South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music Taken Off Shelves
South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music Taken Off Shelves
August 26, 2008
South Africa's Independent Online reports on yet another attempt to link media violence to the real deal.
The IO reports that Cape Town-based watchdog group the Family Policy Institute has petitioned South Africa's government to recall all music containing violent lyrics and all video games with violent content.
FPI spokesman Errol Naidoo made the request, expressing the group's concerns over potential negative influences on young people. The move comes in the wake of the samurai sword killing of a 16-year-old by a schoolmate who allegedly dressed himself like Slipknot drummer Joey Jordison (left).
Prefering not to wait for any type of inquiry, Naidoo requested the recall of the games and CDs "pending the outcome of the investigation". From the Independent Online:
Naidoo cited the case of two US teens who were convicted of murder in 2003 after stabbing a friend 20 times and slitting his throat after listening to Slipknot's song Disasterpiece.
He also cited the case of Bangkok teenager Polwat Chinno who had killed a taxi driver by punching and stabbing him after playing the computer game Grand Theft Auto. "Police believe he was acting out a scene in the violent video game," Naidoo said.
He said there was no guarantee that removing violent music and games would prevent violent behaviour, but that it would "provide added peace of mind for families".
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South Africa... And they are worried about VIDEO GAMES?!
Seriously, those guys have got more to trouble themselves with than games and good music!
(and there goes my annual donation as well)
Your soul is a tasty refreshing treat to ones such as I
To its credit, South Africa has a pretty diverse society. Its economy is multi-layered. Above the people living in the slums you also have the richer ones, but usually of European descent, working in modern industries. It makes me think that South Africa is like a "Europe away from Europe". I didn't even know they had a burgenoning web development industry until last year. I've found so many web designers that live there and are real good at their work. They even hold programming conventions.
Any reading on the case where the kid dressed himself up like Joey Jordison shows that the kid is schizophrenic without a shadow of a doubt.
This is not a case of "music made me do it" it's a case of "I am mentally ill and have not received the proper treatment."
The kid even said that SATAN HIMSELF told him to do it.
Ban Satan! Satan is a negative influence on all of our kids! Satan is for grown-ups only!
So some kid goes cockoo for cocoa puffs and it's a video game's fault
We need better psychologists, not more JT-spawn
Actually, they're saying it's "violent music's fault" more than video games. They just lumped vg in ther as well apparently. It's Slipknot's fault, not gta for a change
"provide added peace of mind for families".
anyone who would give up a little bit of liberty to gain a little bit of security deserve neither.
Benjamin Franklin. Nice.
Also, he commited murder because of Slipknot? Couldn't they have done it for a real metal band?
I hate how the little lies creep in. They sound plasuible and all of a suddent hey are accepted as fact.
"Police believe he was acting out a scene in the violent video game," Naidoo said." You see? Police were TOLD by this psycho that he was acting out a scene. I could tell police that I was obeying orders from God, or the rabbit at the bottom of the garden, but that doesn't mean they believe it.
"Naidoo cited the case of two US teens who were convicted of murder in 2003 after stabbing a friend 20 times and slitting his throat after listening to Slipknot's song Disasterpiece."
I haven't heard of this case, but I doubt that Slipknot's music was an aspect in the case.
"He said there was no guarantee that removing violent music and games would prevent violent behaviour"
It won't.
" but that it would "provide added peace of mind for families"."
I am dumbfounded at the level of naivety of this person. Criminals still exist, and can rob/kill you for drugs/money/fun, but at least if it happens to you it won't be because of video games, hurrah!
*sigh* why is that we (humanity) never do anything that would actually solve our problems?
Fix education? Nope.
Provide employment? Nope.
Keep guns/drugs out of their hands? Nope.
Hold parents responsible? Nope.
Ban violent media? Sure! That will fix everything!
Because Homo Sapiens at times seems to have the collective intelligence of the common banana slug?
Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.
Naw, that would be an insult to banana slugs. At least if you draw a line of salt infront of a slug it has the comon sense to go around it. In the case of humans at times, they would step right in it. Then when it burns them they would ask to ban all salt and salt like substances. That dosn't go for all humans though, just a special few... You know who you are.
IT BURNSSSSS!!!!
Man, there must be something seriously wrong with me.
I mean, I've been listening to Slipknot since they first started to make it on the scene (about 10 years ago) and I've been playing GTA since the second one and I have yet to go on a single psychotic rampage.
If their "research" *snicker* held any sort of water, shouldn't I have a body count high enough to rival Ted Bundy's by now?
"provide added peace of mind for families".
Quotes like that scare the hell out of me. To think people would actually want to give up a little bit of their freedom for the false sense of security. People really need to start to grow up and realize that they can't control everything, that sometimes bad things happen.
The psychologist Jung once theorized that one of modern society's greatest faults was that we have become so control-obsessed that we have become paranoid over the idea of not being able to control everything. (I'm paraphrasing here to the best of my ability). If this is true, I'm much more worried about the mental stability of groups such as this, who will do anything for some false sense of "control" and "safety", than the metal-head who likes playing GTA.
Yeah, keep the violence in the Streets, where it belongs!
... really?
I'll just point out two problems with this argument. I'll be the devil's advocate and assume that most people who have a predisposition to violent material will seek out violent media content, which includes television, books, video games, and music. However, the vast majority do not. America is failing the most original SAT question ever.
If cogs can be sprogs, all sprogs are cogs, and all sprogs are violent seriel killers, does that make all cogs violent cereal killers? ... NO!!!!!!!
Also, one thing sparked my interest.
The move comes in the wake of the samurai sword killing of a 16-year-old by a schoolmate who allegedly dressed himself like Slipknot drummer Joey Jordison
"Naidoo cited the case of two US teens who were convicted of murder in 2003 after stabbing a friend 20 times and slitting his throat after listening to Slipknot's song Disasterpiece."
Now I may just be a big amateur when it comes to martial arts, but last I checked a samarai sword was a SLASHING weapon, and a rather large one at that. In fact, (checks one on wall), yeah it'd be VERY impractical to stab anyone with that thing twenty times. Slitting the throat i can believe though. The chineese weaponry was more stab based, if I remember correctly, but I always reserve the right to be wrong.
(edited because nobody is killing anyone with coacoa crispies)
LoL Cereal killers? Captin Crunch must die! ^_^
This is why I edited my post. I knew trolls like you couldn't resist a typo.
He was only joking around with you...
FYI -- you still misspelled it.
"I'm not responcabel fer my comuter's spleling errnors." -- Xlorep DarkHelm
The samurai sword case and the Two teens are seperate incidents.
Must have misread. That would make a lot more sense. :p
Once the violent products are removed and the crimes still continue what will they blame it on next???
Gay people (no offence to those who are)
Sadly enough that already happened.
huh? who would blame gay people for violence.
Well if history is any example, here's a few classic scape-goats for crime...
1. Immigrants ("Damn immigrants have no control! All those Mexicans/Irish/Italians/Russians do nothing but get drunk and stab people. They live like animals and want to rape our women!")
2. Non-mainstream Religions ("Didn't you hear? Those Satanists/Pagans/Hindus/Muslims believe it is their holy duty to drink the blood of babies/torture and kill animals/blow up buildings!")
3. People with different colored skin. (Just watch "The Birth of a Nation" as an example.)
4. Homosexuals (I can't even think of a good quote/example of this. This group gets blamed for a lot in the most vague of ways)
5. Opposing/non-mainstream political ideology ("The Communists/Socialists/Anarchists wish to take over the world!")
I always liked the "Anarchists taking over" bit, if i'm not mistaken, isn't the true anarchist one who endeavors to oppose all forms of goverment or law? Kinda hard to exert control if your philosophy opposes all forms of control.
Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.
Rocks, then sticks.
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"Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."
And I want pot to be legalized in the US so people will mellow the fruck out, but we cant all get what we want South African Watchdog people...
Actually, there are better reasons to legalize marijuana including, but not limited to...
1) increased taxes that could be used on education/public works projects that could give people jobs
2) increased legitimate income to farmers, especially in the north east, who can not sustain themselves economically WITHOUT the crop.
3)increased medical use for leukemia/cancer patients going through radiation.
4) taking power away from small drug dealers (drug competition is the leading cause of gang violence)
5) less prison crowding...
BUT that's another soap box for me to stand up on heheh.
I think there are much more important issues in South Africa that they need to address...like the rampant AIDS epidemic there...
But to do that, one must put forth "effort" and "time", a big no-no in today's ADD world.
It's cheaper, easier, and more effective (in a PR sense) to go after music/movies/books/video games than to actually try to find a solution to the problem.
It's also down to the fact of not having much money due to endemic corruption, gravy train spending, and insufficient governing experience on the whole.
Oh, they already found someone to blame for the AIDS epidemic from what I've heard.
Apparently the CIA, along with Wouter, created AIDS to quell the rising black population...
This startling revelation came from the head of the International Traditional and Medicine Research Council himself...
Honestly? Take it from whence it comes - SA traditional 'healers' are dodgy at best, downright evil at worst.
These "watchdog groups" around the world are actually making me hate families. Seriously. "For the family" is becoming the new "for the children".
You have to be kidding me. If we start banning music and video games because of violence then lets just throw ourselves down that wonderfully steep slope into the book-burning and persecution-of-all-who-are-different stage.
Seriously though. We start with the banning of violent games and other media, what's next? Penalties for people who actually make them? Jail time, fines, loss-of-livelyhood? This feels on the level of people saying that hunting deer in areas where they are overpopulated is cruel because it kills them (as opposed to letting them starve to death over the winter).
Caffine Germany tried to jail makers, players and buyers of violent games.
LOL
Go search You Tube for 'Angry German Kid' - maybe that's why?
Yeah cos violence was never a problem in south africa up until violent video games and music invaded the place *rolls eyes*
"Police believe he was acting out a scene in the violent video game," Naidoo said.
I believe he was acting out a violent movie. Or a violent television program. Or a violent country.
Great idea. Just impose your point of view on other people - it's not like that's incredibly narcissistic or anything.
M. Carusi
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You know, I really get tired of these stupid people
"One person listened to a violent song/played a violent game/watched a violent movie/ and killed someone, this is proof we must ban them!"
Yeah, let's just ignore the fact that millions of OTHER watched/played/listened to the same thing and, you know, never killed anyone.
I've been listening to "violent" music and watching "violent" movies since I was freaking 5 (Horror movies were my favorites, and I loved metal as a child) and guess what, I've never killed anyone, assaulted anyone, or done any actual physical harm to another human being, or animal (Well, outside of the animals that die so that i can wear leather and eat meat)
I started "violent" games later, but the point still stands.
I despise real life violence, and would never hurt anyone who didn't hurt me or a loved one first.
What ticks me off is that it's always this stuff that gets it.
If someone, say, reads the bible before killing their family, it's not the Bible that gets blamed (Nor should it be)
If somone watches FRIENDS and slaughters their neighbor, no one thinks the stupid Fat Monica jokes drove him to it.
No, we just say "They were nuts"
Why can't this same logic apply to games and music?
Because video games have been the "new thing" for years. It's the same reason why comic books were assaulted in the same manner. That, and they see no way they can personally censor video games (without, oh I don't know... not buying them!). If they can't personally censor something watchdog groups go crazy. Don't believe me? Take a look at the list of banned books in public school (Harriet the Spy, I kid you not, was banned because it "teaches people to question authority"). It just causes them to froth at the mouth...
One less Slipknot fan... One less burger-flipper. What's the downside?
And if something terrible happens to you it'd be one less troll... Next time try to be a bit more heartless.
What, I'm not heartless enough? I'm new to this, cut me some slack. /sillyness
I suppose I did fail to mention my actual opinion, though.
First off, everyone who's saying this is a reason not to move/donate to South Africa, note that it's just a non-government-affiliated watchdog group trying to ban and violent games and music. This article makes no mention of the government going along with it. Therefore, this is only tentatively something to worry about.
I agree with Zevorick here, that was a rude thing to say.
Erm... The first link takes me to a page on "Biden on tech freedom issues," with no mention of South Africa (or Africa, even).
I didn't know there were that many people in South Africa with CD players and computers...I thought they were still using records and 8-track players
Funny that. Just like we have the internet, video game consoles, iPods, too. Pretty much...well...everything you have. Shame. Poor ol' backwards South Africa. If that was tongue-in-cheek, sharpen up.
Thankfully, it is highly unlikely that anybody will take this chap or his group particularly seriously. As many not-so-ignorant people have mentioned already, there are far bigger issues at hand in South Africa at present.
Don't worry as we have Zuma coming to fix those issues. ^^
And he'll bring his kill-happy friends to help him, I'm sure.
South Africa has a good economy in many parts and compared to other African countries they're pretty modern. Being a web developer, I browse around online communities and web design blogs. I was surprised to learn that a good number of them are living in South Africa. They even hold WordPress developer confrences for crying out loud.
I love how people fail to make the right connections...
"yes, it was definatly the slipknot music that killed the victim, not the samurai sword."
A clue...stablize your goddamn country frist then pick on media like the rest of the civlized world dose.....
I is fuzzy brained mew =^^=
http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/
(in need of a bad overhaul)
A clue...run spell check before posting like the rest of the english speaking world does.....
Too many damn errors to spell check for every little thing,(can't copy/paste from word07, and browser spellchecker dose not work here) they'll jsut have to use reading compherension and critical thinking skills like inteligent life forms do.
I is fuzzy brained mew =^^=
http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/
(in need of a bad overhaul)
OR ... you could just not be lazy.
Funny you mention intelligent life forms and using critical thinking right after you just called every South African uncivilised. Way to go, dumbass.
FAIL.
Sorry anon, that's Zippy, he speaks his way, whether you like it or not, us grammar nazis have no place in a Zippy occupied thread
Your soul is a tasty refreshing treat to ones such as I
Ha ha :P
Altho us nazis(I game nazi) need to stay togather *lick*
I is fuzzy brained mew =^^=
http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/
(in need of a bad overhaul)
The real link:
http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=3045&art_id=vn20080...
Seems to me if you gotta ban something, wouldn't it make more sense to target, y'know, SAMURAI SWORDS?
(that Anon was me, btw)
Seems like this case had all the classic traits of a school shooting, minus the shooting. From this article:
http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn2008082...
[A friend] described Harmse [the killer] as shy, well-mannered and playful. "He never looked for trouble."
Harmse had told people he was not a Christian, because God was not apparent in his life. Instead, he spoke about demonology. But the friend was often in Harmse's room, and never saw any signs of Satanism. "All that was in his room were his swords, neatly (placed) on the walls," he said.
"He was speaking about how he was going to kill people when the bell rang. We tried to talk him out of it, but he didn't want to listen," said the friend.
His friend said Harmse was laughing. "I killed three people, didn't I?" he asked him. [He killed one and injured three.]
A loner, Harmse enjoyed drawing and hadn't had a girlfriend since junior school.
Not one mention of video games ANYWHERE.
Was it North Africa or South Africa that banned porn and now have one of the highest sexual assault rates in the world? Seriously though, fuck Africa. They've been killing each other for years and now they think that banning some plastic disks is gonna help? Shit...
Are the citizens actually behing this, or is this all government crap?
-Entertainment isn't the reason the world sucks. It's the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson
Re-read the article, dude - it's one guy from the Family Policy Institute, which is a Concerned Citizens type group. Just one citizen, and not even government.
odd coming from a place where ownership of flamethrowers is unrestricted.
岩「…Ace beats Jack」
Really? I'll see you boys in a week.
I'm calling bullshit - please provide your source for this utter pish.
you can legally put flame throwers on your car there as a anti teft device. im serious.
Again, I call bullshit. That old story did the rounds years ago - and it was illegal back then, too.
It's times like this that I must say that evolution is offensive, but not to humans. No, evolution is offensive to monkeys.
I'm a south african based in Cape Town, and i am genuinely concerned about this call for a ban. People here are so incredibely ignorant/niave towards the (ridiculously false) violent media/real violence debate that i actually thing a call for a ban like this would pass quite easily.
Our politicians (the mostly corrupt morons that they are) are always willing to blame our record-setting crime rates on anything that keeps the spotlight off our real problems (poverty, unemployment, racism, aids etc etc). As far as i can remember, this is the first offical call for a ban on violent media. Considering my country's unbelievabley high (and extrememly brutal) crime rate, and the fact that less than 2 percent of the population can afford luxuries like gaming consoles and music (seriously, i'm probably being generous when i say 2 percent, it must be much less), i think we can all agree that banning violent media what do jack to prevent anything. As everyone with half a braincell can tell, there was a lot more going on in the samurai case than meets the eye, and blaming media is almost an insult to the families affected.
Damn i hate this country. Can't wait to move. And Cape Town is supposed to be one of the more 'developed' parts of the country. Our infastructure is relatively 1st-world for the area. It's a pity we have next to ZERO awareness regarding these 'morons-wrongfully-blaming-violent-media-for-complex-issues' stuff. Crazy wannabe politicians like Mr. Naidoo have a lot more sway here than his counterparts in 1st world countries.
I swear, if violent media is banned, i will be on the next flight outta here
(alhtough looking on the bright side, even if it is banned, the government will completely stuff up trying to enforce it, and it'll proably never happen).
Flowerbed said, "I swear, if violent media is banned, i will be on the next flight outta here"
Ditto; it was really one of the few things I loved about good ol' SA.
I just sent the FPI a message. I doubt it'll work but it was worth a shot...
"Yay, the master is back in his place." Seriously, it was pure scum like 2 teenagers being told by hardcore/satanic metal band like slipknot to cause murder in the youth of a striving nation, let alone the entertainment media here is just as terrible with the ones in europe, and i never forget that case with the gruesome slaying involving a weapon, This is a reminder of why we need to get these "death machines" and "murder simulators" out of the reach of our children, This is a load of tar to see a youth buying slipknot when instead he should have been finding a cure for AIDS,solving the crisis of the country's most exotic animals, its just like as if the kid got away with buying a AK47 from a gun shop after the owner tricked into candy and gave him a training manual such as a PS2 game.
oh, please. EVERY single claim about video games being "child-corrupting murder simulators" has been nothing but a mindless, baseless LIE flaunted by idiots like your false god Thompson, people who need a scapegoat to try and hide their obvious mass murder/child abuse fetish. of course you self-claimed "moral crusaders" will never confess to this - you barely have enough brains between you to keep your black hearts going, there's no way you retards can bring yourselves to admit that dancing on people's graves and claiming "them thar video games killed 'em!" is the exact opposite of right or moral.
If the ban happens violent crime won't magically go away.
Also, I've bene playign video games since Super Mario Brothers, by you and moron man's logic I should have a body count rivaling the Nazi regime. Explain why I don't.
You try too hard troll, and it shows. The best trolling is more subtle. You on the other hand seem to be throwing a handful of Thompson drivel randomy and seeing what sticks.
Furthermore a violent game is no more a murder simulator than a dvd player is. A controller or keyboard is so far removed from anything that would give any real world training you get no more benefit from it than hitting the play button on your dvd player remote.
Why are you guys responding seriously to him? It's blatently obvious this guy's a random troll.
Please do not feed the Forum Troll....
Oh, so according to you a PS2 game teaches you how to aim, reload, fire? Without the gun firmly in you hands?
If its a 'Death machine/Murder Simulator' Then why not have I killed anybody yet? Why hasn't anyone here at GP killed anyone?
And about your comment with the gunshop...That would have to be a really stupid owner.
Get lost, troll
Yeah I think the guy is joking you around, I doubt anyone aside from Jack himself could be that deranged... well there is the cult of Lyndon LaRouche, but they are too busy trying to cover up his death so none of us hear about it...
Your soul is a tasty refreshing treat to ones such as I
FUCKING HELL; NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
I had no idea we had anything like the "Faggot Policy Institute" over here!
And to top it off, our government is run by a bunch of morons! *Sobs*
Oh, and Dennis, I'm not sure what you're linking to but that's not the Independant Online.
This is: http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=15&art_id=vn20080826113...
Welcome to GamePolitics, Lujan - but please remember that terms like "Faggot" are considered juvenile and offensive to many international readers :)
So, okay. Where were death metal and violent video games during Apartheid?
I'm sorry, but I'm curious. It's just that South Africa kinda has a history of violence. I suppose that the white upper class need a new bogeyman now that blacks are moving up in their society. :|
Please, get your facts straight. As a part of that "white" upper class you're talking about I'd like to point out that the "black" society is just as much behind this. Hell, some of them wish to ban women from wearing short skirts and they rape them to get their point across.
Mind you, it's only the minority that support these aggressive actions and that's from BOTH colours. God, it's so lame that many of you people still think in black and white...
This guy shouldn't be allowed to speak.
Here's why. His explicit descriptions of violent crimes may promote copycat behaviours in children in South Africa, just as over-publicization of the colombine killings caused hundreds of confirmed copycat killings world-wide.
If we're to believe his arguement that media that could induce violence ought to be banned, then his own voice ought to be banned first.
I vote we ban reporting on violent crimes.
Then naive lobby groups would believe they actually live in the perfect utopia they want!
They want to ban music because some kid blamed it for his actions? What is it 1985 over there? Next they'll ban rock and roll and hip hop.
It's not about votes. The SA government is too busy dealing with poverty, crime, corruption and a plethora of other problems to worry about silly things such as music and games...
On top of that, the current ruling party gets voted into power no matter what happens. They could ask their loyal sheep to chop off their left toes and salt the wound, and they'd still get into power.
Unfortunately, that's what happens when the majority of a country is uneducated or are "freedom fighters".
What we need is to find and promote the next big thing.
Who bitches about comics as a threat these days and what reaction do they get when they do? If we were to get everyone else hysterical about the next biggest threat to "the children" then they might shut the fuck up (about games/metal) and leave us and our hobby in peace.
What would that next thing be? Anime or manga (yes I know those aren't exactly new but neither are video games)?
We can't just try to get politicians to shift the blame, that doesn't solve anything, all it does is leaves us free to bicker amongst ourselves while other people get the shaft. We should try to get it through their heads that pop culture is not the cause or a contributing factor to problems in society.
I believe anime and manga have already been shit on as something that destroys youth.
Yeah, lets blame this whole thing on music and video games. Lets blame it on slipknot and the drummer dude lets worry that this dude got his hands on a slipknot album, but lets not worry how this kids got his hands on a FREAKIN' SAMURAI SWORD. IN THE 21st CENTURY! WTF!!!??
I know samurai swords still exist-duh, but where did he get it from, and why did no one catch him with it beforehand.
Meh if he didn't have a samuria sword he would've just used a steak knife or something. The samurai sword didn't place him under a hypnotic spell and neither did slipknot. He himself stabbed those people. Let's worry about why he did it whilst realizing slipknot is a scapegoat.
Maybe he got a replica. They aren´t too expensive, but they don´t have any edge to cut somebody. I think that kid used a machete and the media is just lying about the facts. Next time they will say a kid burned another one with a Hadoken.
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Gosh its so simple, video games are obviously the biggest problem in South Africa, obviously once you get all the shit out its so obvious South Africa is gonna be all happy and nice!
"He said there was no guarantee that removing violent music and games would prevent violent behaviour, but that it would "provide added peace of mind for families".
This statement alone should show what kind of person this douche bag is. He's not interested in reducing violent crime, what he's interested in is promoting his own moral agenda and giving people a false sense of hope. People like this are scumbags nothing more. Hope u burn in hell u out of touch piece of shit.
I need to stop reading gamepolitics.com, everytime I read it I get so angry.
I hate this site.
Nooo, you hate the dumbasses GamePolitics report about, not the site.
It's okay; I hate them, too. Don't worry; if all this crap is supposed to happen, and the universe tends to unfold as it should, these dumbasses should get what's coming to them in the end........I hope....
i hope that will happen before I have a massive anyeurism blow in my head and die.
Again, a disturbed person kills an innocent.
Again, an intolerant asswipe blames questionable media.
Again, bans are requested from the asswipe and whatever friends agree with him/her.
Again, we must stand up and protect the right to enjoy any and all forms of entertainment at will without fear of prosecution.
...................Goddammit, this is getting real old, real quick. I may not have enough energy (or sanity, if I have any left from my teenage years) to go on if this crap continues, but I'll damn sure try. Don't blame me, though, if I throw my hands in the air and say, "Ahh, fuck it."
Nobody ever bitches about sports, despite there having been so many sports related riots and outbursts...people getting trampled to death and whatnot...
-Entertainment isn't the reason the world sucks. It's the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson
yeah but lots of people watch sports =p
Everybody wants to point the finger at something else to blame when the problem is society as a whole. its not just the video games, music,parents,schools etc. All of these things whether we care to admit it or not affect us at some level. They are just smaller pieces of the bigger picture. As long as there are 2 people left in this world there will be violence. The only way to insure there won't be would be to lobotomize the world with medication. If they take away games then it will be music, If they take away that then it be for their shoes or their car or even because they just plain dont like the look of you. Bad stuff happens, People get hurt, its unfortunate but reality. Thats why we have to live the best we can.
Well put.
-Entertainment isn't the reason the world sucks. It's the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson
I agree! This man should ban everything that promotes violence!!
Ban the news, movies, wild life documentries, money, famin, land, possesions!
Hell lets not play around lets just ban everything in history that has ever caused someone to kill another human. It's not the humans fault. Hell the next person that looks at me should be banned!
Naidoo, naidon't publish anything ever again because your promoting violent outbursts from gamers. Ban him! Then when everything is banned. There shall be peace.
Errol Naidoo is a chop. He needs to get laid.
Wow. Who knew the South Africans liked to tell people what to do?
What are you talking about? I don't get the reference.
Might be a reference to the old days of Apartheid.
shudup doos, get a better education
How did you know?
Now shut up, you revolting troll.
The government is behind games like Grand Theft Auto, to influence kids to kill people.. its called population control people!
Wake up to the truth!
Joey Jordison with a samurai sword!!!
I just found my halloween costume. Thanks Satan!!!
That agenda from Sotuh African watchdog group is based on lies and myths. It is wrong to scapegoat video games or any other new media for criminal acts. It is like scapegoating non-mainstream religions. In the 1950s, rock-and-roll was scapegoated the same way video games are today. Rap music is suffering the same scapegoat effect. We must abolish scapegoating and regulation of video games now. Censorship is not the answer to crime or violence or any other evil in society. I do not condone legislation based on lies, forged statistics, or junk science.
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YES.
Now I don't have to get off my ass for the important shit anymore!
Whats next, ordering pizza from Xbox live?
Wait... I think that sounds like a good idea.
But I think voting should MAKE you get off your ass, and see outside or a second while you go vote. I mean, your picking the president of the United States of America for God's Sake... least you can do is drive down there and punch out a card.