Chinese Legislator Calls For Crackdown on Online Game Addiction

September 2, 2008 -

The vice-chairman of the Standing Committee of China's National People's Congress has called for closer monitoring of children who use the Internet.

As reported by Xinhua, Li Jianguo is purportedly concerned about preventing addiction. From the Xinhua story:

About 10 percent of the estimated 40 million Chinese children using the Internet were addicted, said Li, secretary-general of the top legislature, in a report on the implementation of the Law on the Protection of Juveniles since it came into force in June 2007.

 

The figures were collected from 11 provinces after a two-month survey, said Li, noting that Internet addiction was mainly caused by on-line games and a lack of supervision by the authorities. Li said the management and supervision of Internet games and Internet cafes must be strengthened, and he urged researchers to study methods to help minors avoid Internet addiction. 
 
 

GP: China, of course, is notorious for both blocking and monitoring the Internet access of its citizens - often with the technical help of American corporations like Google, Cisco, Yahoo! and Microsoft.


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Re: Chinese Legislator Calls For Crackdown on Online Game

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YES.

Now I don't have to get off my ass for the important shit anymore!

Whats next, ordering pizza from Xbox live?

Wait... I think that sounds like a good idea.

But I think voting should MAKE you get off your ass, and see outside or a second while you go vote. I mean, your picking the president of the United States of America for God's Sake... least you can do is drive down there and punch out a card.

 

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Pretty much the only thing I heard that I liked was the idea of psychologically strengthening people against psychological addiction. Other than that, we find ourselves seeing the usual stuff. I gotta say though, Nekowolf's post is pretty well said regarding what different cultures value.

 

 

-Remember kids, personal responsibility is for losers! For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007) Just to name a few...

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Okay, in attempt to bring the topic back onto the rails of China *huffs the fumes of the train's fuel* Ohhhh yeah...that's hot...

The interesting thing I find with China is the communism is allowed by the people. Sure, not everyone, of course! In fact, the younger generations want something other. But as a majority, the relationship is, you (Chinese goverment) keep us (the Chinese populace) keep us with shelter, protection, and jobs, and we'll allow you to continue to stay in your positions of power.

Between us, it really is a matter of cultural conflict. We want our rights, that is our most important value. But over there, they are willing to sacrifice their rights to gain other kinds of benefits, such as better assurance of having a job, and that their nation will continue to be industrially prosperous.

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Also, the reason we hear so many 'horror' stories is because western journalists specifically go and seek these stories out and report them and only them.

They then complain about how they are treated when, for some strange reason, the government takes exception to them coming and stirring things up to try and make the place look really, really bad and moves them along.

They also have little compunction about getting native chinese arrested for being dissidents by encouraging them to tell the reporters any little negative thing that can be twisted or selectively reported, not out of any desire to do good for the Chinese, but merely so they can justify their salaries.

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I expected to see the same old, same old when I clicked in this story. Good to see more and more people are understanding that Western news stories aren't the fact-laden criminal exposés they think they are.

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In Communist China, Internet read YOU!

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LOL, that just made my day XD

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Wow! He has a HUGE forehead!

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

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It almost looks photoshopped doesn't it!

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I'm not only the Hair Club for Men President...but I'm also a member....

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

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I don't wanna say this, but, I had a head like that, and i'm white... but then i shaved my head bald...

 

Jesus Jack Jones Thompson told me to do it!

Jesus Jack Jones Thompson loves you, so kill for his amusement so we can get money for the new "People's Temple of Jesus Jack Jones Thompson"

Re: Chinese Legislator Calls For Crackdown on Online Game

"It's HUUUGE like Sputnick!"

 

You know who else has a giant head like this? Vigo the Carpathian. And every damn character in Castle Crashers.

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It's even bigger than Ron Perlman's forehead!  And that's huge!

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

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You cannot become addicted to video games or the internet.  It's impossible.  Sure, you can play video games to the exclusion of everything else until you pass away from exhaustion but that isn't the game's fault.  It's yours.


Andrew Eisen

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Well, this discussion is segmenting far beyond what I have the time to keep track of so I'll just put my thoughts here.  I would edit my original post but I had to reboot and lost that ability.

To start, here is the definition of addiction I am using:

compulsive need for and use of a habit-forming substance (as heroin, nicotine, or alcohol) characterized by tolerance and by well-defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawal; broadly : persistent compulsive use of a substance known by the user to be harmful

That comes from Merriam-Webster.  Yes, I am aware that addiction has a broader more colloquial use to encompass that which is enjoyed in a habitual or even obsessive manner but I think we are all in agreement that we're not talking about addiction in that particular sense.

So, going by the M-W definition, you cannot be addicted to video games, gambling, or philately because there is nothing chemical to become addicted to (except perhaps the glue on the back of the stamps, in which case, you're doing it wrong!).

That leaves psychological addiction.  It isn't real.  It is recognized, certainly.  Please don't take my statement to mean that I think it's BS.  It's not.  It does exist but only in a person's head.  A person addicted to gambling has mental problems.  He/she is not actually addicted to anything.

That's why when speaking of addiction, I speak only of physical addiction because it's a mental problem otherwise and has squat to do with whatever the person is obsessing with.

On a tangentially related note, if you're going to label something addictive, then I feel you have to referring to a physical addiction and not a psychological one.  Otherwise, everything is addictive and the word loses its meaning.

 

Andrew Eisen

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It isn't real followed by It does exist. Riiiiight. Consistency, you're doing it wrong!

Also, how can it be in a persons head when one of the main factors of addiction is that they refuse to acknowledge it as an addiction. 'I can quit any time I like' etc etc. Addictions are more usually recognized in a person by other people.

Anything is potentially addictive, depending on the person.

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Okay, I could have been clearer.

Psychological addiction is a real mental condition.  However, the addiction itself is not real.

I don't follow your second question.  Psychological problems by their very definition are "all in one's head."  That doesn't prevent a second person from diagnosing the condition though.

Anything is potentially addictive, depending on the person.

As long as you mean "anything is potentially psychologically addictive..." then, yes.

 

Andrew Eisen

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Yeah, sorry Andrew but I'm going to go with a resounding; "you're wrong;" on this one. No one is blaming an inanimate object (the game.) on addiction. You can be addicted to anything really. It's not the object, it's the resulting effect on the person consuming/playing. Yes, there are some things out there that have chemical properties that addict. Cigarettes being the big one. Still, other things such as porn are recognized as an addictive agent. (poor poor David Duchoveny haha.) So you're viewpoint that it's not the games fault has no merit in this case. Think of it in terms of our favorite topic. The games don't make people violent. There are mitigating factors involved. If it's that way for violence, why not for addiction?

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"You can be addicted to anything really."

Is that your professional opinion?

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If you stop playing video games, do you go through withdrawl?  No.  Then you're not addicted.

Think of it in terms of our favorite topic. The games don't make people violent. There are mitigating factors involved. If it's that way for violence, why not for addiction?

It is the same.  Games don't cause violence.  Being violent is a choice.  Games don't force people to play them to the detriment of their own health.  That is also a choice.

 

Andrew Eisen

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As a former alcoholic...I didn't have withdrawl symptoms. Not like it was drugs or the whatnot. It was getting over the craving that your body/mind loved the feeling of removal over...well everything. Not to mention made it feel like you could go to sleep easier. Getting your mind over that initial bump for just a week, you start to feel pretty darn good. Alcohol is a choice, whether people believe it or not.

As a video-game junkie (use that term lightly). As a kid I played them till my eyes were sore. As an adult, I make a choice whether or go out with my girlfriend this evening or to play World of Warcraft with my buddies. It IS a choice. One that I can step back and say, "nah not playing the game tonight, going out with friends/girlfriend." People need to remember, their lifestyle is THEIR choice. Their responsibility. Not everyone elses.

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Saying that people can be addicted to video games does not imply that video games cause addiction.

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The point is that they do. FOR SOME PEOPLE. Who already have addictive personalities. Of course that same person, had they not been exposed to, or allowed to play video games could have become addicted to porn, gambling, cigarettes, alcohol, noodling, etc. However, it's not the inanimate objects fault. That is not an issue.

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Eisen, you're totally wrong on this one.

Ask any addict (drugs, alcohol, whatever) and they will tell you that the psychological aspect of addiction is far more powerful than the physical. Withdrawal can be very painful (in some rare cases deadly) but all in all it's mainly an inconvenience, solved by a week in detox. After withdrawal is when the real challenge begins. In fact, addictions that damage people's lives but don't have a physical withdrawal component can be even harder to recover from since the memory of the physical discomfort caused by withdrawal is not there to dissuade the addict from future use.

People become addicted to substances and experiences because of the effect it has on their brains (applies to endorphins and adrenalin).

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We don't does NOT equal 'No-one does'. You finished trying to over-simplify the issue yet, or should we keep knocking you down?

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Once again, I never said games themselves did this. The person's mental state lent itself to becomming addicted. Hence psychological addiction. And I'll reiterate; anything can be a source of addiction.

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Really? Why don't we try a mental exercise?

"You cannot become addicted to alcohol or gambling.  It's impossible.  Sure, you can drink or gamble to the exclusion of everything else until you pass away from exhaustion but that isn't the booze or the dice's fault.  It's yours."

Never thought of it that way. Thanks for clearing up all the neurological and psychological issues regarding addiction and the types of personalities that are most suspectible to it.

I'll agree that it isn't the game's or internet's "fault" but saying that addiction to anything "is impossible" is incorrect.

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I prefer the non politically correct term for "psychological addiction".  Namely: Lack of willpower.  Really, psychological addiction is a copout.

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You cannot become addicted to gambling either.

Of course, it really depends on how you define addiction.  If to you, addiction is simply a personal compulsion to do something then sure, you can be addicted to anything including gambling, video games, fishing, stamp collecting and making shadow puppets.

But then, addiction just becomes an excuse to shirk personal responsibility.  At the end of the day, gambling, the internet and video games are not substances.  You can't become addicted to them.

 

Andrew Eisen

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I guess you're blissfully ignorant of the fact that there are TWO medical types of addiction then: Physical and Mental.

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I'm well aware of the concept of mental addictions, thank you very much.

 

Andrew Eisen

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Running out of counter-points in the face of opposition are we?

Denial isn't a river in Egypt.

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Doesn't sound like it from where I'm reading. Your quick to discount addiction of MMO's, the internet, gambling etc, shows that while you may be aware of mental addiction you either don't believe it or chose not to apply it in this case because of some agenda.

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"At the end of the day, gambling, the internet and video games are not substances.  You can't become addicted to them."

 

Leave it to the experts man. You're flat out wrong. Substances are not the only thing you can become addicted to. Psychological addiction is as real as chemical.

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Psychological addiction is as real as chemical.

No, it's not.  That's what makes it a psychological addiction.

 

Andrew Eisen

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Psychological addiction is as real as chemical.

No, it's not.  That's what makes it a psychological addiction.

 

Andrew Eisen

 

Nice twist of words there. My statement was meant to convey: Psychological addiction is as recognized as chemical.

 

Better? We done splitting hairs?

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The thing is, we know exactly why drinking alcohol makes you addicted to it; the alcohol "rewires" the brain to become chemically dependent on alcohol in order to function. As for PSYCHOLOGICAL ADDICTION, however, we have theories, sure, but no hard, solid proof of what causes it.

Besides, we know a hell of a lot more about chemicals than we do about the inner workings of the mind.

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But we do have strong solid evidence that it does happen. Even many drugs are psychologically addcitive, not chemically. They create the same cravings and feelings of "real" addiction but none of the recognized physical signs.

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Well, after all that Olympic propaganda, I think they can go back to the old comunism way of life. Bravo, China.

 

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I especially like the part about "noting that Internet addiction was mainly caused by on-line games and a lack of supervision by the authorities."

Gotta love china.

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Yeah, that got a smile out of me too!


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