MCVUK Lists Gaming's 10 Biggest Controversies
MCVUK Lists Gaming's 10 Biggest Controversies
September 11, 2008
Hot Coffee? Manhunt 2?
Sure. They're on MCVUK's list of the top 10 video game controversies. So are Resistance, The Guy Game, the original Mortal Kombat and five more.
Cutting so many controversies down to just ten is a difficult assignment, though. Did they miss any? I can think of a few possibilities...
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Posted 12/01/08 at 10:50pm
d.vel.oper: @sql: Messaged. Though I do so enjoy geeking up the shoutbox.
d.vel.oper: @sql: Messaged. Though I do so enjoy geeking up the shoutbox.
Posted 12/01/08 at 10:49pm
PHX Corp: No, not at all
PHX Corp: No, not at all
Posted 12/01/08 at 10:49pm
sqlrob: @PHX: Is that one of the signs of the apocalypse?
sqlrob: @PHX: Is that one of the signs of the apocalypse?
Posted 12/01/08 at 10:44pm
PHX Corp: Bill o'reilly finally advocated commonsense concerning violent Video Games (He said that parents need to watch out what their children play)
PHX Corp: Bill o'reilly finally advocated commonsense concerning violent Video Games (He said that parents need to watch out what their children play)
Posted 12/01/08 at 10:43pm
sqlrob: @d.vel.oper: Do you have any networking experience? Private message me, this nick on LiveJournal so we can talk in more detail
sqlrob: @d.vel.oper: Do you have any networking experience? Private message me, this nick on LiveJournal so we can talk in more detail
Posted 12/01/08 at 10:42pm
d.vel.oper: Might have to wait until the New Year, finances, etc.
d.vel.oper: Might have to wait until the New Year, finances, etc.
Posted 12/01/08 at 10:42pm
d.vel.oper: I'm in Central Florida, but since the job sounds fun, I wouldn't be against relocation.
d.vel.oper: I'm in Central Florida, but since the job sounds fun, I wouldn't be against relocation.
Posted 12/01/08 at 10:39pm
sqlrob: @@d.vel.oper: Where are you? We're in Austin
sqlrob: @@d.vel.oper: Where are you? We're in Austin
Posted 12/01/08 at 10:37pm
d.vel.oper: @sqlrob: Always looking, always hooking :P I didn't finish college, and haven't worked on any big projects. But I love hooking.
d.vel.oper: @sqlrob: Always looking, always hooking :P I didn't finish college, and haven't worked on any big projects. But I love hooking.
Posted 12/01/08 at 10:35pm
sqlrob: @d.vel.oper: You looking for a job? Where I work thef first thought for fixing something is hooking.
sqlrob: @d.vel.oper: You looking for a job? Where I work thef first thought for fixing something is hooking.
Posted 12/01/08 at 10:35pm
d.vel.oper: So you can write JS scripts that use the Steam API, kinda like plugins and such.
d.vel.oper: So you can write JS scripts that use the Steam API, kinda like plugins and such.
Posted 12/01/08 at 10:34pm
sqlrob: @d.vel.oper: I don't trust squat at ring 0. If it can't install as non-privileged user, I don't want it (games)
sqlrob: @d.vel.oper: I don't trust squat at ring 0. If it can't install as non-privileged user, I don't want it (games)
Posted 12/01/08 at 10:34pm
d.vel.oper: ...basically, a Steam extender.
d.vel.oper: ...basically, a Steam extender.
Posted 12/01/08 at 10:34pm
d.vel.oper: I'm working on mucking about with Steam right now. Writing a multi-hook with a JavaScript (Google V8) scripting engine...
d.vel.oper: I'm working on mucking about with Steam right now. Writing a multi-hook with a JavaScript (Google V8) scripting engine...
Posted 12/01/08 at 10:33pm
d.vel.oper: Usually via my own C++ code, and ASM stubs.
d.vel.oper: Usually via my own C++ code, and ASM stubs.
Posted 12/01/08 at 10:32pm
d.vel.oper: So I do alot of RE, and run-time code modification.
d.vel.oper: So I do alot of RE, and run-time code modification.
Posted 12/01/08 at 10:32pm
d.vel.oper: @sqlrob: I mainly subvert game cheat protections, which are basically rootkits themselves.
d.vel.oper: @sqlrob: I mainly subvert game cheat protections, which are basically rootkits themselves.
Posted 12/01/08 at 10:14pm
sqlrob: I've written POC malware that AV wouldn't have a chance against, never mind the deals copy protection have made with them.
sqlrob: I've written POC malware that AV wouldn't have a chance against, never mind the deals copy protection have made with them.
Posted 12/01/08 at 10:09pm
sqlrob: @d.vel.oper: Most of what I did was user space, a little kernel.. Lots of RE, both of Windows and malware
sqlrob: @d.vel.oper: Most of what I did was user space, a little kernel.. Lots of RE, both of Windows and malware
Posted 12/01/08 at 09:51pm
Michael Chandra: @sqlrob: Except for that many of the old and new games I like will be spread around so much that 6 consoles is more expensive.
Michael Chandra: @sqlrob: Except for that many of the old and new games I like will be spread around so much that 6 consoles is more expensive.
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If you look closely at the cover of "the guy game", one of those models is a tranny guy. I shit you not!
Riiiiight.
Why didn't GP post the actual list?
bloody hell, the GP link goes to a site with a link to a different site.
the final site has each item on a seperate page (1 small image, and 3 tiny text blocks per page, rest is ads).
I stopped reading at page 3, just too much effort, I'll wait until someone finds a printable link or posts it here.
come on, 1/8th of each page is article there.
the individual pieces do seem to be well researched and pretty interesting though.
Since you asked nicely:
1. Night Trap, 1992
2. Mortal Kombat, 1993
3. Carmageddon, 1997
4. America's Army, 2002
5. "Murder by Playstation" (Warren LeBlanc's murder of Stefan Pakeerah, supposedly over RockStar's Manhunt game), 2004
6. The Guy Game, 2004
7. "Hot Coffee", 2005 (Jack Thompson is referred to as, "Villainous Comedy Lawyer")
8. Manhunt 2, 2007
9. "Goatgate" (Sony's God of War 2 party that involved slaughtered whole goats on the menu), 2007
10. "Sony vs. God" (Resistance: Fall of Man being criticized by the Church of England for the depiction of Manchester Cathedral), 2007
Thank you, I for some reason got a blue screen when I tried to load it.
Thank you!
Come on GP, what the hell!!!
If you want to say, we got this link from this site to go to this site, that has this, fine, but holy hell, a link to a link! You dropped the ball buddy, you dropped the ball, and it is a 40lb bowling ball in your living, well was living, grandma's skull... to shame...
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If the site's list does NOT include Custer's Revenge, then they are not a reputable gaming website. That is the grand daddy of all games of controversy when it comes to adult content. As in, it is so old, and the first game that caused that type of reaction, that it deserves it's place and respect as such.
Here is my list:
1. Mortal Kombat
2. Custer's Revenge
3. Night Trap
4. Carmageddon
5. America's Army
6. Murder
7. Hot Coffee
8. The guy game
9. Manhunt 2
10. Sony vs God (Soon to be Spore of people complain more)
Note that the original list is listed chronologically, not by any measure of social impact.
Custer's Revenge didn't generate much controversy because nobody ever PLAYED it when it was released. It's a footnote, a punchline. Aside from a rather bizarre mention in a paper earlier this year (can't find the article but I'm almost certain it was linked here on GP), I've never seen it mentioned in the mainstream media.
Wasn't The Guy Game, er, NOT a game?
Ridiculously easy mini-games and trivia rounds (so I hear >_>), and one of the, er, models was 17 at the time of filming, so it's not exactly the most legal game in the world. The good news for people that bought it before that was revealed is they will not prosecute them, as they had no reason to suspect her of being younger than 18. The bad news for people that bought the game is that it sucks, and it's much easier and cheaper to find porn on the internet.
Also, OMG, CAPTCHA STARTS WITH R4, GP TOTALLY SUPPORTS HAXORZ!
I read the story on the Guy Game and some things I still wanted to know. Did the underage girl that sued Sony willingly allowed herself to be photographed? And did she know it was going to be for adult entertainment? If she willingly knew this, being underage, she wouldn't have been surprised about the situation. Or maybe she just didn't know such US laws existed.
I never knew copies of the game were pulled because of that. I'd always thought that if the game were to be pulled off the market it's because it did so bad because young adults find Google's helping of porn search much more useful (not to mention that it's free).
I see the occassional used copy. I've been tempted to buy it just to say I have one of the most controversial games ever, but it's got an underage girl and it sucks, so I don't want that stigma.
You don't need to go any further than, "it sucks," my friend. That's the only yardstick (*ahem*) that any gamer should be measuring by.
There's no nudity in the PS2 version, from my recolection. If there are, it's just boobs. I worked at EB when it came out, i just cant remember what it actually had.
There we go, logged out.
I saw the game when it came out on xbox. It contained partial nudity (IE flashing) when you answered enough of the questions correctly. It seemed that some of the women shown were never show topless. It was an ok game for drunk game with the guys.
On another note I was a little upset that the 'underage' 'women' successfully sued the game company. It appeared to be pretty clear in the game what section this was and who was supposed to be there. Lying about your age and using a fake ID, the burden of responsibility should fall on you and not on the company. But at the same time I understand having the game pulled, I just dont like how she can sue them. This whole "protect the children" idea is killing society.
So your stance is...people who are not adults should be considered adults if they say they are.
How's that law degree coming?
Kids who lie about their age and get people in trouble should face fraud charges proportional to the punishment doled out to the person they hurt.
A pretty much worthless fluff piece by MVCUK.
But, if they were to have done that properly, they would've had to include these two:
Xbox 360 68% failure rates and how Microsoft cost-shifted their R&D savings to their customers.
The Gizmondo story and how Fat Steffan and his criminal buddies defrauded millions from investors. The Enzo crash is just icing on the cake.
-- http://pixelantes.blogspot.com/
Then I think the article would be more accurately titled as "Gaming's 10 Biggest Controversies With the Media".
Hmm. But that title suggests that you can have controversies without the media being involved; and, let's face it, most controversies become controversial on a large scale because of media reporting -- whether that's due to the old school investigative types (example, Watergate), or today's citizen-historians (okay, bloggers and their ilk). No media? Storm in teacup.
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damn, i missed the X360 in the list i made, but i was thinking about games only... if we do gaming events
1. EA not paying employee's overtime
2. X360 failure rate
3. GameSpot firing employee for bad game review for a main sponsor of their site
4. EA buying out other companies and over using that branding to increase game sales (Sim Animals would fit under this)
5. EA's use of SecuROM (SuckROM in my book)
6. Jack Thompson (he deservers his own ranking in here)
7. WoW player addiction
8. E3 no longer public...
I'll stop there, there are more, and they need reordered, but there is a lot of controversy with gaming... Thats just stuff in the past 5 years. I will complete this list and send it to GP though, of gaming controversy
Most of those are things that Joe Average Consumer never heard about; the original list is about games (and game-related incidents) that got non-gamers aware of matters, whether they were fully-educated about the details or not.
And as a former WoW-player, I have to say: people really need to get over trying to scapegoat games for their own lack of self-control. World of Warcraft doesn't cause addiction, any more than EQ, EVE, Star Wars Galaxies, etc. do.
I don't remember the Resistance controversy
They left out the first video game controversy: Death Race. According to Wikipedia:
"The National Safety Council called it sick and morbid. The CBS news program 60 Minutes did a show on the psychological impact of video games. It was also covered on NBC's Weekend news show, in the National Enquirer and Midnight magazine."
They left out the first video game controversy: Death Race. According to Wikipedia:
"The National Safety Council called it sick and morbid. The CBS news program 60 Minutes did a show on the psychological impact of video games. It was also covered on NBC's Weekend news show, in the National Enquirer and Midnight magazine."
If the list Nekojin posted is correct, then it's an oddly unbalanced list. The Guy Game's underage model or the dead goat controversy didn't last as long or have nearly the impact of Hot Coffee. Narrowing down to only 10 for a list isn't easy, but it seems like they didn't put as much thought into it as they could have.
I wouldn't consider "The Guy Game" a controversy so much as an aubsurdity. Yeah, cause 90% of gaming isn't aimed at guys in the first place, they need their own specialized title.