South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music Taken Off Shelves

August 26, 2008 -

South Africa's Independent Online reports on yet another attempt to link media violence to the real deal.

The IO reports that Cape Town-based watchdog group the Family Policy Institute has petitioned South Africa's government to recall all music containing violent lyrics and all video games with violent content.

FPI spokesman Errol Naidoo made the request, expressing the group's concerns over potential negative influences on young people. The move comes in the wake of the samurai sword killing of a 16-year-old by a schoolmate who allegedly dressed himself like Slipknot drummer Joey Jordison (left).

Prefering not to wait for any type of inquiry, Naidoo requested the recall of the games and CDs "pending the outcome of the investigation". From the Independent Online:

Naidoo cited the case of two US teens who were convicted of murder in 2003 after stabbing a friend 20 times and slitting his throat after listening to Slipknot's song Disasterpiece.

He also cited the case of Bangkok teenager Polwat Chinno who had killed a taxi driver by punching and stabbing him after playing the computer game Grand Theft Auto. "Police believe he was acting out a scene in the violent video game," Naidoo said.

He said there was no guarantee that removing violent music and games would prevent violent behaviour, but that it would "provide added peace of mind for families".


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Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Again, I call bullshit. That old story did the rounds years ago - and it was illegal back then, too.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Really? I'll see you boys in a week.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Was it North Africa or South Africa that banned porn and now have one of the highest sexual assault rates in the world? Seriously though, fuck Africa. They've been killing each other for years and now they think that banning some plastic disks is gonna help? Shit...

Are the citizens actually behing this, or is this all government crap?

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Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Re-read the article, dude - it's one guy from the Family Policy Institute, which is a Concerned Citizens type group. Just one citizen, and not even government.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

The real link:

http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=3045&art_id=vn20080...

Seems to me if you gotta ban something, wouldn't it make more sense to target, y'know, SAMURAI SWORDS?

A follow-up:

(that Anon was me, btw)

Seems like this case had all the classic traits of a school shooting, minus the shooting. From this article:

http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn2008082...

[A friend] described Harmse [the killer] as shy, well-mannered and playful. "He never looked for trouble."

Harmse had told people he was not a Christian, because God was not apparent in his life. Instead, he spoke about demonology. But the friend was often in Harmse's room, and never saw any signs of Satanism. "All that was in his room were his swords, neatly (placed) on the walls," he said.

"He was speaking about how he was going to kill people when the bell rang. We tried to talk him out of it, but he didn't want to listen," said the friend.

His friend said Harmse was laughing. "I killed three people, didn't I?" he asked him. [He killed one and injured three.]

A loner, Harmse enjoyed drawing and hadn't had a girlfriend since junior school.

Not one mention of video games ANYWHERE.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Sorry anon, that's Zippy, he speaks his way, whether you like it or not, us grammar nazis have no place in a Zippy occupied thread

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Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Ha ha :P

Altho us nazis(I game nazi) need to stay togather *lick*

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Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

A clue...stablize your goddamn country frist then pick on media like the rest of the civlized world dose.....

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Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

A clue...run spell check before posting like the rest of the english speaking world does.....

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Too many damn errors to spell check for every little thing,(can't copy/paste from word07, and browser spellchecker dose not work here) they'll jsut have to use reading compherension and critical thinking skills like inteligent life forms do.

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Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

OR ... you could just not be lazy.

Funny you mention intelligent life forms and using critical thinking right after you just called every South African uncivilised. Way to go, dumbass.

 

FAIL.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

I love how people fail to make the right connections...

"yes, it was definatly the slipknot music that killed the victim, not the samurai sword."

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

I didn't know there were that many people in South Africa with CD players and computers...I thought they were still using records and 8-track players

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

South Africa has a good economy in many parts and compared to other African countries they're pretty modern. Being a web developer, I browse around online communities and web design blogs. I was surprised to learn that a good number of them are living in South Africa. They even hold WordPress developer confrences for crying out loud.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

 Funny that. Just like we have the internet, video game consoles, iPods, too. Pretty much...well...everything you have. Shame. Poor ol' backwards South Africa. If that was tongue-in-cheek, sharpen up.


Thankfully, it is highly unlikely that anybody will take this chap or his group particularly seriously. As many not-so-ignorant people have mentioned already, there are far bigger issues at hand in South Africa at present.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Don't worry as we have Zuma coming to fix those issues. ^^

And he'll bring his kill-happy friends to help him, I'm sure.


Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Erm... The first link takes me to a page on "Biden on tech freedom issues," with no mention of South Africa (or Africa, even).

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

One less Slipknot fan...  One less burger-flipper.  What's the downside?

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

I agree with

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

And if something terrible happens to you it'd be one less troll... Next time try to be a bit more heartless.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

What, I'm not heartless enough?  I'm new to this, cut me some slack. /sillyness

I suppose I did fail to mention my actual opinion, though.

First off, everyone who's saying this is a reason not to move/donate to South Africa, note that it's just a non-government-affiliated watchdog group trying to ban and violent games and music.  This article makes no mention of the government going along with it.  Therefore, this is only tentatively something to worry about.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

You know, I really get tired of these stupid people

 

"One person listened to a violent song/played a violent game/watched a violent movie/ and killed someone, this is proof we must ban them!"

 

Yeah, let's just ignore the fact that millions of OTHER watched/played/listened to the same thing and, you know, never killed anyone.

 

I've been listening to "violent" music and watching "violent" movies since I was freaking 5 (Horror movies were my favorites, and I loved metal as a child) and guess what, I've never killed anyone, assaulted anyone, or done any actual physical harm to another human being, or animal (Well, outside of the animals that die so that i can wear leather and eat meat)

 

I started "violent" games later, but the point still stands.

I despise real life violence, and would never hurt anyone who didn't hurt me or a loved one first.

What ticks me off is that it's always this stuff that gets it.

If someone, say, reads the bible before killing their family, it's not the Bible that gets blamed (Nor should it be)

If somone watches FRIENDS and slaughters their neighbor, no one thinks the stupid Fat Monica jokes drove him to it.

No, we just say "They were nuts"

Why can't this same logic apply to games and music?

 

 

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Because video games have been the "new thing" for years. It's the same reason why comic books were assaulted in the same manner. That, and they see no way they can personally censor video games (without, oh I don't know... not buying them!). If they can't personally censor something watchdog groups go crazy. Don't believe me? Take a look at the list of banned books in public school (Harriet the Spy, I kid you not, was banned because it "teaches people to question authority").  It just causes them to froth at the mouth...

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Great idea.  Just impose your point of view on other people - it's not like that's incredibly narcissistic or anything.

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Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

"Police believe he was acting out a scene in the violent video game," Naidoo said.

I believe he was acting out a violent movie. Or a violent television program. Or a violent country.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Yeah cos violence was never a problem in south africa up until violent video games and music invaded the place *rolls eyes*

 

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Caffine Germany tried to jail makers, players and buyers of violent games.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

LOL

Go search You Tube for 'Angry German Kid' - maybe that's why?

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

You have to be kidding me. If we start banning music and video games because of violence then lets just throw ourselves down that wonderfully steep slope into the book-burning and persecution-of-all-who-are-different stage.

Seriously though. We start with the banning of violent games and other media, what's next? Penalties for people who actually make them? Jail time, fines, loss-of-livelyhood? This feels on the level of people saying that hunting deer in areas where they are overpopulated is cruel because it kills them (as opposed to letting them starve to death over the winter).

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

These "watchdog groups" around the world are actually making me hate families.  Seriously.  "For the family" is becoming the new "for the children".

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

I think there are much more important issues in South Africa that they need to address...like the rampant AIDS epidemic there...

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Oh, they already found someone to blame for the AIDS epidemic from what I've heard.

Apparently the CIA, along with Wouter, created AIDS to quell the rising black population...

This startling revelation came from the head of the International Traditional and Medicine Research Council himself...

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Honestly? Take it from whence it comes - SA traditional 'healers' are dodgy at best, downright evil at worst.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

But to do that, one must put forth "effort" and "time", a big no-no in today's ADD world.

It's cheaper, easier, and more effective (in a PR sense) to go after music/movies/books/video games than to actually try to find a solution to the problem. 

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

It's also down to the fact of not having much money due to endemic corruption, gravy train spending, and insufficient governing experience on the whole.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

And I want pot to be legalized in the US so people will mellow the fruck out, but we cant all get what we want South African Watchdog people...

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Actually, there are better reasons to legalize marijuana including, but not limited to...

1) increased taxes that could be used on education/public works projects that could give people jobs

2) increased legitimate income to farmers, especially in the north east, who can not sustain themselves economically WITHOUT the crop.

3)increased medical use for leukemia/cancer patients going through radiation.

4) taking power away from small drug dealers (drug competition is the leading cause of gang violence)

5) less prison crowding...

BUT that's another soap box for me to stand up on heheh.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Once the violent products are removed and the crimes still continue what will they blame it on next???

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Rocks, then sticks.

We will need to cleanse the Earth of all rocks and sticks!

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Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Well if history is any example, here's a few classic scape-goats for crime...

1. Immigrants ("Damn immigrants have no control!  All those Mexicans/Irish/Italians/Russians do nothing but get drunk and stab people.  They live like animals and want to rape our women!")

2. Non-mainstream Religions ("Didn't you hear?  Those Satanists/Pagans/Hindus/Muslims believe it is their holy duty to drink the blood of babies/torture and kill animals/blow up buildings!")

3. People with different colored skin. (Just watch "The Birth of a Nation" as an example.)

4. Homosexuals (I can't even think of a good quote/example of this.  This group gets blamed for a lot in the most vague of ways)

5. Opposing/non-mainstream political ideology ("The Communists/Socialists/Anarchists wish to take over the world!")

 

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

I always liked the "Anarchists taking over" bit, if i'm not mistaken, isn't the true anarchist one who endeavors to oppose all forms of goverment or law? Kinda hard to exert control if your philosophy opposes all forms of control.

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Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Gay people (no offence to those who are)

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Sadly enough that already happened.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

huh? who would blame gay people for violence.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

... really?

I'll just point out two problems with this argument. I'll be the devil's advocate and assume that most people who have a predisposition to violent material will seek out violent media content, which includes television, books, video games, and music.  However, the vast majority do not. America is failing the most original SAT question ever.

If cogs can be sprogs, all sprogs are cogs, and all sprogs are violent seriel killers, does that make all cogs violent cereal killers? ... NO!!!!!!!

Also, one thing sparked my interest.

The move comes in the wake of the samurai sword killing of a 16-year-old by a schoolmate who allegedly dressed himself like Slipknot drummer Joey Jordison
"Naidoo cited the case of two US teens who were convicted of murder in 2003 after stabbing a friend 20 times and slitting his throat after listening to Slipknot's song Disasterpiece."

Now I may just be a big amateur when it comes to martial arts, but last I checked a samarai sword was a SLASHING weapon, and a rather large one at that. In fact, (checks one on wall), yeah it'd be VERY impractical to stab anyone with that thing twenty times. Slitting the throat i can believe though. The chineese weaponry was more stab based, if I remember correctly, but I always reserve the right to be wrong.

(edited because nobody is killing anyone with coacoa crispies)

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

The samurai sword case and the Two teens are seperate incidents.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Must have misread. That would make a lot more sense. :p

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

LoL Cereal killers? Captin Crunch must die! ^_^

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

This is why I edited my post. I knew trolls like you couldn't resist a typo.

 
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