Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

August 13, 2008 -

Could executves of Take-Two and Rockstar Games be prosecuted for an alleged copycat killing in Thailand?

Following local police assertions that the murder of a Bangkok cab driver was prompted by the killer's play of Grand Theft Auto, a Thai government official has called for prosecution of game publishers for instances of copycat violence.

AsiaOne Digtal quotes Somchai Jaroen-amnuaysuk of the Welfare Promotion, Protection and Empowerment of Vulnerable Groups Office:

When a player copycats a crime he or she sees in the game, the game maker should be prosecuted. Prosecutions will automatically force game makers to act more responsibly.

 


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Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

 One of my biggest questions here is, would this even work? I mean can you sue a company that is not based in your country and doesn't have any offices there. I mean if there are offices of games companies in Thailand then I guess maybe they could be sued, but would Thai law have jurisdiction over European or Japanese or American companies? The whole idea behind this law makes absolutely no sense to me. the worst they could do would be to not allow certain games classification or impose heavy taxes on certain publishers right? I just don't understand in any way how this could work.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Ok, so if prosecuting game developers for copycat violence forced developers to 'act more responsibly' exactly what kind of games would we be left with? Barbie Horse training adventures, Hello Kitty, and Let's be Friends, a game where you walk around a vast city and say hi to people and exchange phone numbers?

 

This reminds me of back in the day when Walmart censored Duke Nukem 3D. The box said that 'all violent content" had been removed. How exactly do you remove the violent content out of a game that is all about violent content?! What does that leave you with?! Did you run around as Duke giving high fives to the enemies?!

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

What a load of shit. So next time someone robs a bank and uses a Ford Mustang to escape and hits someone, Ford shoud be sued? How about the next time someone cuts someone hand off with a sword. Should George Lucas be sued since it happened in Star Wars?

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Gotta love JT really, he's like an avatar of the god of embarassing failure

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

I mean in the real world not in the game world.

I thought everyone knew that

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

JT, if you want everyone who posted on Gamepolitics to recive the death penalt, Ok do you want lethal injection, hanging, or a seat on Old Sparky? Don't forget John, you have posted here as well.

All you are is a little person that wants a big amount of attention, just like The Riddler, one of Batman's rouges.

 

To Thailand, you guys need to blame the guy not the game. Games don't have the ability to tell people, "hey, kill that person"

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

" Games don't have the ability to tell people, "hey, kill that person""

Well actually they do but 'that person' is usually someone in the game.

---------------------------------------------------- Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Thailand is one of the most backwoods countries in the world.  So far behind and yet proclaiming to be on the cutting edge in all things.

The submissiveness of the residents to authority is eye-opening.  Its a completely different culture from that of North America.  It is also very hard to understand it.

I'll tell you this though - if that Thai King said it was wrong to play GTA, most of that country would stop playing it. 

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Let me easily help you lot out here... he's threatened millions of American gamers and International gamers with a legit death threat... take him to the cleaners, he's gone too far now.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

I was hoping for an email or an easier form but that also means that anyone on here can send this complaint over to the Florida Bar and give Jack Thompson a headache

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Oh and where do I send this quote to the Florida Bar? They has a right to know

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Here's a link to the Bar Complaint Form.  It has instructions at the end.

www.floridabar.org/TFB/TFBResources.nsf/Attachments/AB230E7DCCC3B75385256B29004BD6DC/$FILE/Inquiry%20Complaint%20Form.pdf

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Jack Thompson has gone too far with his death threat to all of us GP readers... I'm going to issue a complaint to the FSC.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Who goes to jail if a teenager cruficies a taxi driver?

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

The teenager!!

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

That's crazy. But I don't think you can put the full blame (if any) on Rockstar or Take Two.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

WHAT?

This is so goddam retarted I don't think THEY even know what they just said.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

HAY, HAY.

Does it strike you guys that the kid was probably playing a pirated copy instead on an original one? I mean, if he was, then shouldn't the Thai government be blamed for it? Afterall, smuggling huge amounts of stuff wouldn't be possible if the officers don't accept bribes.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Now...

 

listen one minute...

 

and think carefully...

 

YOU are not responsible for actions of other people who you have no control over...

 

So THEREFORE....

 

Videogame Developers are NOT responsible for the actions of individuals who copycat videogame violence...

 

 

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Exactly! To quote legal analyst Scott Robinson, "There is no such defense as, 'The video game made me do it.'"

岩「…Ace beats Jack」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

I'm confused.  I mean, is this like the first ever copyright murder/crime ever to happen in Thailand?  Like, no one in that country ever did a copycat crime after reading a book, seeing a movie or T.V. show, or heck, by emulating a real murderer or criminal?  I'm just wondering if there was such a case before, did they go about suing the respective author, movie/T.V. studio, or criminal and his family in this same manner?

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

I'm going to go back in time and kill that god damn guy before he murders the cab driver. I'll say the stupidity of the Thai government made me do it.

---------------------------------------------------- Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

"Prosecutions will automatically force game makers to act more responsibly."

Yeah just like prosecuting citizens who break the law forces them to act more responsibly which is why there are no repeat offenders ever.

Oh wait

But this is BEYOND stupid, I sincerely hope that innocent until proven guilty is also in Thailand and if it is good luck proving anything.

So the guy said GTA made him do it. Does he have proof? Are you going to take his word for it just becaus eyou want that to be true or are you going to do your damn job and look for proof? If I kill a friend of yours and say that I did it only because my next door neighbor blackmailed me and threatened to kill my dog, would you instantly arrest my neighbor and prosecute him or would you demand that I show evidence (if you selected option 1 then you really should consider living in ye olde Salem).

Anyone can claim the game made me do it without showing evidence. I can drive my car on the sidewalk and claim Crazy Taxi made me do it. I can ram small cars off the road with a truck and say Burnout made me do it, or I can strap missiles to my car and blow up other cars claiming that Twisted Metal made me do it.

Or I could join the mob and say that the Godfather game and Yakuza made me do it. Or I could snipe the head of Thailand and say a combination of Hitman and JFK reloaded made me do it.

Anyway if I were a game devloper I would fight every case with all my legal might and if that didn't work I would sell games that insulted and mocked the Thai government endlessly.

But think about it for a second, would this new law apply for games not sold in the country that had to be imported? If it did then Thailand could sue pretty much anyone. (A scary thought).

I sincerely hope this guy is not listened to.

---------------------------------------------------- Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

So what the hell's it going to take to get Jack banned again around here?  He can come on here and wish death on all the other posters and get away with it?  Yeah, I know his original post got deleted but I've seen plenty of people over the last couple of years receive the ban stick or at least a stern warning for less than that, me being one of them in my earlier days.  I know he's a major personality on this site, but where's the line in the sand?  Is there one?

"There is no sin except stupidity." - Oscar Wilde

"De minimus non curat lex"

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

I'm all for allowing him if he's willing to offer meaningful input, but I'm also willing to say that him arguing in favor of all of us receiving capital punishment is grounds for banning.

Also, it's questionable whether any of this can potentially matter in his bar trial.  He isn't posting here in any sort of official lawyer capacity, and being an enormous douchebag in your personal life is probably not grounds for disbarment.  Yeah, he's all full of legal threats, but they aren't directed at us and I'm not sure there's a bar rule against that, either.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

I don't think you can ban someone if they post anonymously. You can delete the post, but you can't ban the poster if they don't have an account.

But please don't stop letting people post anonymously, GP! I enjoy posting without signing onto something I'm not 100% sure about. Maybe sometime in the future, I'll get an account. But not right now.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

jt . . . meaningful input . . . . in the same sentance??? my god man have you gone mad!!!!! =p

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Simple, everything he says becomes damning evidence against him for the Florida Bar's Case. In other words, he's is the reason why his career is "EPIC FAIL!"

 

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Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Again, if they are going to ban games for such reasons they also need to ban movies, music, talking, books, news papers, history...

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Not to mention Nerf Guns. You actually shoot with those.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

...the Bible, the Koran, etc. etc.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Wow...so if I or anyone ends up cutting up a strapped-down cop and then setting him on fire, can Tarantino be prosecuted if "stuck in the middle with you" plays in the background?

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

As someone who has never posted on a Thompson related article until now, can someone give me all the necessary info on this idiot's proposal for sentencing posters here to death? I perceive his comment as a threat on my life and wish to report him to his local authorities as such. Thank you.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

I agree. Although to be PC, he worded it in a way so that he wouldn't be affected by saying gamers who post here (though it would be ironic if his son posted here once since he is a gamer too).

岩「…Ace beats Jack」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

26 days and counting....

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Sorry about my immature post guys. I let my emotions get the best of me that time. In a way, by succumbing to petty insults, Im no better than Thompson. So I just want to make a point to be better than him by apologizing to all of you for my foolish actions.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

and you apologised!

 

JTs total apologies in like 25 years... zero

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

That;s ok.  You aren't like Thompson at all, you actually learn from your mistakes.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

JT should not get involved overall, he ll make a complete ass of himself 4 the 100000000000000th time and he ll meke this copycat killing ALOT stupider than it actually is.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

I have a polite request for everyone:

Please stop sinking to JT's level of petty insults, name calling, and death threats. 

All it does is prove to him that he's right, that we're all murders waiting to snap, and that he is a persecuted martyr on his way to salvation. Our argument is based on the fact than an intelligent, mature individual  is not converted into a blood thirsty homicidal maniac with the addition of an M rated video game. By acting like a lynch mob we undo the image that we wish to portray of socially acceptable individuals and become nothing more the stereotyped net lurkers foaming at the mouth waiting to troll at the slightest thing.

We may have the stronger argument, but simple fact is in order to show the rest of the world that we are the better man/woman in this argument we actually have to ack like it, lest those mentally compitent critics may use this unruly behavior against us.

 

Just my 2 cents.



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Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Slight hole in that logic. We can say absolutely nothing about JT in an article, but if an article is say, yhe Vtech shooting or this one, somwhow it's all the proof he needs. We don't nee to give him ammo, he's happy enough to jam a stick in a gun barrel and call it a bullet.

IT doesn't matter if we respond ot him or not, he's already decided how he sees anyone who so much as walks near the game department at Walmart.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

A valid point, however it's not because of Jack we need to take the high road, but for those critics who actually listen to what the other side says that we need to put our best face forward. Jack will yell into the wind because it did something that offended him, but not bother to realize how rediculous his actions really are. Most others critics are much more sensible (of course, compared to Jack, a rapid dog can be said to have more sense), and most are also willing to debate instead of dictate.

 

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Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

I joined this topic way too late.  Most of what I wanted to say has already said short of WTF.  I'm really surprised that JT jumped in on this (and yet at the same time I'm not).  I'm only surprised because I figured that he'd be busy with other stuff...

So if no one from T2 or R* shows up at the hearing I guess that will make Thailand really really angry, and they'll retailiate by wrting them a letter letting them know how angry they are.  It would be really funny if Thailand said something in the nature of "Hey you guys can't come here any more!", and the afforementioned companies said "um, okay"

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

One person getting killed is not that big of a deal. Murders happen all the time. I actually think its quite funny that everyone is going fucking insane over one murder.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Welcome to Thailand:

Proposed penalties for game makers is a lawsuit for making people act violently.
Penalties for drug traffickers are severe prison sentences or even death.

Penalties for trafficking of children between the age of 15 to 18 range from 3 to 15 years of imprisonment and a fine.

Penalties for trafficking children under the age of 15 ranges from five to 20 years of imprisonment and a fine.

Male victims are not included in the victim protection provision of Thai laws for trafficking.

There are no laws that criminalize labor trafficking and the trafficking of men.

Source: HumanTrafficking.org

Way to go Somchai Jaroen-amnuaysuk of the Welfare Promotion, Protection and Empowerment of Vulnerable Groups Office...appreciate the irony of the name of that governmental agency.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Guys, guys! Mike is not Jack!...Or did Jack post and GP deleted it?...Anyways, the guy your replying under isn't Jack! Direct your hatred elsewhere!

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Yup, Jack posted and it got deleted, personally, I think, from reading the few cut and pastes below, that it was probably for the best, in a way.

Frankly, I think Jack owes Dennis a favour for removing it, because to say it was self-damaging propoganda would be an understatement.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

The esteemed Somchai Jaroen-amnuaysuk of the Welfare Promotion, Protection and Empowerment of Vulnerable Groups Office should look to taken even further steps to curb the flourishing sex/slave trade in Thailand before making outlandish statements to stir up public sentiment for a proposal that would be completely unfeasible in the first place.

There are SEVERE penalties for trafficking in narcotics in Thailand include decades in prison or even the death penalty, and apparently someone thinks you should be able to sue game manufacturers for unproveable causal links between content and criminal activity. Meanwhile here are the penalties for HUMAN TRAFFICKING:

The 1997 Prevention and Suppression of Trafficking in Women and Children Act criminalize trafficking for sexual exploitation. Penalties range from imprisonment for a year to life and fines of $50 to $1000.  Penalties for trafficking of children between the age of 15 to 18 range from 3 to 15 years of imprisonment and a fine. Penalties for trafficking children under the age of 15 ranges from five to 20 years of imprisonment and a fine. 13  Male victims are not included in the victim protection provision of Thai laws for trafficking. There are no laws that criminalize labor trafficking and the trafficking of men.
Source: HumanTrafficking.org   http://www.humantrafficking.org/countries/thailand

Promotion, Protection and Empowerment of Vulnerable Groups? Time w.

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Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

What ever happened to being a man and taking responsibility for your actions? God damnit, stop trying to kill off personal senses of justice and responsibility with this scapegoat bullshit.

 

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