Xbox Live Partners with Rock the Vote

August 21, 2008 -

Stop playing Too Human for a few minutes and make yourself a player in November's presidential election instead.

Beginning next Monday, Xbox Live subscribers can register to vote while using the popular online gaming service.

The innovative feature comes as the result a partnership between Microsoft and Rock the Vote. XBL voter registration will go live just as the Democratic National Convention gets underway in Denver. In a press release, Microsoft describes the surprising move:

A leading gaming and entertainment platform just became a leading platform for change. Microsoft Corp. and Rock the Vote today announced a groundbreaking partnership that will allow Xbox 360 owners to register to vote, participate in presidential polls and voice their opinions to the presidential candidates.

Of the unprecedented partnership with XBL, Rock the Vote's Heather Smith commented:

Xbox is a natural partner to help us reach out to youth voters. To realize our goal of registering 2 million young Americans by this fall, we need to go where young Americans are, and there's no doubt in our minds that many are on Xbox 360 and Xbox LIVE.

Xbox will be on hand at both conventions to promote the Rock the Vote partnership.

Via: Marketwatch

UPDATE: Voter registration will apparently not be finalized through XBL. Rock the Vote will apparently need to mail potential registrants a packet to complete.

By the way, you can link to Rock the Vote from GamePolitics via the link in our right sidebar. We're about three years ahead of XBL in implementing this...


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Gallagher can araç kiralama say all he wants, but I strongly rent a car believe it's due to his crappy leadership and E3 being a joke. ESA's Board of Directors need to find a way to get out rent a car of this horrid contract with this Bush cronie before there's no one left on the Board.

Btw, I think Atari and Midway will drop out too, but mostly travesti because  these guys have done nothing ttnet vitamin or little and need to start saving costs.

YES.

Now I don't have to get off my ass for the important shit anymore!

Whats next, ordering pizza from Xbox live?

Wait... I think that sounds like a good idea.

But I think voting should MAKE you get off your ass, and see outside or a second while you go vote. I mean, your picking the president of the United States of America for God's Sake... least you can do is drive down there and punch out a card.

 

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Gallagher can araç kiralama say all he wants, but I strongly rent a car believe it's due to his crappy leadership and E3 being a joke. ESA's Board of Directors need to find a way to get out rent a car of this horrid contract with this Bush cronie before there's no one left on the Board.

Btw, I think Atari and Midway will drop out too, but mostly travesti because  these guys have done nothing ttnet vitamin or little and need to start saving costs.

 

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YES.

Now I don't have to get off my ass for the important shit anymore!

Whats next, ordering pizza from Xbox live?

Wait... I think that sounds like a good idea.

But I think voting should MAKE you get off your ass, and see outside or a second while you go vote. I mean, your picking the president of the United States of America for God's Sake... least you can do is drive down there and punch out a card.

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Correct me if i'm wrong but i don't think the majority of readers just got off from a game of too human.. If we read from this site it is very likely we read gamereview sites as well and most of those didn't like that game very much.

Oh and i don't know if i like the x-box360 as a voting machine. I thought the pc was the multipurpose computer and that the x-box was the game station... The lines between console and pc is thinning.

Too Human

I didn't even know the game came out. I thought it had been delayed or something.

 

-Entertainment isn't the reason the world sucks. It's the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Since we're talking about voting...

Most non-voters don't vote because, as has been stated, the candidates suck. And no, they don't wanna vote lbertarian or green party or whatever, because they too, SUCK ASS.

Anyone here hear of Jon "The Impaler" Sharkey? He's a Vampire/Ametuer wrestler who is running for president and was recently arrested for stalking his ex-girlfriend. No joke. I'm serious. Who the fuck would vote for that?

If you want to increase the amount of voters, pony up with better candidates. Shit...

 

-Entertainment isn't the reason the world sucks. It's the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

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I heard all about Mr. Sharkey when he announced he was running for Guv.  He ran in my state.  His webpage was downright creepy, I might add.

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Can I get a a thing on Xbox Live for my "Please Don't Vote" initiative?

I really don't get these "everyone should vote no matter what!" things. First off, I don't think there's anything wrong with not voting. I'm not the only person who isn't thrilled with either candidate, and frankly I'm a little tired of voting for people I don't believe in. The argument that if you don't vote it means you have nothing to complain about is a load of bull when you've got a good reason for not voting.

Second, the people who are educated and aware of what's going on, and care about voting, don't need to be told to vote. The people who are targeted by Rock The Vote are people who don't care and don't know anything. And while I think the stupid and lazy have the same right to vote as anyone else, I don't think it's a noble thing to try to force them to vote just for the sake of voting.

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In a Democratic Republic shouldn't we be doing all we can to inform people so they can vote their conscience or at least their own personal interests?

And really, people here seem to think voting is limited to presidential elections. Generally speaking, the President will have little effect on the day-to-day things that effect your life. The important thing is to get involved with voting for your local and state governments. Those areas where you can make a difference. Get involved with school board budgets, property tax debates, utilities regulations...these are the things that effect you the voter more directly.

Some kids in China faced down tanks in Tiananmen Square back in 1989 to have a small taste of what you dismiss as distasteful because most people only pay attention every 4 years. There are a lot of people in the world who wouldn't mind even having the Coke/Pepsi type choices we have now.

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Well put sir.

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this is...actually pretty clever. i dont know if it will actually get people out to vote, since in my experience a lot of the live people are 12 year old kids. but kudos to them, for trying at least. maybe they should do something in WoW, like a system wide message about voting or something.

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For those that want to register to vote there's a widget provided by Rock the Vote on the right side of GamePolitics and GameCulture and also on the main ECA site.  Just click on the graphic and a form will pop up for you to fill out.

Brett Schenker

Online Advocacy Manager

the ECA

Brett Schenker Online Advocacy Manager the ECA www.theeca.com

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DON'T RESPOND TO JACK THOMPSON GOON. THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT HE WANTS.

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Geez you people are so Freaking Negative!

*Ohhhh I dont like either of the candidates so I dont wana vote for either! Wahhh Wahhh!* Guess what folks that mentality is part of the reason this country is doing so poorly!!!  If you want something to happen then you have to stand up and make your voice heard in harmony with others of your belief(WHILE remaining Civil, something a certain someone doesnt seem to get,*Cough* Jack Thompson*Cough*) Thats the way our foreFathers did it and thats the way to get it done. 

-*Obama doesnt have any experience...*: Yeah and Bush DID and look at the job he has been doing!

-*McCain is so detatched from society...*: Well at least he is better then Bush! and He DOES know what war is like. or rather more people should have voted for Ron Paul as Republican Candidate.

-*I dont like either candidate still...*: There is always the Green Party!

-*I dont care...*: *facepalm* Leave, just leave.

 

*It will only mean something If I can vote from my home while playing Xbox!* Stop being so damn lazy people! The game will be there when you get back from the voting booth. It will give you some time to rest your eyes from playing that freeking awesome game you have been playing. (I still want to try Too Human XP )

*This whole thing is stupid!* Not paying some attention to what is going on in politics is Stupid if not down right retarded(no I am not calling people retarded, just the act of not paying attention). Ignorance and not paying attention to what is going on in the world of politics is another reason that the country is doing so poorly(In compairison to how it could be doing). Is it boring, yes! But it is necessary! If you right a petition to your senator, to them each signature equates to about 1000 people who agree with you(Dont hold me to that number since I cant remember the specifics!) So if you get enough people to sign the list you can make your voice heard by your senator who upon seeing all those who have voiced their opinion in the petition and thinking about all those who have not but probably agree, they will almost have to listen to the petition and follow along or fear the Possible repercussions.

We the people have a great deal of power, however a comination of lethargy, complacency with how things are being done, along with other factors have lead to the tarnishing of the honor and integrity of this country. Now I dont want to sound like some patriotic nutjob who is trying to place the blame on someone else since I am just as guilty as everyone else, I AM however trying to change that. I KNOW that my post has sounded rude and standoff-ish, but you know what I am not going to change my post. I am so tired of people walking around saying there is nothing I can do and not even trying to fight the things that go wrong or those who refuse to pay any attention to politics since they just dont care or who think it is boring! If you dont like something but refuse to try to stand up and try to get involved in fixing the problem, them why dont you move to another country! I hear that there are some other countries that are looking for some more people to trod upon!

 

 

Responsibility: Something that everyone has, but no one seems to want when something goes wrong.

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I vote in mid-terms, i vote for county commissioners, board of education representatives, town council, state senate, state assembly, governor, etc.  It's not just about the Presidential election. People have more choices than they even bother to look up.

While I might not have been so demonstrative, thank you EvilTikiMan for pointing out the wrongness of voter apathy. You're right to say it. In 2000, a few hundred votes go the other way in Florida, and we may not have an Iraq quagmire. In 2004, a couple of thousand votes in Ohio, and we might be complaining about President Kerry today. These votes DO matter. Even if you don't like the candidates.

I'll point out right now, impartially, a McCain victory means he is beholden to the religious conservatives in his party and will be required to pick anti-abortion judges and justices, and vice versa for Obama. With several Supreme Court Justices getting pretty elderly, change will be coming in the next 8 years, and the interpretation of the Constitution will also change with these judicial appointments for life. This goes a bit beyond restructuring the tax code for a few years.

Read up and vote...hold your nose and swallow if you have to...but take a stand. Otherwise, run yourselves in 4 years, but don't ever complain because someone didn't hand you the perfect man/woman on a silver platter to heroically charge to your rescue.

 

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You are right, bush had no right to be in office in the first place, but he is in there long enough that if someone would be in office and would do a general review of all of his actions he could get sent to jail for the rest of his life.  The green party isnt an acceptable party either.

I am making my voice heard, and I am gathering people that agree.

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You're another reason why kids shouldn't vote. They have no understanding of the Electoral process.

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I am saying that was my idea at the time.  I should have made that more clear...  my bad.  You are right though, but it isn't just kids, it is people who are not actually educated on the candidates, the process, the issues, and where everyone stands.  I learned so much more since the last major election that I wish I would have known.  There are people I support that ran though, just not the people in position now. 

I was for Edwards and Romney for the most part, but still wanted to get more information about them.  I already knew what McCain, Obama, and Hillary were about, and that there was no way I could justify voting for any of them.  I think the electoral process should be changed though.  Seriously, when most of the people I talk to right now say they dont want either of the 2 people running, then there needs to be a way of changing that.  There are only 2 people running, the green party will not win. 

The liberal nut case running does have some good points, but there are some things he says that are just crazy, and if someone would tell him that, ht would prolly go fruitloops.  At least if someone told me that, I would be like, alright, I'll evaluate that area and get back to you.

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I'm sorry, but all these "get out the youth vote" campaigns are just dumb.  All of them focus on "participation" rather than actually encouraging voters to become educated about what they're voting for.  People who aren't motivated enough to learn about issues for themselves simply shouldn't vote... right to do so or not.

It's like encouraging people to perform brain surgery who wouldn't ever be bothered to go to med school.  At least they're participating right?!?!

It's a scam for recruiting "sheep" voters... the only people benefiting from it are career politicians who don't deserve their offices.  How many youth voters... who wouldn't have voted if not for a free rock concert or an xbox-live "achievement" ... simply won't do any background research on candidates and might end up voting for someone who is in favor of video game censorship?

It's electoral russian roulette.

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You're right. Just take this site for example. You have bunch of morons acting like they know something. The kids here have a naive view of the world. They have no understanding of the problems that the US are facing. Stupid kids should not vote.

The public school system producing morons after morons and it shows.

Stupid in America

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That would be cool if I had Xbox Live.

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Hardest part may be to stop playing Too Human.  I know it's getting a thrashing from critics, but damn it if it isn't fun and addicting.  Killing shitloads of mobs NEVER gets old....

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I dont think our democratic and republican canidates should waste their time on talking about "gamers" or murder simulators you call "video games", Our presidental canidates should work to stop the issues of crime rates high in american and the real culprit and terrorist of the United States of American, Is a terrorist called "Video games", Not to mention fight obesity caused by video games, The american physcological association has found that children and young men and women who have been exposed to violent media has been shown to prove that our innocent youth can become violent heartless killer.

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I'm hoping this is sarcastic, just because of how bad the spelling and grammar are.

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He has the spelling and grammar of Jack Thompson Follower

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

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why don't you go after actual firearms instead of virtual firearms, because it's the real ones that are killing people

岩「…Ace beats Jack」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

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And you're another reason why kids shouldn't vote. Firearms save more lives and prevents over two millions crimes from happening. You look at the UK where they have one of the strictest gun control in the world and yet they have the highest crime rate in Europe. America crime rate is actually low.

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so true, but JT is so far up his own ass, he has the risk of choking on his own head

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I thought it was "that dude's so far up JT's ass, he can smell what he had for breakfast."

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You are partly right...  they should stop talking about video games, as well as abortion, same sex marrages, and so on, and worry about the problems our freaking country has. 

The real terrorist of america is the government as a whole for not taking care of the issues america has and worrying about gays wanting to marry eachother and other worthless stuff, wasting their time, tax money paying their salary, and so one.

These assholes are the reason 911 happened in the first place.  they ignored everything, and it is hard to believe there isnt some inside work when the air traffic control tower reporting the iratic flight paths was asked, is this real life or senero. Even more so that there were at least 8 senerios playing out that day and time ridding the area of any protection at all hardly.  Even worse is that those polits were trained for that exact situation, for those exact buildings, and their response time was 10 minutes, and it took them 80 minutes to get a single plane in the air.

then we have dumbass bush who goes after saddam just because his personal vendeta and ignoring bin ladin.  our government is the terrorist cell in the US, and their irresponsible behavior and lack of actually doing their jobs is why we are where we are.

The american psychological assosiation needs to be torn apart and rebuilt from the ground up and redo some ground level research on how the human mind works, and how to help people, because there are some extreme blind spots with the current assosiation...

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Too True.

Responsibility: Something that everyone has, but no one seems to want when something goes wrong.

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maybe tahts how we got the canidates we did, haha

I'll take responsibility.  I would go in front of all of the countries at the UN and say, as a person who voted for Bush, I admit responsibility for committing such a hanis crime on the world, and due to that fact, i fully plan on aiding Iraq in every way they ask of us, within reason, to help them rebuild their country to be better than it ever was.

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President Bush is a killer, why don't you go after him?  Of course you won't, because that would take actual skill and actually be useful to everybody.

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And you're the reason why kids shouldn't vote.

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Bring me someone worth voting for.  I know my 2 options, and they SUCK!!!!!  I want new candidates, these dumbasses are not what our country needs.  Bring me 2 people, or at least 1 that deserves to be president, then I will vote, but I cant justify letting either of those idiots to be president.  They have nothing to bring to our country that we need, just more crap to screw us over.  Hell, I'll take Guliani over those 2.  Obama has too little political experience, McCain is too detached from the majority of society who actually know how to use computers, and never of them have ever ran a city or state before, or a business at least.

I rather get raped than let either of these idiots win.  My vote is to have primaries again without these two idiots or Hillary at options.

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McCain doesnt know how to use a computer but wants to lead a country that is being driven by computers in almost every way.

Obama has no international experience at all, but wants to lead the country when we are in an international bind.

I would qualify them as being idiots for those facts alone, and greedy ones at that, because they only care about their own gain, not what is best for the people.

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I would have Lewis Black be my VP, and that would only be for the month or so I am in office while:

1. we rehold elections
2. Hillary get put in jail for financial fraud (which is true and she should be)
3. McCain as well as the rest of our political system would be require to be present during technological education courses, startin with how to start a computer, find things online, and send email
4. Federal Reserve System would be made part of the government instead of an ungoverned private body with no limitations
5. A board of morals and ethics would be created that consist of 5 people who are elected by the people

A. every year elections for at least one of these people would set in a rotational pattern where there are 5 year terms.
B. This bord would monitor and regulate government branches such as FTC, the government education board or whatever, electricity, reinvestigate 9/11 with the opposite of every demand Bush and Chaney made (Bush would be put in jail for 25 years to life for starting a war with a foreign country)


6. income taxes would be cut in half (thanks to the fact of not having the Federal Reserve anymore)
7. the gold the Federal Reserve took from Fort Knox as colateral to our debt would be relocated there
8. Nick Rockefeller would be sent to jail for conspiricy against the people
9. there would be a fence put up between Mexico and the US
10. the Amero would be banned to ever exist or anything like it in the US
11. the education system would restructure highschool to be a self progressive system where students can complete courses they are good at faster and easier than that current system
12. i would run in that election for anyone who actually wants to keep me
13. extreme tax benefits would exist for solar and wind power for houses since our power grids were never built to withstand the current loads they have
14. a full investigation in each politicain and their practices would be made yearly to ensure no under the counter deals with companies, other politicians, or anything else like that (aka required to actually represent their people) and they will face at least 25 years in jail for making money due to corperate deals
15. every politcians salary would be cut by 25%  at least (president would only make $250,000/year instead of $400,000 [addition to other tax cuts or changing where money is invested at least since our education system is the most important thing we have...])
16. highly debated laws are actually voted on by the people after being required to read through factual documentation and put through a test proving they know what they are voting about (maybe the same rule for house and senate as well...)

thats what my ideas would be at least

 

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Not to rain on your parade, but after a 50% cut in the income tax, how would you pay down escalating debt on Social Security and Medicare which faces major shortfalls even if we were to just wholesale get rid of the current Bush tax cuts? Would you continue to borrow against the programs? Also, who would audit the politicians on an annual basis? Would it be another governmental agency? Who would pay for it? Bush will be leaving office with nearly a $480 billion budget deficit. Cutting taxes in half with a Solomon-like sword would crash the value of the dollar and disastrous inflation would topple the financial markets.

Why would a morals and ethics board elected by the people be any less susceptible to corruption than those politicians elected by the people as well? What would guarantee this? BTW, it's called the Department of Education.

There's already a fence being built between the U.S. and Mexico...albeit an incomplete one and not very sturdy. Probably being built with illegal immigrant labor too. However, the cost should be about $50 billion to build JUST 700 miles of fence. This does not include the cost of land acquisition among private landowners along the border. Would getting rid of the Federal Reserve Board really pay for billions in fencing, billions in social security and medicare, billions for the reconstruction in Iraq and Afghanistan? Let's not forget the unfunded mandate for all U.S. high schools to change their curriculum. Good luck getting it past every state, school board and the teachers and principals unions.

As for salaries, you've made becoming a member of the House of Representatives unpalatable for the most talented people. Currently, Representatives make $169,300. Halve that, and it's $84,650 before taxes. Why on earth would an individual who may be talented at legislationtake the most thankless job ever to be paid like a management consultant?  Sure there are perks, but honestly, that opens things up more for Congressman to take payoffs and kickbacks.

You have some nice ideas, and I'm not doing this to make fun. But having seen how state and federal legislation works, and being close to staffers in those offices, you lack some practical knowledge for implementing most of these ideas. That's why it's foolish for most people to say that they'd do a better job. Every two years someone says that about their congressional district, get elected, and become just another cog in the machine. Same goes for assemblymen, state senators, Senators, Governors and Presidents. 

And while we're on the subject of the North American Union and Amero, any other conspiracy theories we want to consider? 9/11 was a Jewish plot? Maybe the UN is trying to forge that world government that is to presage Armageddon?

From the Boston Globe:

The amero, on the other hand, appears to be purely theoretical. It was first proposed in 1999 by a Canadian economist named Herbert Grubel, when the euro was first entering circulation. Grubel says he did manage to interest Vicente Fox in the idea, but whenever he brought up the topic with American officials, he recalls, he got nowhere. "There wouldn't be very much benefit for the United States" in an amero, he concedes.

And one month? Seriously? C'mon. You couldn't even arrest, hold kangaroo courts and incarcerate Clinton or Rockefeller in that time even if it were legally justifiable.

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It was a joke more than anything, but I love your points.

The Federal Reserve System is the primary reason for an income tax all together.  It is paying off the interest of the debt gained by over barrowing money from it, when if the government just ran that instead, then there would be no interest on that money.  Yes, it would cause inflation, but no more than the current system, and the people would have the money to keep up with it as well.

If anyone is trying to create a world government it is not the UN.  You have to look at the man behind the curtain as Russo put it I believe.  Conspiracy or not, either some people in the positions they hold are too stupid to be there in the first place and let this stuff happen, or there is a man behind the curtain pulling the strings.  Either way, things need to be fixed.

The income tax being cut would only be the income tax on the individual, not the corperate businesses, and I would make it so that the taxes that do exist are based on ratio of income.  So no steps where if you make $100,001 then you end up making less money than if you would have made $99,999.  Then the wealth will be pissed, but they still have massive change, so they can quit crying about it.

The money of the paycut to those guys would fund the investigation of if they are taking money under the table. (Come on, McCain owns 8 houses how?  Even at almost $170,000 a year that is insane.  Then Obama is making $4million a year?  I thought they were suppose to help run our country.  I rather have people in those positions that care less about the money, and more about doing whats right for the people and the country as a whole.  If they get their act together, then they can have their pay back, IF the economy and everything rebalances.)

The fence cost a hell of a lot less than Bush's war on Iraq, and would aid greatly on boarder patroller's jobs, which is  underfunded.  I am not saying I actually have everything worked out, but it is definitely an idea that would be interesting to talk and debate about with people like you who know the depths of the political feild.

Social Security is gone anyways.  It is going to take a massive reworking of government spending to be able to make social security last 100 years.  Medicare is a broke system that needs reworked as well.  I strongly believe in tough love, i got it as a kid, and I learned to live by it.  Most of use got at least spanked by our parents.  Between that and natural selection, there are a lot of government handout situations that should be stopped.  I believe that a lot of people would rework how they did things if they knew they couldnt live off of the government anymore.  I would definitely test polit the program first, but it is definitely something I would want to try.

See, and conversations like this is why I post in places like this.  I love the conversation, it makes me think about things I otherwise wouldn't, and yes, there are a lot of kinks to be worked out.  There are other ideas I have that involve secret military sectors and making some old programs public and get some of the technology out there for our companies to use to rejuvinate our economy.  There are technologies the military has studied and carried on with that are now outdated to them and could definitely be a benefit to some businesses.

I am too young to be president, but if someone is too young ran and won, what are they going to do, really?  It seems to me if the people seriously think the person will do a good job, then try it out.  The nieveness of a young person who doesn't see all of the limits of an older person can be a benifit sometimes.  The older people end up seeing limits in places where there really are none sometimes, and i think it would be good to get some younger blood in the political world anyways. 

If I was president, in all seriousiness, I would take the most minimal pay possible, or my pay would be redirected to things such as the education system's restructuring.  I am not saying this stuff would actually happen over night, but it would be tested, researched, and examined to see what is best for our education system, what is best for our country, and money should not be a factor to the future of our country if it is what is best and only a one time expense compaired to a long term expense of a non-working system.

I think I missed some points there, but this is all just for fun anyways.  I love you input though.  It really makes me think of a lot of things I didn't before.

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That's a nice, reasoned response, but my point really is that the President really does not have the ability to act unilaterally. There are hundred upon hundreds of people who provide data to our government showing that one thing may be better than another, and its impossible to enact ANYTHING without a give and take compromise.

Getting rid of the Federal Reserve will not get rid of the Income Tax. Nothing ever will. Accept it. Running a country on Bond sales and debt is risky and irresponsible. The governmental budget, while bloated, still has too many essentials that need to be paid for by US the citizens who are protected by the government, who drive on the infrastructure, who receive the mail, who use the Internet, etc. The problem with the Federal Reserve is its opacity. Its Board of Governors is still appointed by the Executive Branch, but there is little transparency or Congressional oversight. Absorbing the Reserve into a cabinet level office would create additional public costs and bureaucratize an entity already laden with red tape. Before the Federal Reserve, we had uncontrolled speculations, unstable currencies and bank runs.

The tough love system didn't work so well prior to Social Security when the Dust Bowl, Inflation and the Stock Market crash all conspired to bring about the Great Depression. Without some of these entitlements, in the 19th Century and early part of the 20th Century you had vast migrations of itinerant and impoverished Americans living in shanty towns, sometimes resorting to crime and often times dying off in droves from HUNGER of all things. Given that these programs are in place to make sure disasters don't overwhelm us. See also: Progressive movement, Upton Sinclair, Charles Dickens, for more on the horrors of a COMPLETELY laissez-faire government.

You see, these social programs didn't exist before, and the inhumane suffering that imposed on the poor was inconceivable. I'd love to see anyone convince the legislature, because the President again cannot impose such a measure, to just give up tightly held social programs. Maybe you can compromise some cuts here and there, but just getting rid of them would be next to impossible (and not to mention would be disastrous).

The fence cost is on TOP of the costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. You don't get to choose because any President now would inherit the conflicts. While it would be tempting for many to precipitously pull our troops out of Iraq, even the Democrats realize that would not be wise. Even so, many studies show that a border fence would really do nothing but soak up cash anyway, since you'd have to maintain thousands of miles of double-fencing consistently while illegal immigrants will still find a way to get through regardless. It always costs more than people think, and that could easily reach hundreds of billions of dollars.

 

I also have to point out that you made mention of Obama's lack of experience, but then argue for youth and inexperience to be beneficial. Obama will at least be intellectually curious and open to change. I can't see how a 72 year-old man who seems to have the EXACT same policy positions as the current administration could be open to altering anything at all. It's a nice gesture to refuse pay, but 400K is a tiny amount compared to total U.S. budget expenditure ($3.10 trillion in outlays expected this year according to Pres. Bush).

Thank you for the discussion, but while the U.S. is undergoing some tough times, I'm pretty sure we'll lurch into a semblance of good times again at some point even with our somewhat broken system. We need change, but revolutions are reserved for when we don't mind watching a multitude of average folk be abused or outright destroyed.

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Wow, very nice piece, and extremely good points.  Yeah, I know the president doesn't have the ability to do anything he wants, but the people do have the ability to force the government to do anything they want by voicing what they want.

Didn't the Federal Reserve quit showing all of their action a few years ago when before they were fully transparent on that? 

There are so many social programs that people just take advantage of when they are perfectly able to work, but refuse to.  I know someone who works the unemployment system by repeating the same thing over and over.  Work for so long, get fired, collect unemployment, do it again just when unemployment runs out.  There should be at least a 3 strikes your out system for that where you get 3 changes, then you can no longer collect from the government.  It would suck for some people, but people would only take advantage of that when they need it instead of living off of it.

Then medicare taking care of Viagra, I understand if it helps another condition, but that isn't the case for a lot of the people that get it taken care of...  There are other areas too where people are taking advantage of things like that where they shouldnt be allowed to...

For the president's pay, isnt that $400,000 a year?  So that would be $1,600,000, untaxed?  I thought all of these guys didn't have to pay income tax since they are high ranking...  I could definitely be wrong though.

Yeah, a revolution isn't really needed, but the system was suppose to adapt with the times, that is why it was built the way it was, but it has hardly changed at all.  There are some things like greed that are near impossible to fix.  Between ghost employments, and people doing deals under the table...  there is a lot of wrong doing, and to me it seems these guys have no pride in their country if they commit these acts, which seems to be most or all of them.  I think all of the private spending/income of these guys should be public so the people can nail them for doing anything the people see unfit.  This would include their wive's spending/income as well since that is how a good number of them hide it, among other ways.

Is it not enough to have the honor to represent your country and do your best to better your country in every way?  I know some of these guys put in extremely long hours, and have to be on the ball as much as these pop stars that the press always finds something wrong with, but I could never accept more pay than I felt I deserved, and prolly not more than what I need to live off of, especially working for the government knowing it is coming from the people.

I dont care what the reason is that McCain has 8 houses, if I am a senator, my focus is my job, family, and with as old as McCain is, sleep.  I don't need more than one house to sleep in.  If I did something really bright before getting into politics that got me money, then 3 at most, but I would have severed by business ties to not have any conflict in interest at all, and would not be pulling in side income other than maybe some small dollar stock stuff just for fun, but I would prolly just join a fantasy stock game for that so there wouldnt be any conflict in interest at all.

I still want to know how Obama made $4,000,000 one year.  That seems a little odd to me.  I guess with a universal healthcare system, we wouldnt have to worry so much about people taking advantage of medicare anymore then right?

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The President and the Congress pay income tax too...which sounds odd, but it's true.

Also, there are always talk of mismanagement and fraud taking place in terms of federal entitlements, but what I'm trying to say is that the alternative without any social nets is far, far worse. Medicare takes care of Senior Citizens...and they vote often mind you.

And just as a point of fact:

Campaigning for president has been very good for Sen. Barack Obama’s pocketbook, with his household income jumping from $991,296 in 2006 to $4.2 million in 2007, tax records show.

The Illinois Democrat had a net profit from book sales of $3.9 million, according to a copy of a 2007 tax return released Wednesday by Obama and his wife, Michelle. That total includes $169,706 in foreign income from overseas sales of his two best-selling books.

The Obamas’ salaries totaled $260,735, which included his $157,102 salary as a U.S. senator and her part-time salary of $103,633 as a vice president at the University of Chicago Medical Center.

The couple paid nearly $1.4 million in federal taxes last year, and made $240,370 in charitable contributions. Their largest gifts were to the United Negro College Fund ($50,000), the international relief organization CARE ($35,000) and Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago ($26,270).

-- From the LA Times

So, last year, Barack Obama joined the millionaire's club for the first time.

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Pretty sweet club to be a part of, haha.

Oh yeah, it is medicaid that I am thinking of...  I am only one of a huge number of people that get those mixed up...  They need to set it up so the names are extremely different...  Like Senior Medical and US Medical...  I donno...

Medicare still has 43million as of 2007 poeple under it though, which is over 14% of the US population as of 2007, which seems a bit high to me...  1/7th of the population...  we are definitely starting to live longer then.  That would be 100% of the people over the age of 65 then if my math is right.  It doesn't seem like that should be right, or am I missing something?

Ah, and the morals and ethics department would be Government Accountabiltiy Office, modified slightly from what I was saying before...

Vote for me! I suck a lot less than the others.

I feel your pain. Since we don't get a "None Of The Above" option when voting, I've already decided that I'm going to vote for myself. I've told my family and co-workers to vote for me as well, since I suck a lot less than the other guys do.

Assuming that I do get into office, Larry Flint will be my Vice President.

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Well, I don't think there's ever a time in political history when nobody thinks all the possible candidates are terrible. This isn't shocking to me. But don't call anyone an idiot just because they lack experience.

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I don't think this is going to get people to vote, but it will definatley get them interested at the very least. Either way, it's nice to see politicians wanting us to be on XBL to vote instead of bitching how we are all going to be serial killers someday because we like to play first person shooters. xD

And @ king of fiji, there is no doubt in my mind that will probably happen. xD I have a feeling they are going to do this program half-assed.

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Its not that I'm trying to be all doomy and gloomy with this as its not hurting anyone and might get people to care about voting its just that with this being my first year to vote I wouldn't want to leave up the registration process to something on my Xbox.

 

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5 dollars says that when someone who registered to vote over XBL goes to actually vote they are found unregistered and everything goes horribly wrong.  xD

 
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