In Germany, Politician Urges Ban on "Killer Games" as Gaming Mag Fights Back

September 8, 2008 -

Although last week's report of a Dead Space ban may be spurious, violent video games continue to come under fire in Germany.

GamePolitics has heard from several European gamers who have cited anti-game comments made by Bavarian Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann (left) to Zeit Online. Herrmann, a member of the conservative Christian Social Union (CSU), refers to violent games as Killerspiele (killer games). Big thanks to ECA forum member felix-reichert who has very graciously provided a translation of the interview:

ZEIT ONLINE: Mr. Herrmann, which "Killergames" have you played to come to the belief that they must be banned?

Joachim Herrmann: I personally don't play, but I have watched them [being played] extensively. I am shocked how the player is driven towards gruesome violence. He, so to speak, becomes a criminal himself and kills others to obtain money or to collect points. The more gruesome the killing the higher the score. We don't need something like this. Such games are unbearable.

ZEIT ONLINE: Obviously you are talking about the GTA-Series. The most recent GTA is rated 18. Why shouldn't adults be allowed to play these games?

Herrmann: From a cinema-owner I can expect that he actually only lets people over 18 years in. But if we're talking about Computer games its different. If an 18-year-old has a game, the next day he'll pass it to 17-, 16- and 15-year-olds. I don't believe that there's an entitlement for these games in our liberal society. The protection of children and the youth must be a priority. Its not about the playing [of these games] alone. There are numerous studies that explicitly prove: the more intensive teenagers engage themselves in these games, the higher the danger of them imitating this [behavior] in reality.

ZEIT ONLINE: Media-scientists haven't found common ground on that issue, though.

Herrmann: The criminologist Christian Pfeiffer provided corresponding evidence from his studies at our expert-round in Berlin. Of course not every player becomes a violent criminal. But even if games only cause a rise of a certain percentage in youth-violence it is reason enough to outlaw them. In other fields we also have clear bans, I'm thinking of child pornography.

ZEIT ONLINE: Still, the problem isn't that these games exist, but that children can still acquire them in spite of the German age-restrictions.

Herrmann: That is one of the problems. But the bigger the danger of such games getting to the hands of children and teenagers the more the state has to intervene. It is also forbidden for everyone to trivialize the crimes of the national-socialists.

ZEIT ONLINE:  However the [indexing] that exists today is in fact equivalent to a ban. For example indexed games can't be advertised.

Herrmann: That's not enough. Games that glorify brutal violence must generally be banned in penal law.

ZEIT ONLINE: The penal law already outlaws glorification of violence. A Bavarian draft for a new paragraph didn't find consent in Bundestag [German parliament, a bit similar to the House of Reps]. Also after six years of discussion the youth-protection-law was changed – and some say it wasn't even tightened. Do you really think a ban is possible?

Herrmann: We won't peg away at that, we want to continue this discussion. With the totally insufficient changes of the youth-protection-law this isn't concluded for us.

ZEIT ONLINE: The games-industry would call such a ban unconstitutional.

Herrmann: I'm very much hoping for a change of opinion there. Even today there are manufacturers that completely abandon the violence field. They want to make intelligent games, educational games, and many other fascinating things.

ZEIT ONLINE: But a number of manufacturers earn their money with games containing violence.

Herrmann: There's massive pressure from U.S. manufacturers. But we also do not have a different weapons law than America for no reason – over here not everybody can walk around at will with a firearm. We mustn't let certain aberrations of American society gain influence here.

GP readers Soldat Louis and David Ziegler report that in the wake of the Zeit Online interview, German magazine PC Games called on gamers to conduct a massive mail campaign to CSU leadership by way of protesting Herrmann's implication that violent game players are potential killers. The CSU responded with a press release calling for an urgent ban, and dismissed the gamer protest.

Apparently some younger officials of the CSU and other parties have voiced opposition to Herrmann's proposed violent game ban, which is an interesting development.

 


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Re: In Germany, Politician Urges Ban on "Killer Games" as

Yes you are a whacko, and i'll tell you why:

1.  Every murder that makes the news always has something to do with video games, at least in your little world

2.  You think that everyone who does not agree with you is somehow part of a massive conspiracy to discredit you, when in reality, you're doing a pretty good job of that by yourself.

3.  For some reason, you thought that walking out of your own disbarment hearing would get you aquitted

4.  Most of your court submissions consist of random pictures too numerous to post here, none of which have any bearing whatsoever on the case.

5.  You've broken fax machines before by spamming them so much

Re: In Germany, Politician Urges Ban on "Killer Games" as

There's one i forgot to mention:

6. A couple months ago, the US marshals paid you a visit because you compared yourself to terrorists, saying that your mistake was not killing hundreds of people to get the word out.  Then you turned around and said that the US marshals were part of "T3H C0N$P1R@CY"

Re: In Germany, Politician Urges Ban on "Killer Games" as

"Oh noes, the police are just part of a giant conspiracy to stop my drug sales on the street!"

Re: In Germany, Politician Urges Ban on "Killer Games" as

Didn't he also send the Bar a picture of a bombed out building and said it owdl look liek that, thinkign adding "figuratively" would somehow make it not seem like a threat?

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Yeah, but the one i mentioned actually brought police attention to him, so i chose that one :P

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Perfect example is being on TV not even a day after the Vteh massacre sayign the shooter was a gamer. Before even a body coutn was given and I bet even before the families got the news,

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This was even before the killer was identified. At this point of uncertainty, the killer may as well be a stranger from outside the campus, or a professor flipping out on people (crazy disgruntled employee).

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Yes, it is censorship, however, if the people who did say they wanted it knew anything about what they were being asked about[My guess is they didn't. I know I was never personally included in such a survey] They know this woudl lead to movies, television, music, and all other forms of media.

 

Also, obviously they didn't ask 60% of ALL American,s as I was never asked if I wanted the government to intervene, which would have been moot anyway as I don't

Re: In Germany, Politician Urges Ban on "Killer Games" as

Actually, what is most interesting is that Hermmann completely dominates this give-and-take. He is right, of course, in noting that since the video game industry is not serious about not selling 18 and over games to minors, then, fine, Germany will ban them outright.

That is going to be the consequence of an industry that substantially ignores its own age ratings.  I have been predicting that for nine years now, and it looks like it is eventually going to come to pass.  It may take one more massacre, and then, presto, the calls for bans on the games outright will be deafening.

Don't blame me when that happens.  I warned all of you.  Hell, I warned the nitwit Strauss Zelnick.  Jack Thompson

 

 

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[Patrick Stewart voice]

From this day forth all lavatories in the kingdom will henceforth be named "Johns"

And, from this day forth, male masturbation will henceforth be named "Jacking off"

[/Patrick Stewart voice]

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: In Germany, Politician Urges Ban on "Killer Games" as

The VIdeo game industry has done everything it can do. They cannot force every lazy store clerk and ignorant parent to follow the ESRB labels. They have posted the information. They have advertised the information. That is all the games industry needs to do.

IF you have a problem with a lazy Best Buy employee selling your "15" year old son a copy of GTA, then don't shop at Best Buy. Complain to Best Buy. Once the game is at Best Buy the situation is out of the games industry's hands.

Also, the FTC has said that credit cards are a valid form of Age verification for online sales. It was pointed out to you and you still ignore it.

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"From a cinema-owner I can expect that he actually only lets people over 18 years in. But if we're talking about Computer games its different. If an 18-year-old has a game, the next day he'll pass it to 17-, 16- and 15-year-olds."

READ you nitwit Jack Thompson.

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Did already, and guess what,. I don't see that happening. I don't know of ANY 18 year old who would spend 50 to 60 dollars or ANY hard earned money on a game and simply give it away.

Re: In Germany, Politician Urges Ban on "Killer Games" as

I was talking TO Jack Thompson! I was telling HIM to read and to realize it's not an issue of SELLING the game. In other words it's not the fault of the game developers. Miscomunication is key as of late isn't it?

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It may have been a translation issue, but I don't think he meant to just give it away. He probably meant that an 18 year old would let younger kids play his copy.

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I think, he referred to piracy (and not the kind with parrots and eye-patches).

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True, but it doesn't help that case, at all.

Owning an M rated game doesn't automatically mean they'll let a minor play it. It's like he wants to ban cars because one MIGHT crash and kill someone.

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..... Just How hard is it for you to grasp a simple concept.

The game industry itself, developers and whatnot, are not responsible for the sale of their product. That is the retail end, and more often than not, a retail clerk who sells a game to a minor with no parent present is terminated and their boss is written up. Gamestop has that policy, Wal Mart has that policy, Best Buy has that policy. Hell ,the worst offender is Target, and as far as I know hardly anyone shops there anymore.

The game industry merely makes the product, the retail industry is what sells it, and hardly have I ever seen the ratings ignored. If a parent doesn't notice the posters that are literally almost everywhere in Gamestope and Wal Mart that advise them on game rating,s how is the parent still absolved of responsibility?

Of course you endorse sexual abuse of children so I guess absolvign parents of any responsibility at all is in your best interest.

And if the ratings are being ignored, how come the ratings are on both sides of the packaging, on the manual and disc itself, ANd o nthe game startup screen, sometimes with a voice reminding you of the rating, and posters in the stores ,yet on a package for a DVD of say, Hostel, I practically need a magnifying glass or a UV light to find the rating on those boxes?

Oh, sorry, I forgot, your brain can't handle all these concept.s Sorry if I gave you a migraine.

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I was carded, when I tried to buy Quake back in the day and had to talk my parents around to have them buy it - and back then it would have been legal to just sell me the thing. This isn't even that big of a problem in the US, and selling an M-rated game to some kid in the US doesn't get you a fine of up to 50000€.

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Nail on the head right there.  It seems to be an issue most people attacking games have.  They tend to not realize that developers merely make the games and sell them to stores.  After that it's the retailers that need to monitor the ratings.

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Of course you're right, JT, that's why you're about to be disbarred permanently in less than 2 weeks right? (tick tock)

Oh but of course, your disbarment is just another part of "T3H C0N$P1R@CY" against you, just like GP, Janet Reno, The Florida Bar, every gamer ever, Kotaku, Penny Arcade, President Bush, Judge Tunis, the US marshals, and everyone who's ever even hinted that your views might possibly COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY BOGUS. Amirite?

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He, so to speak, becomes a criminal himself and kills others to obtain money or to collect points.

To collect points...

collect points...

points...

points...

Is this starting to tick anyone else off as much as me? It's obvious this guy doesnt know what he's talking about, there havent been points in a shooter since about 1999 (and no, The Club sucked, so it doesnt count)

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Im not even going to write a long-winded argument, this guy is right-wing, Christian, and German. His opinion simply doesnt matter. He is part of a dying breed....the old-fashioned Christian right-wing technophobes. Bring on the geek revolutions!

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I would say that Jack-o the Wacko should move to Bavaria to be with this like minded spirit, except I think he would take offense to the legal prostitution in Germany, not to mention there are a few anti-Nazi laws that ban people like Thompson right off.

 

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Did this son of a bitch just place violent video games in the same context as child pornography?  I can't believe the interviewer didn't respond to that!

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Here's the other side of the PC zero thought coin, Zero thought Moralisim,  you already make it annoying for mature games to be sold why not make it clearer that blacklisted games can not be sold or displayed  to minors instead of authoritarian bans that bans the right of a adult to behave as they chose to in a reasonable manner.

instead of behaving like adults they are acting like children...ah moralists...gotta love them...

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The UN needs to step in here and punish Germany

As I've said before, this is a human rights issue to me. People should be allowed to entertain themselves however they wish unless it poses a danger to themselves or others. This guy needs to be fined, deported, imprisoned, heck something needs to be done to make an example out of this guy. Tell politicians that this crap will not be tolerated.

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Re: The UN needs to step in here and punish Germany

"People should be allowed to entertain themselves however they wish unless it poses a danger to themselves or others."

So... you basicaly want to ban every kind of sport, motor racing, skydiving, hunting, drinking alcohol, eating junk food or having unprotected sex, etc.?

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What can be said that hasn't been said a million times in defense of the medium of video games and pointing out the obvious holes in the "the children can get their hands on this stuff" reasoning? Amongst all his other flawed reasons of course. It's like talking to brick walls when it comes to these types of people.

By the by, is it just me or does this guy look like a German version of Jack Thompson?

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"By the by, is it just me or does this guy look like a German version of Jack Thompson?"

It's not just you. I was thinking the same thing.

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Re: In Germany, Politician Urges Ban on "Killer Games" as

Same here. He even has a bad haircut.

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While I disagree with his conclusion, Herrman produces one of the most sound arguments for banning video games, and it's a shame to see it be widely ignored, or bastardized in any attempt to counter it. The only thing I really take issue with is his Movie theatre analogy, as he doesn't recognize that the same issues of an adult buying games and eventually them getting to children apply to any item children are prohibited from purchase.

Also, on the notion of how other nations view America as a bunch of gun toting maniacs, what do you expect? Guns play a bigger role in our society than any other western Nation. It's true that we don't all own guns, but we make such a big huff about it that it's just about as fair as assuming an Englishman drinks tea.

 

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yea let me go get my  glock and my assult rifle and walk down the park ...uhh i hate people who this that we all carry guys in the USA no we dont if you dont  have a lincence you get put in jail. heck even if you have a gun lincence you need one to carry one which is hard to get i know my buddy being trying to get one forever. took him a couple weeks even to find a forum to sigh up for it. plus they get a serial for that gun that means if they find that gun a crime. they can look you up and put you in the slammer before anyone knows it. so i say gun policy works very well not all the time since some people are not respoble enough to lock up their weapons.

Thanks

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To avoid derailing the topic, I'll just say "..." to our gun policies working.

Re: In Germany, Politician Urges Ban on "Killer Games" as

What sound argument?  All the guy did was list your usual "top 10" list of why video games are the Devil.

1 - Studies have shown video games cause violent behavior in teens (while he at leasts cites the name of the person that did a study on it, I can't seem to find the study so I havn't a clue what it actually says)

2 - Video games that show brutal violence should be banned outright because they are violent

3 - Adults shouldn't be allowed to have the violent video games 'cause kids will eventually get them (might as well ban guns, alcohol, cigarettes, violent movies, provocative books, porn, etc. while you're at if you think this is a sound argument)

4 - Oh, will someone think of the children?!

5 - Violent video games reward players points for committing violent acts in the game (often worded to make it seem that the more violent/heinous the act, the more points the player gets)

6 - Teenagers are so stupid/impressionable that they will attempt to act out anything they see in the game (not only are statements like this insulting to teenagers, who often aren't the out-of-control savages most people think they are, but it is also disproven by simply looking at the numbers ie number of copies of GTA sold vs crimes that maybe-kinda-sorta were influenced by it)

I mean, seriously, where does this guy produce a "sound argument" for his stance?

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1) He was fair on that one.

2) Given the ban mentioned ban on glorification of violence this follows naturally.

3) I take issue with his analogy.

4) That's the whole reason there's a debate.

5) I don't recall the last time I scored in a DeathMatch by using diplomacy.

6) The research is disputed. It's undisputed that youth are impressionable, but it's widely debated how impressionable they really are.

The most important thing he said is :

 "But even if games only cause a rise of a certain percentage in youth-violence it is reason enough to outlaw them. In other fields we also have clear bans, I'm thinking of child pornography."

While I disagree with him, his logic is sound. Moreover he recognizes constitutional issues and is clear about the issue being interactive violence and not video games in general. It does detract from his argument that he used a bad analogy, but his stance is otherwise clear and fair. While I disagree with him, he's reasonable.

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1) He wasn't. Pfeiffer does "research" by starting with the conclusion, and then trying to manufacture enough evidence to support it.

2) You have to understand one thing: Glorifying violence is enough for a ban in Germany already. He want's to ban even more stuff. We're not talking about introducing laws, where there are none. We're talking about taking one of the most stringent set of laws of any democratic country and change it to censor even more.

3) Take issue all you want, but he's right. If you want to completely ban one thing solely because some kid might get his hands on it, you might ban everything else just as well, from cigarettes to cars.

4) No comment on this one.

5) I don't recall the last time my score in a deathmatch depended on the way I shot guys. Did you even read the interview?

6) The research these guys mention, isn't disputed. To be disputed, it would have to exist. If Jack Thompson came around and gave one of his talks about the scientifically proven causal link, would you believe him? Why do you believe, some random guy from Bavaria would know better?

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 1) The important thing is that the research is inconclusive. It's just as bad to cite sources for either side of the argument as their hasn't been enough done to determine it either way. The important thing is he has specific research, which puts him far above other people that want games banned.

2) What is glorifying violence? To me it would seem like any game that could bring the protagonist glory through use of violence would qualify under this. With this in mind it doesn't make sense to me that a great deal of violent games aren't banned in Germany.

3) Banning other things is a different issue, each with their own unique factors. Video games are easier to ban because they aren't as deeply engrained into society. Furthermore, the logic behind banning video games is that they're worse because they're encouraging people to think in like a murderer. While I disagree with him, he's of the view that if even one nutjob goes on a violent rampage in imitation of a video game then it's reason enough to ban them. While extreme, it's not an illogical stance.

5) I ignored the notion of being rewarded for being rewarded for more gruesome killings because that's simply ignorance and I see attacking it as a strawman. The more imporant issue is being rewarded for killing.

However, to take this to a really gameplay intensive level you are rewarded for killing efficiently. In any deathmatch one of the important things that leads to winning is killing your opponent faster than they can kill you. So if your opponent shoots you in the head and you shoot them in the foot, in many games they'll get the point and you won't. Furthermore, players are frequently encouraged to go into melee because the weapons do more damage and you won't be wasting ammo. There are also games where you get a guaranteed kill from killing an opponent from behind in melee (i.e. Halo, spies in TF2). On top of that, it's common in action games to award you with in game currency for killing your enemies in rapid succession. While I highly doubt he meant is on this level, your score is dependent on how you kill people.

6) I'm talking about research into youth being impressionable. It's undisputed that children learn from the enviroment around them. It's as logical to think that a child will learn something from a book as they will from a video game. I write off the argument that youth aren't impressionable as crap. The study he sighted I doubt has any real weight, but I'm not convinced either way.

As far as child porn and violent video games go is the idea of outright banishment. At least in America child porn is the only form of data that is banned, and he wants to add violent video games to this list. To me this makes him seem more logical in that he recognizes just how extreme an actual ban is. He makes a very bold statement that generally goes unsaid.

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5) I ignored the notion of being rewarded for being rewarded for more gruesome killings because that's simply ignorance and I see attacking it as a strawman. The more imporant issue is being rewarded for killing.

I don't care what you think is the more important issue. If you don't want to talk about, what whas said in that interview, that's fine with me, but don't pretend you're talking about what was said when you're actually talking about what you think should have been said. This is just a waste of time.

As far as child porn and violent video games go is the idea of outright banishment. At least in America child porn is the only form of data that is banned, and he wants to add violent video games to this list. To me this makes him seem more logical in that he recognizes just how extreme an actual ban is. He makes a very bold statement that generally goes unsaid.

As far as child porn and violent games go the idea clearly isn't to convey, how extreme a ban is. The idea is that video games are just as bad. Comparing violent games to child porn is neither bold nor a new idea, and it has become no less insulting since the first idiot came up with it.

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If you disagree that him saying that being getting points for killing people more gruesomely is a strawman, then refute my argument that there are games that reward you for more gruesome killing.

And calling for ban on violent video games is to say it's just as bad as child porn. The studies biased to the right, claim that games lead to psychological issues and violence, which if true makes the developers of violent games as bad as child pornographers. I find the studies to be insufficient, but somebody that sees the studies as adequate can logically opine that violent games are as bad as child porn.

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Considering the fact that youth violence has decreased based on federal statistics over the past decades, its hard to support your statement, especially considering since we moved from immovable pixels to..... well, you know.

Yes, there will be part of a generation who gets influenced by this, no doubt. Lets tally the count over to several dozen cases over the past 10 years of some kid killing another from video games, or any form of media.

Now compare to lets say.....; cigarettes, alcohol, cars wrecks and high Cholestorol and years of domestic abuse and you clearly get a number of preventable deaths that are hundreds, if not, thousands or millions of times greater than deaths by the "entertainment mediums".

The news and politicians use the newest forms of popular media to further their agenda or push beliefs on people using shock value.

I am not calling you out, it just seems insignificant to "protect the children" from something that less likely to prone them to violence than them growing from abusive parents.

C'mon, coconuts kill 100 people a year!!!

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Give it up, dude.  You already hit the nail on the head when you called this clown out for trying to support Hermann using statements and topics that weren't actually a part of the article.

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Saying this is a non issue because there are worse issues is like when a drunk driver complains the cop should be catching real criminals instead of manning a checkpoint.

If the gaming community as a whole ignores valid claims against us rather than fighting them we look just as bad as Jack Thompson.

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 "But even if games only cause a rise of a certain percentage in youth-violence it is reason enough to outlaw them. In other fields we also have clear bans, I'm thinking of child pornography."  - This is reasonable?

To compare video games to child pornography is reasonable?

One exists purely in the realm of fantasy and make-believe.  The other one deals directly with real human beings in the real world.  I don't see any way in which this statement is "reasonable", just more fear-mongering tactics.

Child pornography results in well-documented physical and mental damage to the child.  It's blatantly illegal under the law to display or depict such explotation of a chlid, and with good reason for an actual living, breathing human being is being abused by another living, breathing human.

With video games, even the most violent, you have a non-living digital character harming another non-living digital character.  In may be gory or unpleasent but at the end of the day no one is actually harmed.  There's no basis for this comparison at all.  Especially since there has been no proof that youth-violence has ever been caused soley by media, so that entire statement is without merit.

Reasonable?  I couldn't have thought of a more unreasonable comparison.

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So it's reasonable to assume people under 18 won't see inappropriate MOVIES, but GAMES are a different matter?  Unbelievable.

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For those of you that care about an explanation for this behaviour: Bavaria has elections for its state parliament in three weeks. This is cheap fearmongering to get some additional votes. It's disgusting and ultimately pointless, but it's what German politicians do. After the Erfurt shooting, they banned pump-action shotguns, because the perpetrator had one (mind you, not "shot someone with it", just "had one"). CSU regularly scores above 50% in Bavarian elections, so I don't really see any possible gain - all conservative types, that would find a video game ban appealing, already vote for them anyway.

I haven't decided yet who to vote for, but at least it's an easy decision who to vote against.

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They banned Shotguns.. In Bavaria? Again, in Bavaria?

That's one of the best hunting grounds in Germany.

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Pistol-grip pump-action Shotguns. (Not other pump-actions, mind you).

And they weren't just banned in Bavaria, but nationwide. German states have considerably les autonomy - especially when it comes to legislation - than american states.

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As long as you don't go hunting with a pump-action shotgun with a pistol grip, you're fine - they only banned this single type of gun.

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Andrew EisenMarvel also shows it understands that once it leaks, it's out there and went ahead and officially released the trailer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmeOjFno6Do10/22/2014 - 9:36pm
E. Zachary KnightMarvel's response is the best.10/22/2014 - 9:31pm
Andrew EisenI'll be streaming some games tonight at 8p PST in preparation for Saturday's marathon. twitch.tv/andreweisen10/22/2014 - 9:30pm
Adam802http://www.cbsnews.com/news/3d-video-games-surprising-concern/10/22/2014 - 9:16pm
MaskedPixelanteI'm not sure how to feel about Ultron's mouth. I'm sure he has one in the comics, but this is getting dangerously close to Transformers "Optimus has a defined mouth and it looks super weird" territory for me.10/22/2014 - 8:49pm
Andrew EisenMarvel on the leaked Avengers 2 trailer: https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/52507165630662656010/22/2014 - 8:09pm
E. Zachary KnightI squeed like a little girl when I watched the leaked Avengers Age of Ultron trailer. So much awesome.10/22/2014 - 6:47pm
quiknkoldI have a problem with games that use a digit for sequals when clearly they can be called something else. Five Nights at Freddy's 2? Nonono. Its "Another Five Nights at Freddy's" or "Five Nights Week 2"10/22/2014 - 5:30pm
E. Zachary KnightExtra Credits has come out against GamerGate. https://www.facebook.com/ExtraCredits/posts/86104175727438610/22/2014 - 5:28pm
E. Zachary Knightis it really that hard to answer a question, that to me seems fairly straight forward? I ask, because I have asked a specific question now 3 times without an actual answer in the wastebook thread.10/22/2014 - 5:20pm
Andrew EisenFive Nights at Freddy's 2! Yay! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVPONdZBh6s10/22/2014 - 5:07pm
Matthew Wilsonyou guys know he doesnt work for ea anymore?10/22/2014 - 5:02pm
WymorenceYou forgot having to open Unity through Origin too. :p10/22/2014 - 4:37pm
MaskedPixelanteUnity will now be licensed out half finished, with remaining tools to be sold back to you for 10-15 dollars a piece.10/22/2014 - 3:23pm
E. Zachary KnightNot a big fan of this news, but Unity3D's CEO is stepping down and John Riccitiello steps up. http://gamasutra.com/view/news/228384/Helgason_steps_down_as_Unity_CEO_and_John_Riccitiello_steps_up.php10/22/2014 - 3:06pm
MaskedPixelanteIt's probably extremism.10/22/2014 - 12:07pm
Matthew Wilsonthat being said, they are more likely to blame religious extremists than games.10/22/2014 - 12:01pm
Matthew Wilsonlets just hope they dont try to blame video games.10/22/2014 - 12:00pm
MaskedPixelanteOh joy, Ottawa's on lockdown, this is going to be a fun couple of days...10/22/2014 - 11:56am
MaskedPixelanteAnyone have any good text replacement scripts? I want one that can censor out Breitbart links.10/22/2014 - 11:35am
 

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