Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

September 3, 2008 -

While we've yet to hear of any connection between Republican VP nominee Sarah Palin and video games, the New York Times reports that she explored a book banning campaign as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska in the late 1990's:

Shortly after becoming mayor, former city officials and Wasilla residents said, Ms. Palin approached the town librarian about the possibility of banning some books, though she never followed through...

 

Ann Kilkenny, a Democrat who said she attended every City Council meeting in Ms. Palin’s first year in office, said Ms. Palin brought up the idea of banning some books at one meeting. “They were somehow morally or socially objectionable to her,” Ms. Kilkenny said.

 

The librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, pledged to “resist all efforts at censorship,” Ms. Kilkenny recalled. Ms. Palin fired Ms. Emmons shortly after taking office but changed course after residents made a strong show of support...

Politico offers this on Palin's book banning attempt:

According to the Frontiersman newspaper, Wasilla’s library director, Mary Ellen Emmons, said that Palin asked her outright if she "could live with censorship of library books.” Palin later dismissed the conversation as a “rhetorical” exercise.

Time has more:

Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor.

GP: If Sarah Palin would ban books, would she also ban video games? It's certainly a valid question.


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Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

I don't care what books Palin may have wanted to ban.  It is simply a direct violation of our Constitution.  Just the fact that she made the inquiry should disqualify her from holding high office and McCain should immediately remove her from the ticket.  After all, he served his country to defend the Constitution and will be requried to swear to do so if he is elected President.  Banning books is only a couple of steps away from burning books as the Nazis did.

As for the liberal media.  I didn't hear conservatives whining about he liberal media when Obama was being roasted for comments his pastor made.  Now they are whining about equally inappropriate comments made by Palin's pastor.  Just be consistent.

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

Dear friend,

I received your email with the attachment about Sarah Palin. While this report might be scary and threatening to some, to me it sounds like the same the kind of trash written about Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton and even Barack Obama. However, since the Clintons are no longer in the race we can leave them out. But what I wonder is why it’s okay to say that Palin is a fundamentalist Christian but not okay to ask why Obama spent twenty years in the pews of Jeremiah Wright’s intolerant church? And why is it okay to allege that Palin wants to destroy Alaska’s wildlife but not okay to ask if Obama plans to support Hamas instead of Israel? And people can can accuse Palin of racism based on rumor and hearsay but not hold Obama accountable for playing the race card, quoting Malcolm X and accusing good people, particularly the Clintons, of racism. While I may not agree with Palin’s politics, I am unmoved by the smear campaign launched against her. Please do not send me any more political emails. While this e-mail goes to great lengths to appear to be politically correct and to be doing me a favor, it’s actually savaging someone’s reputation based on shoddy evidence or outright lies. After forty years of voting for the Democratic candidate for president, I want you to know that these sexist and hateful lies against Sarah Palin you forwarded go against the reason I am a Democrat. Therefore, under no circumstance will I be voting for Obama.

Best Regards,

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

 

Really?

We're now attacking PRETEND censorship? Really?

Palin once talked about banning books and this merits a story?

Really?

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

Perhaps some here are too young to remember, but I sat through about a 3-hour presentation on C-SPAN, sponsored in part by Hillary Clinton several years ago, where they showed the most objectionable scenes from video games.  Their conclusion was that these video games were evil and were corrupting our youth.

Sarah Palin did try to get books banned.  That is a matter of public record.  She fired the librarian, but there was such an angry response from citizens in the town, that the librarian was reinstated, and no books were banned.

This *is* relevant and rather frightening.  Assuming that Sarah Palin had never read these "objectionable" books, who was she using as her trusted authority on the subject?  Interesting...

Who would she use as her trusted authority to decide which video games should be banned?

 

 

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

May I just point out that while Palin may have brought the point it, she did nothing furthur.  People also need to realize Alaska is a lot differnt than most most of us are used to.  Having lived there, many of the views are different.  It is a concervative state (with liberal tendencies)...Palin only talked about banning books because her voters wanted her too.  But back to the video game world where you all seemed concerned:  did you know that you can up to an ounce of
marijuana in Alaska and it be legal...put that in your pipe and smoke it...because I know a lot of video gamers who smoke.

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

I'm curious as to which books she specifically wanted banned...

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

Palin is red meat for Reich Wing fundies.

She doesn't let the truth get in the way of promoting hot button issues for the base.

She is a liar and a hypocrite (perfectly suited for the GOP).

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

 Broad generalizations are fun!!!  So is name-calling.  Is there like a set of talking points and fun phrases being provided to respond to valid arguments with?  It seems very uniform.  "Red meat" and "Reich wing fundies."  Nice.

Speaking of which, I love red meat.  That comment makes me hungry for a hamburger.

I'd debate the substance of your post, but I think it be like sitting in a rocking chair- lots of work, getting nowhere.

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Let's see if GP lets this comment stay...

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

I've pretty much come to ignore most things revolving her due to the completely ridculious outburst of the media in general.   I've never seen some much issue raised in more then a few days time over completely pointless things as they have with Palin.   Those this particular issue may hold some ground, much of the issues she's been ridculed for still baffle me.

1, 2, 3.

 Let me get this straight: A notoriously liberal newspaper SAYS that a DEMOCRAT SAYS that a librarian (who Palin later tried to fire- no bias there, right?) SAID that Palin SAID she wanted to censor books.  And the story came out the day before she was to give her speech accepting the VP nomination.

Yeah.  That's credible.  

I can't help but want to yell "Hearsay!"  In court, hearsay is generally inadmissible for the fact that it's so unreliable.  Hearsay is basically when someone wants to repeat a statement someone made out of court.  People like to make things up that were supposedly said before when it suits them.  Let's do a hearsay count.  Paper, 1.  The DEMOCRAT, 2.  Librarian who clearly would be pissed off at Palin for trying to fire her, 3.  Palin, 4.  Quadruple hearsay.  And it's during the GOP Convention.  Very convenient, yes?

GP's job is to report on news stories that have to do with video games and therefore with the First Amendment, and this is one, albeit rather unreliable.  So I thank you for bringing it to my attention, but I just don't buy it, absent more facts and documentation.  

I'd say I was rather disappointed at the usual conservative bashing and broad self-serving generalizations of some of the comments here, but I'm too used to them to really be surprised anymore.  Just because someone has a different world view than you doesn't automatically make them wrong or an idiot.  This may come as rather disappointing news to some of you.  Debates backed up with facts and evidence can be really enlightening for both sides, but just slinging "Fox News lover!" and "All you conservatives want to censor things!" types of arguments really don't get anything done but causing more animosity.  It's a shame we can't get past that.  It's pretty much what I hate about politics.

Re: 1, 2, 3.

Palin is strongly pro-life: http://www.smh.com.au/news/peter-hartcher/palins-prolife-code-loud-and-c...

Palin says that her daughter's pregnancy is "a private matter" to be decided "by the family": http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080904/OPINION12/80...

If this was completely coming out of nowhere, maybe you'd have a point.  But this goes to an established pattern.  This woman is ultra-conservative.

And just for fun:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sarah...

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 Okaaaaay . . . let me see if I get what your logic.  Sarah Palin is pro-life.  Therefore, Sarah Plain is ultra-conservative.  Therefore, it more likely that Sarah Palin wants to ban/ censor books.

I don't think that being conservative makes it more likely that one would censor based on content.  Have you read all the stories on this very site in which democrats are also authoring bills about video games?  On addition, a look into history will show that it is liberals, and not conservatives, that promote more big government and government control.  Of course, it's always couched in the interests of wanting to help Americans, but government interference is government interference.  

The story here is about Sarah Palin allegedly considering the ban of certain books from the public library, based on their content, which would count, I suppose is ATTEMPTED government interference (maybe SOLICITATION of banning?).  If I HAD to pick a side of the aisle that's more likely to do something that constitutes government interference, I'd say it was the liberal side.  But honestly, I don't think that violating the constitution necessarily has to be relegated to either party.  I don't care who does it.  Such actions should be fought tooth and nail no matter who commits them.  

But here, even if the story were true, no one really censored anything.  If this story is true, she asked about it, changed her mind (as well she should have, if this is true), and that was the end of it.  And there's not even another made up story about her doing anything similar since.  Of course, for reasons stated in my above post, I think this story is completely unreliable.

About the pro-life thing.  This issue seems to keep coming up in posts to this article.  I'm not really sure about the connection.  I would agree with you that it tends to be a conservative value, but I don't see what it has to do with censoring books.  

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If you really don't understand why the pro-life thing keeps coming up in articles like this, I'm not really sure what to say.  It's a historical pattern of similar beliefs and policies.  You're right about the liberals and sensorship, but you're looking at it backwards.  I don't think anyone is saying "if you favor censorship, you're conservative".  What's being said is "if you're ultra-conservative", which I think the recent matter of her daughter's pregnancy certainly supports, as does her hard-line stance on creationism in schools (I'll find a link for that too if you'd like supporting evidence, but it's all over the media), "then you're very likely to want to push your moral values on others, including censoring that which you don't agree with."

I will admit that this is based not just on the perceived track record of Sarah Palin, but also on the historical track records of others who have shared the views and policies that we do have evidence of here.  "I know how best to raise a family, and I'm going to make sure you raise yours accordingly."

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 So your logic is like I say.  She's pro life, so she's ultra conservative, and is therefore more likely to ban things.  I respectfully disagree.  

Re: 1, 2, 3.

You don't agree. We get it. Doesn't make you right.

In fact, you have every right to leave the country any time you'd like. Meantime, the majority will decide what's best.

Re: 1, 2, 3.

That...isn't even a logical response to my previous post.  Whatever.

And last time I checked, the majority of this country is against banning literature.

Re: 1, 2, 3.

Then why are you crying?

Re: 1, 2, 3.

 Okay.  That was funny.

Re: 1, 2, 3.

It's not crying, it's looking down derisively at some posters I see as being complete idiots.  But hey, the "QQ moar noob" response is always a classic, good job.

Edit: If you're referring to why I bothered posting in this topic at all, it's because getting ultra-conservative asshats into positions of power (like the VP) is extremely dangerous because it gives them a realistic opportunity to force those ultra-conservative beliefs and values on the rest of us, something they can't do when they're just a gun-shaking backwoods yahoo in their own hometown.

I assumed in 2004 that whatever the dems put up, they really couldn't lose to Bush because who the fuck could possibly want to go through four more years of that bullshit, and it turned out I had more faith in them than I should have.  It's dangerous to assume that everyone else will realize how awful an option is of their own accord, so I speak up when I see something I consider as such.  I have a severe disliking for this woman - not because she's a woman, but because of the beliefs she's professed and her political record to date.  If I say nothing and she ends up in office, I have no one to blame but myself for not trying to convince her would-be voters that she's a bad choice (even if they continue to disagree with me and support her).

Re: 1, 2, 3.

"It's not crying, it's looking down derisively at some posters I see as being complete idiots."

Welcome to liberalism.

Re: 1, 2, 3.

I have a gift for you.  It's a black kettle.  Enjoy.

Re: 1, 2, 3.

You're a Democrat, right? So I should expect a tax increase for this "gift", then...

Re: 1, 2, 3.

Well, I think you summed things up very nicely.

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

I have to agree with some of the other posters on here that there is a difference between banning or restricting Free Speech media and materials between private individuals, entities and businesses, and the removal of ojectionable media (God i hate that term though as any form of free speech could be seen as objectionable in somebodies eyes) from a public (read: taxpayer's funded) enitity.

On the other hand though, i realize that for some low income people, the public square is the only place where they can get ahold Free Speech materials they otherwise couldn't afford or get ahold of. So i'm stuck on this issue.

Also people please don't bring up the "Think of the children" bullcrap. The fact of the matter is it is the responsibility of the parents to keep their children away from Free Speech media they find objectionable whether it be the Holy Bible, Harry Potter novels, Charles Darwin's Origin of the Species, Scarface movie, GTA video game, 50 Cent CD. Allowing the government to take over even under the guise of helping parents sets a dangerous presedent to fundamental rights. (P.S. - even people under magically arbitrary age limits (minors) have First amendment rights from government censorship and rightfully so).

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

And as taxpayers, one method of protecting our children is to elect people who will take action based on the moral majority.

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

Luckily, one tenet of the creation of our government was to protect minority views.

"Protecting our children" is a meaningless phrase. There's "your children" and "my children." You're free to act how you want with your children, but you're not free to tell me how to raise mine.

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

Well, if you want to let your children have access to objectionable material, you can always let them have free roam on the internet or watch HBO late at night. I would like for my children to learn sex, drugs, and violence the way I see fit.
So it works both ways.

Tell you what: we'll let the libraries stock whatever they want, and we'll start teaching Creationism in school. If I don't like it, I'll keep my kids from the library. If you don't like it, you can homeschool your kids. Deal?

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

That's a false analogy.

I didn't say how I would want to educate my children about "objectionable" material. You don't get to decide what is objectionable for my children. I decide that.

The presence of creationism and religion in schools are completely different arguments, as are reasons why they would or wouldn't belong there.

 

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

Actually, the majority decides.

You just whine about the decision.

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

Are you kidding? :) In the U.S., the majority doesn't decide- that's why we have things like the Bill of Rights and concepts like individual inalienable rights. 

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

Funny, how the majority decided to remove religion from schools, and it's the conservative bible-thumpers who whine about it.

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

The only whining I hear here is you crying about books that haven't even been banned.

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

No deal. Creationism is religion. We don't teach religion in public schools. Send your kid to Catholic school if you want them to learn religion, or to your local madrassa.

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

You're missing an important detail.  We do teach religion in schools, but we don't teach it as fact.  When I took my Global Studies courses, we learned about the basics of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, but they were simply presented as aspects of different cultures.  It's no different than learning about Egyptian or Greek mythology when studying those cultures; it helps us understand them.

I don't think children should be taught that God created the world and everything in it in six days and then rested for a day.   I think it's okay to teach them that the Christian faith says this.  We should also be teaching them the theory of evolution as well.  Let them decide for themselves after being given all the different viewpoints and supporting evidence (where applicable).

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

There are issues with that approach.

People will wildly differ on what they accept as evidence based on belief. For example, the idea that evolution is controversial in science is false. However, the manufactured controversy from religous groups- primarily Intelligent Design proponents and creationist groups such as the Discovery Institute- will supply scientifically discredited evidence wearing the trappings of science to further their arguments. There's no legitimate educational reason for teaching that discredited evidence.

"Decide for themselves" and "teach the controversy" arguments generally fall into that category. There are more reasons, but there are many resources to find out about them.

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

I think it requires an executive decision, honestly.  Teach evolution and the reasons it is supported.  Third-rate pseudo-scientific "evidence" refuting it with the flimsiest and most transparent of arguments really doesn't need to be included to provide a robust education about the different secular and religious views of creationism/evolution.

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

Teaching creationism objectively, as the theory purported by some religious views, alongside evolution, would not necessarily be a bad thing, in my opinion.  Of course just teaching Creationism as you suggested is not remotely analogous to banning books, so nice strawman.

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

Your demiurgic vernacular is admittedly redoubtable; however, despite your attempts to inculcate, the point is moot. Free speech is free speech.

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

(Sorry, I'll try it without inspiring you to call up dictionary.com this time.)

Um...no?  You objected to people calling her out for trying to ban books (against free speech), then suggest teaching Creationism in schools (and let's not even pretend you didn't mean "instead of evolution" - also against free speech), and then object to my suggestion that we could teach BOTH viewpoints and let the children decide based on all the facts given?

And you're trying to argue FOR free speech in this?

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

I see you're familiar with that site. How surprising.

While you're there, why not look up "sarcasm". It will do you worlds of good to learn that word, especially when reading the following line:

Global Studies is such an important and impressive subject for you to have learned, and it no doubt makes you a superior person.

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

Are you shitting me?  "Free speech is free speech" was sarcasm, right?  Yeah, quality argument.  Please come back when you have something to contribute...I'm guessing that most of the "Anonymous" comments in this thread, which are indeed contributing nothing of value or substance, are coming from the same person.

As for reading my mention of Global Studies as some kind of insult or suggested point of superiority...get a grip.  Self conscious much?  It's a high school class that EVERYONE takes, it just happens to be where I remember religious instruction being part of a secular curriculum.

Also, do us all a favor and sign in so we have a name to attach to the ignorant spewing, please?

Edit: Let me save you some time.  I know the library/creationism in school thing was sarcasm.  It had to be, because it was a completely illogic, irrelevant strawman argument.  It has nothing to do with the actual substance of people's objections to the very notion of a VP candidate who is ultra-conservative and potentially interested in banning literature.

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

You suck cock.

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

And what is it that the children need protection from. That is the question. When it comes down to approriateness or suitability (which is determined by each individual parent), it should be the sole responsibility of the individual parents in question. When there is no showing of actual harm (of which there is none beyond what some extremely weak, inconsistant and incredibly flawed and biased psuedoscientific studies claim) there is no need for government involvement.

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

If the majority does not agree, then nothing happens. If the majority agrees, then measures are taken.

Hence why Houston is banning smoking in public this year.

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

One of the great things about living in a democracy is that the views of the minority are protected from the tyranny of the majority. Hence the provision of freedom of speech and the other limits placed on the government in the consistution.

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Banning books from one type of facility is not affecting Free Speech, especially if those books are FICTION.

No one even knows what kind of books she opposed.

The books are still available and still published, and would be even if her ban was in effect; you just couldn't get them at a library.

Big deal.

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

Whether or not a book, movie or other form of Free Speech media is fictional or not doesn't disqualify it from Free Speech protection or make it lesser Free Speech under the first amendment. The GTA video games are just as much of Free Speech under the First amendment as the Holy Bible is. If it has the ability to express ideas, information, messages, opinions and viewpoints whether or not they're considered negative, positive, good or bad, right or wrong, objectionable or not it is still Free Speech and therefore protected from government regulation and censorship. If people don't like the content or it or are offended by it's viewpoints and ideals, they can ignore it and choose not to read, watch, play or listen to it. That's what freedom is all about.

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And they can also choose to elect a person who will remove the offensive material from public access, similar to the censoring of advertisements and public access TV and radio.

Re: Republican VP Choice Sarah Palin Tried to Ban Books

It does seem troubling that someone who is mighty close to being sworn in to defend the US Constitution, does not support the 1st amendment's freedom of speech right when it happens to be morally objectionable to her point of view.

I like John McCain a lot, I think he is one of the few people in Congress who understands how to break through gridlock and get things accomplished  (despite his anti-media stance, so does Lieberman)... but his pick for VP just baffles me.  If the GOP needed to pander to the religious branch, they could have gone with Huckabee, who might want to ban smoking, abortions, and gay marriage, but to my knowledge didn't try to ban any books.  Plus, I hear he can rock a mean solo on Guitar Hero.   Then again, didn't he once say something about amending the Constitution to mention God instead of just We The People?

 
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