Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be Banned from Having Sex

September 1, 2008 -

We've missed Perrin Kaplan ever since she left Nintendo last year.

But she's back, apparently, and made a bit of a splash at the just-completed PAX by remarking that:

Parents who use video games as a babysitter shouldn't have sex to begin with.

Perrin's comments came during a panel session on sex and violence in games. Her new company, Zebra Partners will ramp up later this year when her non-compete agreement expires with Nintendo.

Via: Spong


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Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

Having no sex really is the ultimate preventer of bad children. But when they do have children and do the best they can, how do you keep them from being warped by neighborhood kids that might be bad? 

I've watched a debate where a pro-gamer and pro-parenting advocate had said that parents should just not buy inappropriate games for their kids. The other side's response? That these kids will go to their friends' houses anyways and play the games there. I didn't like this response because it implied that parents should just give up trying to block content, when the correct response would be to raise your child in order to properly take in the content. It also brings up an interesting point. It takes a whole village to raise a good child. Or a whole neighborhood, whichever fits. Good parenting should be a collective contribution.

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

move to a better neighborhood for one thing.

as for going to someone elses house and playing them, be sure to VOICE your opinion of certain types of content to the other childs parents on what you find appropriate/inappropriate for your child. If they fail to adhere to your guidelines for your kid, don't allow them over there anymore.

simple as that. I had a friend who's parents did just that, they didn't approve of a number of things most people would've considered just plain stupid (hardcore religious people are like that though i suppose) his parents were very vocal about what they deemed "safe" and not so safe.

most anyone worth their weight would respect a fellow parents decisions regarding their kid, and cleanup, or at least try to avoid, anything the other parent would object too.

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

Birth control? Just pull out and wipe it on her pillow case. Sheesh, problem solved, no rug rat fuck trophy to park in front of the tv taking up all of YOUR precious console time.

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

Can I add to this?  Parents that can't handle the kids they already have should be banned from having sex as well...  There are a lot of shotty parents out there, and them having 8 kids and not even able to manage 1 is insane...  (Our potential Republican VP is a shining example of people who have more kids than they can handle, and now her 17 yr old is prego.)

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

Couldn't disagree more. I think she's a brilliant parent for her statement concerning the pregnancy revelation. It was something to the effect of: she's going to have a lot on her hands and it's going to grow her up faster than we (her and her husband) ever could. She also said that the entire family would be there to support her.

If that's not a good family, I don't know what is. Also - it's the 21st century - why is everyone still viewing a teenage pregnancy as a life-ending catastrophe?

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

This lady had a child at the age of 44 that has downs because of her having him as such an old age.  she is a bad parents that mades selfish choices, and does not think about others.

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

So you have data that proves incontrovertibly that women over 44 give birth to babies with Down's Syndrome?

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

I was going to throw a similar comment out to see people's reactions, but you beat me to it.

Also?  Bastardizations of the word "pregnant" should all be grounds for denying procreative rights =P

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

Of course, if more people had replied to her comment instead of the title of the article, then people might have been a little more sensible.

She never suggested making it law.

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

WoW!!!  Over 100 comments and not a JT post to be seen...I think this is a record!

Seriously, though, she wasn't being serious about this...I think some people are taking her comments way too seriously...

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

And you just *had* to go and sully this lively debate with He Who Shall Not Be Named ... Nice going, dumbass ;)

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

Hehehe...

It's been 4 days since his last comment...do you know where your soon-to-be-ex-attorney is?

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

Under that same rock in Florida when we last saw him I'd guess. ;)

-Loudspeaker
"Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

"Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

Hopefully crying over his lost job

When Life gives you lemons, you find a new god.

When Life gives you lemons, you find a new god.

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

Quick question, I know I mentioned it before but how many people would rather implement Swift's 'A modest proposal' then forced sterelization/child licenses? I know I would.

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Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

She didn't seriously mean that parents should be banned from having kids, nor is Dennis trying to stir up shit. People on here are just succumbing to knee-jerk reactions, and not realizing how hypocritical they sound.

Also, kudos to Father Time, ed, Grizzam, and others for keeping there cool during this cluster-fuck of a discussion

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

 "A thing worth doing should be worth doing well."

 

SRSLY, every time I hear some idiot say "ZOMG HOW DO YOU EXPECT ME TO KNOW WHAT MY KIDS R WATCHIN'/PLAYING!?!" I think they're idiots.

 

I realize that in order to pay bills you have to have 2 jobs (at least) but there such things as v-chips that kind of thing.

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

If it takes you two jobs just to break even, something is very wrong.

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

Some people are taking the 'blame the parents' mentality way too far.

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Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

how so?

no ones willing to admit it.

it IS the parents fault, the parents these days aren't taking ACTIVE roles in their kids lives because they are to busy with "work"

BOTH my parents worked when i was young, but my mother left her full time job to take care of me and my siblings when we where young, when she did get a new job she went to work part time at a gas station for minimum wage, just so she could be home when we got home from school.

She also only hired TRUSTED babysitters, HUMAN ones no less. The mentality these days is "what harm can they do on their own?" just before a kid drinks bleach, or burns the house down.

but its the bleaches fault, or the gas companies fault, NOT the parents?

its not the parents fault when their kid doesn't know the differance between reality and virtual reality?

my father used to pull me aside and give me a constant lecture on the differance between them, and he never censored any of my vid games (back when they had censorship built into some PC games) so i was allowed to play Duke 3D uncensored at the age of 9, and Half Life in full gore (my fave aspect of it really)

my parents involvement in my life is what kept me from being jail bait, and believe me i was not an easy kid to take care of. five schools i had been kicked out of, FIVE!  and they STILL supported me, and STILL never gave up hope or listened to so called "experts" on trying to pretend it was all the governments fault and should pay them to take care of me.

most parents would've given up after the first problem (in my case it was destroying a library at a local catholic school.)

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

AND LO, IT CONTINUES!

"the parents these days"
"The mentality these days is "what harm can they do on their own?""

 

Where are you even getting this from? What "news" outlet are you listening to that is filling your head with such crapola? Or have you conducted a local survey of, say, 1000 parents and their attitudes towards parenting? Do you have data? Links?

These are GENERALISATIONS that help nobody.

BEGONE - go do some bloody reading and come back when you're at least slightly informed beyond your own anecdotes.

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

i've based it off of direct observation.

i've watched mothers walk children UNDER 15 out in public with the child screaming obseneties at them and the mother only agreeing, or shrugging it off. things like the kid literally calling her a "Bi***" and demanding certain things. not once have i seen this, but multiple times.

i've watched parents disregard their kids activities, and take no part in them.

i've watched as parents just stick their kids in front of a TV to "get away from them". then proceed to ignore the child for a period of time under the impression "what harm can they do?"

i've watched as parents would stand there and disregard a clerk trying to give them good advice (I.E. don't buy GTA SA its got prostitution in it) and listen to a kid who responds with "no it fu**ing doesn't!, he's a fu**ing lier!) I've also seen parents who's money spending limits obviously are limited beyond the PS3 and a handful (not just two, but like 4 or more) games. all for a kid under 10.

its not generalizations, its the truth sadly.

no its not all parents, no one said it is, it is however a growing issue among them.

its nothing new, its nothing surprising, its just something that gets brushed off as someone elses fault at every corner, because people don't want to deal with their own mistakes.

 

i'm not saying parents should be super 100% attentive, personaly i liked my time roaming town at a near free pace. (boundries being the street immediately in front of our house for a long time, eventually i was able to wonder off into the forests and fields, but was required to remain within earshot of the house, cause if i didn't come running ASAP when my parents called, it was a nasty time with my dads leather belt waiting for me when i did get back, as a long sit in an EMPTY bedroom (as in, no toys left, my room was stripped CLEAN right down to the posters on the wall) as followup.

but boundries were set, and held. the only consoles i saw as a kid were my DADS atari, a Nintendo we eventually got as a FAMILY gift during X-Mas, and the eventual Sega for the same reason (that and my dad worked for a company that tried to do the "sega channel" service) and even on the consoles limits were set and maintained, we were often kicked out of the house and told to be constructive with our time, and that video games and tv didn't count.    there were no parks, no play area's nothing of the sort. only an empty street, some yards, a wooded area, and a railroad that was deemed off limits.  so wheres the excuse of lacking recreational facilities now?

why should the government be supplying these at the tax payers expense?

 

i'm all for taking the kids to the farm yard and setting them loose too, but someone needs to WATCH them and ensure safety no less. not just nod off and watch the game with a few buddies and some beer.

the problem is the latter is the more common amongst us lately. or rather, let me rephrase that, "the latter is the more commonly SEEN amongst us lately" moreso than are the more common.

 

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

Are...are you kidding?  How about a little outlet called Fox News?  Probably all of NewsCorp, for that matter.

The fact that a non-trivial portion of government and news media blames video games (and other forms of media) for the ills of society, specifically problems with society's youth, isn't even disputable.  How can you even question that?

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

Dude just because a parent thinks video games are harmful doesn't mean that "the parents these days aren't taking ACTIVE roles in their kids lives".

People have blamed society's ills on popular culture for decades, it doesn't mean they're bad parents.

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Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

Actually, that's a pretty solid factor in bad parenting.  Blaming the current cultural scapegoat for their own lack of research and information?  Yes, that is definitely a negative factor.

Note also that a parent can certainly make some bad parenting decisions and still not be a bad parent.  No parent is perfect, and I'm not saying we confiscate the children of everyone who ever blamed anything on video games.  What I am saying is that we should recognize this irresponsible pattern of behavior for what it is: an irresponsible pattern of behavior.

 

EDIT: I think the meaning of the "ACTIVE ROLE" comment above is less about actual level of activity and more about the quality of that involvement.  There are plenty of parents out there who are TOO involved in their children's lives.  It's not about dictating exactly what your child does at any given moment, it's about having enough information and setting up the proper safeties and guidelines to ensure that your child is not coming to harm.  Knowing what they play is a part of that.

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

I'm also going to voice my disgust at the reaction to this statement. While knee-jerk reactions and sensational speech is nothing new, the blatant hypocrisy among politically-active gamers on this topic has been disgusting.

For the first time I find myself wholly ashamed to be a part of this community.

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

It surprises you that gamers are human?! Where did you think we all came from? :D

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

the first time? Were you not here when some people complained that RE4 was racist?

Apparently most of the people can only identify one type of knee jerk reaction which is why they make so many (not a jab at the op but to all the people saying a breeding license is a good idea).

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When this logic is applied to something

First off if we're going to believe that you need proof of violent video games' supposed harm before you outlaw them I think it would be very hypocritical to pass something like this without proving that Dumb/Bad parents ALWAYS make bad kids.

But applying the logic of 'you need a license so we're sure you won't screw up' we would also need a license for

Alcohol

Video games (some people may be psychopathic)

A knife

etc.

But go on let's waste more of our money providing a system that gives out licensing. I'm sure it will work oh so well, I mean just look at our car licensing system and how little car accidents we have. I'm also positive that nobody will have kids secretly and that giving the government this much power will have absolutely no negative consequences and that they will only go after the really bad kids. I'm also quite positive that using the blunt of law enforcement to try to turn society into something we prefer (but do not need) in a matter that removes personal freedoms and is totally unnecessary, is perfectly fine and nothing like those holier than though asshole 'moral majority' types who want to ban anything they see as 'unfit for public consumption' in the name of 'protecting society'. I also believe that these views are in no way hypocritical, wrong minded and insane.

Now excuse me while I go laugh myself into a coma.

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Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

This counters "I blame it on games" defense on a good amount of levels. Thank you Perrin!

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

I can't get over the cavalcade of ass-hattery that's come out in these comments. I mean, the massive wave of useless generalisations is just swamping the few intelligent responses. YOUR ASS-HATTERY IS MAKING ME FURIOUS!

Let's review, shall we?

"ars*holes and trailer trash "
"you should need [a license] to breed as well"
"So if you wanna do it, you gotta be prepared for the possibility of kids"
"People should start to raise their kids. "
"We've often long said that certain people shouldn't breed"
"Personally, I'm all in favor of involuntary sterilization"
"The truth is, some people really are that stupid and just keep popping out baby after baby."
"A casual glance at society in general seems to bear this out."
"all I'm saying is that it wouldn't be such a bad idea if there was a at least a test or something to see if couples were fit to be parents"
"Create a parenting liscense that you have to earn the right to have kids."
"It makes sense since parents want to find everything and anything to blame for their kids' behaviour, instead of blaming themselves for their shitty parenting."
"Banning sex? Not even the Iranians have done that yet.. I think."
"It would solve many of the problems in the world."
"damnit, ive been saying it for years. FORCED STERILIZATION for those who fail to meet a certain criteria on an intelligence test. they MUST NOT PROCREATE."
"We need to have a licence to breed. There is nothing evil about it. Some people should not be allowed to procreate!"

F**k every one of you gutless tin-pot knee-jerk throwaway-commenting sh*t-heels! Keep your crap ideas out of my life and everybody else's. You are not part of the solution - YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

I support some, but definitely not all of the viewpoints here and I take exception to your crude ad hominem attacks. Debate with logic, or leave the thread if you can't contribute.

Other people have opinions. Deal with it or debate it.

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

Really? Which ones exactly do you support, and why? I can only see two direct statements on it from you:

At the end of the day, though, people are just carelessly popping out sprogs that they have no interest in raising

they could just disincentivise having kids for certain people (those who can't be arsed to learn anything new - especially about parenting, communication, and marriage)

Yet more generalistions - who are these "people" you speak of?

You take exception? This utter bullshit has to be fought and fought hard. It is NOT ACCEPTABLE to suggest forced sterilisation, eugenics, or the removal of breeding rights, ever, but especially when the basis for those suggestions is willful ignorance.

And BTW, for it to be ad hominem, there would have to be an ARGUMENT or factual claim that I am ignoring. There isn't - just a bunch of generalistions touted as a reason to stamp on my rights.

So how about you "debate with logic" yourself. You could start by providing some data that shows there is even a problem, or maybe clarify your position and the reasons behind it, or leave the thread your damn self.


 

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

Fair question. My position is that people should be incentivised to have children within their means, both financial and emotional. I emphatically do not support any form of state-sponsored sterilisation, eugenics, or breeding restrictions. I support government fiscal support and social preference for smaller, more sustainable families. The most important point is that people should be encouraged to really think about the burdens of parenting. It costs a lot of money, time, and emotional effort, and not everybody has that. I'm sure you won't deny that some people are awful parents? For some of them, they may be better off waiting to have a child until the time is right and they actually want one, instead of it being a mistake. There is no absolute guarantee that this will stop people who are wrong for parenting from conceiving, but at least there's a chance.

Maybe by now you can see that I'm not in the same basket as some of the more extreme voices, so I'll agree with you that the forced sterilisation, etc. is bs and should be fought.

No, for it to be ad hominem it would have to be a personal attack. As in: "F**k every one of you gutless tin-pot knee-jerk throwaway-commenting sh*t-heels" (emphasis mine).

Data that shows that some people are bad parents? I refer you to your nearest Child Protection charity for more data you could shed tears at.

I can has staying on thread priviledges?

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

Somebody here obviously isn't having sex, hence their hangup about this issue.  My fiancee and I don't want children at all, primarily because the way the world is going and the issues raised by those irresponsible enough to have children when they SHOULDN'T.  You wonk on about rights, but face it, this world IS going Orwellian, in regards to surveillance and rules.  We are increasingly being told what to and what not to do.  Perhaps the better idea would be to stop all child-related perks and benefits which make the option of popping brat-bastards out more lucrative than getting of ones arse and working. All IMHO, and arses like the poster above should put a similar disclaimer.

 

BLAMO!!!

Excellent sum up.

 

-Entertainment isn't the reason the world sucks. It's the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

Aye, generalizations and holier than though attitudes for the epic loss.

They may as well be saying, "Us smart people are what make society great, you stupid people are like a wart on the greater society. We need to have a way to make you dumb people go away so that us smart people can inhabit the Earth." It sounds a lot like the Nazis complaining about the Jews (I don't give a damn about Godwin's law here it really is appropriate).

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Hilarious!

That was awesome.I burst out laughing when I read it.

Maybe they should masturbate.....?

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

and the award for Epic Win of the Year goes to....Perrin Kaplan

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

You know it's funny that most of the people who are in favor of this terrible idea also think that if a parent let's their 10 year old play GTA they must be bad parents (never mind the fact that there are so much more things about being a parent then that), without ever meeting the 10 year old and meanwhile still proclaiming GTA to be harmless. I wonder what society would be like if these people were the ones deciding who gets to have children.

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Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

Hey, anyone remember Jurassic Park? You remember how all the stupid people were killed and eaten? And most of the intelligent people survived? (Sorry, Samuel L. Jackson, but you went to the shed alone: bad move. Same with you, kinda-crazy hunter guy; going it alone = getting eaten) (and yes, that includes the kids and old guy; they had enough know-how to survive)

Does anyone also remember the Discovery Channel special about how scientists theorize that they could reverse-engineer/devolve birds into dinosaurs?

How much you wanna bet that if they succeed and create raptors and t-rexes and whatnot, and they escape into modern civilization, that most of the stupid (not sick/mentally challenged/poor/etc., just plain stupid) people will be eaten?

Think about it......No need for forced sterilization. Nature evens itself out.

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

A. I wouldn't base your logic on fiction and predictable movie events (i.e. minor/idiotic characters get eaten).

B. I'm pretty sure the scientists have watched Jurassic park as well or at least have considered how to contain the dinos.

C. Natural Selection can work without Dinosaurs.

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Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

I'd agree. Of course, she never itended for it to be taken literally. It's more like "Censoring video games isn't the problem, bad parenting is the problem", deal. Thing is bad parents tend to blame non-human "babysitters" (TV, movies, rock music, video games) for almost all the crappy things that happen to the kids and sometimes the world in general. To bad parents, they don't have a problem and they don't makle mistakes, 'coz their the parents and they know best (totally bull, parents should know they are only human).

It's turning into a pro-choice/life/eugenics thread when it wasn't the main intention.

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

I'm with you 100% on that.

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

Epic win

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

Agreed.

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

Seconded.

-Loudspeaker
"Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

"Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

Well it is about time that a person 'who used to be from nintendo' finally said that Parents need to take the responsibility of raising their children instead of letting them thinking that all you need to do it to put a TV in front of a child and they will 'learn' everything sadly parenting is not as simple as that, as I have learned from a few examples from my external family. Parenting takes time and even though children don't understand their parents, it can also be said that parents don't understand their children too.

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

Also for parents who don't understand videogames, there is ALWAYS the ESRB, BBFC, PEGI and the OFLC content classification ratings that are there to help them.

but because there will always be parents who just will never understand the Videogame Classification Ratings there will always be misinformed parents and there will always be parents who just never understand videogames and place the blame on Videogames when their kids turn out bad.

And finally someone from the Videogame Industry is finally pointing that out and say that we do all the good work, but parents need to take their own responsibility to raise their kids.

Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be

you go girl!

 
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