We've missed Perrin Kaplan ever since she left Nintendo last year.
But she's back, apparently, and made a bit of a splash at the just-completed PAX by remarking that:
Parents who use video games as a babysitter shouldn't have sex to begin with.
Perrin's comments came during a panel session on sex and violence in games. Her new company, Zebra Partners will ramp up later this year when her non-compete agreement expires with Nintendo.
Via: Spong
Andrew Eisen: Michael Chandra - Unless I overlooked it, we haven't seen how the directive to not talk about whatever he wasn't supposed to talk about was phrased so it’s hard to say if it could have been misconstrued as a suggestion or not.10/20/2014 - 12:35pm
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Andrew Eisen: Hey, the second to last link is the relevant one! He actually did say "let them suffer." Although, he didn't say it to the other person he was bickering with.10/20/2014 - 12:29pm
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Neo_DrKefka: https://archive.today/F14zZ https://archive.today/SxFas https://archive.today/1upoI https://archive.today/0hu7i https://archive.today/NsPUC https://archive.today/fLTQv https://archive.today/Wpz8S10/20/2014 - 11:21am
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Andrew Eisen: Neo_DrKefka - "Attacking"? Interesting choice of words. Also interesting that you quoted something that wasn't actually said. Leaving out a relevant link, are you?10/20/2014 - 11:04am
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quiknkold: ugh. I want to know why the hell Mozerella Sticks are 4 dollars at my works cafeteria...are they cooked in Truffle Oil?10/20/2014 - 10:41am
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Neo_DrKefka: Anti-Gamergate supporter Robert Caruso attacks female GamerGate supporter by also attacking another cause she support which is the situation happening in Syia “LET SYRIANS SUFFER” https://archive.today/F14zZ https://archive.today/Wpz8S10/20/2014 - 10:18am
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Neo_DrKefka: That is correct in an At-Will state you or the employer can part ways at any time. However Florida also has laws on the books about "Wrongful combinations against workers" http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2012/448.04510/20/2014 - 10:07am
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james_fudge: he'd die if he couldn't talk about Wii U :)10/20/2014 - 9:16am
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Michael Chandra: By the way, I am not saying Andrew should stop talking about Wii-U. I find it quite nice. :)10/20/2014 - 8:53am
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Michael Chandra: 'How dare he ignore my wishes and my advice! I am his boss! I could have ordered him but I should be able to say it's advice rather than ordering him directly!'10/20/2014 - 8:52am
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Michael Chandra: If GP goes "EZK, do not talk about X publicly for a week, we're preparing a big article on it" and he still tweets about X, they'd have a legitimate reason to be pissed.10/20/2014 - 8:52am
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Michael Chandra: If GP tells Andrew "we'd kinda prefer it if you stopped talking about Wii-U for 1 week" and he'd tweet about it anyway, firing him for it would be idiotic.10/20/2014 - 8:51am
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Michael Chandra: Legal right, sure. But that doesn't make it any less pathetic of an excuse.10/20/2014 - 8:50am
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ZippyDSMlee: You mean right to fire states.10/20/2014 - 8:50am
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james_fudge: some states have "at will" employee laws10/20/2014 - 7:50am
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quiknkold: It says in the article that being in florida, you can get fired regardless if its a fireable offence10/20/2014 - 7:19am
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Michael Chandra: If your employee respectfully disagrees with your advice, that's not a fireable offense. If they ignore your order, THEN you have the right to be pissed.10/20/2014 - 6:49am
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Michael Chandra: I... Don't get one thing. If you do not want your employee to do X, why do you tell them it's advice or a wish? Give them a damn order.10/20/2014 - 6:48am
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james_fudge: A leak that had me worried about being swatted by Lizard Squad.10/20/2014 - 6:03am
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james_fudge: It should be noted that the author leaked the GJP group names online10/20/2014 - 6:03am
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Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
Aren't a lot of foster homes shitholes too?
Does this post make my butt look big?
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
A good number of them are overcrowded yes, but that's not necesarily the fault of those in charge of the foster homes. A lot of juggling has to be done due to the sheer amount of cases social service workers have to deal with, and just not enough space to put them all. My girlfriends aunt is a foster mother and takes care of four children in addition to the two she had from marriage. They live in good conditions in a good neighborhood and are given everything they need. Good foster homes are out there. :p
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
*blinks* She's got more balls than any male exec I've seen so far.
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
It makes sense since parents want to find everything and anything to blame for their kids' behaviour, instead of blaming themselves for their shitty parenting.
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
The parents of JT shouldn't of ever f*#!ed in the first place to begin with, this site would have never existed perhaps. You know what ex-exec is wearing her ovaries on the outside, now ain't she?
Jesus Jack Jones Thompson told me to do it!
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
This... this is... holy crap, I've believed this for the past eight years, and to hear someone just come out and say it renews a great deal of my faith in the human race.
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
Shnitzel: "OHHHHHH!!" *muches popcorn*
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
Someone I know from another forum said the same thing.
Hearing it come from a former Nintendo executive makes it all the more awesome.
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
I like it. Create a parenting liscense that you have to earn the right to have kids.
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
I have to agree. As much as any gamer would enjoy a whole day of playing games, they shouldn't be used to baby sit 5 year old little Johnny. xD
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
Best. Proposal. EVAR.
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
Stupidest, Most Draconian Idea Ever
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
We've often long said that certain people shouldn't breed; that those who are irresposnible parents shouldn't even be having kids in the first place. Of course, we say it privately to ourselves or to our friends when no one else in in earshot, out of fear we'll be called rude or "politically incorrect." But still, it's the truth and it does need to be said. And it's refreshing to finally hear someone in a business position, especially someone from the video game industry, who has the balls to come out and say it and put irresponsible parents - who try to shift the blame from themselves to society and whine to politicians and lawyers from Miami - in their place. Personally, I'm all in favor of involuntary sterilization.
@ Cyberskull
It's my personal belief that sex is for pleasure and that babies just happen to result from it. An unfortunate side-effect if you will. However, if you are well-informed and responsible and use one or more of the birth control devices and procedures available (Which unfortunately most teenager's aren't. Thank you, Bush administration, for cutting Sex Education!) unwanted pregnancy can be avoided. Just don't feed me any of that abstinence bullshit. Sex is a basic human drive, just like eating or sleeping, and it's wrong to try to suppress it. People will have sex whether we like it or not.
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
In favor of involuntary sterilization.
So you are against the regulation of entertainment products and you are for the involuntary sterilization of American Citizens? Am I getting that down right? So you basically want to take away a basic human birthright and at the same time protect something is based around entertainment? What?
Now I believe irresponsible parents are to blame for all the flak the game industry receives. But prohibiting people from having children? That is on the level of legalizing slavery or reinstating segregation. Yes, thats how terrible the idea is. Its on that level. You've just sank that low. Great job.
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
Oh jeez, man, can't you take a joke, or sarcasm, when you hear it? I guess maybe I should have used the "[SARCASM], [/SARCASM]" tags to make it more clear. The truth is, some people really are that stupid and just keep popping out baby after baby. Case in point, while I was in a CVS one time I saw a white trash couple with a brood of about three kids. Both of them were real class acts, let me tell you; either yelling at their kids or ignoring them no matter how much they begged for attention. The wife was a real mouth-breather, too, and at the time I was thinking something along the lines of if she closed both the holes in the top and the bottom, maybe they wouldn't have had to deal with as many kids as they had. Those are the kinds of people where maybe something like that would apply.
Ever hear of the movie Idiocracy? It's based on the theory that stupid people breed faster than smarter ones. A casual glance at society in general seems to bear this out. If that's the case, maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to institute some compulsory measures. Ender's Game showed a future society where married couples weren't allowed to have more than two kids (China already has a similar law in effect, I hear).
Anyway, all I'm saying is that it wouldn't be such a bad idea if there was a at least a test or something to see if couples were fit to be parents, just like driving a car. If they fail, then they'll be put on birth control. I'm not saying they couldn't have sex. They'd be free to fuck all they want, they just won't multiply like rabbits, that's all.
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
"Anyway, all I'm saying is that it wouldn't be such a bad idea if there was a at least a test or something to see if couples were fit to be parents, just like driving a car. If they fail, then they'll be put on birth control. I'm not saying they couldn't have sex. They'd be free to fuck all they want, they just won't multiply like rabbits, that's all."
That would be a TERRIBLE idea. Anyone who really thinks it's a good idea hsn't thought this through. First off who defines what a 'fit parent' is eh? It sounds like something that would be impossible to tell from just a couple interviews. Second having children should be a right not a privilege. Don't 'unift' parents have rights too? If they become REAL bad we have child services (which has had cases of abusing power anyway en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alicia_Wade). Oh and if we're going to go by your car analogy the best way to learn how to drive a car is to actually drive one. Sometimes you learn as you go. Third people who are determined enough will get a child, whether it be through adoption or finding some way around the birth control (and I would help them find a way around it too if such an insane law was actually passed). Fourth are you REALLY willing to trust the government with the power to decide who gets to have children? The same government that politicizes the justice department? That just leaves the door open for all kinds of governmental abuse.
All in all it's an absolutely terrible idea, and what will we get out of it anyway?
Before you give me the argument of overpopulation there are many ways to help reduce overpopulation that don't involve trampling on people's rights.
In India for example one section of it encourages women to get sterelised after two kids. They don't get punished if they don't but those who do get a bunch of stuff like qualifying for certain loans, and it's worked really well. And if welfare doesn't rub you the right way there are other means too.
Oh and stupidity is not Aids, it does not necessarily transfer to children. I can point out all the numerous cases where kids prove to be smarter than either parent
If my government ever got so powerful that it could decide whether or not I have kids, (even if I didn't have some infectious disease) I would try to overthrow it.
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
Who issues the test and who decides what a "fit parent" is? Now with that in mind, which line do you think you'll end up being tossed into? The rich and politically powerful breeders, or the sterylized poor people?
-Entertainment isn't the reason the world sucks. It's the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
Who deems that we are bad drivers, or that we aren't tall enough for roller coasters, or that someone identified as having a low IQ?
Society, that's what. I would LOVE to not have children. I have taken parenting classes, and have fully prepared my mentality that children are small annoyances, with a very large chance of just wasting space instead of doing something productive, or at least going to college.
But no matter how many people try to think that we are going to "sterilize" the poor, think about this- this so called "test" (for lack of a better term) would be based on intelligence. And yes, that is discriminating against those who don't have an education (or at least common sense). Also think about this- Would it be cruel to prevent the mentally challenged from reproducing? Some say "They have the right" but most don't know it. On the long term, it would benifit the gene pool greatly, considering that some mental retardation disorders are, indeed, genetic.
I'm not agreeing with making everyone stop having kids (that'd be great, but I know society wouldn't allow it), but I am agreeing that we need to take control over our genes and spread the good ones, not the bad. Do as nature intended- survival of the fitest. We, as humans who have gained the ability of consciousness, need to put forth an effort to stop all the bad genes (AKA, behavoral, intelligence, etc) from spreading all over the world.
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
"Who issues the test and who decides what a "fit parent" is? Now with that in mind, which line do you think you'll end up being tossed into? The rich and politically powerful breeders, or the sterylized poor people?"
Well said.
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I fully agree.
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
It's my personal belief that sex is for pleasure and that babies just happen to result from it. An unfortunate side-effect if you will.
An unfortunate side effect? That it makes babies is half the purpose of sex. You say it yourself, it's a basic human drive - namely the reproductive one.
-Gray17
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
I think I ought to have taken the word "unfortunate" out in hindsight. I still stand by what I said, however, in that it just so happens to be a reproductive function as well, like you said. The thing is, though, there are people out there who will insist that sex is intended for procreation only and don't believe it can be for recreational purposes as well, and those tend to be the Bible-thumpers and anti-porn crusaders. And I had them in mind as I was writing as a dig at them.
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
You miss my point. Making babies isn't a "side-effect" of sex. It's half the purpose. Saying that it's a side effect is like saying that getting nourishment is a side effect of eating.
-Gray17
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
Again, maybe I should make myself more clearer next time. I was just being sardonic. I've noticed that doesn't come across well in text, so I apologize for my failed attempt at sardonic humor.
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
I got it as intended, black manta ;)
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
Concur, 100%.
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
I agree with her sentiments.
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
What Sigvatr said - except I am blaming the author. The title of this story is terribly misleading.
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
On the contrary, I'd say this article is a more accurate interpretation of her sentiments than her actual words. I think we've established that allowing children to play video games as a means of occupying some portion of their time/attention is acceptable as long as the parents monitor the content of the games being played.
What isn't okay is just assuming that all games are for kids, that leaving children to their own devices is fine because they're just playing with "toys", and then bitching and moaning when their child does something wrong and blaming it on "those evil games" that THEY allowed into their home and their children's hands. THAT is...being a bad parent.
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Fantastic!
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Yeah, gotta go with the she's right about that crowd. People should start to raise their kids. Video games should be a hobby, not a parent.
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I wholeheartedly agree. If you can't be bothered to raise your kids, don't have them.
/b
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
So, if people can't afford to have one parent stay home all day, perhaps they shouldn't have kids either. At what point do you start advocating the forced sterilization of poor people?
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
My parents were immigrants from Mexico, so we were low-class when I came to be born.
But even so, my parents always had time for me, and they even saved up to buy my first NES.
I think that people are reffering that most parents that neglect their children MOSTLY ARE low-class, which is truly a bit of a stereotype (just a bit).
But I can see the underlaying theme of this article....,
If you are going to have a child, you must be dedicated to spend time with him/her, or risk view those damn child-kills-inspired-by-the-damned-newest-form-of-popular-media-that-had-little-or-nothing-to-with-it news prompts.
Now if you would excuse me, I am going to go play GTA on my PS3. (Bitchin')
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
Well said, mate - my parents were not very wealthy, yet I was never neglected and I got all the stuff I needed (although I did need to learn the difference between need and want).
At the end of the day, though, people are just carelessly popping out sprogs that they have no interest in raising, which eventually becomes a global problem - do we do something now, when we have a good chance of phasing in changes, or do we just wait for the overpopulation to pressure us into WW3?
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She's right, it's as simple as that, if they weren't using Video Games as a babysitter, they'd be using the TV etc, it's not the nature of the medium that is the problem, it's the nature of the parent.
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Parents who can't or don't take care of their kids ought to not have sex. These parents that don't understand that violent games aren't for their little seven-year-old are in the same boat. Granted she said it straight out, point blank, and got a bit of a shock, I would expect.. but at least there is one more person that I've heard about that UNDERSTANDS how this stuff works.
---- There is a limit for both politicians against video games, and video games against politicians. http://www.goteamretard.com
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
She's right. Having sex, even with precautions, can lead to children. So if you wanna do it, you gotta be prepared for the possibility of kids.
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
That's a very old fashioned point of view if I may say so. Also taking PROPER precautions would make the chance of pregnancy negligable.
The problem is not sex itself, it is sex without precautions of any sort. If you take sensible precautions you are stating your desire NOT to have children. Preparing for the improbable or impossible that you don't want in the first place strikes me as rather stupid.
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And blind faith in contraceptives / birth control techniques is super clever?
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
At what point does acceptance of scientific research into success rates move from "blind faith" to "acceptable level of implicit trust"? If a contraceptive is generally recognized to be 99.9% effective, and I and my girlfriend decide to trust in it to keep us from getting pregnant, is that "blind faith"?
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
Well, using your own figures, contraceptives are only effective 99.9% of the time - that means if you have sex (averaged out) twice a week for 5 years it means you could potentially have 5 kids.
The original poster had a good point - it may be an old-fashioned viewpoint, but it is still technically the correct one.
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
99.9% effective would mean 1/1000 chance of getting pregnant.
Twice a week, 52 weeks in a year, 104 chances to get pregnant.
5 years would be 520 chances. Still barely over a 50/50 split.
How exactly are you figuring 5 kids in 5 years?
Personally, I think 1 kid in five years of sex is pretty conservative.
Edit: I'll also toss out there that using pretty much ANY two methods of contraception in tandem (birth control pills and a vaginal contraceptive filter, for example), drops the chances of pregnancy considerably further.
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
520 * .01 = 5.2 (rounded down because I'm thinking of the children ;)
Not sure who's approach is better (probably yours), but either way there *is* a chance, however slim. Is it not better to be prepared for a kid (mentally, at least) and not have one, than have one and not be prepared?
I'll accept your edit, but it will never completely reach that magic 100% mark, will it?
Re: Ex-Nintendo Exec Perrin Kaplan: Bad Parents Should be
99.9% success rate of contraception is .001 chance of getting pregnant, not .01.
And while it will never reach that "magic 100% mark", that's true of a myriad things in the scientific and mathematic worlds. At some point the fraction becomes so low that it's worth accepting as "0".
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Ah - maths: my nemesis :)
Logically, no. Practically, yes.
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Nice...
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I think the implication that she said bad parents should be banned from having sex is bad journalism. I'd rather not see this story on the front page at all rather than have it here with a clearly deceptive title.
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She's not saying they should be "banned from sex", I'm pretty sure she was making a play on parents being all outraged over their kids playing games with sex and violence that weren't aimed at their age group and their parents had to have bought for them in the first place.
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How is that a deceptive title? Parents who use video games as a babysitter aren't bad parents?