Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

August 13, 2008 -

Could executves of Take-Two and Rockstar Games be prosecuted for an alleged copycat killing in Thailand?

Following local police assertions that the murder of a Bangkok cab driver was prompted by the killer's play of Grand Theft Auto, a Thai government official has called for prosecution of game publishers for instances of copycat violence.

AsiaOne Digtal quotes Somchai Jaroen-amnuaysuk of the Welfare Promotion, Protection and Empowerment of Vulnerable Groups Office:

When a player copycats a crime he or she sees in the game, the game maker should be prosecuted. Prosecutions will automatically force game makers to act more responsibly.

 


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Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

So, a bit of digging and here is what I have found:

1)  He robbed the cabbie because his parents could not afford to give him more money to feed his cyber cafe gaming habit (desperate financial situation, and submissive parents that, for all intents and purposes, seem to simply take care of their son).  He was aggrivated by said problem, and robbed an older cabbie to get money for more time.

     I would like to point out that this speaks volumes about how the young man was raised, work ethic, etc, and is signifigantly more important from a legal standpoint than the fact that he mentioned GTA while he was being arrested.

2)  The officals have yet to release the record of what he actually played at said cafe (government cover up of a royal cock up).

     I find it difficult to believe that any police officer in Thailand, let alone anywhere else in the world, would not be capable of seeing past the 'video games' defense.  The parents testimony is rot at best, and I have a feeling the international community will be hard pressed to hear more about this young mans playing habits now that they, being the governing body of Thailand, have basically thrown the collective weight of the Thai variants of Mr. Thompson and the PTC onto the blame GTA bandwagon.

     Honestly, I would love to hear that he spent all his time in cyber cafes playing my magic pony online, Maple Story, or Ragnarok Online.  Oh, how priceless it would be to see them spin that.

     As for the massacres and blood Mr. Thompson promised, well we have a cab robbery gone wrong in a country known for economic problems and street crime, and a young man who thought that he could save his own ass by blaming a popular form of media.  He, by the sounds of things, is still going to get the death penalty regardless of the GTA defense, so a lesson to all those who intend to commit crimes.  Act batshit crazy if caught instead of referencing GTA.  You might actually get the charges dropped and you simply have to hang out in a padded room for a few years vice a concrete room with a man far bigger, and who was rather lonely, until you arrived.

 addendum:

Just hit up the gaming dungeon to read more on the "Tragedy" and I am irked about the freewheeling tossing about of the word "tragedy", but that is for later.  Reports mentioned that he referred to GTA IV during the arrest, but a body on here mentioned that GTA IV has not been offically released in Thailand as of yet.  Furthermore, again mentioned in The Gaming Dungeon (and from a spot of personal experience over seas), the market for pirated games and movies is huge over there.  Coupled with the lack of a ratings system (Thailand has no such system in place) and a massive underground criminal body that makes ILLEGAL copies of material to distribute for pennies on the dollar one whould think that they would focus on these to prevent an 18-19 year old (the ages are getting scrambled based on the report I read) from purchasing a game that should be played only by adults.  Or, look at the logical conclusion that everyone who reads that last sentence is going to come to, and kick themselves for this tomfoolery.

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Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

So, the next time a drunk driver kills someone else we should prosecute the alcohol manufacturers?

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

No that is the government's fault for rerealing Prohibition.

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Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

I blame Egypt, Norway and several other countries for inventing the stuff in the first place, and think we should get together a massive class-action suit against any country that claims to have invented an alcoholic beverage for every single crime that has ever been commited whilst under the influence of alcohol, because it is obviously their fault. ;)

 

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

quick offtopic side note. Do you know why beer and wine was the main beverages for thousands of years? Because until realitively recently it was safer then the damn water. Just a small educational break, just for the hell of it

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Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

At best, this will simply ban videogames from local sales in Thailand and kill their industry.

 

At worst, this will exist for more than a week. Two weeks maybe?

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

There won't be any extradition. The companies will be convicted without having to be present. Then they will be fined. The Thia government is doing this for money. They'll shout and holler and stamp their feet. But at most all they can do is put trade restrictions on american goods until we pay their blackmail money.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Yup, basic kangaroo fundraising. I don't see the FTC backing down to this though, it's too much of a slippery slope, and Thailand is too dependent on trade to enforce restrictions, besides which, considering the quantity of Black Market goods that get through their borders, they need all the legal trade they can get.

Basically, if the FTC agreed to this, then Thailand could blame the next crime on a movie, or another game, and continue attempting to fundraise, and if the FTC don't comply, Take Two could sue them for singling them out, they'd be between a rock and a hard place, so I don't expect this to be anything more than hot air, there might be a hearing, there might even be a fine, but I suspect it will never, ever get paid.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

The real problem here is the lack of personal responsibility. With all the bad press about "oh noes, everyone who plays gta will kill exactly 13.275 prostitutes", criminals are given a pretty easy scapegoat. It gives them the option of claiming "I didn't do it, GTA made me, I'm totally innocent, so put Take-Two in jail instead". And people like JT who blame video games for all the ills of society (even the ones that predate any sort of electronic entertainment whatsoever) are just encouraging this nonsense. They're giving criminals a way to excuse their behavior and take attention away from the crime by shifting the blame to those with deeper pockets.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

I just wanna be a fly on the wall for that Extradition Hearing...  "you want us to Extradite a Whole Company... wha???"

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Video games can influence behavior but it is up to the individual on how much influence a game has one him or her.  If a person is particularly weak willed then a video game will have a stronger influence on him or her, but is that the fault of the developer or publisher?  No, it is not.  Each individual needs to take personal responsibility for his or her own actions.  The Monkey See-Monkey Do behavior is not a defense.  This murderer chose to be a murderer.  Was his actions influenced by GTA4, possibly, but that does not make GTA4 nor its developers and publishers responsible because the murderer chose to be influenced by GTA4 in such a manner.

Also on the issue of minors, I do agree, and I think we all do agree on this, that games like GTA4 should not be played by minors.  However these types of games are not marketed for minors, and the developers and publishers, along with the ESRB have clearly marked these types of games with a Mature rating so that those who purchase such games know that the game is not intended for minors.  If a parent or sales clerk sell or buy the game for a minor the sales clerk and/or parent is responsible for they chose to act in such a manner.  It is not the fault of developers nor publishers that these games get into the hands of minors, but those who sell and purchase them for children. 

What Jack Thompson and similar folks fail is that they do not take into account of personal responsibility.  We are sentient beings and we choose what has influence on us and what does not.  We have a personal responsibility and accountability for our own actions.  GTA4 and other violent games do not create murderers.  Murderers create themselves.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

It's like weed or alcohol. "Control the drug but don't let it control you".

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

There's really more to that when it comes to alcohol or drugs. Genetic predispositions make people (statistically) 4x more likely to become an addict if a member of their immediate family has, or has had, drug dependence issues. Believe it or not the vast majority of people can use drugs recreationally, quit using, and never pick them up again. This, of course, does not include highly addictive substances such as opiates and nicotine which can make practically anyone an addict with a few uses.

The more research done on addictions of all kind, be it drugs, gambling, sex, or video games, the more we realize that genetics does play a role in creating predispositions to certain substances or behaviors. The same is being revealed to be true with violence and media.

If a child has a predisposition to violence, high suggestibility, PARENTS have to get involved and heavily monitor the media their children take in. There is absolutely no way around it. It's hard work, time consuming, thankless, and arduous, but it's the safety of your child AND those around them.

They used to say Psychology was all about pushing away personal responsibility with society saying "get over it". Now it appears to be reversed. Funny.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Well, that's not fair. I might be teased for my weak drinking ability and it could be for somthing like genetics, which is out of my control :( Now I know it's impossible to "train" to drink a lot.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

You know it's articles like this that make me want to get every gamer in the world to buy a crate of kewpie dolls. Every time we see someone acting this stupid each of us would send that person 1 kewpie doll with our regards. I wonder how long it would take these people to a) get the point and b) realize they are (at least in america) alienating an actual constituency.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Ugh, yeah, good luck with that Thailand.  *Shakes head*  Oi vey.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

A Thai friend I know is a big fan of old school fighters. He even makes amateur fight movies. Luckily for him he lives in the US....or perhaps he's not so lucky. Maybe Thailand's long arm of the law is able to reach him!!!

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

When you need someone to blame, the corporation is always a convenient punching bag.

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Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Interesting to note, if we are allowed to hold an organisation responsible for what common gossip, rumour and scaremongering claim is true, and if that organisation can automatically be assumed to be deliberately supporting anything that occurs on their watch, even if it is only gossip..

I am so calling for the extradition of Thailands' politicians for being part of a vast Pedophilia ring in that case.

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I'm working on my Masters in Clinical Psychology and my main focus is addiction. It's funny that we hold addicts, who are brought to a state of hysteria and paranoia that they commit heinous crimes because of the substances they ingest, more and more accountable because, after all, it is a personal choice to take the drug inthe first  place; yet we are becoming more and more socially accepting of the notion that video games can be used as a defense in criminal trials.

Put down the crack pipe and pick up a video game controller Jimmy, your civil liberty depends on it.

Bottom line, this won't fly. The US won't extradite them, and it is doubtful any European nation with half a brain cell will either. It's just easier for them to forbid their product from going into the Thailand market. That way when it does get there, and it will, it won't be there fault, but that of the black market dealer... oh wait. On second thought that won't work. That requires common sense!

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Nothing is going to come of this, its a big waste of time. Jack you're a pathetic loser who does not know anything about law. If there is a God you are going to Hell when you die. Yeah that about sums it up.

Rockstar says:

Fuck off Thailand, we don't have to take shit from you.

 

Oh, and on a side note, Jack, if we're all psychopathic nutjobs who, according to you, know where you live, maybe you should shut the fuck up. Just sayin'.

 

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Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: Rockstar says:

Careful, Grizzam, Jacko can take those words and turn it into a death threat, and have the FBI, CIA, LOL and WTF knocking at out doors.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Does no one else think it is funny that the country that agrees most with JT is Thailand? Maybe he should consider converting to Buddhism? I'm sure the monarchy is all about Freedom. And hey, they change their constitutions so often that JT can add in whatever he wants next time it comes around.

As for the actual story, I think that if they implement this then parents should also be shot if their children murder anyone. For that matter, so should their Preist/other religious figure.

I find it interesting that the same argument that SAVES this from happening in America, the "chilling effect", is the argument FOR it in Thailand. Perhaps JT has found a summer vacation spot... probably somewhere near the red light district.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

...WUT.

 

 

 

Seriously, my mind boggles at the stupidity of it all.  Also, you think the United States would really allow that to happen?  My bet is NO.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

 *Sigh* More bullshit from Tailand and JT *sigh*

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Among other things, not much planning is seemingly put into figuring out the logistics involved with enforcing this law.

Put loosely in another way, they want Take Two to be like an insurance agency that pays out benefits to people or families of people that got injured/killed by a gamer. Insurance is a transfer of risk after all, and this law proposal revolves around this concept.

Hooray, let's waste more government spending on a law that will have negative marginal returns! Who cares if it's only to further our agenda....government should help itself, not the people! :O

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

So, planning on expanding your prosecution list to other forms of media there, Thailand? Who will you have when Video Game outlets stop operating in your country? Books? Television? News Media? The Internet in general?

This is not a plan with an actual ending.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

While the Thai government is proposing ridiculous legislation, I'd like to throw in my two cents:

I firmly believe that ridiculous legislation should be detered by gunshots to the head. Any politico or legislator who either creates or endorses such legislation shall be shot...in the head. That oughta teach these idiot politicos.

Anyone wonder why the Thai government chooses to focus on video game legislation instead of...you know...the rampant child prostitution in their country. (Looks at one hand, and then the other) Child prositution, violent video games, child prostitution, violent video games...

Jack, do you live in Thailand? Do you even know one person (and have met them physically, not in some article in TIME)? Besides this specific legislation, what can possibly interest you in Thailand? Do you believe that they might magically allow you to keep your bar license if you sing in tune with their song? If you actually care about the PEOPLE in Thailand, I'd highly suggest looking elsewhere because I highly doubt that violent video game legislation is on the top of the list of things that the people in Thailand need. A more transparent government seems and detering unnecessary legislation take priority here.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Of course he doesn't, it's all about his agenda. He really doesn't care about anyone but himself and his fragile ego.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

So then if someone in another country copycats the killings in Thailand, could Thailand be prosecuted?

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Theres no way in hell this shit is gonna work.

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Just about sums up the intelligence of Thailands' beaurocracy if you ask me. Not that they hadn't demonstrated that admirably with their initial reaction to the reports.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

can we sue Thai government for being a hateful and cold corrupt government that harms the masses?? =^^=

One can even blame the government for forcing the people to steal and kill each other because they cannot manage the populace...

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Have they not proved it wasn't the games fault yet?  Geez.  Get on that proof.  The game did dick all.  I saw violence in many forms growing up, and if I did something wrong or hurt another no one would say it was the games or media I am seeing or playing (besides Thompson) they would blame ME!

The Kid got in the car!

The Kid killed the guy!

The Kid tried to drive away!

Rockstar games didn't to those things.   Quit being retards and focus on the task at hand.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

What I love is the fact that as soon as someone commits a crime and claim that they were influenced by the newest form of media scare craze (Rock, Comics, Video Games, Dirt) and are quick to blame and want to punish everything on said craze.  So what about movies, television, music that are way more violent than any video game? Or how about mental issues, desperation, life problems, society, and everything else that can play into leading to a crime, not to mention lets say... oh I don’t know the individual responsible for the crime, I know I know, crazy concept but just think about it.  People are so quick to blame everyone and everything else other than the real problem: the fracked up individual that committed the crime.  It just so happens that video games are the current easy target of everyone's hate and is the current favorite scapegoat.  I really wish people would stop blaming everything else and focus on the real problems.  If someone says that a video game influenced them, so what?  The human race (for the most part) are susceptible to sheep syndrome.  They will blindly follow out of idiocy (see Nazis and Hitler)or will blame the crime/problem on whatever they think will take the wrap for them. Besides, I’ve seen movies (in the main stream media) that are far worse than GTA. "Oh but video Games allow you be interactive with the violence and take part in its creation so they are different" o rly?! then what do you call drawing or writing or directing or imagining? Might as well sue everyone who does those things cuz they "direct" whatever problems and violence in their story/creation. /sigh

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Wow... I mean WOW.... Words can not express the stupidity.

 

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Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

A couple of people have mentioned Jack You-Know-Who already in the comments. It happens for nearly every article like this.

Can we try and drop it now? The man is fading into obscurity... let's help him along by not mentioning him.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Eh I see him as a mouse, small, harmless, and annoying, until the cat finds it, then it's small,dead,harmless,and annoying. Besides, he's already been here.

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Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

If anything, this will simply make companies never deal in Thailand again.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

*spits out coffee*

Hahahaha, are they serious?  Really?  Do they think they can actually prosecute Rockstar or T2? 

None of them are going to be extradited to Thailand.  So long as none of the employees take a vacation over to that country, there's nothing the government can do.  This smells of just a PR move and an attempt to get attention.

It's pretty sad that people have become so, well, f'n stupid that they shift the blame to the companies instead of having the individual be held responsible.  In fact the word "responsible" itself is a dirty word in today's world.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

 and what about movies? books? theather? havent there been any copycat killings based on one of those medias? 

Or are those yesterdays scapegoats?

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

heres a point that is pure EPIC WIN

 

how about the killer sue the Thai government for not 'acting more responsibly' and allowing the game to be sold in the first place. Cant have it both ways. Either ALL who helped provide the game (including the Tahi government) get sued, or nobody does. you cant selectively choose.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Oooh. Smells a lot like "win" to me.

I hope someone from RockStar reads your post and throws around that idea. I'd donate some money to RockStar/Take 2, if they made it public that they were going to drop a sue-bomb on Thailand for "not acting responsibly."

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

That, Sir, is most definately an EPIC WIN.

thinking about it... I could sue Jackie T. for talking about GTA and making me interested in it in the first place...  "But Judge!!! Jack told me all about this game! It's his fault!" 

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

now THAT is EPIC EPIC EPIC win

 

lol we so need to club together to take a lawsuit against JT.  i mean without him id never have heard of GTA, it was his obsession with it that gave me the idea to go buy it.

in fact, scrap that. Just say this:

JT told me videogames train me to kill people and steal.

so i need expensive rehab and its all JTS fault for not acting responsibly. He talked about it on daytime TV when lots of minors were watching. He marketed his theory DELIBERATELY to minors.  And as we all know, personal responsibility doesnt factor into the equation, im just a mindless puppet who must do what i see on tv/games/radio. And the source... JT...  therefore, blame lies squarely with JT. same logic!

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I wouldnt have known about the game if it wasnt for Jack T.  So that is my excuse.  I blame me biting into the throat of a person because I saw a lion do it on the discovery channel too, haha.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

Ooooooh

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Oh look at this...Jack Thompson in the mean time is shivering in ecstasy. He'll come by here later an announce, yet another, false victory.

This is an attention grab from that funky little asian country that thinks it is bigger than it really is. Once again teach people responsibility of their own actions. Finding a scape-goat is fun but it causes more problems down the road.

As far as I am concerned T2/Rockstar have been acting responsibly. They don't market the game to kids. The agree to have ESRB ratings on it (here in North America) that indictate which is appropriate for which age group. That is responsible.

Thailand = epic fail.

Re: Thai Official: Prosecute Game Makers for Copycat Violence

What the Heck! Prosecute the weapons makers who made his weapon, prosecute the car makers, they're going to prosecute everybody!

The parents raised him, prosecute them!

This is crazy, I weep for society.

 
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