Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

September 5, 2008 -

Police in Watertown, Wisconsin believe that an attempt to imitate Halo may have played a role in the death of an 11-year-old boy from an accidental gunshot.

As reported by the Watertown Daily Times, Joshua Nimm apparently took the day off from school to do some gaming:

[Police] said it appeared... that after playing a combat video game called “Halo,” Nimm took the gun and tried to recreate some of the things that had occurred in the game. With an automatic rifle, [Sgt.] Lee said there can sometimes be confusion over whether it contains a magazine or not, and this confusion likely led to Nimm's death.

 

“He took the magazine out and forgot to eject a round that was in the chamber. He probably thought the gun was unloaded,” Lee said.

 


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Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

One gun locked up in the mayor's office? Umm, no? The original Militia Act, passed by the same Congress which authored the Bill of Rights required all men to own a rifle, and/or a pair of pistols (milita officers/cavalry carried two or more in their belt because reloading them took too long). Even the four dissenting Justices in DC v. Heller agreed the Amendment protected an individual right; they just felt it didn't include hadnguns.

Laughable? Did you read what I wrote? An amendment to repeal the Second, as per Article 5, requires two thirds of the States to ratify. This is not an easy task.

Comedy? Err, just seven months ago, Montana passed a resolution declaring that their entrance into the United States would be null and void if DC v. Heller went the other way. Had Justice Kennedy sided with Stevens, Montana's secession would have been triggered. Three or four other States would have likely followed within 24 hours.

As for Kurt Kobain, that was kind of my point. :p Shooting oneself in the head with a rifle takes some effort. Especially for an 11-year-old who would have to stretch to reach the trigger from the pointy end.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

2 things wrong with your argument:

1. Background checks are made when you buy any firearm.  Its called NICS, look it up.

2.So, the second amendment was wrong, but every other amendment made back then is still infallible?  Firearms are the only way that the free people can stop a fascist government, and they should always be kept by free and law abiding citizens.

The second amendment will always be important.  What if 20 years from now we get a fascist ruler who decides that we shouldn't own weapons, should all goose step along to his beat, and should kill off a group of people?  How will you make a change, yelling at someone?

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

1.  Background checks do not take into account mental health.

2.  For a fascist government to take control it would need to have the full support of it's army.  If this is the case, do you honestly think that your rifle is a match for a tank?  The 2nd Amendment was entered for a period in time where the states were united under truce and suspicion; it really isn't that relevent in today's society.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

1.  Background checks do take into effect mental health.  If you've been forced into mental treatment, you can't own a firearm.

2. You know, you should ask the Irish that question.  The 2nd amendment will always be relevant, and if you disagree you're just plain wrong.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

I don't feel sorry in the slightest for the family losing their son. I DO feel sorry for the kid though. His parents deserve every ounce of suffering they get for being STUPID enough to leave a gun where an 11 year old could acquire it, and NOT teaching the kid about gun safety. it's basic knowledge that guns should NOT be treated like toys, and even if a magazine has been removed that there could still be one in the chamber, and you should treat EVERY gun as loaded and dangerous.


If his parents are irresponsible enough to take care of a gun AND a child properly, they deserve to have the book thrown at 'em for their sheer negligence that caused their kid to die. I hope they get thrown in jail.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

i feel for the famly losing there son and all but they should have had the gun lock up. It should have been empty and what could be better have the ammo  somewhere else so you know it no where need the gun. dont give me that bull about procting your seft, you dont need to shot a robber wtih a 22 calber rilfe in your house.

 

any way im sry for the famly loss but im glad the media not blaming it on halo unlike gun safety.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

First off, learn to speak english. Second, a .22 can definatly be used for self defence. If there is a robber in my house, I will definatly kill or incapacitate him using ANY means necessary. If there's a .22 near me and not a pistol, then I'll use the .22

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

halo? what gta blamed too much?

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

As terrible as this is, I do have to wonder what on earth anyone needs an automatic rifle for in suburban Wisconsin, much less in reach of a child...

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

It wasn't an automatic rifle, it was a semi-automatic .22

 

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Well, then why does he have a semi-automatic in the first place?

 

The most disturbing thing about this is that no one seems to have a problem with teaching 11 year olds how to use semi-automatic weapons...

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

No, you have a problem with someone teaching an 11 to use any type of weapon.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

It's a semi automatic .22.  That's a very common rifle.  When I was little, that was the second thing I ever shot, and I shot it at the age of 6.

Why does he have a semi-automatic?  Why do I?  Why shouldn't I take my son and wife shooting with me?  

Your argument lacks logic.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

He's the type of person that would pass unconstitutional legislation in the US on guns...

I agree with you, before I ever shot a gun, since I was about 7, my dad hammered all the gun-rules into me. He wouldn't let me hold a gun until I had all the gun safety rules lodged in my head. He handed me a .45 when I was 10 or so, and I didn't check the chamber for a round, and he took it away.

We hardly ever got out to the range, just because there was never a real or want for it, but I still got all the gun rules in my head.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

In Halo you unload the gun before shooting?

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

he unloaded it because he didn't want to fire any rounds into anyone. If only he had remembered to remove the bullet from the chamber...

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岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

And who stores a gun with a round in the chamber? An idiot who knows nothing about gun safety. All of the evidence of this article seems to point to the fact that the parents could not teach the child gun safety because they had no fraggin' idea what it is.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

“He took the magazine out and forgot to eject a round that was in the chamber. He probably thought the gun was unloaded,” Lee said.

How is this Halo's fault?  What did Master Chief give this boy permission to play with the gun?

 

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Cue Jack Thompson rant in 3... 2... 1...

Damn it all...

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Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

How did an 11 year old boy get hold of a loaded assault rifle? If the family has reason to have the rifle, why not put it in a more secure place? Lock the trigger? Keep it unloaded, and store the ammunition in a secure place? Why was no one ensuring the kid was at school? If the kid for some whacky reason is allowed to have access to the gun, why wasn't he taught proper handling?

Gah. A case of a kid thinking guns are fun. It's been happening for a while. When will parents learn their lesson about storing guns?

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

It wasn't an assault rifle, it was a semi-automatic .22

Read the article.

Of course, the family should have secured the rifle when they weren't around, that's just common sense.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Thankyou, I've read the article. I had forgotten what variety of weapon it was when I had finished and come back to GP to make a post. I also agree that it is common sense to keep the gun locked away. It infuriates me that very few people use it, including the owner of the weapon.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Amen.  When I'm not home, all my weapons are locked up, and my dog is my home defense.  When I come home, I take out my pistol, and it becomes the preferred method. 

You don't leave weapons lying around unlocked. 
Another thing that disturbed me: why was there a round in the chamber?

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

That's a point that has been really getting on my nerves. When you load a weapon, or at least a semi-auto, don't you have to manually chamber the first round? If I'm right, it means that either the weapon was not only kept loaded but also with the first round chambered, or the kid himself managed to chamber the first round. Help me out here.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

To unload it though all you have to do (if you're an idiot and not one for gun safety) is take out the mag.  Now, if he reinserted the mag and then pulled back on the action, it would seem like this was suicide, not an accident.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

My initial thought is "goddammit."

My current thought is "Darwinism".

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Reading that article I get no sense that Halo is being blamed at all, the only reason it is mentioned at all is to give background on why the kid was skipping school. I think some posters here have been a tad too quick on the defensive.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

There's really not that much of a mention of the game besides the one speculation that the kid tried to "recreate" it.

Ya know what, to be honest, this kind of thing is going to happen. It's not particularly about video games or the prejudices some people have towards them: this is about "stuff that happens when people own guns".

It just reminds me of my favorite joke of the summer: What does a redneck say before he dies?

"Watch this!"

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

That's more Darwin Award territory with that comment. Much more likely.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Yeah, well, I thought about a Darwin Award when I first read the article. Them I remembered there's a starting age to win said award (16). So no award.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

“He took the magazine out and forgot to eject a round that was in the chamber. He probably thought the gun was unloaded,” Lee said.

And THAT will be the line that our favorite moron will ignore completely.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

I second (or twentieth?) the parents are to blame sentiment.

1. Rifle not locked in safe.

2. Magazine and ammo not locked in safe.

3. No trigger lock.

4. If the kid had indeed been shooting several times already, WTF happened to teaching gun safety?  Did he not learn how to eject the mag, check the chamber, enable the safety, and finally not to aim it at anyone, ever?

These parents have no one to blame but themselves.

 

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Just read the full article, apparently he killed himself with a .22 caliber rifle, not an assault rifle.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Heh, just commented your previous comment, sorry for the correction.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

The kind of note that Jack Thompson just loves... Maybe the boy just can´t bare that he couldn´t win on Xbox Live, but I think this is very stretched by media and the police.

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Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

I guess no one read the actual article.  It never blamed Halo for the death, it just mentioned that he was playing the game prior to the accident.  If anything, the article makes much more of a deal about gun safety than about the video game connection.  They're not idiots.  It's a kid who's parents bought him a .22 rifle to do practice shots with, but didn't lock it up when it was at home.

And for all of you poo-pooing about gun laws and automatic weapons, it probably wasn't an actual automatic.  The media commonly calls "semi-automatics" just "automatics."  If it was an automatic, you'd have to have a Federal liscence that costs a buttload of money, background checks by the FBI, AND frequent renewal fees.  Even gun-shows, notorious for skirting the background check laws, wouldn't mess with selling full automatics to the unliscenced (well, most won't, they'd kick you out if they caught you, they don't need that kind of heat).  A full automatic puts you on an alert list as a potential threat to national security.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Thank you sir, I was getting so pissed that the idiots up there were claiming that he had an automatic rifle.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

If you buy your 11 year old a ".22 to do practice shots with", you shouldn't be breeding....

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Automatic weapons (the ones that are transferrable, anyway) require a 200 dollar tax stamp and a thorough background check for transfer.  The cheapest automatic weapon I ever saw was a Mac-10, for the price of 1500USD or 2300USD with 2 silencers and a few extra mags, and that is by far the cheapest. 

Military Rifles (M14, M16, M4, MP5, G3, G36, AK47/74 et al) cost far more than that.  The cheapest I've seen was in the 3000 dollar range, all the way up to the 20000 dollar range.  The people who manage to get these legally have a far lower crime rate than any other group in America, and also tend to be able to afford a safe or a guncage for their weapons, instead of leaving them around the house like a jackass.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Not. An. Automatic. Weapon.

 

A. .22. Rifle.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

I realize.  I was talking about how difficult it is to get an actual automatic.

It was a .22 semiauto.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

 Yeah, I agree. I would say that having a fixed magazine forces people to be at least a little more careful, but regardless these folks were doing wrong by their kid all around.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Are you retarded?  Having a fixed magazine doesn't encourage safety anymore than a detachable magazine or a belt-fed system.

Teaching gun safety instead of pushing idiotic gun control laws encourages safety, not fixed magazines.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

I disagree with you about gun control laws being idiotic (I still feel there is no logical reason for owning an automatic rifle for instance) but as long as you are going to own guns, being made to go on a gun safety course would be a very sound plan.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

I'm of two minds on this. 

I believe very much that gun safety is important.  I was taught it by my dad, him by his dad, and I taught it to my son.  I drilled it into him, so that now when we go shooting before he does anything he checks the chamber of whatever we're shooting. 

Should everyone go to a safety course?  Not really, no.  There are plenty of people who know about gun safety to start with, like myself.  But if its your first firearm, I don't see a problem with making you go to a course (an NRA sponsored course, even better). 

As for gun control laws, they're pretty fucking stupid.  The people who legally own automatic rifles commit have the one of the lowest crime rates the nation.  The people with CCW's have one of the lowest crime rates in the nation.  Arbitrarily deciding what I can and can't own, denying me my constitutional right to a firearm, that's idiotic.

PS: I own 2 automatic rifles.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

It's not the people who own them I am concerned about so much as those that own them and fail to keep them secured and locked up away from those that might steal them.  If you look at the figures, theres a significant quantity of guns used for murders and other crimes that are stolen weapons.  If your 11 year old son isn't havign trouble grabbing hold of one, I imagine they aren't secured against those who are willing to smash up the place looking for something.

Your constitutional right is only your right because someone amended the constitution for it to happen; why can't it be amended again exactly?

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

@Chuma

96% of criminals who commit murder use stolen weapons.

As for the constitution being amendable, you're right.  We should amend it so we can't own firearms, and then we should amend it so you can't speak your mind.  And so you have to quarter troops in your home.

Can you see that slippery slope?

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Oops, I guess a couple people read it.  ^_^

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Its a good thing that Dennis acknowledged the fact that the game was only mentioned, and not blamed. Sadly, there is a good chance that someone will blame this on the game. Its only a matter of time.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Where is Jack when you need some lulz off these?

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