The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

September 10, 2008 -

Yesterday, Edge Online broke the news that Fallout 3 would ship worldwide next week with the same gameplay edits that were made to clear censorship hurdles in Australia.

The issue for Australian censors was the game's ability to use virtual morphine as a health power-up. Down Under, of course, the highest rating is MA15+.

After posting about the news, I realized that last week's GamePolitics story which reported that the BBFC had rated Fallout 3 "18" for the U.K. market contained a huge clue that the Aussie edits had gone global (a clue that I failed to fully pick up on). Here's what I wrote then:

Fallout 3 has been cleared for sale in the U.K. with no content edits required...

 

Curiously, a "consumer advice" note posted with the rating decision does not mention the drug use which got Fallout 3 banned in Australia earlier this year. The only reference to content is "Contains very strong bloody violence and gore."

So, yes, I noticed that the BBFC hadn't commented on the game's virtual drug use but didn't make the connection that it might have been edited out. Doh!


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Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

Thanks good job;

Btw, I think Atari and Midway will drop out too, but mostly travesti because  these guys have done nothing travesti or little and need to start saving costs. and dizi izle

YES.

Now I don't have to get off my ass for the important shit anymore!

Whats next, ordering pizza from Xbox live?

Wait... I think that sounds like a good idea.

But I think voting should MAKE you get off your ass, and see outside or a second while you go vote. I mean, your picking the president of the United States of America for God's Sake... least you can do is drive down there and punch out a card.

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I'm all for freedom of ttnet vitamin speech and allowing rent a car game makers to put whatever they want in games, but there's one thing about this app that has me scratching my head.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but from araç kiralama the previous article araba kiralama on this I gathered that players can use Google maps in-game to find the other (real-life?) dealers in their area.  If this is the case, has travesti anyone considered what's stopping someone from using this app to actually move drugs between hands for reals?

But majority araba kiralama of their outrage araç kiralama stems from what it could DO TO children, not the content itself.  Talk to one of these people and you'll find they don't think any books kiralık araba should be banned from children.  Mention American Psycho and they talk about kiralık araç the redeeming value of using imagination to construct a story.  Reading, no matter what the content, is largely viewed as a consequenceless activity for people of any age.  The reason why I mention American Psycho is because of the content itself.  Gaming never has and likely never will have any scenes where someone has sex with a severed head.  Not gonna happen.  Yet despite this, they'll fight tooth and nail to protect their children from two boys kissing in Bully but whatever they read is harmless... yeah.

The entire arguement is kiralık oto based upon a social normality inflicted by luddites who can't figure out the controls for Halo so it's frightening and terrifying and obviously the cause of youth violence on the rise even though, in reality, it's in decline (which is actually a HUGE suprise given minibüs kiralama the economies status).  In  a perfect world, we would have parents that actually parent.  The idea of sales restrictions on media on oto kiralama any form to accomidate parental unwillingness to get involved with their child's life is the real problem to me.  Here I am, 32 years old, and being held up at a self-scan rent a car needing to show ID before I can buy a $10 M rated game all because Soccer Momthra can't be bothered to look at the crap Billy Genericallystupidson does in his free time.  It's too hard for her, so I have to suffer?

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

I'm all for freedom of ttnet vitamin speech and allowing rent a car game makers to put whatever they want in games, but there's one thing about this app that has me scratching my head.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but from araç kiralama the previous article araba kiralama on this I gathered that players can use Google maps in-game to find the other (real-life?) dealers in their area.  If this is the case, has travesti anyone considered what's stopping someone from using this app to actually move drugs between hands for reals?

But majority araba kiralama of their outrage araç kiralama stems from what it could DO TO children, not the content itself.  Talk to one of these people and you'll find they don't think any books kiralık araba should be banned from children.  Mention American Psycho and they talk about kiralık araç the redeeming value of using imagination to construct a story.  Reading, no matter what the content, is largely viewed as a consequenceless activity for people of any age.  The reason why I mention American Psycho is because of the content itself.  Gaming never has and likely never will have any scenes where someone has sex with a severed head.  Not gonna happen.  Yet despite this, they'll fight tooth and nail to protect their children from two boys kissing in Bully but whatever they read is harmless... yeah.

The entire arguement is kiralık oto based upon a social normality inflicted by luddites who can't figure out the controls for Halo so it's frightening and terrifying and obviously the cause of youth violence on the rise even though, in reality, it's in decline (which is actually a HUGE suprise given minibüs kiralama the economies status).  In  a perfect world, we would have parents that actually parent.  The idea of sales restrictions on media on oto kiralama any form to accomidate parental unwillingness to get involved with their child's life is the real problem to me.  Here I am, 32 years old, and being held up at a self-scan rent a car needing to show ID before I can buy a $10 M rated game all because Soccer Momthra can't be bothered to look at the crap Billy Genericallystupidson does in his free time.  It's too hard for her, so I have to suffer?

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For fucks sake!  First Madworld now Fallout 3.  The censorship slippery slope has gone international!  Dealing with the idiot politicians in the US is bad enough.  Now we have to worry about the draconian censorship laws worldwide?  Bullshit.

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

Didn't get through all the comments, sorry.  First of all I'd like to say how ashamed I am to be Australian in light of this most likely having more to do with our country than any other, that our stupid archaic laws would effect every gamer on the planet.  I feared for the worst but the changes arn't that bad after all, so it's okay I guess.  If NotMorphine is a health pack, what happened to Stimmpaks and stuff?  Or is Med-X or whatever it's now called something else do we think?

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

How is this different from the Fallout3 story from earlier today? No real world drug names, but the chem system is still in tact.

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Really, the minor change isn't what concerns me.  The fact that one particular government is capable of creating a change that  has worldwide implications... that precedent does concern me.

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

Why is nobody adressing the fact that GP has said it shipped worldwide next week when all the release dates im reading say the end of october. did i miss something here guys?

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

Two people already did. Read much?

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

 

FO3 is oblivoin with guns its  a disgrace on both TES and fallout brands.

Its a shame they had to take a great brand and sell it fown to public...

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Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

I'm finally playing through Oblivion atm.  Frankly your casual gamer isn't going to be interested in playing it no matter how pretty and detailed it is, unfortunately.

Making a game more accessible with the same great engine is not "watering it down" if it is done well with a different idea in mind.  Is every game that used the Unreal or Quake engines a watered down version of Unreal or Quake?  No.

(EDIT : This is me assuming he is actually factually correct in his assertion that it is a 'watered down' version of Oblivion.  If it is just the fact he hasn't played more than 1 FPS and 1 FP-RPG then I revoke my comments and subtitute laughter)

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

If you're gonna cross site troll at least use the same name on each site so we know which brand of moron you are.

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

I hope that someone leaks the uncut version of the game on The Pirate Bay.

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

Seriously? You want an 'uncut' version of the game? THEY CHANGED THE NAME FROM MORPHINE TO MED-X! THAT IS THE ONLY CHANGE!

 

For cryin' out LOUD.....

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

Wait wait wait.

The problem was morphine?

MORPHINE?

Anyone else remember the little voice in your suit in half-life 2 that talked about administering morphine when you were low on health? OH NOES!

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

While I think it's lame that Bethesda made the change across the board just because of the Australian ratings board, I have to admit that I always found morphine to be a little out of place in the game. As was said earlier, all the drugs in the Fallout universe up to this point all had fictional names. Putting morphine alongside things like Rad-X and Mentats just seemed a little silly.

Also, it seemed like it didn't make sense logically for someone out in the field to repeatedly keep taking shots of morphine every time he gets hurt. Morphine doesn't heal you, it just makes it hurt less and fucks with your head a bit. It's also addictive, which either would have been turned into a gameplay element (like with the other Fallout games), or it would have been completely ignored (which would have made the morphine feel even more out of place in the game).

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Yeah, I alos felt having a real-life drug like Morphine felt a little out of place alongside the other fictitious drugs as well.  In the tradtion of the other drug names, I'm hoping they'll give it something ironic-sounding like "Pain-Away," "Pain-B-Gon" or "Pain-Eaze" ;) 

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Not sure why the big concern about drug use.  It wouldn't be the first game that used drugs.  Hell, RPGs have had "healing potions" for decades.  Mario had mushrooms.  Shooting games often use "painkillers" (morphine) or some other kind of drug to heal you.  Bioshock had drugs that you inject, very graphically and with a very large needle, that give you "magic powers".  Pulling drugs out of Fallout 3 is just retarded.

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They didn't 'pull' anything out of anything, they changed the name of one thing.  Morphine was changed to Med-X.  That is IT.

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

This is not the end of the world.  In the release noted a little earlier, the Fallout 3 dev guy(s) said that they changed the name from Morphine to something else...What I get from that is that apparently all that Australia needed to give it the rating was for it to not be the name of a real life drug....even if the drug IS highly controlled.  It's not like the game was ever suggesting you shoot up with heroin, or do mountains of cocaine.

 

If that IS all that was needed, who cares if it's called Morphine or...I dunno...Superduperpainkiller-X.  What matters is that it was a tiny edit, and the politicians in australia get shown once again how idiotic they are, if just the NAME is what almost got the thing banned.

 

Re-LAX, people.  Try going from a triple shot low fat no-foam soy latte to just a double.  There's no evidence that this is worth getting your panties in a twist over.

 

Edit: Also, to the people making the comparisons to Saving Private Ryan? There's a difference or two.  First off, Saving Private Ryan was set during the second world war, a historical point in time, in the real world.  Fallout is set in an alternate post-apocalyptic world some time in the future, but clearly, at some point before the present day of our real world, something was different.  For one thing, it almost seems like the apocalypse happened in the 50's, judging by the surviving crap lying around.

 

On the one hand, we have a real world historical period....on the other, we have an alternate reality in a 50's-inspired post-apocalyptic landscape some time in the future.  .....nooooooot quite the same thing.  It doesn't MATTER if it's called Morphine or Med-X.  Med-X actually makes MORE sense considering the setting.  You may as well be complaining that they don't call whatever they use to treat headaches in Star Trek 'Asprin'.

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

Okay, so maybe the next real world item to get cut because it 'doesn't belong in this world' will be the destroyed DC. It's not the real world, so there's no reason to have a blown up capital building is there? Why couldn't it be a blown up make believe building? 

This isn't about WHAT was cut, but the fact that ANYTHING was cut. Cencorship in an artistic medium is one of the worst things that can happen to the medium. And blatantly giving in to it, and then justifying the cencorship, is the signal of a company that doesn't care about their product, and just wants to get it into the hands of as many people as possible, in the cheapest way possible. 

And good thing you bring up Star Trek. A little research into it and you'll find that they too bowed to cencorship. The original script called hypodermic needles to be used to inject the various medications used. But due to NBCs broadcast standards, they weren't allowed to, so the ever present hypo-spray was created. The difference here is public broadcasts versus private purchased media.

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

Hear!  Hear!  Glad to see some common sense and perspective prevailing on this.  :)  A lot have already made good arguments on why this isn't as bad as some think, but yours was the best.   Bravo! :)

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Just a query, but what does the NotMorphine do anyway? If it doesn't mirror real world morphine in any significant way and they just chose the name because they wanted a recognisable drug, then isn't it more responsible for them to change it to Med-X anyway?

Games change the names of things all the time during development. If they change the name of something that isn't morphine to something that isn't morphine, and in doing so make it fit more into the theme of the game, where is the harm?

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

I believe in the game you have pain levels and morphine allows your character to act normally through high levels of pain.

That's secondhand information, so don't quote me.

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Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

OK, that added at least 3% to my Fallout 3 Is Cool gauge. This one should be interesting.

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

A statement we got this morning from VP of PR / Marketing Pete Hines when asked if his comments reflect any change in the violence:

"The chems in the original Fallout used fictional names ... Buffout, Jet, Rad-X, etc. Those all appear in Fallout 3 in exactly the same way as before.

"We had added a new chem to Fallout 3 and had given it a real-world name, Morphine. Questions were raised about the use of that real-world drug, not only in Australia, but other territories as well. We decided there was no reason it needed to be named that and it should be a fictional name like the other chems, so we changed it to "Med-X".

"That's the change we made in response to those concerns, nothing else."

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/09/10/bethesda-fallout-3-to-be-identical-for...

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

First you have made another mistake as FO3 will not be shipped next week but rather over a month from now. Next, Bethesda expected the game to receive an 18+ mature rating all along. The problem was with the Aussie's not having an over 18+ rating because for some odd reason Aussie's don't seem to think adults play games.

Bethesda decided to change the drug names due to not wanting to have two different versions out there but rather to make them the same around the world. Since other FO games did not have reference to "real world" drugs, this was a better solution, Keeping it the same, addressing a problem, ensuring they do not feel responsible for encouraging drug use (the objection) as well as continuing to be true to the series.

But really, regardless of it all, the Aussie's need to get after their government to let them know they need a rating for adults.

As hard as I have tried, I have not found the clue in your article that you claim to have left.

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

"But really, regardless of it all, the Aussie's need to get after their government to let them know they need a rating for adults."

The problem is the vast majority of us have no say in the election (or lack of) of the guy who's holding the whole thing back. Do a quick google on Michael Atkinson and you'll see why we still don't have a 18+ rating for games. Typical christian trying to force his values on other adults under the guise of 'protecting the children'.

Democracy is great, every gamer in Australia is effected by a single AG bent on forcing his view on us, despite the AG's of every other state agreeing we should have an 18+ rating. And people wonder why I dislike christians.

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He was pointing out that the BBFC did not list any drug references in their rating decision.

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Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

 next week?

seriously?

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

I have a bad feeling that it's not only the drugs that were watered down...

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

http://kotaku.com/5047637/fallout-3-kicks-its-drug-habit-thanks-to-australian-intervention

Kotaku has it in plainer english, straight from the Horse's Mouth, as it were.

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

if they're only changing the names from "morphine" to "super awesome fun time happy juice" then i'm not to worried about the changes. but if Australia wants the option of blowing apart people with your shotgun and that change hits here, i'll be thoroughly pissed off by that.

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

It's got to be said. But don't worry, it happens to all of us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKlB4aH1G5k&feature=related

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

I refer back to Saving Private Ryan. Would it be the same movie if, as the man was dying, and Tom Hanks asks if he can do anything for him, he replied "give me some flmbars for the pain"? Would Half-Baked be the same movie if they were smoking "tobacus"? Artists use real world items to make stories relateable to the real world. By forcing them to change it, yes it is watered down. 

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

Not to mention giving in to censors.

Give them an inch, they'll take a mile.

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

Screw you Australian government, screw you...  To the rest of the Aussies, I love you guys.  Best people to hang out with in the bars.  Funny as hell too.

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

So they edited the names of the drugs? Big deal out of nothing much, GP? I also would say that is far from an extreme enough change to refer to it as "watered down." Just my opinion.

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

Didn't I read earlier they just changed the name of the drugs from real names to fictional ones? Can't say I'm going to stress that change.

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

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Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

Perhaps Steven Spielberg should have been forced to edit Saving Private Ryan's use of morphine. Oh wait... Fallout is a video game? Well then of course we can have a different set of rules than EVERY OTHER ARTISTIC MEDIUM!...

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

More to the point, would Spielberg allow his film to be edited worldwide in this manner?

Just another sign that the whole "Games as Art/Speech" defense against the restrictions of games due to content has absolutely no merit, because the only thing game companies are interested in is profit, not art.

Until the game companies step up and take responsibility for their art, and fight for their art, then games deserve to be treated as products, not art.

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

Thanks for tossing that floodgate open Bethesda.

ANyone want ot guess when an international Videogames code authority might be foudned?

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

Floodgates in a desert.

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I don't think GP actually knows what was changed.

Re: The Clue that Fallout 3 Would be Watered Down...

Well, Dennis doesn't write all the articles anymore from what I can tell, and the writing has kind of went downward slightly as of late...

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Hmmmm... even though I'll probably end up working with Drug offenders later in life, it's very hard for me to be offended by the inclusion of morphine in a game like this. Kind of archaic, but eh, at least it makes sense and it could always be interpreted as the very real history of soldier's disease. Put the morphine back in the game!

 
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