UK Watchdog Group Calls for Ban on Upcoming Madworld
UK Watchdog Group Calls for Ban on Upcoming Madworld
August 13, 2008
The Daily Mail has published news of the first - but surely not the last - mainstream attack on Sega's upcoming Madworld for the Wii:
Players in the 'hack and slash' game, which is due for a UK release in early 2009, can impale enemies on road signs, rip out hearts and execute them with weapons including chainsaws and daggers.
The decision to release a violent game on a console which has based its reputation on family fun has shocked anti-violence pressure groups.
John Beyer, head of watchdog group Mediawatch-UK, called for a ban on Madworld:
This game sounds very unsavoury. I hope the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) will view this with concern and decide it should not be granted a classification. Without that it cannot be marketed in Britain. What the rest of world does is up to them. We need to ensure that modern and civilized values take priority rather than killing and maiming people.
It seems a shame that the game's manufacturer have decided to exclusively release this game on the Wii. I believe it will spoil the family fun image of the Wii.
An unnamed Nintendo spokesperson told the Daily Mail:
Wii appeals to a wide range of audiences from children and teenagers to adult and senior citizens, anyone from 5 - 95, as such there is a wide range of content for all ages and tastes available. Mad World will be suitably age rated through the appropriate legal channels and thus only available to an audience above the age rating it is given. The game is not made by Nintendo but by Sega.
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Resident Evil and Conker ruined Big N's family friendly image long before this. Not to mention Manhunt 2.
Is Manhunt2 out on the Wii in the UK yet? I've not seen it in Game.
Don't forget No More Heroes
Yes, we must ban this game for spoiling the fun family image of the Wii.
Then we must go on to ban the Saw movies and anything by Quentin Tarrantino because they ruin the family friendly image of celluloid!
Furthermore, once that is done we must take action to ban every single Stephen King novel from the shelves. These gory tales of horror and the macarbre are ruining the family friendly image of black text on white paper.
Then we must ban music by bands such as Marylin Manson and Panthera as it is ruining the family friendly image of radio!
Once that is complete we can begin the burning of works such as Saturn Eating his Children by Goya. This disturbing image and others like are completely ruining the family friendly image of paintings.
Finally, we can take action to sandblast any cave paintings that show violence toward the buffallo or mammoth, as these aggressive images are ruining the family friendly image of cave paintings.
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I would much prefer it if we banned the daily mail.
Hear hear!
"This game sounds very unsavoury."
There is my problem with the article... Hearsay... "Well someone told me it was horrible"... yes because thats how we decided what should be banned, or what rating it will be given
I personally don't have a clue whether Mad World deserves a ban from the BBFC, I haven't played! I have to trust that the BBFC will put the game through its paces and give it the rating it deserves...
As to the family fun image of Nintendo? Nintendo are a business tat wants to appeal to a wide range of people (including some of us grown ups)... there have been and will continue to be darker, more mature games available on nintendo's consoles... they may be heavily weighted towards happy colourful childlike games at times, but that doesn't mean they are limited to them.
Judging by the screen shots and descriptions I have read, the violence may be stylized enough to nab an 18 rating.
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Personally, I'd have thought the comic-booky, "black, white and red feel" would rescue the game from a higher rating. After all, realism is the aspect of gaming everyone seems to be getting so uptight about.
Gift.
The intensity may the be real deciding factor between a 15 and an 18 rating here.
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Well intensity is always the bottom line I guess, but I think the comic book style of this game may be a mitigating factor in the rating process... which is strangely optimistic for me :D
Gift.
Sad really, seems anyone nowadays will jump on the bandwagon of "Violent Games" to get attention. Bet John Beyer felt all big and important when the mail quoted him, how long before they wheel Keith Vaz out of the Parliament trough long enough to complain about this one.
This game will be rated 18 i am sure, which kind of explains itself - if your not 18 you shouldn't be playing the fuggin game. If parents let kids under 18 play them don't bleat as its your fault!
"Without that it cannot be marketed in Britain. What the rest of world does is up to them. We need to ensure that modern and civilized values take priority rather than killing and maiming people."
oh thats alright then, rest of the world can go swivel as Britain is the Utopia of the future, no knife or gun crime here.
Well yeah. What the the rest of the world does is up to them. British MPs (and other Britsh based insanity groups) should try to make Britain a "better place" (sometimes, like now they should not even attempt that but hey). While that does not mean we should not look at other counties, we should not try and force our values on other counties. The UK does not have as open gun controls as say Greece, but we have not right to try and tell Greece how they should control guns. Or video games. Or anything else.
Last I checked some of the regulars here are from the UK.
I am simply using the terms used in the article. You are correct, this would cover the UK, but Britain and the UK can be used interchangable (unless your Scotish, Welsh or NIsh. ;) )
This is rediculous. Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles, Manhunt 2, Return of the House of the Dead I&II, Alone in the Dark and Mortal Kombat Armageddon are all violent games for the Wii. If Manhunt 2 was unbanned then I can't see Madworld being banned. This game is most definetally not as violent as that.
Don't forget No More Heroes, where decapitating an enemy treats you to a shower of blood and money.
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And a few random phrases being spewed by the targets, such as "I don't feel so good", childish whimpering, and the ever-lovable "Agh, my spleen!"
If you go by that same logic, ban Pulp Fiction and Goodfellas for spoiling the family fun image of movies!
Ban Nas for spoling the family fun image of music!
Ban Secret Diary of A Call Girl for spoiling the family fun image of TV!
Shall I continue?
Video games aren't just for kids, butthole!
I don't think the argument is about video games in general, but specifically about the Wii.
The problem is that it completely ignores the fact that Reggie Fils-Aime himself said that, yes, the Wii would have games aimed at adults such as this. Nintendo learned their lesson about this sort of thing when the otherwise completely inferior Genesis version of Mortal Kombat outsold the SNES version because the Genesis version had the blood code.
Actually his argument has some merit although he may not have realized it. The production company that produced Pulp Fiction is owned by Disney.
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"Ban Secret Diary of A Call Girl for spoiling the family fun image of TV!"
Don't you dare...
This is why I hate the Daily Mail. They are so bloody ignorant! America has Fox News to humiliate itself, and we have the Daily Mail...
When will they understand that there is a perfectly good rating system in place. I mean we use two!!
Besides going into a store and buying an 18 game whilst being underage is harder than buying alcohol!
As much as I hate to defend the Daily Mail, this article was remarkably balanced and free from editorial bias. All they did was report the watchdogs viewpoint and then give Nintendo and Sega a voice as well without adding their own commentary.
Let us not shoot the messanger ok?
When the messenger is the daily mail I'd personally be handing out the bullets...
I'll take the black talon hollow points, please ...
I hope this is not going to have a Manhunt 2 pulled on it. Banned in the UK and given an AO rating in America. :(
LOL Daily Mail.
I wonder how much their libel insurance is after their recent payouts?
Seconded.
So whats the deal with the British and video games anyway?
And that airline food, whats up with that? :P
Well, all these attempts at censorship come from having a Government which will have an internal leadership struggle, where the Politicians vote who is boss, but refuse to have a general election, where the people vote who is Boss. When you are a Government like that, controlling information is important.
The people never vote who is boss in the UK - our system doesn't work like that. We vote for the party in power (pedanticallly we don't even vote for the party.. vote for our local MP who is from a certain party who then sits in parliament and represents us, and the one with the most number of MPs gets in), and that gives them a mandate for a maximum of 5 years. The prime minister is just that - just another minister who happens to be the party leader at the time (in browns case for about the next month I expect).
In turn the PM has little power beyond the title. Unlike a president he can't propose/veto laws on his own, send the country to war, etc. - he has to go back to parliament and ask, and quite frequently (especially recently) gets told to stick it up his arse.
One leader stepping down then another taking over isn't unusual.. John Major took over from Thatcher in that manner. What's unusual is there not being a bun fight over the next leader (which can be entertaining to watch) - we'll get that in the next month or two though.. Milliband is looking hot favourite at the moment but he won't be the only one.
Actually, Major is a good example for another reason, since he ended up being kicked out by the largest majority ever when he finally did hold an election, something that looks to be repeated with the Labour Party this time round.
In a way, it's a pity, after years of Thatcher, I don't want the Conservatives in power again, but Labour may as well just hand them the keys and walk away with their recent policies. It's a pity because I like my local politician, she's good at her job, but when it's apparent that the higher echelons of the party get most of their policies from reading the Daily Mail each morning, you have to start comparing bigger pictures with smaller ones.
Players in the 'hack and slash' game, which is due for a UK release in early 2009, can impale enemies on road signs, rip out hearts and execute them with weapons including chainsaws and daggers.
Sounds like fun to me.
The decision to release a violent game on a console which has based its reputation on family fun has shocked anti-violence pressure groups.
I hate how "Family Fun" means "the kids are having an OK time, but the adults are bored to tears." Aren't parents part of the family, too? Aren't they taken into account when people talk about families? When did teenagers get kicked out of "family"? It pisses me off to no end when "family" is used in place of "stupid fucking kids." Even an alcoholic wife-beater is part of a family. Make sure he's got something to play.
The youngest person in my family is 22. Even a family trip to a strip club is "Family Fun".
Similarly the term 'all-age' annoys me which means '1-12', as if nobody was ever older than that.
If something is for children people should have the guts to say 'for children' not make up BS terms for it.
When they say "family friendly" they mean entertainment that the whole family can enjoy together. So kids and parents can have fun at the same time.
Yes the Mom and Dad are part of the family, but entertainment geared specifically for them will not always be family friendly, but it shouldn't have to be.
There are plenty of Family Friendly games on the Wii that no one should be worried about ruining the experience. It is also not like Nintendo is sending everyone a copy of Mad World as part of the daily updates and making the only thing that will run for a couple of days.
The game is a choice not a requirement.
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Because of course, we all know the only time parents play Video Games is with their children. That's why, for Christmas Eve in around 1979, I was laying in bed at 1am listening to Dad playing Space Invaders on the 2600, which was supposed to be a Christmas present for us kids ;) That was 3 decades ago, and, gosh, Adults still play Video Games.
It's just like, when you send your child to bed, you don't watch Action Movies, because, even when the child isn't there, you might telepathically pass on the violence...
Oh wait, that's Bullshit, hmmm...
Probably means it will be in the Daily Mirror tomorrow then.
If I become a game developer (I won't but for the example) I'll be sure to refuse to release any games to the UK, but then flood the black market with ultra violent tripe, just to fuck with the dipshits.
-Entertainment isn't the reason the world sucks. It's the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson
So just so I'm clear...
You are going to not send out games to countries that have random groups of nut jobs that want to censor games?
Where are you going to be selling this game?
The marketing behind the Wii - even as far as the name - is that the system is for EVERYBODY. Everybody includes people who enjoy mature themed games. Get it through your head watchdog groups, adults enjoy games too.
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I was not surprised when I saw this yesterday, in terms of its source. The Daily Fail helps left-wingers and right-wingers collaborating to form a UK nanny state.
I had a laugh when it called Madworld the "most violent" game. I think they're a bit jarred by the graphic novel style. It tends to make red blood stand out far more.
As far as this "Take that crap off my (game system)" that's the mentality I'd expect from rabid console fanboys, the types that don't want shooters infecting their Wii, or kiddie games coming into the PS3 (I've ran into some Sony fanboys that have no interest in LittleBigPlanet). Nintendo marketed the Wii as a family console but I get the feeling that developers and critics are piling misconceptions on top of it, creating a stereotype of sorts. It's true what they say: perception can dictate reality.
"don't want shooters infecting their Wii" Hello, Resident Evil? Virtual Console?
Perception (mine, anyway) dictates that there are three types of games on the Wii:
1) Third-party kid-friendly party games and licensed shovelware.
2) Games made by Nintendo, usually with "Wii" in the title or continuations of existing franchises, ranging from kiddy (Mario Party) to not-so-kiddy (Twilight Princess).
3) Third-party only-for-adults blood-and-guts hack-and-slashers.
Then there are the oddball games, like sequels to RPGs I didn't play, surgeon simulators, and adventure games that only reviewers have heard of.
I am personally not interested in 1) or 3). I will not buy them, I will not play them, and I will let the market decide instead of pointlessly protesting them. Speaking of which, how many gamers still remember that Manhunt 2 existed?
Off-topic: Wasn't No More Heroes censored to have black instead of red blood?
Off-topic response: No, there were two versions of the game: the U.S. showers-of-blood version and the international enemies-turn-to-upwards-falling-ashes, kinda-poetry-through-violence version released in Japan and the U.K.. It is disputed which one is the original, intended version: blood or ashes, but noone has confirmed which one. Still, both versions were released, and IMHO, both were absolutely amazing.
The Daily Mail are sort of right to be worried about this, but not in the way that the Daily Mail thinks it should be.
Nintendo has, over the past 12 months, done wonders for the image of gaming in the mainstream. The DS is something Fern Britton isn't afraid to be seen promoting on telly. Wii Fit is invading shopping centres and encouraging people to have a go. You can easily hear people who are "not gamers" talking about games.
It's quickly becoming the case where you can see a Wii parked next to someone's TV and not instantly assume they live with a hyperactive eight-year-old. A couple of news reports about how "watchdogs are warning consumers that Nintendo, creators of the popular at-home personal trainer Wii Fit and other family-friendly titles, has a new brutally violent game on the shelves" is going to erode gaming's new-found faith in the public eye.
That is bad news for gamers worldwide, as the first step in shutting down the anti-gaming groups is to get gaming an "accepted" mainstream hobby. Basically we really want to reach the point where we feel comfortable putting "playing videogames" in the hobbies section on our CVs. The public doesn't consider the average moviegoer to be a snuff film fan, but a significant proportion considers the average gamer to be someone who gets excited over realistic decapitations.
Your argument does not actually work in real life.
This game is not made by Nintendo, so therefor, no one really associates it with the Wii. When the average person thinks of the Wii, they think Mario and such, not Mad World.
As has been posted many times, the Wii has already had its share of M rated games, yet the have not damaged the reputation of the console in the slightest. Everyone complained that Manhunt 2 was going to ruin the Wii for the common family, hasn't happened yet. It is still relatively impossible to find on on the shelves.
No one complained at all about any of the other M rated games, so there is no real problem with it.
Also, the average person is not a member of extremist organizations such as this UK group and the PTC. They recognize the fact that they will see M rated games on the console.
So why do you think that this one particular game will ruin the Wii's reputation?
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We need to ensure that modern and civilized values take priority rather than killing and maiming people.
Alright... I'm confused here, but from my understanding (and hours of game playing everyday) I have never killed anyone, or maimed anyone on screen. I did however see coloured pixels on my screen which I then proceeded to throw other coloured pixels at it which made those pixels turn into a gib which then counted as a frag.
Where is this killing and maiming?
It's even not so much ecouraging values of "killing and maiming" that the video games have, but rather the thrills that you get from them. There's something called suspension of disbelief. The writers of the Daily Fail should try it.
Blocking out certain parts of a culture is impossible in a non-fascist state. Who is going to enforce the ban on these things? Haven't we learned anything from the Nazis and their pro-Germanic, anti-Semetic stance?
"The decision to release a violent game on a console which has based its reputation on family fun has shocked anti-violence pressure groups."
Are they just completely unaware of two Resident Evil games, House of the Dead, No More Heroes, and Manhunt 2 already existing on the console? Yeah, probably.
Oh well, at least Sega is getting some attention for one of their games, ba dum pish.
Can't freaking wait for this game to hit the US. Sucks to live in the uk with idiots like this around I guess.
We have our own idiots to wory about. PTC, NIMF, CSM, CCFC, John Bruce. etc
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Your right EZ, that much is true. Still, they are less effective, that is to saw, almose completely impotent over here if you ask me. Not so over in brittan
"You want a story, here's a story for ya. Demons over there, Kill they ASS" Ben zahtzee croshaw, smartest man on the planet.
Err, so far one game has been delayed.
So how are they effective?
Your right EZ, that much is true. Still, they are less effective, that is to saw, almose completely impotent over here if you ask me. Not so over in brittan
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The US had the Hot Coffee and Oblivion debacles, the UK had Manhunt 2.
Horses for courses, both as bad as each other.
Nobody has stopped Mad World from being released in the UK, and the BBFC have given no indication that they intend to do so. All you have is a pressure group, just like the PTC, sowing FUD. So how is this any different from what you find in the US media on a weekly basis?
However, I accept that things can be pretty bad in the States what with FUD surrounding Columbine/V-Tech etc, so it's understandable that you'd want some other country to be worse off than yourselves, just to make you feel better about your own situation.
This is funny since Nintendo keeps trying to shed it's "family friendly" image.
It seems a shame that the game's manufacturer have decided to exclusively release this game on the Wii. I believe it will spoil the family fun image of the Wii.
Good; I hope it does. I've had it with people who look at me funny and almost tell me through their expressions that "The Wii is for kids" when I tell them that I have a Wii. I absolutely hate the little kiddie image people have for the Wii; I want it to be taken seriously.
But that's not the only reason I'm gonna get this game. I mainly want to get it because it looks amazing and will probably have better gameplay mechanics than Manhunt 2 (although I'm trying not to keep my hopes up, so as to be surprised when it rocks.
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"The decision to release a violent game on a console which has based its reputation on family fun has shocked anti-violence pressure groups."
Where the hell were these guys when Manhunt 2 was big news? Perhaps they're shocked all the time because they have really bad memories. "The Olympics is taking place in evil communist China? I am shocked about this recent turn of events."
Nintendo being family friendly?
They obviously missed the news that Manhunt 2 & Resident Evil 4 were both released on the Wii.
lol
I love to laugh how many of those people don't understand that there were many mature & adult games on the Nintendo consoles from the SNES (MORTAL KOMBAT 1 2 & 3), N64 (Turok, Goldeneye007, Perfect Dark, Conkers Bad Fur Day), GameCube (Enternal Darkness, Resident Evil 0, 1, 2, 3 & 4) and the Wii had already got a few like Manhunt 2 and No More Heros.
So I will enjoy looking at Madworld,
And hope that SEGA will persure BBFC like Rockstar did when Manhunt 2 was refused classification and go directly towards apealling the case if anything like this were to happen to them.
Also I love what the Nintendo Spokesperson said, that Nintendo had catered games on their console for all different kinds of ages and tastes.
It is just as important for Nintendo to provide games on their consoles like the families of Wii Sports, to the long time Nintendo Fans with Super Smash Bros Brawl and even the mature and adult audiences that would love to play games like Madworld.
I have better faith in Nintendo that they will never go back to what they were in the early 90s when they were afraid of those family groups criticising them all becaiuse they have a few games that contain violence and blood.
if by "family fun" you mean that massive parlement size load of shovelwhare that has afflicted the wii then everyone would be better sevred not banning games that have undergone substatial dev time. trying to protect the uk or any contry from violance on a national level is the eqivlent of saying "we must build the great firewall of china to protect our youth from video games." it is that type of "the giver" style of censorship that robbes us of life and cultural exchange. this is more of an insult to nintendo whos years of strict lisensice has cost them greatly in the xbox ps2 gamecube console era never have i seen more oversteeping asociade with a govermental party trying to matian a certian brand image and if none of that phases you i say good luck you commie b********.