Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War Copyright Infringement

September 17, 2008 -

Sony Computer Entertainment America and high-profile game designer David Jaffe have been sued in U.S. District Court in California for alleged copyright infringment involving the best-selling God of War series, GamePolitics has learned.

The suit was filed in late February by Jonathan Bissoon-Dath and Jennifer Barrette-Herzog, both of Davis, California. SCEA and Jaffe filed responses with the Court on August 29th.

In the complaint, Bissoon-Dath identifies himself as "the author of a series of related works of fiction, including Olympiad, a screenplay." Barrette-Herzog is described as the creator of Island at the Edge of the Living World, "a map that was submitted with Bissoon-Dath's work: The Adventures of Own: Owen's Olympic Adventure."

The plaintiffs allege that in 2002 they sent their work to Sony Pictures as well as agents who also did business with SCEA. Bissoon-Dath and Barrette-Herzog note that the original God of War shipped in 2005 and that David Jaffe apparently said at some point that the game had taken three years to develop.

Beyond the alleged similarity in the time line, the plaintiffs also claim that GoW shares elements of plot, character relationships, themes, settings, mood, pace and dialogue with their works. Bissoon-Dath and Barrette-Herzog list seven pages of what they allege are suspicious similarities between their work and God of War. By way of example, here a few of the claims are made by the plaintiffs:

  • Plaintiff's works tell the original story of how a champion saves Athens from destruction by the invading Spartan army that has been sent by Ares... [GoW]... is the story of how a champion chosen by Zeus and Athens saves Athen from destruction by an invading army sent by Ares...
  • In plaintiff's original work and God of War, the Champion's family is hacked to death in a one-room building in a small peaceful village. In both stories the Champion feels partially responsible even though he is not really to blame...
  • In exchange for Kratos' pledge, Ares gives him... the Blades of Chaos... two massive, glowing, sword-like blades fastened to chains fused to Kratos's wrists... These Blade of Chaos are taken directly from a scene in Bissoon-Dath's work... "As Zeus strides forward... his hands MORPH into two massive swords that glow like light sabers..."
  • ...Owen must cross the Bottomless Valley over a long, sagging suspension bridge, shown on Barrette-Herzog's map... in God of War Kratos must cross the Bottomless Chasm on a long, sagging suspension bridge...

GP: It would be difficult to fathom either SCEA or Jaffe being involved in something like this. After all, both GoW and the plaintiffs' work have a basis in Greek mythology, so they are both treading similar ground from the start. But the case appears to be proceeding, at least for now.

For their part, responses filed on behalf of SCEA and Jaffe deny that any copyright infringement took place and point out that some of the plaintiff's work (presumably the Greek mythology) lies in the public domain. In addition, the plaintiff's delineation of specific alleged similarities are described as "inaccurate, incomplete, abstracted and/or misleading."

SCEA and Jaffe also request that they be reimbursed for legal costs incurred in defending themselves.


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Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

I totally agree with "tolga" as we have to see screenplay and then we can make furtheir decisions.

Gary Winnick

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

The suit might have some merit, but just going by the complaint it's really hard to tell... I'd need to see the actual screenplay to be able to make any decision on the matter.

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

Bissoon-Dath and Barrette-Herzog-Dath...  They are married with lots of dashes in their names...  Phonies...  Their book was a low selling very poorly written thing that made them nothing..  Can we say EDIT...  They did the screen play hoping to get some bites from Hollywood...  When nothing came of that...  Here came GOW to bail them out.  He's a lawyer gone writer...  trying to redeem himself....  Thinks a win from Sony will give him the fame and fortune he promised to his beloved...  2 crazies...  Ridiculous suit!

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

He is the attorney...horrible writer marries even worse artist.  Poof.. Please tell me that the legal system can root out this farce. 

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

"As Zeus strides forward... his hands MORPH into two massive swords that glow like light sabers..."

Just in case anyone wants to claim the similarity here a quick search on wikipedia came up with this

Dimachaeri: From the Greek "διμάχαιρος" (bearing two knives). Used two-swords, one in each hand.

With Kratos' look (and the concept art shown in the making of with the first game) it's much more likely that gladiators were an actual source of inspiration. Also don't the Blades of Chaos glow as they are powered up because they are on fire, not like a lightsaber?

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

They are made of metal and have a halo of light around them, not like light sabres which are made of just light with nothing solid in the middle.  I nevewr got the impression the Blades of Chaos were fiery, though; it always struck me as just a kind of generic magical glow.

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

personally i think this is a bunch of bull shit haha i think its two fuck heads whining cuz they want to be the only ones with this type of game now and who the fuck r these two anyways i never fucking heard of them they problly made it after god of war and bitched cuz they should be the ones idk its stupid thats y i said fuck video games anymore they r waste of time and life

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

"As Zeus strides forward... his hands MORPH into two massive swords that glow like light sabers..." Am I the only one who thought of another similar writing style when reading these words?

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/5/19/

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

A large number of you do not do the gaming population justice in your assesment of this case.

I guess you don't actually care about the real case, the complaint is linked directly from the article.  I might have said "BS" too except for the facts that the timeline is pretty coincidental.  The bottomless Valley / Bottomless Chasm  and Meadow of Lost souls / Desert of lost souls  are just oddly coincidental similarities in naming convention for two totally unrelated pieces of work.  And making the cheery little satyrs o greek mythology scary demonic mosters is also pretty convenient.
 

These are just the things that stuck out for me.  Reading through the claim, and the fact Sony had access to this body of work very near the original development of GoW means that they need to demonstrate that this paralells are purely coincidental.  I'm sure they will, but with the provided evidence it is not a given.

Someone used the J.K. Rowling "Larry Potter" incident, the difference being, Rowling wasn't contracted by a publisher to develop a book series that had just recieved the "Larry Potter" books.  Which is exactly the spot Jaffe finds himself in.  I just don't see why he's included as a defendant in this case, unless he personally convinced SCEA to violate copyright then he has no liability.

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

You don't do common sense justice. I've played all the God of War games and read hrough the complaint fully, there is nothing in their claims which is not generic to Greek Myths or dark fantasy, there's very little out there which hasn't had "...of lost souls" slapped on on the end and just about EVERYTHING in God of War is presented as scary and demonic, not just the satyrs, as they were using just about every creature from Greek Mythology it's wholly unsurprising they appear in God of War, I can't help but notice that Owens shitty titled adventure makes no reference to the Gorgons, Harpys, Minotaurs, Cylops, Hydra, Kraken, Fates, Cerberus, Sirens and dozens of others classic Greek mythological characters used in God of War, and many of their claims about content in God of War is a distortion to fit their "wholly (un)original works".  The screenplay wasn't given to Sony Computer Entertainment, it was given given to Sony pictures, these arn't just two different departments sat by each other in the same office block, it's a bit of a leap to just assume the screenplay was passed over.

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

Did you actually look at the maps that are supposedly so similar?

They are not even remotely alike.  This whole case is a joke, yet another example of someone greedy pulling the lever on the litigation slot machine and hoping for a payout.

The text says they both have the "X of lost souls" central to the map.  This is an obvious lie, just glancing at them.  The God of War map has the Desert of Lost Souls on the far right (it looks central because of illustrations to its right) and the Wanky McWankpants (or whatever it's called) map has its Meadow of Lost Souls on the far left.  Further, one is a meadow, the other is a desert.  Big f--king difference there.

Further on the map "similarities", they are described as both having the sea along the bottom.  This is an outrageous distortion - the Wanky McWankpants map is a near-circular island; it is surrounded by sea.  The GoW map has sea along the bottom because it is a stylised recreation of Greece, and the real Greece has the Aegean and Mediterranean Seas on its southern shore.

The most ridiculous part of the map comparison is that the GoW map has a mountain range, made up of triangular shapes, to the north of the desert, and the Wanky McWankpants map has . . . wait for it . . . a forest with triangular trees to the north.  Apparently GoW's northern mountain range (based on, you know, real mountains found to the north of Greece) is actually a rip-off of Wanky McWankpants's forest.

Further to this, most of the other comparisons they have are both taken from pre-existing modern re-tellings of Greek myth.  There is talk of the Greek gods, much larger than men, gathered around a reflective pool that shows images of the doings of humans down on earth.  Yes, both GoW and Wanky McWankpants do this.  So did the famous Ray Harryhausen film Jason and the Argonauts in 1963, and Harryhausen's last film, Clash of the Titans, in 1981.  Both of these films also featured statues of the gods coming to life in the form of the actual gods they represent.  The plaintiffs allege these ideas were stolen from their "wholly original" works.

I call bullshit.

The rest of the comparisons are just chuckleworthy.  The protagonist of one work spends the entire story fighting with blades on long chains that are burned onto his forearms, and this is supposedly a ripoff of a single brief scene in the earlier work in which a secondary character - a god, not a human protagonist - turns his arms into glowing swords.  The protagonist of one work is tricked into murdering his wife and child by Ares, the God of War, whom he had served faithfully.  This is supposedly derivative of the protagonist of the earlier work hiding under a bed as bandits murder his family.

They have no case.  They may get some easy money if Sony and Jaffe settle out of court just to be done with it, but if it actually goes to court it will become obvious that no plagiarism has taken place (except perhaps for the frivolous plaintiffs ripping off Ray Harryhausen and Charles Schneer).

It's Nancy Stouffer / J. K. Rowling all over again.

If thee's any justice in the world, these two writers will be turned away from everywhere they try to sell their scripts because they have gained a reputation for suing companies later for supposedly ripping off their work.

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

...Owen must cross the Bottomless Valley

Presumably to the topless mountain by the dry sea

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

The Adventures of Owen: Owen's Olympic Adventure

I'd say the major difference between God of War and this, is God of War doesn't sound like a pile of crap.

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

I was thinking it sounded gay, myself.

Is this guy twelve or retarded?

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

"As Zeus strides forward... his hands MORPH into two massive swords that glow like light sabers..."

Reminds me of Algol from SCIV where his hands turn into Soul Edge in one hand and Soul Caliber on another.

Do you think they'll sue Namco-Bandai as well?

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

Why would they?  I know you're trying to be funny, but if you'd read the complaint there are a LOT more similarities than this.  They may have a legit case here, but we'll see what happens.

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

The story behind Kratos is very similar to other Greek heros. Leader of an unbeatable force (Many storys has this like Troy or 300) kills own family (Heracles) guided by Athena (Jason) etc. There is nothing new story wise. It's unique because it's the first for a video game, but that's it.

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

For those simply dismissing this as a couple of crazy people trying to cash in, you might want to read the whole complaint that Dennis linked.  There appears to be a LOT of similarities.

For those dismissing the "like light sabers" terminology, this is a screenplay; these things happen and are perfectly allowable in this format.  If this had been a finished novel, then this would be a derivative work.

The last lawsuit I saw like this was settled out of court in sealed records.  (It was the people who created "Parts: The Clonus Horror" vs. Michael Bay -- and it was Bay and Dreamworks who had to pony up some cash.)

 

 

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

but if you read the whole complaint carefully, most of the similarities they reference come from "Olympiad version A." The original "Olympiad" was registered for copyright in 2002, but version A wasn't registered until 2007, more than two years after GoW came out. And the other two works that they allege were misappropriated weren't registered until 2006. Wouldn't be hard to make some tweaks to the original screenplay that closely match GoW, call it "version A" and claim that you actually wrote it before the game came out, but you just waited to register until 2007.

And as pointed out above, the GoW scenes/plot elements referenced in the complaint are often misrepresented (Kratos is a disgraced Spartan, not a "champion of Athens;" he killed his family in the temple of Athena, not in a "one-room building," etc.).

The suit might have some merit, but just going by the complaint it's really hard to tell... I'd need to see the actual screenplay to be able to make any decision on the matter.

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

That's why I hate copyright. Vote Pirate Party. 

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

Was Kratos a chosen champion of Athens? I thought he was a murderous Spartan who only turns on Ares once he has been betrayed. And he himself killed his family in a temple, and he is fully responsible. I could possibly more convinced if I saw the whole of the Plantiff's work. What little is mentioned seems to be rather standard material, in fact even more so than GoW, since the army of Ares in the game is one made of monsters with no Spartan other than Kratos involved. Kratos does lead a Spartan army in the second game, but by then he is the god of war and the place he is invading is Rhodes. Also, a major difference is that Zeus s ultimately a bigger villain than Ares.

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

Some free advice for David: If the judge in this case is a woman, don't call her a "MILF".

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

And don't mention how you want to bone her.

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

why not its common for people to get screwed in lawsuits lol

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

If you're writing a piece of Greek mythology, try to avoid referencing fucking light sabres.

 

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Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

If this author creates hands that mutate into swords that 'glow like Light Sabres', then aren't they, by their own reference, copying an idea from Star Wars and therefore Mr Lucas' lawyer would like a word?

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

They did and won but it all comes down to useing the name and being able to bully anyone over anyhting, if you can recall Lucus sued hard over anyhitng that ebarly copied lazer blasters and swords after the films came out.

 

It dosenot matter who owns what anymore its all a matter of who has the better lawfirm.

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Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

It's a screenplay and screenplay writing encourages things that would be considered taboo with literature.

One of the big differences is that, with the exception of dialogue, it's VERY light when it comes to describing action.  The fewer words, the better.  Likewise, since the whole idea of a screenplay is to provide basic directions for the actions in the scene, anything that could give the director a sense of what it is "suppose to" look like is encouraged, hence you actually have a lot of "looks like this..." "is very (insert pop reference here)-like", etc. etc. in screenplays.

As a screenplay is not sold by itself as a product and since any money that would be made is based on the finished picture, not how it was described on paper, I don't believe there is any real grounds for a lawsuite in that regard.

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

Urgh.

Settings and a major plotpoints do not a copyright infringement made. Similarity in characters names, actions to detailed storytelling, dialogue (ESPECIALLY dialogue) and artwork DO.

Did in the submitted story the words and actions and story mimic exactly the story of God of War ? No, it did not.

 

 

 

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

Wow, and I thought He-who-must-not-be-name had weak arguments....

 

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Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

If he honestly thinks that he is the first person to come up with the idea of Spartan invading Athens, I know a few Spartan zombies that want to have a word with him.  That word is, "braaaaiiiins," but that's beside the point.

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

I am sorry unles you can show that charatcers mirror each other in at least 90% visually, the story has to be unique in itself not borrowing from major works of fiction an then it might can be protected fully under copy right but I'l tell you right now EVERYTHING comes from something.

(digs up one of my writing projects)

heres one of my new writing projects (do be advised this is copyrighted by me as much as anything can be)

Weapons of Starfall

 

1000 souls of distant stars fall to the earth as instruments of destruction in the form of hand held weapons, they seek the mirrors reflection of another and find their owners one by one, the name f the chosen who bare these weapons are Star wielders.

The gnawing empty void crawls through space devouring countless planets and stars, the culminated entirety of the systems life forms are forged into a Star egg and placed with others in a floating graveyard tomb stone like eggs that feed power into the particulate matter of the void nebula. Sometimes these eggs manage to force themselves out into space sometimes they are discarded, hey then seek out the nearest planet to act as a beacon or a deterrent if there are no masters to chose a weapon then it moves on if it finds them then a costest is held and the winner shall determine the fate of the world before the many eyes of the void the winner must chose to scarf ice itself for the world if not the world falls if the winner chooses damnation its personality is crafted into a weapon..on a rare occasion a 3rd option presents itself to destroy or dimish the void itself. .

Setup

A Starsoul weapon is a living being that seeks to have a symbiotic relationship with its master, some weapons are more degraded and become the Master and the wielder is merely a power source in a parasitical relationship. 

Each weapon seeks out a like personality in their Master/wielder the weapons come in 3 type’s range, heavy, normal with 6 levels of evolution in 2 stages of development. 

First stage has 3 levels, 2nd stage has 3 more levels to prefect the previous ones.

Trance mode enables a higher state being for both Weapon and wielder.

 When the weapon is perfect one can maintain trance mode for longer periods of time without fear of the cost being too high, once a person gains that ability they are called Star Masters, if one can attain perfect resonance with their weapon they may evolve into a final state of symbiosis with the weapon and are known as Star killers

Weapons

Axe                           Heavy

Sword                      Normal  

Spear/Polearm             Heavy

Whip/Chains               RANGE

Dagger/knife                Normal

Shield/Disc                 Heavy

Bow/Cross bow/ “Gun” RANGE

Claw/Gauntlet             Normal  

Bat/Club                    Normal  

Pole/staff                   Normal  

Wire/String                RANGE

 

 

 

Sub classification

Separating/Sectional

This is a sub classification that enables the weapon to be dual or tri purpose

Large/Huge

Is a sub classification that makes the weapon an upper level heavy weapon.

Twin/Dual

Is a sub classification that doubles the weapon the Master can use most weapons that can be doubled are rare as they are siblings of the stars.

Sometimes Twin weapons come to different masters and sometimes to siblings, who are compelled to compete, spare or fight to the death over the ownership of both.

 

Weapon Soul types

Black

Evil type that uses absorption, shadow, gravity and can mimic other soul types, can be parasitic.

Elemental

A power based on the elements.

Force

Force fields, enhanced cutting, blunt force, telekinesis, ect

Mind

Illusion, confusion or mind control.

Light

Piercing, purging, cutting, healing light.

Story

 

It’s been 800 years since the first Star fall and the realization that the void is coming in order to prevent it the order of starfall was established but only after the first conflict between star born warriors. An unstable Abbot of the church gained the first weapon the Black Heart staff(Staff Black Mind) a warped ebony staff that could bend shadow and control the mind he tried to usurp the church but a exiled friar who was himself an ex knight defeated him with his Lightbringer a bastard sword with wide blade(Large Heavy class Light Sword).

After the almost year long war with the abbots splinter church they meet in a final battle as the abbot died he related unto the victor that more are coming and in 1000 years time the real battle with began, and the Elack Staff then sent itself into orbit to hibernate for 100 years to find a new master.

 Pleading with the church to no avail from incarceration the friar almost gave up hope until 3 more weapons feel to the earth and stories of magical warriors after spread throughout the world over 10 years the church changed its mind and sent the friar on a quest to find out about them. The friar met with the 3 warriors who lived in different parts of the world one from Spain, the other from china and one from the deeps of the Congo, all busy with protecting their people they still took the time to spare with the other sizing each other up the souls o the warriors mingled and a conscious was made form an organization to ready warriors for the final battle. And so he returned to the church after 5 years of travel and told the church what must be done and they decided that they will do this if he remains loyal solely to the church.

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I am still running lines of thought out and filing in bits I missed but we got at least 1 game and 1 anime it leans its setting from and thats not covering books and film.



And this is just 1 of some dozen things I am working on besides my favorite project  .


http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/cotlop-zippybook/chronicles-of-the-lord...


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http://zippydsm.deviantart.com/art/COTLOP-Chapter-1-91321261



And yes I understand I suck at this but I am damned to create as its one of the few hobbies I really enjoy.



My point is CP as it is now is as flawed as patents.


 

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Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

"After the almost year long war with the abbots splinter church they meet in a final battle as the abbot died he related unto the victor that more are coming and in 1000 years time the real battle with began, and the Elack Staff then sent itself into orbit to hibernate for 100 years to find a new master."

This sounds suspiciously like the book of Revelations.  Jack Thompson is going to sue you for Bible infringement. ;D

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Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

Let him once I get done with the setting and setup I can fill in more on the characters, but sheesh thats just the backdrop the story itself takes place in modern times, least thats what I want to do with it...god knows the voices in my head might steer it in another direction.

 

Got another thats a mix of D gray man and Hellraiser 0-o

Alil more developed than the one above.

http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/writing-and-wutbits/plague-signs/

I am not a book fiend so theres a few books it takes from just because most ideas are not new.

 

What makes a good writer is the skill of blending and crafting persons,places things grammar is not always the absolute end or start for creativity....but holy sht I needz it >>.

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Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

This douchebag's lawsuit is about as a weak as any of Jacky Boy's.

And that's seriously saying somerthing.

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

oh oh oh i know maybe they can get jack thompson to represent them lol(yeah actually i did have to do that)

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

 As many have stated, the plot to God of War was cliched and fairly standard for Greek fare, people trying to get revenge against the Gods for past wrongs is as common as witches eating children in fairytales (I would say European fairytales but it's also seen with Baba Yaga in Russia and elsewhere).

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

...I thought Russia was in Europe?

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

It's on the European Continent but not part of the European Union, Like Canada is on the American Continent but not part of the United States of America

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

Oh, this should be fun.  If GP chose the closest similarites, then flimsy doesn't even begin to describe the lawsuite. 

  • <i>Plaintiff's works tell the original story of how a champion saves Athens from destruction by the invading Spartan army that has been sent by Ares... [GoW]... is the story of how a champion chosen by Zeus and Athens saves Athen from destruction by an invading army sent by Ares...</i>

 

Ares is the god of war, so if it needs explaining why he would be behind an invading army someone needs to look up the definition of "war" in the dictionary.  As for Sparta attacking Athens, that's just basic Greek history.  The two city-states NEVER got along and only allied when there was a much bigger threat, like the Persians.  And of course Athena would want someone to save Athens, she's the patron of the city!  It's named after her for gods' sake!

<i>In plaintiff's original work and God of War, the Champion's family is hacked to death in a one-room building in a small peaceful village. In both stories the Champion feels partially responsible even though he is not really to blame...</i>

Several things wrong with this.  First of all the majority of Greece was full of "small peaceful villages" back then.  In GoW it's more than just a one-room building, it's a temple to Athena.  Perhaps in the plaintiff's work it is also a temple of Athena but you would think they would point that fact out to further their case.  Finally Kratos feels more than partially responsible, he is responsible!  The whole plot from there on in in the GoW story is Kratos repenting for what he did.  Saving Athens is just the climax of a series of trials, which is more of a rip-off of the Hercules myth than anything.

<i>In exchange for Kratos' pledge, Ares gives him... the Blades of Chaos... two massive, glowing, sword-like blades fastened to chains fused to Kratos's wrists... These Blade of Chaos are taken directly from a scene in Bissoon-Dath's work... "As Zeus strides forward... his hands MORPH into two massive swords that glow like light sabers..."</i>

Ummm...do I even need to comment on how much of a stretch this is?  No?  Good.

<i>...Owen must cross the Bottomless Valley over a long, sagging suspension bridge, shown on Barrette-Herzog's map... in God of War Kratos must cross the Bottomless Chasm on a long, sagging suspension bridge...</i>

Sounds like to me that both Barrette-Herzog and Jaffe need to pay Monty Python for ripping-off the Bridge of Death.

 

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

The sagging suspension bridge is a bunch of BS.  It's been a while, but I think they are refering to GoW2 when Kratos is on his way to see the oracle and is crossing a bottemless chasm, that much is true but, he doesn't cross a suspenssion bridge, he crosses a series of collapsing platforms.  That is a pretty huge difference right there.

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

Pretty much, now if only these people would be forced to pay all court cost when thier case is thrown out... Perhaps then they'd think twice about this... It doesn't help that it's take THREE years from when the game was released to do this. >_>

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

I apologize for, somehow, f'ing up the italics.

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

I'm more offended that you confused the Blades of Chaos as having been given by Athena.  THOSE came from Ares.

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

Ummm...where did I state that the Blades of Chaos came from Athena??

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

So this guy came up with a bunch of wheezy cliches... in ANCIENT GREECE!  And then a couple years later, SCE creates a game with a bunch of wheezy cliches... in ANCIENT GREECE!

This happens all the time.  Someone gets miffed that their allegedly brilliant and original idea didn't catch on while someone else with a vaguely similar idea becomes wildly successful.  Make up a reason why they must have stolen it from you, file a lawsuit, and hey!  Once in a while you score some free cash!  This one won't go anywhere, though.

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

If it's such a big deal why did the plantiff wait until 2008 to sue Jaffe and Sony When the game came out in 2003? Sounds like the plantiff just out for money and attention

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

Greek tragic hero, gets weapons from the gods and goes on an all out killing spree. Even then decides to rebel against the gods? Hmmmm that only describes a lot of Greek myths.

Oh and Zeus is a Jedi Master who dual wields lightsabers...ummm yeah. :P

If you describe in your book based on greek mythology...don't describe a weapon of a god as akin to a lightsaber. Terrible writing and greed for the epic loss.

Re: Sony, Designer David Jaffe Sued for Alleged God of War

I'm sorry any similarities between the two are contrived and cliche elements present in other stories, the similarities between the blades as well go as far as 'two blades' where the GoW are descriptive if a little ott, the other is poorly written and vague at best.

 

This guy deserves to lose the case for that poor writing alone as someone explained earlier, use of another work of fiction in your own work as a similie is just one of the worst writing flaws there is, not to mention its coming from a completely different genre.

 
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