Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video Games Made Me Do It" Defense

August 27, 2008 -

An attorney not named Jack Thompson has loaned credence to the use of the  video games made me do it defense.

Writing for the Palm Beach Post, Terry Bosky dishes on the increasingly familiar defense tactic of blaming violent behavior of video games. Illinois attorney James Waller told Boesky:

The goal of the ‘video games’ defense is to both shift blame and to explain to a judge and jury why this good kid is suddenly acting like a terrorist. Portraying your client as the victim of outside forces... humanizes the client and shifts the culpability... my job is to present ANY theory to a jury that would explain why my client did the things he did...

 

[The games made me do it defense works on] an unsophisticated, typically older, somewhat more rural jury pool or judge. To an extent, the defendant is playing on the prejudices that these members of society already have towards video games...

 

The manufacturers do everything they can to make sure that [the games] are a household name... Restricting supply to create buzz, sensationalizing their own violence to the media, doing idiotic things like leaving the “Hot Coffee” code in the game…the jury knows that a lot of kids today are playing this Grand Theft Auto game and that it’s very violent or adult before we even walk into the courtroom.

Law Prof. Ashley Lipson agreed:

A good defense lawyer will blame everyone in sight, except of course the client - When he or she runs out of people to blame - it’s time to look around for objects. What could be better than a popular videogame?


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Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

 If this is the case, has travesti anyone considered what's stopping someone from using this app to actually move drugs between hands for reals? travesti i am.

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

Gallagher can araç kiralama say all he wants, but I strongly rent a car believe it's due to his crappy leadership and E3 being a joke. ESA's Board of Directors need to find a way to get out rent a car of this horrid contract with this Bush cronie before there's no one left on the Board.

Btw, I think Atari and Midway will drop out too, but mostly travesti because  these guys have done nothing ttnet vitamin or little and need to start saving costs.

 

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

Why is the slogan for the same people who hate video games "guns don't kill people, people do" not the same for video games?  Something like "video games don't kill people, people do".  Yet these same people who will defend guns won't defend video games.  I just don't get it and I am a gun owner.

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

You Know, after watching that video from screwattack and hard news, which admittedly is one of my new fav shows online, it's easy to see that jack thompson has a classic case of Multiple personality disorder, or at least a version of it.

You see, theres the calm, thoughtful, intelligent jack that the public gets to see, then theres the raving, unhinged, walking out on his own hearing jack that the florida bar and we gamers came to know.

That being said, he did make a number of factual errors in that interview, the most Glaring of which was his statement about rockstar selling games to kids online.

News flash jack, You have to have a Valid Credit card to do so. Guess what, the FTC accepts that as PROOF OF AGE!!!!

You immediatly invalidate your argument when you start lying or making factual errors. Seriously, I know your not that stupid. CLinging to such a clearly false statment is why the bar is kicking your ass out of the legal profession.

Still, Gta 4 is, for all that can be said about it, the most deep and real of any of the GTA series, and for the most part, a damn fine game in it's genre. It's not that it doesnt have sex or violence, but that seems to be the very least of the games focus.  At least when I play it. All in all, Gta is not the problem. Anyone who plays GTA for the sheer purpose of creating slaughter and Chaos already had issues.

 

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Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

"People will use the Videogames made me do it defence because they believe that they are not hurting anyone

But what they are really hurting..."

You worry about the industry first? Why not worry about the the victims? 

The fact that this defense is even considered, is silly. The fact that they think an inanimate object will allow them to clear their clients of wrong-doing and should be considered an insane plea instead of a great defense. There are better tactics, and blaming a damn disk for the reason why a client goes berserk is a silly notion, since the ideas of blaming movies isn't necessarily a great tactic as well. If they can truly be influenced by violence depicting objects, they should be labeled insane and try that route. The fact that actual video games can't be "violent" since it incapable of commiting violent acts should be reason enough that such a defense is stupid. This goes right up there with the "TV" being the devil of the era since without the screen or a monitor to display it, the game can't do anything except exist stationary. The game can't be violent, since it is incapable of doing such acts, and it can't do anything on its own, it needs a display to actually show it, and therefore, a TV/monitor would be the object of blame, no? 

 

Still, a very silly defense.  A good defense lawyer tries smart things to get their client off; if it really is that much of a stretch, the insanity plea is better and more plausible since they were dumb-ass crazy to go do something stupid. A good defense lawyer will also be sure to soften the blow and go for other options. A video game defense is a laughable attempt at trying to shift blame, similar to shifting the blame to the victim of these crimes.

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

Ok everyone, time to commit crimes and use our "Videogames made me do it" defense. We'll never be convicted again. FAIL

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

they are also more likly to buy "god made me do it" too :P

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Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

Actually, they don't, it couldn't have been God making them do something 'bad', so therefore it must have been Satan, though, I'm not sure where they'd stand with a 'Satan tricked me into doing it' defence, would they then find Satan guilty of a crime? Do they think he cares?

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)

there. Now you can blame god.

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Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

This article really makes me loathe and despise defense lawyers.   

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Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

they should just send him to paulsmore prison to get raped, wot a complete idiot.

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

These kind of scumbag lawyers piss me off immensly, and are a large contributing factor to the way society is heading - a blame culture of incompetents who want free money and fame but have to do nothing at all for it.  Defences such as these, and especially the ones by whacko jacko remind me of the rape cases over here which are reduced in penalties because the victim was 'wearing proocative clothing'.

 

Isn't it sick that something like wearing tight jeans means being raped is YOUR fault, not the sick little chav bastard who commited the sick acts. It isn't your parents fault, it isn't alcohol's fault, it isn't being a poisonous little thug with an iq comparabe to a shoe size (UK sizes), the culprit is 100% responsible for his/her on actions.  We really need a few cases where factors such as these are not only blown out but enhance the punishment to set examples.

 

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Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

Why exactly is this happening? I thought the "video game made me do it" defense was considered unconstitutional

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

This brings up an interesting quirk in our legal system. At some point the argument is no longer that someone committed a crime or not, it's why they committed the crime, which from my limited understanding of the concept of law, is not important in 99% of the cases.

The only thing that is related and may matter (of course this is all opinion), is the state they were in when committing the crime, and this list should be incredibaly short and should not negate a crime, only lessen or modify the punishment.

Basically, unless you are bat shit insane, you should not have any sort of defense in a case like this, and even then you should still be locked up, just not *only* because you committed a crime.

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

This defense is probably one of the stupidest things I've ever read about. Only those who have nowhere else to turn to would use this pathetic excuse. Kind of like Jack futilely trying to defame the Florida Bar so they don't shred his license, because either than mudering the whole of the Bar, he's just about lost all other options and won't stop the inevitable.

By the way, Jack, did you like the t-shirt I sent you? I hope you're a Large (although with your giant ego inflating your head, your body might be a Large, but your head might need an XXX-Large collar).

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Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

People will use the Videogames made me do it defence because they believe that they are not hurting anyone

But what they are really hurting is the Videogame Industry that is constantly under attack from Govenments, News Media, Lawyers, Psychologists and Religious Family Groups all too willing to piont the blame to videogames.

And it is the Videogame Industry that suffers, it is also the hard working developers who suffer, it is also the Videogame Retailers who suffer but most of all it is the honest Gamers who suffer the most because of other people blaming their entertainment medium for acts far worse and out of their own control

Until the Videogame Industry takes a strong stand against this sort of bullying tactic by different members of society, they will always be a scapegoat for laywers and politicians and family groups unless if Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo make a stand together on this to try and inform the public of what really goes on here.

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

Any evidence is good evidence for many lawyers even if it is streaching the truth.

 

If a Defence lawyer tries to use Videogames to blame, it is up to the Judge and the Jury to see though it.

 

The Bible made me do it has little hope because people already know the bible well enough, but videogames since they are new to the older generation is something that works many times...

 

As a gamer who knows more about Videogames than those who don't, it all makes me want to become part of a jury to try and set things right and not to be fooled by these types of people.

 

I hope that Judges are able to look into detail like we gamers do.

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

this is the sickening part of our justice system.  if you're guilty, you shouldn't be able to scapegoat someone else.

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Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

i don't really like to use such word.. but on such occasion i think it is necessary.....

 

BULLSHIT!

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

The Video Game made me do it defense is just a poor excuse for crackpots and unprofessional lawyers to spew their own crap... but this does make sense in a way.

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

"[The games made me do it defense works on] an unsophisticated, typically older, somewhat more rural jury pool or judge."

So basically, it's designed to work on closed-minded idiots.

Also, isn't the Matrix defense rooted in the defendant's overall lack of mental stability, and not the potential harm (real or imagined) of the movie itself?  Jack, why don't you show us an acquittal that was won DIRECTLY because the jury and judge bought the arguments on harmful media, and not because of an insanity plea or something else.

If you can't, shut the f_ck up about things you know nothing about.

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Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

"Restricting supply to create buzz,

No they create buzz by hyping up the game a lot before it's released, kinda like Hollywood.

sensationalizing their own violence to the media,

The media does that themselves. 

doing idiotic things like leaving the “Hot Coffee” code in the game…"

You think that was a publicity stunt? The game was all ready controversial enough as is and was generating good reviews. I guess it's the new coke way of thinking (a blunder that big by a large company must've been planned)

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Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

I hate to spoil the little bitching party here, but in fact Tom Jackman of the Washington Post has written a lengthy article about the success in criminal cases of the diminished capacity defense, and particularly as to the success of "the Matrix defense."  Yes, as to Keanu Reeves' movie.  You gamers sure are smart about things you know nothing about.  Look up the Jackman article, Dennis, and why don't you post that, even though Jackman is a REAL journalist and the Washington Post is a REAL news organization.  Jack Thompson 

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

I am not sure you understand how the matrix defense actually works then.

While yes, it has been used in sucessful insanity pleas (and getting off for insanity is no picnic since you are then generally institutionalized), it has nothing do to with the movie outside 'this is the arbitrary piece of fiction that this insane person fixated on'.

In fact, bringing it up makes an even worse case for the 'video games made me do it' defense since the matrix defense does NOT claim that the movie is responsible any more then, say, the church is responsible for the Smart kidnap/rape case.

So careful with the claims on the 'video games made me do it' defense, otherwise a LOT of Christian leaders could be held responsible for the horrors inflicted by their less sane followers.

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

For God's sake, Thompson, Dennis isn't trying to compare himself to the big news stations like NBC, ABC, and CBS. (Which are the ones you should try getting on, since people, like, ACTUALLY WATCH THEM.)

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

So cry me a river Jack.

You stopped being relevant a long time ago, now it's just you and the sound of your own voice.

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

I thought you were mad at the Washington Post for retracting your favorite story, you pedophile-enabler. 

By the way, I'm writing this in the computer lab of a school where a tragic shooting occured in the early 70's.  Did Pac-Man make them do it?

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

Of course not, you nitwit, GTA did. I mean nevermind the fact it wouldn't exist for another 20-30 years, but games are witchcraft of the devil anyway, so there you go.</sarc>

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Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

Are you talking about the Brampton Centennial Secondary School shooting? I happen to go to that school.

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

Good guess.  Actually, it's Cal State Fullerton.  As far as I understand it, the shooting was in the basement of the library, where the computer lab is now.  Freaky stuff, but I didn't find that out until I'd been going there for a while.

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

If such a tactic is as effective as you say then why haven't you won any relevent cases?  At all.  Ever.

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

So, you are saying that this defence might work. What us gamers are saying is that it's a stupid and wrongful excuse, and you can't change that.

Jack, you want to protect the children, but how are you when you are making killers into the victim, so they could go back onto the streets much faster.

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

ALso, WE are NOT the ones who might have their law licenses taken away due to 27 
CHARGES OF COURTROOM MISCONDUCT!!!! Not to mention all those people likely waiting to sue you for various reasons after the fact. I wonder how hard it will be fidn yourself a lawyer since you can't defend yourself anymore, not that you'd do that good a job if you tried.

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

The twinkie defense worked ONCE. Name when it's worked since, excluding cases you've been aq part of since we know it's never worked for you, the video game defence beign no exception

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

And yet, they whacked part of a story when they discovered that you had basically made it completely up without proof? Hello VA Tech...

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Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

Link?

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/archive/index.php/t-14866.html

 

That site has the story Jacky boy is talking about. It helps his cause as much as sticking a nail through his foot.

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

Good find.  Just read it and you're right.  The Matrix defense is about the insanity of the killer, not the culpability of the movie.  In fact, the folks quoted in the article are very clear that the movie did not cause these insane people to kill.

And as for you Thompson, maybe Dennis didn't post a link to the article because it's 5 years old and has nothing to do with video games.

 

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Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

Are you asking factual evidence to Jack Thompson? THIS IS MADNESS!!!

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This isn't madness......THIS IS REAL LIFE!!!! 

*kicks Jack Thompson down a bottomless pit*

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Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

Figuratively speaking, right?

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

Don't bother asking. He won't link it as he knows we'd read it and see the part her picked that he liekd, but the rest won't play into his favor.

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

Expecting real evidence from Johnny-boy is like expecting anything but the Wookie defense from the South Park Johnny Cochran. Should know that by now Andrew.

 

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Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, Chef's attorney would certainly want you to believe that his client wrote "Stinky Britches" ten years ago. And they make a good case. Hell, I almost felt pity myself! But, ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense! Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, [approaches and softens] does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.

 

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Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

It's one thing to defend your client and another to be digging for gold. A competent lawyer would not grasp for straws such as the "video game defense".

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

This is not the video game defense.  This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read.  Jack Thompson

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

They've described your methods, exactly: misinforming the technophobic for personal gain and to release criminals from their most basic responsibilities.  Or are you offended that they don't say they'd rather kids be sexually abused than play video games?

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

Right. It's only legit if YOU'RE the one doing it, right?

Re: Attorney: Older, Rural Jurors More Likely to Buy "Video

You'd be an expert in stupid defenses then Johnny-boy?

 

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Please!!!!

This guy is not Jack Thompson, just another attention whore...   Jack Thompson has the name "Jack Thompson, attorney at law" or something of that sort registered here. 

 
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