designer

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"The games made me do it" is the new "f*** the establishment".

It's sad that we can't find more rational motives for our devious acts. Previous generations of teenagers were more zealous about politics and freedom, and staged more protests. And when they blow up into riots it's all about fighting the establishment.

Our generation really has no motive to be in an uproar over the government, aside from maybe the Iraq War. Or we simply don't care. Maybe it's another reason why elders hate us. We do rebellious things for lamer reasons, like showing up your peers or claiming that you've been taught by the media.

And to make up for these lame reasons, some people just say they need the adrenaline. It can result in doing things that your parents didn't think of doing, like cutting your arms or inserting a bunch of piercings and stuff you find at a hardware store.

Some people need to let it all out but we gotta stop finding stupid excuses for it. It's like a solution looking for a problem.

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I wasn't going to say anything but I just had to share this little quote from the tv news station website that reported this whole mess:

"Molotov cocktails, flammable liquid in a bottle with a burning rag as a wick, were used to set the fires, according to Milton police."

That's as good as the Anarchist Cookbook will tell you, and way more than GTA will. Thanks channel 2! Next time I get in trouble I'll blame you!

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Jesus Christ on a bike.

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Really? WHERE???

*looks around*

Aww, I missed him!

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Don't feel too bad, he SO didn't look good in biking shorts.

 

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

How about Jeebus' face on a bread?

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Yea well if there is a "god made me do it" defence there might as well be a "gta made me do it defence". But I seriusly do think that people who try either one of those defences should have their tounges cut out of their mouths. It worked well during the dark ages.

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Where is a "god made me do it" defense any more viable? Or while we're at it, even the "I'm only doing what I was ordered to do", in any form (including those already outlined).... they are derivatives of the Nurenburg Defense, and fail utterly.

"I'm not responcabel fer my comuter's spleling errnors." -- Xlorep DarkHelm

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Man, it sure took them a while. I learend to make a Moltov from Night of the Living Dead. Perhaps we should think about banning that, too.

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Funny, I always thought making one is common knowledge.

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let me list 2 main reasons why this is bull...

1. gta dosnt show you how to make molotovs you dont even make them in game!

2. gta is the ONLY way to find out how i mean you DEFINATLTY can't i dont know.... GOOGLE IT the first result tells you so much more than playing ALL THE GTA GAMES COMBINED...

serously the only reason people get away with this shit is because none of the mainstream media ever take the time to PLAY THE GAME or even REASERCH IT they just say its true beacause a video game EXPERT like jack says so...

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Im surprised they didnt blame saving private ryan. That tells you how to make sticky bombs!

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I want to send the following four words to JT about the existence of these studies he speaks of.

"Prove it or bullshit."

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I AM CONDEMNED TO HAUNT THE DREAMS OF JACK THOMPSON UNTIL HIS CRUSADE AGAINST VIDEO GAMES ENDS.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Now I'm no fan of GTA but I'm pretty sure you don't make the molotov cocktails in the game.

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I learnt how to make Molotov Cocktails from books about WW2 as well as talking to my grandfather, who is a WW2 vet. Let's ban all sources of information on the world wars, too!



Chris 'coldacid' Charabaruk <coldacid.net>
IGDA Indie SIG Coordinator, Programmer, Designer

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Ban all WWII vets IRL lol

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Are these people serious? I learned how to make Molotov cocktails just through the multitude of action movies I've watched. No one even needs to really explain it to you verbally, all any reasonably intelligent person needs is to see one, and you can easily tell how to make one. This is easily the most retarded "videogames made me do it" case I've heard in quite a while.

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Funny how JT wants to get violent video games banned because they supposedly make us turn into bad people, and yet JT himself is essentially saying that another person's death is good? 

 

Jack Thompson, Hypocrite and you're not!

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How does one know that JT isn't pulling some strings here.

He lost his license to practice law, He would have everything to gain by having a few cases of random teens say "Grand Theft Auto made me do it!"

Simply so JT could say "I WAS RIGHT!"

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Even so, whether he would be right or not was not the case. His harassing and belittling behaviour, not to mention his hunger for lying uncontrollably...would be the reasons he is getting stripped down of his status. Video games, as much as he tried to change the topic of the trial to, were not the subject of his disbarrment proceedings.

 

JT: I was right! LOOK!

Bar: Uh huh...yeah you are still a nut case

JT: See though God has answered Jack Thompson's prayers! Jack Thompson is back in action. Jack Thompson demands that you apologize to him and give him back his license

Bar: Let me think about that. Um no.

JT: ................please? I'll be your friend

Bar: You tried that before. I have lots of friends, and we don't really like you

JT: I'll sue you

Bar: No, you won't.

JT: Meanies!!!! (sound sobbing uncontrollably as Jack runs into his room and slams the door)

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Dear Jack, I am sorry you are a sick deranged and highly offensive individual.

I really am.

But I'm not sorry you are going to get disbarred.

I rather you were a decent human being, but things being as they are I'll take your impending punishment as a silver medal.

 

Best regards,

 

Andy x

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Considering that Alone In The Dark allows you to create molotov cocktails in detail, why is GTA under the firing line?

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

This is just stupid. I'm pretty sure some guerillas who couldn't read a letter of the English alphabet can make a molotov cocktail. All they'd ask is gas, a rag, and a f***ing soda bottle. People from the 20's can make a decent molotov cocktail, and they never played GTA or have a TV for that matter.

I hate sensationalist press.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

As I am sure several people already stated that nowhere in grand theft auto does it teach you how to make a molotov cocktail in the game.  We live in an age where the internet is widely used by almost everyone and I am more than sure that these kids simply looked up how to make them online.  Instead of telling the truth and saying they were doing this all because of thier stupid kid behavior they blamed a game where you have access to the cocktail as a weapon and there is no explanation on how it is created.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

I disagree with all the comments about parents being to blame. That is the same thing as blaming videogames, just from another perspective. (think about it)

In an age where so much economic pressure is placed on parents, to work their butts off in order to keep up with the needs of a modern family. When I was growing up my mother worked 7am-5pm, and then spent the rest of her time carting my sister around for her cheerleading/dance stuff. While, my father worked the same hours and spent his evenings drunk infront of the tv or with his neighborhood buddies.

I never really saw a whole lot of my parents as a result, and all I really had were videogames. Doom, Nintendo, etc. I knew right from wrong though and I knew that I was always responsible for anything that I did.

Personally, if I had a child, and he/she were to do something like this; I would disown them. Little bastards aren't going to ruin (in a few nights) what took me my whole life to acquire/accomplish. These kids should be held responsible for their own actions.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Most of the stints about blaming Video Games come from the older crowd that say laudable and untrue statements like "Video Games are, and always will be, for KIDS!" and "All Video Games are Marketed to Kids regardless of their actual rating!"

It's truly only a matter of time before our generation is running our country. Until then, it really is up to the parents to not so much "Control their Children" rather "Teach their children the difference between Fantasy and Reality."

If they can't find time to do that, or at least observe their children's habits from time to time. It's not being a very good parent.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Key word:

Taught.

But then again, this is just as bad as that idiot who only knew what a grenade was if not for the Green Day album.

 

Video games are not to blame.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Dude thats bullshit, those fucksticks are only saying that so they can try to get a lighter sentecne and be less accountable for their actions. I've been making molotov cocktails for a while now and I wouldn't use that shit for anything other than entertainment purposes, or celebrations and I only chuck the shit at walls(like concrete walls) or other shit. Fucking dipshits, if I were there and I saw them I would have kicked their hick asses to Russia where teh Molotov was created.  Fuck Shits

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Posted 07/04/09 at 03:48am
Michael Chandra: I missed out on Jack? =(
Posted 07/04/09 at 01:52am
Escanor94: hmm, looks like when someone gets banned all their comments are automaticly deleted
Posted 07/03/09 at 11:46pm
Arcanagos: aww, did i miss the JT party? :(
Posted 07/03/09 at 11:00pm
Leet Gamer Jargon: Where's the recent JT bullcrap? Which comments section has he vomited on? EDIT: Nevermind; it's in the "Radio" thread.
Posted 07/03/09 at 09:17pm
BearDogg-X: I wonder what the Metropolitian Moron of Miami said in response to my comment saying that he got a dose of his medicine on the SGC09 Debate thread?
Posted 07/03/09 at 06:51pm
Rodrigo Ybáñez García: He gets offended with a bunch of flowers.
Posted 07/03/09 at 06:49pm
GoodRobotUs: LOL He takes offence at the fact he might have *chosen* to be crazy?
Posted 07/03/09 at 06:47pm
Rodrigo Ybáñez García: He warned me to get a lawyer after I called him "crazy by his own choice"... that´s libel for him
Posted 07/03/09 at 06:45pm
HilaryDuffGta: "libel" what did he threaten now?
Posted 07/03/09 at 06:44pm
Rodrigo Ybáñez García: Was fun to be threatened for "libel" again.
Posted 07/03/09 at 06:26pm
HilaryDuffGta: hey so what did i miss??? the usual spam of "crap"
Posted 07/03/09 at 06:15pm
FlakAttack: Jack ruined his chance to have civil debates with us here. Glad you banned him (again).
Posted 07/03/09 at 04:04pm
Krono: Unexpected is probably the best word to describe it. Particularly as no decent reason is given.
Posted 07/03/09 at 03:59pm
GoodRobotUs: Just heard about that myself... kinda unexpected
Posted 07/03/09 at 03:58pm
Krono: Huh, apparently Sarah Palin is resigning.
Posted 07/03/09 at 03:34pm
GoodRobotUs: Sounds like he's been mainlining the Angel Dust again
Posted 07/03/09 at 01:50pm
ezbiker555: I'm back. Just in time too, my Jack Thompson sense were going wild
Posted 07/03/09 at 01:47pm
DarkSaber: You mean "playing with himself"? :-P
Posted 07/03/09 at 01:16pm
Matthew: Oh, Jack's back? I guess he got bored of playing single-player.
Posted 07/03/09 at 01:05pm
Andrew Eisen: I'm leaving most of his comments up but he'll be banned again shortly.
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