EA Asks Court to Dismiss Madden Monopoly Lawsuit

EA Asks Court to Dismiss Madden Monopoly Lawsuit

August 26, 2008

In June GamePolitics reported on the filing of a class-action lawsuit which alleged that EA's exclusive Madden deal with the NFL constituted a monopoly.

Yesterday lawyers for Electronic Arts filed a motion to dismiss the claim in federal court, arguing:

The antitrust theory of the Complaint is that EA “killed off” its only football competition by entering into the NFL exclusive... This, allegedly, allowed EA to raise the price of its NFL video game, Madden NFL, above competitive levels.

 

Plaintiffs’ case is fatally flawed on multiple levels... 

 

It is not illegal—under any theory—for EA to bid on exclusive licenses that intellectual property owners choose to offer. Exclusive intellectual property licenses are commonplace, and widely accepted in commerce and under the law as one legitimate way for an intellectual property rights holder to maximize the value of its property. Highly analogous case law holds that a sports league—in particular, the NFL—has the right to enter into exclusive rights agreements, and potential licensees have a right to bid on such licenses.

The timing of EA's dismissal motion may be related to the Federal Trade Commission's recent decision not to stand in the way of the proposed EA-Take-Two merger. The potential monopoly implications of combining the two firms' sports game divisions was likely one of the major issues under review by the FTC.

GP: Whether it winds up fitting the legal definition of monopoly or not, the end result still stinks for game consumers: EA jacked up the price of Madden by $20 simply because it could get away with it after "killing off" the NFL2K series.

Read EA's motion to dismiss here...

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Re: EA Asks Court to Dismiss Madden Monopoly Lawsuit

Maybe I haven't kept up with Madden over the years, but isn't Madden 09 only $60 like every other title.  Yes I know that there is a special edition of the game, but many games are coming out with one like MGS4 and Halo 3.

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The thing is, as I recall, Madden was $20 cheaper than the average title when it had to compete with NFL2k. The second EA got the NFL deal, the price shot back up.

-Gray17

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So dont buy it! You people are acting like your somehow required to buy Madden every year. It's an entertainment product. If you dont like the price, DONT BUY IT!

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The problem is for peopel who do want to purchase the updated football game.

I hate american football personally, but that doesn't mean I don't think people should have a choice as to what they wis hto purchase, and EA is giving none.

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Just be patient and buy it a few months after release for half the price.

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I don't, as I don't play sports games. I'm just clarifying exactly what the complaint about price was. Namely that competition dropped the price to something pretty reasonable for a game that gets yearly iterations with minimal improvements, and lack of competition immediately jacked the price up simply because they could get away with it because people didn't have an alternative.

-Gray17

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The intelligent gamer has to suffer because the idiot gamers out there do buy it every year.

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I won't buy it! Or should I say, I WON'T BUY IT, if we're screaming at each other.

The problem isn't necessarily the price, it's the inferior product. EA was granted a monopoly by the NFL and the game is extremely flawed. Just look at the replays in a challenge. Take Two did a much better job four years ago. That crap wouldn't fly if there was competition.

 

 

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I think it shows they have at least started to put a little bit more work into Madden 09 when you compare it to the few before it.  Even so, it isn't a game worth $60 every single year.

Who here thinks that EA upgrades and puts enough work into Madden to justify a $60 price tag every year?

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Really, EA made a good business move their. Those who are mad about it, should be mad at the NFL for not allowing other games to use their IP. Seriously, if people don't like Madden, they should stop buying it. But apparently, every year people are more than willing to shell out for the updates to the roster. And I hear 09 is actually pretty good. Yeah it may suck that only EA can make NFL games, but do you hear everyone cry when other publishers get licensed IP rights? If you are gonna call EA out on this, you really need to call everyone else out on the same things. I personally don't like EA, but I'm not gonna sit there and try and convince myself that what they are doing is wrong for their company.

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Nobody is saying that what EA did was wrong.  It actually WAS a smart move for their company as rdeegvainl stated.  But fuck EA.  Really.  When a company sign exclusive deals with sports brands, especially the NFL, it's that companies responsibility to come through with quality when you're now telling consumers that they can only play your game if they want NFL athletes and teams.  If you don't meet halfway with the consumer, then what you're doing is wrong and you've created a monopoly.  Back in 2005 NFL 2K5 came out and sold like 1.6 million copies (Don't quote me on the stats, I just know I'm close, if not right) when madden 05 came out and sold around 1.8 million copies.  2K5 sold their game for $20.00 and madden sold theirs for $49.99, as that was the max price for every game at that time.  The surge of 2K5 copies obviously rattled EA's cage, thus forcing them to lower their price by $20.00 until they got fed up and signed the deal with the NFL and raise the price back to $49.99, and then sold Madden 06 for $60.00. 

That................Is...................A...............Monopoly...............In.................The.............Making.

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Which is bad for the NFL, Consumers, and the Game Industry.

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Wow, the world of the NFL must be pretty big in your little mind. If a single broadcaster got the exclusive rights to olympic coverage, would that be a monopoly? No, because they're not blocking other broadcasters from doing everything else that TV does.

All this exclusive partnership does is block other publishers from making NFL Games. Not Football games, Not Video games period, just NFL GAMES! There are thousands of other video games on the market, there are even other Football Franchises to go after. STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE ONE YOU CANT HAVE, and be the first to go get one nobody has!

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And that's all we as NFL fans give a damn about.  Yea nobody would cry about NBC or some other network signing an exclusive deal with the olympics because everyone would still get the same thing.  We would all still be watching the same shows.  But you can't compare Television to any video game because the developer has to deliver in terms of programing quality and that is something that EA isn't doing.  It's kinda like Sports Authority or Dicks Sporting Goods, signing exclusive deals with Spalding, Rawlings, Nike ect.... and then the next time you go in to buy a football or basketball, all you see are Nurf brand footballs, basketballs, baseballs ect.... yet they're charging Nike money for it.

To make a long story short, EA took the best sports product for themselves and they're not delivering on the quality.  We wouldn't be complaining if EA would come through with the quality.  It's not all just about other developers not being able to make NFL games, that's not the issue, because if EA did good in terms of Next Gen Quality we'd all be fine, at least the majority anyway.  But EA isn't that type of company.  They're basically degrading the NFL and the NFL doesn't even realize it because they're getting a check for it.

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See, now you don't want a football game you want an NFL game. You just limited yourself to what the NFL says you can play. The NFL says, if you want and NFL game, you play this, and only this. If Madden isn't delivering, that is because the NFL thinks it's good enough for it's consumers. The real beef is with the NFL, but just about nobody wants to admit it.

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Thats what the majority buy, and the minority have to all find out about a none NFL football game that is good, and it be enough income to make it worth a developer's time.

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Actually I thought this whole monopoly lawsuit was about telling EA they were wrong. Another thing is, the company that gave IP rights to EA is the one who is supposed to make sure the game is quality. It's got NFL written all over it. Not meeting halfway with the consumer has nothing to do with making a monopoly. If anyone is to blame, it would be the NFL for giving exclusive rights. They are the ones who basically said, consumers can only buy the EA NFL game, cause they wouldn't allow anyone else IP rights.

This is not a monopoly in the making, unless you start getting anally specific, and even then it is pretty questionable. Anyone can make a game. Anyone can make a sports game. Anyone can make a football game. The NFL decided that only EA can make an NFL game. Is Blizzard a monopoly cause they are the only ones who can make a Warcraft and Starcraft games? Is ID a monopoly cause they are the only ones to make DOOM or QUAKE? Is SquareEnix a monopoly cause they are the only ones that can make Final Fantasy, and Dragon Quest games? No they are not. Cause anyone can still make a game in the same genre to compete with them. There is no Monopoly when it comes to specific IP.

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Dude first of all who the hell still gives a damn about DOOM or QUAKE? 

Secondly, when a developer doesn't meet the consumer half way, it is a monopoly when they want to play with a licenced game that only that developer has.  If it isn't a monopoly then it's conning since people keep buying the product.

Third, the NFL isn't to blame because they're buisness men and not gamers.  The only reason why they allow their product to be turned into video games is to push their product in terms of marketing.  They collect that check and they're getting their name out during the season.  THAT'S all they care about.

Forth, yea the NFL decided that only EA could make that game, but EA gave the NFL around 500 million dollars for that contract.  I'm pretty sure they weren't paying that much for their non-exclusive contract, not even close.  I bet that number is more than all the money the NFL was getting from EA, Take-Two and any other developer before the deal was made.  So If EA was able to give the NFL one contract for more than the total of all the other contracts then how would the NFL say no when they could give a damn about gamers in the first place.  There is only one of the two companies that knew the REAL motives of the contract and that is EA.

Fifth, I said it before and I'll say it again, we all know that other developers can make another "type" of football game.  Again IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT.  People want the NFL.  That's why EA went ever them in the first place because that's where all the fans and money are at.  What other developer out there other than SquarEnix really gives a damn about making another type of Final Fantasy???  What other consumer for that matter???  You can't compare any of that shit to sports because in Final Fantasy you can use the characters given to you and you can come to really like them through the coarse of one game.  The same goes for DOOM or QUAKE or W.O.W. or Starcraft.  You can't do that in sports, and if you can, it'll take a seriously long time for people to start growing to like the created athletes.  And nobody gives a damn about the CFL either because if they did then EA would've taken that while the tood the NFL, NCAA and NFLPA, so don't even bring it up should you read this.

So enough already with the 'other developers can make other football games' shit.

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I'll adress your points here.

1) No bearing on argument.

2)Monopoly has nothing to do with meeting customer half way. That has nothing at all to do with having a monopoly. It may placate those who have to deal with a monopoly, but that is as far as that relationship goes.

3)EA is just as much of a business as the NFL. All EA cares about is the check just as much as the NFL does. So they went with the best gameplan to get more money. By acquiring the most profitable Football IP.

4) There you go, NFL sold out on gamers.

5) Now, you are just wanting an NFL game. NFL controls the NFL. So the problem here is who? the NFL selling out. Is it a monopoly if a company gets the rights to a Lord of the Rings? No. Because it is the IP people are interested in. Same with the NFL. The NFL is not public domain. It, and it's teams, and players are part of the IP. There is no monopoly, cause a monopoly does not apply to IP.

At the end of the day, you want a specific franchise,, you want a specific IP. It's a big one granted, but that does nothing to make it any different from any other established IP. So when the game sucks, or year after year, you are not happy with the product, the owners, NFL, are to blame for putting the NFL fans in this position.

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Man in a weird way it seems as if we are in 50% agreement on this.  I have my reasons (as well as many others) for calling it a monopoly.  You have your reasons (as well as many others) for not calling it a monopoly.  I could go all day with it and I'm sure you could as well.  What is more I think you might agree that neither of us has the time to do so.

My only real beef with what you're saying is when you say that "It's the NFL who is to blame" and that "The NFL sold out on gamers".  How could the NFL sell out on gamers when they never gave a damn to begin with.

I like to look at it on a more personal level.  Say I walk into a big corporation and say to them:  "Hey I have an idea that you might like involving video games" (not in those exact words obviously).  Silence suddenly grips the room as the CEO of the corporate stiffs looks at me and says:  "Are you seriously talking to me about video games right now???  Quick, someone call security!"  As I'm being pulled out of the room by about six behemoth security guards, I manage to convince the CEO that he/she can make a massive amount of money on the product, thus saying the magic words, a deal is then signed.

I'm not talking about EA or the NFL in that analogy.  I'm just saying that corporate people rarely give a damn about gamers and the NFL and EA are both loaded with them so you can't just blame the NFL when it's clear that EA knew what they were doing as well, even more so.

17 of the past 20 years EA has had a good reputation with the NFL.  How is anyone going to actually proove to the NFL that EA has been lacking in the quality department for the past 3 years when the NFL is getting their money and notoriety for it.  You can't just put it on them.  It's even more so on EA.

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It is no monopoly, cause all NFL is actually supplying them is names and likenesses, that the NFL owns the IP to. Their is no NFL market, cause NFL is an entity within the football market. It dominates the Football market. They have such a grip on the Football market that it carries over into football games. They are closer to a monopoly than EA having exclusive IP rights is. End of point. I personally don't like EA, and don't buy their games. But I know that legally, they are entirely within their rights. Agreed to disagree, have a great day.

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Ummm but itis a monoploy....

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Holy shit GP. Give it up. They were forced to lower thier price to sub-normal levels to compete with a nearly identical product. While we may have multiple WW2 FPS's, Multiple wartime RTS's, and so on and so on, the fact that two games were made about the same teams of the same game makes them nearly identical products. They were forced to sell thier product for less than most other games just to compete. If this were any other publisher who decided to start taking more profits because they'd become more popular you wouldnt' say shit.

Have some journalistic integrity here. Just because your favorite game won does not give you the right to try and smear EA. The comment that thier games became "shittier", or that the competition was "better" is a matter of opinion. SHUT UP about it now.

You have my email, i give you permission to contact me on it to continue this. I do not give you permission to post it for others to do so.

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Dude. Seriously calm down.

The simple fact of the matter is that EA's monopoly on NFL games, much as I personally dislike sports games, is a bad thing. There's zero competition in that field so there's absolutely no need for any kind of innovation to the series. With no innovation comes no reason to fix design flaws because the fanboys will keep buying the new game every year because it's Madden. Meanwhile the people who just like sports games are, for all intents and purposes, forced to buy Madden because it's the only football game on the market that's tied to the NFL and has the players they like. It's bad for the industry, nothing more and nothing less.

Plus you really don't have a call to start insulting Dennis. I thought the story was pretty straight forward and you attacking him without cause just goes to show your own immaturity.

 

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They were forced to lower thier price to sub-normal levels to compete with a nearly identical product.

No, whatever price they sell for constitutes the "normal" price. Examples being games that sell for $30-$40 dollars new, as that's what their publisher thinks a reasonable price point. In the case of NFL games, competition lowered that price. That's one of the things competition does. That does not make the lower price sub-normal, it means that the normal price is lower.

While we may have multiple WW2 FPS's, Multiple wartime RTS's, and so on and so on, the fact that two games were made about the same teams of the same game makes them nearly identical products.

Certainly it makes them quite comparable, yes. That's not a bad thing, as consumers get choice. They can pick which one has better quality, and/or better price. To entice the consumers, the maker have to either vastly improve quality, or noticably lower price.

They were forced to sell thier product for less than most other games just to compete.

Ah yes, the horrors of competition. Your rival lowers their price, and unless your quality is significantly greater, you must either lower your price, or lose sales. Such are the travesties of capitalism and free markets.

If this were any other publisher who decided to start taking more profits because they'd become more popular you wouldnt' say shit.

No, they didn't start taking more profits because they were more popular, they started taking more profits because they landed an exclusivity deal. In other words they managed to make themselves the only game in town, then started charging more because they didn't have to compete. I'm sure if it were Take Two that got the deal, killed off Madden, and raised the price back up, they've be receiving plenty of flak as well.

Just because your favorite game won does not give you the right to try and smear EA.

You got mixed up in your flaming/trolling. You mean to say "favorite game lost". Either way, I doubt that has any bearing on the criticism directed towards EA. Competition forced EA to be competitive in pricing and quality. Lack of it has had the opposite effect.

The comment that thier games became "shittier", or that the competition was "better" is a matter of opinion. SHUT UP about it now.

...and? Dennis made no mention of quality, merely of price.

You have my email, i give you permission to contact me on it to continue this. I do not give you permission to post it for others to do so.

The point of this little bit is what exactly? Dennis as a general rule doesn't post people's contact information. Heck, he practically makes it a habit of deleting contact information if there's a chance it'll be abused. He certainly doesn't bother to post the contact information for whiny trolling snots on the comments section/forums that happen not to like him. You're just below the noise in the face of stuff like the ESA throwing a hissy fits over criticism, or Jack Thompson's latest vague threats.

-Gray17

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I don't think it should be too hard to prove monopoly here. All that has to be proven is that EA is keeping other companies from entering into the football game arena and that it damages consumers. We've got a pretty good lock down on the damage, now we just need to prove active stifling of competition.

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but does the FTC care? because they sure as hell are not really doing their job.  I have seen a guy from the IRS come to a company randomly and go through all of their financial files, and only found out that they owe $5 more on their taxes, when he was there for 3 weeks going through paper work.

These guys are a joke, and we need a REAL FTC, not some government front that acts like they are trying to protect the people, and do what is best for them.  That is for the consumer and the employees at Take Two.  This situation is such a lose-lose that if the FTC didn't block it, they are either paid off, they arent even doing their job, or they are stuck with rules that cant expand to common sense of what is better. (aka I, Robot logic where the robot saves Will Smith instead of the kid.)

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So somehow the FTC is to blame for the IRS doing thier job? So they didn't find anything wrong, most audits end that way anyway.

Regardless, this still has NOTHING to do with the FTC.

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Actually it has everything to do with the FTC because EZ has a monopoly on the market. That goes against FTC regulations, hence their involvement.

BTW, just as a side note, no company could trademark WW2 or have exclusive rights to it as it's an historical event. Much like the Revolutionary War, Civil War, etc. Its a strawman argument at best.

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So it's EA's fault that the only football worth making a game for is the NFL Football? BAD EA! Somehow it must be there fault that no other publishers want to make football games about the CFL, or other national leagues. BAD EA!

If a company somehow bought the rights to WW2, and stoped other companies from making games about it.... No, that wouldn't work, because there are other wars, other conflicts, etc etc etc. But BAD EA anyway!

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No, technically speaking that's the NFL's fault. It's the EA's fault that they're the only one that can make an NFL game. It's also the EA's fault that the price is high, and the quality remains meh instead of being improved.

The bottom line is that EA's actions are bad for the consumer. That generally results in backlash of various kinds.

-Gray17

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No, it's their fault for purchasing a monopoly. It is bad, or should I say "BAD," because it's anti-competitive and anti-consumer. It's a licensed monopoly. Period. If antitrust laws don't make this illegal, the antitrust laws need to be reworked.

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Talking about whether or not this is a monopoly simply misses the point.  Yes, it is a monopoly.  Of course it is a monopoly.  But it's not the sort of monopoly that the antitrust laws (or the FTC) care about.  Your comment mixes up an illegal (abusive) and an economic monopoly.

Let's say I have a patent for a type of laser.  As I'm just a laser developer and don't have the cash to commercialize the product, I decide to license my patent to a large laser maker.  The license is simple.  It says that "Laser maker shall have the exclusive license to use my patent and laser maker shall pay me 5% of all gross profits on lasers sold that use my patent."  That's a monopoly for the laser maker.  It is the only company that can produce the laser.  If you want to buy the laser, you're going to the licensed laser maker.  Or China.  This is an economic monopoly.  But it's NOT a legal monopoly and the FTC doesn't care.  Are consumers harmed?  Sure.  That laser would be cheaper if there were ten companies instead of one making it.  But it's not an abusive monopoly.

Let's say I am a famous musician.  I pay some guy to roll a tape while I sing into a microphone and play my guitar.  I then take my tape to a company that makes and markets CDs, as I don't have the cash to make and market CDs myself.  The company and I enter into a license.  It says that "CD maker shall have the exclusive license to the copyright on my song."  If you want to buy my song, you have to pay CD maker.  This is an economic monopoly.  Are consumers harmed?  Sure.  That CD would certainly be cheaper if there were ten companies selling it.  But, again, it's not an abusive monopoly, and the FTC will laugh in your face when you tell them that there's "stifling of competition" and you have a "lock down on the damage."

Finally, let's say that I am a famous football league.  I own trademark Reg. # 3138589 and some associated marks.  I am approached by a famous developer and publisher of video games that is interested in obtaining the exclusive rights to use the mark (and attendant goodwill) in video games.  The company and I enter into a license.  The license says that the video game developer and publisher has the exclusive right to use my trademark.  If you want to buy a video game with my trademark on it, you have to pay the video game developer and publisher.  This is an economic monopoly.  However, just like patents, and just like copyrights, trademarks can be exclusively licensed.  That's how intellectual property rights work.  Saying "consumers are harmed" or "others can't compete" misses the point.  Of course they are harmed.  Of course they can't compete.  Monopoly rights are granted to inventors, creators, and traders by the U.S. government.  They can be licensed.  That's all EA did.  They bought a license to the trademark NFL and some associated rights (players' rights to publicity, etc.).  Anybody can come out with a football game that doesn't include these rights.  If EA prevented them from doing so, that's probably an antitrust problem, but it's hard to envision how that restraint would work out.  Would anybody buy a football game that doesn't include any reference to the NFL, its teams, or its players?  No, of course not.  But that's not the point here.  The point is that EA took an exclusive license, something which it can do.  Saying "aww, this sucks for consumers" has absolutely zero bearing on the merits of this frivolous lawsuit.

It also sucked for years that Claritin was only sold by one manufacturer - Schering-Plough.  Monopoly?  Hell yes.  Bad for competition?  Hell yes.  Bad for consumers?  Hell yes.  Did any of that matter?  No.  IP rights trumped, as loratadine was patented.  If Schering-Plough had exclusively licensed loratadine to one manufacturer, would we suddenly have a case?  No.  There's no difference between that situation and this one.

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It isnt an abusive monopoly, but consumers are harmed...  so since when did 1+2=3.5?

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 What he's getting at is that just because a situation is bad for consumers doesn't make that situation illegal or even immoral. If copyrights, trademarks, and patents were all suddenly dissolved by the government, the situation would be fantastic for consumers. Just about everything in the country would become significantly cheaper as identical substitutes for popular protected products flooded the market. However, such a situation would be completely unfair to the creators of inventions, entertainment, ect. I think too many of you here think of consumer rights as getting what you want from the companies you buy from. It's not. It's about getting what you are legally entitled to from the companies you buy from. We all wish that the NFL would sell its licsence to multiple parties. However, none of you are legally entitled to an NFL football game whatsoever let alone NFL games from multiple publishers. The most effective way to fight this situation is not through lawsuits, but by petitioning the NFL to change its videogame strategy. Of course the best way to get their attention is through their wallets. When Madden buyers stop buying Madden is when the NFL will reconsider its strategy. The day that gamers learn to be more of an organized force is the day they will be able accomplish such a task.

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The day that licensing can eliminate competition from a billion dollar industry is the day antitrust laws need to be reworked. I bought the first Madden, noticed it sucked and haven't bought it since. I was gifted Madden 09 and am astonished at its flaws. It is very obvious that the the lack of competition has resulted in complacent product development.

Attorneys and wanna-be attorneys can do all the arguing on paper they want. The fact is this: There's a billion dollar industry damaged by an abusive anti-consumer monopoly.

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This whoel thing kinda speaks volumes about EA. Instead of fixing the apparent flaws that were getting them bad reviews i nthe first place, they make sure no one else can make NFL game any more, pay for good reviews, and buy out competition

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EA only had that deal with the NFL because the Madden games kept getting their asses kicked year after year by the better and cheaper NFL 2K series.

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I love how you people blame and finger point at EA when 2K ALSO raised their prices back up on their MLB,NHL and NBA games or did you guys forget that?

And I wouldn't doubt that the NFL wasn't too happy about seeing a budget game released every year so they went with EA over 2K.

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"GP: Whether it winds up fitting the legal definition of monopoly or not, the end result still stinks for game consumers: EA jacked up the price of Madden by $20 simply because it could get away with it after "killing off" the NFL2K series."

This sentence is full of shit.  EA didn't jack the price up after the NFL granted them the exclusive contract.  The price of Madden 05 wasn't lowered to $29.99 until November 9, 2004.  Exactly three months after the game came out as the game came out on August 9, 2004.  EA historically lowers the price of the game in November/December. 

Scource proving the date of the price drop: http://sports.ign.com/articles/564/564482p1.html

Sega/Take Two released their 2K5 sports games at $19.99 in 2004 to drum up interest in the brand.  It actually backfired for them as this what caused the NFL to grant the exclusivity license to one publisher.  EA had to guarantee the NFL that they wouldn't devalue their brand by releasing their game at $19.99.  What's even more interesting and ironic is that after Take Two bought Visual Concepts from SEGA that their 2K6 games came out at full price, not $19.99.  Where's your outrage at that Dennis?

 

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This isn't a monopoly...

Now, if EA bought Take-Two, and eliminated the 2K Sports department, THEN it would be a monopoly

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Yes it's a monopoly.

There's one manufacturer that has an exclusive on a billion dollar industry called Updated NFL Video Games. It's the pure definition of monopoly.

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Some of you folks don't get it.  This is not about the price of a Madden game.  It's about the lack of competition (which almost always leads to stagnation and a poorer experience for the customer).  EA has stifled the competition in terms of football games and therefore it holds a monopoly on football games.  If this was the Soviet Union there would be nothing wrong with that.  Strange how many supposed capitalists are all for Soviet-style business practices.

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Actually you don't seem to get it.  This isn't EA's fault, the blame solely lies with the NFL as they're the ones that granted the exclusive license.  Which was one with a bidding process, EA won.  This hasn't stopped other publishers from releasing football games.  Midway has continued to release their Blitz games.  2K released All Pro Football 2K8 last year.  Which incidentally sucked as it was the same game as their 2K5 with less features.  Tecmo is bringing back Tecmo Bowl this year.  If you're still convinced that EA has a monopoly where's the outrage for Take Two/2K and their exclusive MLB third party license?  The only way to get a different version from MLB 2Kx is to purchase a first party game.  Which only Sony is doing. 

Re: EA Asks Court to Dismiss Madden Monopoly Lawsuit

Ah, another monopoly supporter.

EA won a "bid" on an exclusive monopoly, true. You mention other football videogames that have been released. Those have not been successful because game players want an NFL game with updated NFL players. It wasn't "incidental" that 2K All-Pro sucked. Why would a company being punished by a purchased monopoly sink te proper R&D dollars into a game that will probably be unsuccessful? It's very obvious EA doesn't put much dough into Madden these days.

If you're not convinced EA has a monopoly, look at the numbers. Kind of ironic that you bring Tecmo into this though, because EA, with it's silly robo-QBs, has some similarities to the Tecmo games of the early 90s.

Re: EA Asks Court to Dismiss Madden Monopoly Lawsuit

What's there not to get?

People bitch and complain about EA yet Take 2K Games is guilty of the same damn thing and they get a ****** free pass?(Only because the "evil empire" wants to buy them.)

Fact of the matter is, 2K games brought this on the industry by treating the NFL like it is some fith string sport that you can only watch on ESPN 4. Instead of the dominat sport that it is today and in some circles outranks MLB and Nascar.

Re: EA Asks Court to Dismiss Madden Monopoly Lawsuit

ecco the Dolphin  your a f###in retard

 

Re: EA Asks Court to Dismiss Madden Monopoly Lawsuit

I'm all for freedom of ttnet vitamin speech and allowing rent a car game makers to put whatever they want in games, but there's one thing about this app that has me scratching my head.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but from araç kiralama the previous article araba kiralama on this I gathered that players can use Google maps in-game to find the other (real-life?) dealers in their area.  If this is the case, has travesti anyone considered what's stopping someone from using this app to actually move drugs between hands for reals?

But majority araba kiralama of their outrage araç kiralama stems from what it could DO TO children, not the content itself.  Talk to one of these people and you'll find they don't think any books kiralık araba should be banned from children.  Mention American Psycho and they talk about kiralık araç the redeeming value of using imagination to construct a story.  Reading, no matter what the content, is largely viewed as a consequenceless activity for people of any age.  The reason why I mention American Psycho is because of the content itself.  Gaming never has and likely never will have any scenes where someone has sex with a severed head.  Not gonna happen.  Yet despite this, they'll fight tooth and nail to protect their children from two boys kissing in Bully but whatever they read is harmless... yeah.

The entire arguement is kiralık oto based upon a social normality inflicted by luddites who can't figure out the controls for Halo so it's frightening and terrifying and obviously the cause of youth violence on the rise even though, in reality, it's in decline (which is actually a HUGE suprise given minibüs kiralama the economies status).  In  a perfect world, we would have parents that actually parent.  The idea of sales restrictions on media on oto kiralama any form to accomidate parental unwillingness to get involved with their child's life is the real problem to me.  Here I am, 32 years old, and being held up at a self-scan rent a car needing to show ID before I can buy a $10 M rated game all because Soccer Momthra can't be bothered to look at the crap Billy Genericallystupidson does in his free time.  It's too hard for her, so I have to suffer?

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Posted 07/04/09 at 05:07pm
Andrew Eisen: JT "knew it would be a good audience." Not what he said on Tuesday.
Posted 07/04/09 at 05:01pm
Andrew Eisen: VG cause violent behavior. VG companies influence behavior to get sales. Yeah, that makes sense.
Posted 07/04/09 at 04:52pm
Andrew Eisen: Yes, it's been proposed but as far as I know it has not been passed. Big difference.
Posted 07/04/09 at 04:50pm
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Andrew Eisen: Far as I know, Germany has not banned all violent video games.
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Cheater87: Jack wants the US to follow Germany's total video game ban.
Posted 07/04/09 at 04:42pm
Andrew Eisen: Note to JT, it is not illegal to sell kids a ticket to R-rated movies.
Posted 07/04/09 at 04:39pm
Cheater87: Jack said we would be better with no rating sytem.
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Alareth: So what was the introduction used for Jack?
Posted 07/04/09 at 04:31pm
JDKJ: Heard one, you've heard 'em all. He repeats the same act, with the same half-truths, over and over.
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Andrew Eisen: Using a credit card as age verification is not illegal. Hope Mark called him on that and his made up statistics.
Posted 07/04/09 at 04:30pm
Alareth: Jack is special, his mommy always told him so.
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Andrew Eisen: Rodrigo - A fun idea but you might want to fix the typos.
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