Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make Molotov Cocktails

August 7, 2008 -

In the wake of Saturday's highly publicized cabbie murder in Bangkok, there's more bad news for Grand Theft Auto.

Police in Fulton County, Georgia say that three teens arrested for a series of car arsons claim that they used GTA-inspired Molotov cocktails to set the vehicles ablaze.

WSBTV-2 reports:

Fulton County officials said they have arrested three teens and charged them with 57 felony counts in connection with a recent series of car bombings with Molotov cocktails in the city of Milton, north of Atlanta.

 

Officials said the teens -- ages 15 and 16 -- told authorities they learned "how to do it" from playing the video game "Grand Theft Auto."

 


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Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Y'know what's messed up about this? I'd be willing to bet a  fairly large chunk of change that if it weren't for people like Thompson and their idiotic, uninformed and myopic perspective on gaming, and if it weren't for the constant scape-goating that goes on we probably wouldn't have people blaming games for their actions.

In other words, I actually blame the likes of Thompson for creating an evironment where it's actually considered PLAUSIBLE that someone could do this, blame games and get away with it. They blame games for bad behaviour, bad behaviour is then blamed on games and the anti-gaming critics crow with victory, despite the fact that they're completely ignoring the reality that they created the environment in which games can be played.

What bothers me more than anything else is the fact that when someone does this kind of thing these myopes don't bother to blame the perpetrator, they go after games. It's almost as if they don't actually consider the perpetrator of the crime to be responsible for their actions. As if, somehow, they were literally being controlled by the game the way games are controlled by the player.

For god's sake, if a drunk driver kills someone, do they blame the booze? Booze, at the very MINIMUM is proven to alter behaviour, is addictive and is extremely harmful, and yet nobody's sued Capt. Morgan for anything... so why is it okay to blame games? Games aren't even recognized as addictive, for cryin' out loud!

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I sometimes wish public stoning was an option (still is in parts of Iran, but for the wrong reasons usually). We need a better deterrant than:

"You're parents are going to pay for this"

"You'll stay in jail for a long time...unless you're under 18, in which case, you'll be released clear and free by the time you're 21"

"You're neighbors are SO mad at you"

"Hello, I'm your defense attorney. I suggest a comprehensive civil suit (and a less important criminal suit, no money in that) against these video game companies"

Yeah, the last one's not really a deterrant at all. It's more of a reward for acting like a criminal.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Robert Heinlein's punishment in Starship Troopers (don't even mention the movie), 5-10 public lashes, then the parent's get 5-10 lashes as well for letting their kids do something so stupid.



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Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

These teenagers actually tried to blame GTA for "teaching" them how make Molotov cocktails?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_cocktail

This is so much more fufilling. You can even check out the inspiration behind the Molotov moniker now associated with the weapon.

However, considering that these infantile numbskulls used Sprite bottles for their design, I'd venture to say that a computer (and a joystick for that matter) might be above their intelligence level. Just saying.

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Like other people have pointed out, how does pressing a button to throw them teach how to make one?

And honestly making a molotov is hardly rocket science. I mean how difficult is it to get a bottle, fill it with some flamable liquid, stuff a rag into the top, and then light it? It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.

Why is nothing anyones fault anymore? Why do we let people get away with lame excuses like this?

If anyone is dumb enough to belive those kids then they should be shot. Seriously.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

BTW No not kill them, just a wound in the arm or leg to teach them a lesson.

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There's no point in blaming the Police for this; they are not at fault when some kids blame a game and the media snatches it up. All you're doing is convoluting the discussion with your own stupid bias.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Since when did they include the anarchist coockbook with GTA?

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Personally I blame Prometheus.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Damn Prometheus and his fire!

Prometheus taught them how to do it, methinks.

 

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god damn i hate admitting the fact that i am from georgia.  at least i can say i was born in louisiana.  oh wait...

this type of thing pisses me off, because not only does it just fuel the fire, but it totally ignores the fact that it is learned behavior to use GTA as a scapegoat.  just like the retard in thailand.  yeah, sure, dont admit that youre just a god damned maniac, just say that "the video game made me do it!!"  so that way you can paint yourself as the victim of corporate brainwashing.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

They learned it from GTA?  Well, wikipedia told me that you make a molotov cocktail by filling a glass bottle with gasoline, sticking a rag in, lighting the rag, and throwing it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_cocktail

It also taught me that thermite is a combination of rust and aluminum:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite

and that I can make napalm with equal parts gasoline and styrofoam:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napalm

It is clear what must be done: ban all forms of learning except what the state/church/emperor controls directly!

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Forgot the key component on the thermite of magnesium powder as a starter element, otherwise you'll never get the iron oxide to burn.

High school chemistry... good times.

 

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Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Sorry for that oversight, but if you make any of those at home, kids, have my handle arrested, not its reference (had to make the C joke).

Back on topic to go on another tangent, Shadow Warrior taught me Kung Fu!

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Soak an electrically charged iron rod in salt water for a while, let it dry and mix it with the contents of an etch-a-sketch. There ya go. MUCH better than petrol bombs.

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Once again, a bunch of youths do shit that has happened since the 40's, hell probably even longer. However instead of "fighting against the man", their excuse is "video games made me do it". These morons probably think they have a get out of jail free card, and Jack Thompson will probably defend them...trying to push his ridiculous agenda (that is if he wasn't in such bad standing with the courts).

Honestly, I am 25 years old. I played GTA since it came out...I have never committed a murderous or violent act. Hell millions of people who have played it have not committed violent acts, yet a bunch of morons who lie out of their arses say that GTA taughts them how to make and use a molotov...bullshit. All that game teaches you is that it is a shiny icon that you pick up in an alleyway or ontop of a building.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

I was under the impression that making a moltov cocktail was a little more involved than picking up a glowing and floating bottle from some random rooftop.

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Sweet, more crap excuses that teens will use to get a light sentence on their heads. How come the courts never question where they got the games? The stores couldn't have sold them the games because they're underage, do you know how stupid a store clerk would have to be to not ask for ID? And how often clerks don't ask for ID...

I mean, seriously. Someone 18 or over must be buying the games for these teenagers, these underage adolescents. How come nobody tries to find out who? They just go out and automatically blame the video games developer when, in fact, it's most likely the childs parents who should be at fault.

-- Joshua Smellie

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At fault for the arson because they bought the game for their kid? That train of thought still implies that games were a large factor, unless of course he (the kid) had a history of mental illness and the parents knew that the game could trigger a freak out. Then they would be at fault because they bought the game.

 

 

-Entertainment isn't the reason the world sucks. It's the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

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Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

We should blame Jack Thompson for this. After all, it would make more sense than blaming a game if you think about it. They could have got the idea to blame the game from Jack.

 

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*looks at watch*....Any minute now, Thompson will pull his head out of his ass long enough to read and post a fucked-up "I told you so" before ramming it back in to sniff the digested beef stroganof he had last night........Aaaaaaaaany minute now......Just you wait...

J.D.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

I wonder if a computer forensics lab went through their computers to see what evidence is there?  More likely, they visited some web site about bomb making or maybe got their hands on the anarchist cookbook.  We had this interesting case in my computer forensics class which was a suspected domestic terrorism case.  The guy visited a CRAP load of bomb making, drugs(mostly weed), websites (also had a nice collection of fantasy/sci-fi art on the system).  If I was the police there though, I would search their systems, at least then you could likely show that "GTA made them do it" is false. 

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

I have always said this...."The world is never safe as long as I still have a match"

 

hee hee.. Fire + flameable stuff = boom!

 

Stupid media eats this shit up dont they!

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

 it scares me how  many rational sounding members of this blog know how to make molotov cocktails, of course then ive been trained on how to break a mans neck, push his nose up into his brain, blind him with a punch, cause cardiac arrest by hitting the solar plexus, use a dao, a balisong, ninja stars, so on and so forth, so who am i to judge.

Ohh and id like to point out that videogames actually made me think those things were either impossible or too hard. Well Kung fu and Full Contact taught me otherwise.

 

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

I thought you were just a jackass until I read this (push his nose up into his brain), but now I know you're full of shit.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

wow, you are a complete moron. it is completely possible to push someones nose up into their brain, which kills them. have you ever seen the move "The Last Boyscout" or more recently "Resident  Evil: apocolypse?"  in both of these movies some one is killed upward blow to the nose. its completely possible. so keep your "im insecure about myself and if i cant do it no one can do it" bullshit to yourself

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The most rational people are the ones who know how to defend themselves and those they care for by whatever means available to them. Besides, as pointed out a couple dozen times already 1)How hard is a Molitov to make?) and 2) the dozens of differant places we learned. ((you realize if the neo-cons read this they will be sh%*ting bricks right?))

 

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Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

HAHAHAHAAAA! COME ON! REALLY? Oh fer the love of god, just shut the fuck up! How hard is it to make a molotov cocktail? All you have to do is know that

-flamable liquids are flamable

-glass containers can be used to carry flamable liquids

-a piece of cloth can be used as a fuse to light the liquids.

 

That's it. How hard is that to figure out? Took me less than three seconds. I didn't need "instructions" from GTA.

-Entertainment isn't the reason the world sucks. It's the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

I bet the cops believe them when they tell them 'GTA taught me how to do it', or at least they don't instantly dismiss the idea. Why, because odds are they don't play grand theft auto and don't know that the game doesn't teach you how to make it.

However I bet the cops still place all the blame on the kids and not the video game.

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Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Guess this is an example of giving the benefit of the doubt. Not that the suspect is innocent, but that whatever the suspect says is true, in a situation where fact checking isn't possible at that moment.

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Really?  I learned 'how to do it' from Wikipedia.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

So... GTA taught them how to do it, and not Rodney Corronado going school to school teaching students how to make bombs, and telling them that it's OK.

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Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

If I were the police officer or the prosecutor of these suspects I would not blink at the idea that GTA taught them how to make the weapons. For me I would say "Oh, that's a peculiarity" and just move on to find out the motive for using the weapons on someone. No way I will be going "eeeeee" with a greedy smile and thoughts of Take-Two's money going into my coffers.

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After reading this I dont know who is dumber the police, the kids or Jack Thompson...

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

They really need to retire the "video games made me do it" excuse, it's getting old...

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

i learned about moltovs from the A-Team.

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Here are we -- and yonder yawns the universe.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

So?

I learned about molotov's cocktails at school when I was 12. Schools should be banned.

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Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Make them pay for the damages, confiscate their console/computer, kick them in the bllocks, slap the parents in the face & throw the lot of them into the street for public ridicule.

I know you lose a lot of nuance in text, perhaps the police aren't as gullible/negligent/corrupt/stupid as people think, perhaps the quote should read like this:

Officials said the teens -- ages 15 and 16 -- told authorities they learned "how to do it" *SNIGGER* from playing the video game *SNIGGER* "Grand Theft Auto." *RAUCOUS LAUGHTER*

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Where did all of these people learn to blame their problems on video games? What medium braught forth this bigotry? It should be banned!

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

rep +1

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Exactly, these kids didn't learn to bomb cars from GTA, they learned to blame GTA from a hysterical Media.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

yes we should ban the lawyers

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Shakespeare paraphrase moment there Cullarn?

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Actually, as far as I can tell, neither the article nor police actually place the blame on GTA, they merely reported the suspect's claims to have learnt it from GTA (Although apparently, they don't actually know how to make a proper molotov anyway, since they used plastic bottles, so that's yet another hole in their defense). It makes no mention of how seriously their claim is being taken, but hopefully it isn't believed by anyone.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

This is moronic

Molotov Cocktails take no brains to make. Just put a piece of cloth in a bottle of alcohol. Anyone who knows that alcohol is flamable knows how to make one

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

The mere fact that they had to "learn" to make molotov cocktails shows their level of intelligence.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

....Seriously?

I hate this Country.

 

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Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Don't hate the country; hate the people fucking it up and their reasons for doing so (if they have any).

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

I'm also oddly amused by any claim that someone 'learned' to make molotov cocktails from some other source. The point of molotov cocktails is that they're almost self-evident in their construction - if you were told to make something that would light a tank on fire, and given no other guidance, and only $5 to make it with, you'd probably come up with a molotov cocktail. Their simplicity and ease of manufacture is what makes them the weapon of choice for rioters and guerilla urban militias the world over.

Re: Teenage Arson Suspects Say GTA Taught Them How to Make

Kids have been vandalising cars pretty much since they existed. The excuses change, the behaviour doesn't.

 
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