Edge Online Editor: Spore DRM Does Not Encourage Piracy

September 18, 2008 -

With the controversy surrounding Spore's DRM reaching a fever pitch, Edge Online Editor Colin Campbell argues for calm and disputes some of the current theories about the relationship between DRM and piracy:

The anti-DRM crowd. They have a point, but then it gets lost by mob-insanity... They get mad about EA only offering three installs for Spore. I don't know many people who install games on three computers, but I dare say it's a few. EA says 1%. OK. That's a significant number of people, all in all. They ought to be offered some more options...

 

I agree that the DRM solutions currently in use are often frustrating and damage publishers. They need to be improved. Customers need to be heard. Action needs to be taken. EA needs to address these issues one by one.

But there's also a nasty sort of relativism going on here, that is weakening the position of those protestors who have a genuine grievance... And this mob-pandering argument that DRM encourages piracy? Please. What encourages piracy is dishonesty. Either you're the sort of cheap f**k who wants something for nothing, or you're not.
 

GP: For my money, Edge Online is among the top tier of video game news sites, but I can't get behind Colin on this one. In regard to the issue regarding the number of installs, here's a snippet of something I wrote this week for the Philadelphia Inquirer about my own gaming experience:

If you change PC’s or you are the type who keeps games for a long time and re-installs them periodically, you could be in for trouble. For example, I’m still playing EA’s Battlefield 1942 five years after release. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve deleted and reinstalled the game.


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Re: Edge Online Editor: Spore DRM Does Not Encourage Piracy

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Re: Edge Online Editor: Spore DRM Does Not Encourage Piracy

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He's making an argument for NOT having DRM

So by his own argument, DRM is pointless. If I fall into the category of those who DON'T expect something for nothing, then I would have purchased the game even if it were DRM free.

So let's get to the truth. Piracy is nothing more than a Red Herring. DRM is no longer being used by companies like EA to curb piracy. After all, DRM has never protected even a single game from being pirated. So think about it.  Why then would EA and other companies continue to pour money into a failed system?

Why? Because it's true purpose has not failed. This DRM ruse is all leading down the path of bilking more money out of normal, non-pirating customers. Soon, you'll need to re-purchase a game once the activation limit has been reached. Or perhaps we'll be paying a small activation fee per install... all in the name of protecting against "piracy" of course.

For anyone to even think that EA is using DRM to fight piracy is naive at best.  I see the future.  It's a future of software that will nickel and dime it's paying customers to death.

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There is relativism going on with the statistics used methinks.

 

Additionally DRM does in fact inspire copyright infringement. I know this to be true from years of empirical knowledge.

 

Re: Edge Online Editor: Spore DRM Does Not Encourage Piracy

 Just keep installing until you run out, and then pirate the game. You won't feel guilty, as you shouldn't in such a case.

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Re: Edge Online Editor: Spore DRM Does Not Encourage Piracy

I bought a new computer just to play Crysis.

 

Seriously, my soul (watch Yatzee's review of crysis) for a computer powerful enough to run crysis.  It was worth it, every single penny and part of my soul! 

I have a computer powerful enough to run Spore at super max settings.  Would I get it?  No.  Is it because of DRM?  No, its not the main reason I'm not getting it.. but its part of it. 

Its the fact that the game sucks.  Seriously sucks.  Call me ignorant, but of all the hype and everything that went into the game, it seriously came up so short of what it was intended to be...

Then you got the whole DRM ontop of it.. sheesh, more head-aches just to play an over-rated videogame, no thanks.

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I like this guys response to the criticism, which basically adds up to:

'I'm not sure if I'm right, but anyone who disagrees must therefore have pirated the game.'

He's been deliberately missing the point since the start, no reason to expect him to get it now I suppose.

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I bought Spore the other day. It's still shrink-wrapped. I've been happily playing my pirated copy since I bought it.

I look at games the same way I look at a book, or a movie. I have no right to copy it for someone, but I do have the right to loan it to my little brother if I so choose. I have the right to install it as many times as is necessary for it to continue to run. I have the right to install it while avoiding a malicious, irremovable virus from my computer.

EA, I am a pirate. Your choice of DRM made me one: Until you change your DRM and the number of installs, Spore will be the last title I buy from you. The concept of paying you to go and download a title disgusts me. The only reason I did so was because I've been looking forward to Spore for so long.

No more. You have no titles to lure me like this lured me. Get rid of the DRM, or you've gotten rid of me as a customer. All I want is to be able to install one of your games as many times as I like down the road, and to do so without worrying about the damage doing so will inflict on my computer.

Re: Edge Online Editor: Spore DRM Does Not Encourage Piracy

Its not so much encouraging piracy {by my definition}, however it is forcing owners of the game to download the pirated version in order to actually play the game. Which the industry does consider piracy.

I know of at least two people who bought spore, which is now sitting on the shelf in its original package unopened, because they opted to install the cracked version they could download off of the internet because when a friend attempted to install it it hosed up the computer it was being installed on.

Despite popular belief, I think people prefer to pay for software/movies/music provided it is convenient. That is really what I think it comes down to is a matter of convenience. Is it easier to go to the store and buy it or is it easier to download it off the net.

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"A cheap fuck who wants something for nothing"

Really?  No.  I'm a person who, when I buy a game, want it to actually FUCKING WORK.

There are documented issues with the DRM used in Mass Effect, Spore, and the rest of EA's future catalogue.  It refuses to believe that a certain subset of the population has internet.

I pirated Mass Effect because I bought it, and couldn't get it to run.

I would have purchased Spore, if I hadn't known that the DRM issue I was having hadn't been fixed.

Go fuck yourself.

Re: Edge Online Editor: Spore DRM Does Not Encourage Piracy

Harr, harr, harrr!

This scury bilge-rat be makin' my day!  He be smokin' something ripe, and I be wantin' in on it!  What be the diffrence between terror on the high seas, and takin' booty fer spoutin' another man's words as yer own!  At least us sea-dogs aren't hidin' our intentions - we aim to cheat, lie, steal and plunder!   By Blackbeard's ghost, don't be givin' in to the EA's Navy - don't allow any of yer hard won booty ta end up in their tarnished coffers. 

(Please note, I am not advocating piracy.  I am advocating, however, not buying the game, and telling both EA and Will Wright to go keelhaul themselves loudly, publicly, and repeatedly.  If you bought the game, you are part of the problem.  If you pirate the game, you are part of the problem.  Period.)

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I keep reading about the 3 installs... and I tried to read up on it... the only actual answer I found from EA was on the Red Alert 3 forums where it was pointed out that if you uninstall the game it will free up the licence.  Which means the only time you actually will have a problem is if you format the machine without uninstall... and this would have to happen 3 times before you have to contact EA.

Also hasnt EA has backed off and said they will make it so you can free up the licence yourself online?

Given these two points does it put anyones mind at ease?

Im not claiming to know the ins and outs of it all (or to care right now) I just see a lot of screaming and very little in the way of facts (from both sides).

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The freeing up activations is a new thing and likely in response to the outrage over Spore; doesn't apply to MEPC or Spore...yet.  As of right now, there is no way to 'revoke' activations for those games.  You use your 3 then you have to call EA for one more.

Maybe they'll even give you one.

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The thing is, even if uninstalling the game does free up the install in the current version of SecuRom, that's neither a gurantee of it working properly every time (therefore costing you an install), that you'll be able to uninstall it before reformating, nor a guarantee that EA won't shut down the servers.

Also this doesn't address the other problems associated with SecuRom such as it installing itself silently, without your permisson, cases were it screws up your computer and so forth.

-Gray17

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i hate ea now i got the crap on my computer becuse of crysis warhead lucky it not as strick as spore is but if i have anyproblems i find a way to remove it then i wait for a crack. lucky it does not have it for the crysis wars ...i think i cant get a staright answer to that. anyway i hope they just take the DRM off i want to buy the game but im not gonna still piss i did not find out about crysis warhead gaaaaa.\

Thanks

Zaruka

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"Only 1% of our customers ever try to install the game on more than 3 machines"

Where did that statistic come from? A three month sampling using the launch of the Spore Creature Creator. That statistic doesn't mean that only 1% EVER try to install on more than 3 machines, it means that only 1% tried to install on more than 3 machines IN A PERIOD OF 3 MONTHS. It's not the first 3 months of release that most people are upset about. That is a terrible statistic, and completely misses the point. People are not worried about wanting to play their game immediately after purchasing it; people want to be able to play their game 3 or 4 years down the road.

Counting reformats and new computers, my completely legal copy of Sims 2 has been installed on FIVE machines. 4 years, 5 activations. Two PCs in the household to start with, PC two needed to be reformatted, then both PCs were upgraded once. If the "new graphics card" thing actually takes an install away, which I've heard conflicting information about, then that would bring my total up to 6, TWICE the number that I'm allowed to for Spore and, most likely, future EA titles.

Having to call to get more activations is unacceptable. It's a hastle, and even if you were guaranteed to get the activation when you call (which you aren't), it would still keep me from wanting to buy the product. I have dealt with EA's tech support in the past, and I don't wish to go through that again. I don't want to have to explain my case when all I want to do is install my game, like a teenager having to explain why they were home late last night.

The legal customers should be rewarded, not punished, for wanting to give EA their money.

Can't they at least put the installs on a timer? If they are going to take a sampling of people in a 3 month period, then have your activation limit reset after 3 months. Problem solved, or at least dramatically improved.

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IT'S NOT ABOUT INSTALLING ON 3 SEPERATE COMPUTERS, EA!!!  IT'S ABOUT ONLY BEING ABLE TO INSTAL 3 TIMES ON  ONE FRIGGIN COMPUTER!!!  That's why we say it's like RENTING A GAME!  Not only that, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE F'ING ACCOUNT PER COPY!!!

You're right, I don't know anyone who has 3 computers in one house, but I do know people who format their harddrive when doing computer maintenence on a monthly basis, LIKE ME AND EVERY OTHER COMPUTER GEEK!  WTF is WRONG WITH YOU!?!?!?  STOP JERKING US AROUND, YOU ARE IN THE WRONG ON THIS ONE!!!  YOUR DRM FILLS MY COMPUTER WITH CRAP THAT I HAVE TO FORMAT TO GET RID OF.  There is NO game worth having to deal with your ristrictions.

 

We are all going to die someday. The trick is not to rush it.

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*looks around room and counts*

I've got 5 computers in here...3 stationary, 2 laptops shared by 3 different people. Spore on each of them and that's my RENTAL INSTALLS gone.

Yo ho me hardies, set sail 'fer torrent isles!

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Given Edge magazine's history for sucking up to the big boys, this is nothing new.  In a year of games like Portal and Braid, they gave their award for "Innovation and invention" to Halo 3, for it's online interface.  The very first sentence being "I know all you PC gamers have seen this before..."  It stunk of politics.  I imagine this endorsement of EA is nothing better.

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Well, I sorta' agree with him. I don't think the DRM inspires piracy. However, with that being said, with all of the SECU-Rom horror stories I've heard (Can't modify root, can't burn, et cetera) I've thought of downloading a cracked version myself, despite the fact that I have a completely legal copy. I personally feel it's foolish of them to keep up the DRM when the game has ALREADY been cracked.

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Cheap people who don't want to pay for things. I personally would not want to have to buy Spore again just because I had the audacity to install it three times. If it is piracy to crack a game and install it for a fourth time, then hoist anchors.

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I do want something for my something.

Problem is, after the three installs, the something I paid MY something for becomes nothing. Doesn't matter if I wasn't done with it. It becomes nothing at all.

THEY want something for nothing (+-3 installs).

If you pay for, say, food. You expect to be allowed to finish it. If I then come and take it away after three bites you're going to tell me to fuck off. If you then see a way to have your cake and eat all of it without some cockbag taking it away from you wouldn't you take that route?

Christ...so much talk of cake!

Anyways, it's silly to hate pirates. Anyone that spends enough time and engages in varied activities eventually pirates something. A movie, a CD, a book, a song, old NES games and associated emulators. Piracy will never go away, ever. EVER! Stop trying to take a high ground by calling them cheap f!cks or whatnot. No one believes you.
Yo ho me hardies.

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Again I must bring up this point- Since EA's own statistics show that only 1% install more than 3 times, then why have the limit there in the first place?

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Edge Online Editor: WRONG

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* Install it on your XP box (1 install)

* Wipe the computer, install vista (2 install)

* Realise Vista is crap and go back to XP (3 install)

* PC becomes end of life and get a new one (now your screwed)

What about those that like to wipe and re-image their machine every 6 months? You will get 18 months tops out of Spore till you cant play game you paid for!

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VALVe is making a killing because other companies uses crappy DRM. Had he consider that some people like to bring the game to a friends for a one time use, or people reformat all the time. How about people that upgrade their video cards for newer games. There are bigger problems. If you want to hear more, just watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-uulRB1OmY

All That Needs To Be Said...

In a much larger version of the same picture, it can be seen that Campbell's pockets are bursting with cash.

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i disagree with that guy on a simple grounds.

how many people here or elsewhere ADMITTED they BOUGHT the game but DID NOT open it and then downloaded the pirate version so they could play with unlimited installs?

his point is moot right there, we are willing to pay for things we can USE, but EA selling this game like this is like a car dealer selling you a car with the terms that "once its out of gas you can't refill it"

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Better still, they are saying that once you park the car in more than 3 garages, you have to ask permission to park it in a fourth... This isn't even about copying, I'm not saying people should duplicate their cars, but they should be able to park it in any garage they so choose.

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i knew i was going somewhere with that :p you hit the nail dead on with that...

my minds been shot lately, to much overtime at work is killing me (but it pays the bills)

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Neither does he back his claim that DRM is not encouraging piracy with any numbes.  The fact is, a hell of a lot of people are pirating Spore, a lot more than pirate most games.  Forbes ( http://www.forbes.com/technology/2008/09/12/spore-drm-piracy-tech-securi... ):

 

(Begin quote)

As of Thursday afternoon, "Spore" had been illegally downloaded on file-sharing networks using BitTorrent peer-to-peer transfer 171,402 times since Sept. 1, according to Big Champagne, a peer-to-peer research firm. That's hardly a record: a popular game often hits those kinds of six-figure piracy numbers, says Big Champagne Chief Executive Eric Garland.

But not usually so quickly. In just the 24-hour period between Wednesday and Thursday, illegal downloaders snagged more than 35,000 copies, and, as of Thursday evening, that rate of downloads was still accelerating. "The numbers are extraordinary," Garland says. "This is a very high level of torrent activity even for an immensely popular game title."

(End quote)

 

Something is motivating an "extraordinary" number of people to pirate this game.  Therefore, there is something that separates it from even other "immensely popular" games.  If it's not the DRM, then I'd like to hear what Mr. Campbell thinks it IS.  If it were just about "the sort of cheap fuck who wants something for nothing" then people wouldn't be pirating Spore any more than any other game.

I'm not advocating piracy.  I haven't pirated Spore, and I don't intend to.  But neither do I intend to buy it.  And the reason I don't intend to buy it is the DRM.

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This guy is truly speaking as one who never pays for his own games.

-------------------------------------------------- I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

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 Truth.

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Everyone seems to be complaining about the 3 install limit, but I think the biggest problem with Spore's DRM is Securom itself. This software is no different from malware: It installs itself without users' permission, hides its' tracks, and interferes (sometimes severely) with the way in which the computer operates. Not to mention that it takes a reformat or a tech savvy user with the patience of a saint to remove it. The torrented version lacks both the securom malware AND the install limit. Gee EA, I wonder which copy would users rather play?

I was really looking forward to Spore since it was first announced, but no matter how amazing and revolutionary this game may or may not be, it's not worth infecting my computer with trash software just for the "privilege" of playing the game which I paid for.

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Personally, I bought GalCiv 2 mainly because it didn't require a CD key to play or even the CD. The same with SoaSE. That simple gesture of good faith on their part got them a returning customer. I regret that I bought Spore mainly because I have it installed on my PC and my sister's PC so we can both play it, which means we have only one install left between the two of us. What happens if my PC craps out or her PC craps out or it gets a virus or I upgrade my PC or get a laptop that can run it or something else, what, buy another copy of the game? Spend another $50? Hell no, I'm gonna download the pirated version. Because the pirated version has the stuff the customers should be getting in the first place. And I am sure that many PC gamers out there have similar situations of having a good gaming rig and family or whatever. Therefore, yes, the DRM encourages piracy.

I honestly feel sorry for Will Wright because this fiasco is really ruining an otherwise really good game.

Companies are still figuring out that DRM sucks

Anyone with a basic understanding of human psychology knows that DRM is fundamentally designed to control people's lives, people don't like businesses trying to control their lives, and people don't buy things from businesses they don't like if they can help it. Piracy keeps getting easier, DRM keeps getting harder, and as these companies spend more and more money for more and more specialised expertise... eventually it will simply not be worth it.

Have patience. You don't have to fight or protest or demonstrate or boycott. Just let nature take its course. We have been through this before. In the early days of PC gaming, you had to use the original disk to start the game, and people hated it so they found ways around it. Eventually, that practice went away.

It will happen again. DRM is a Bad Idea. You don't need to convince anyone or prove anything; it just is. If people want to chase that dead-end technology, let them. Meanwhile, you can either scoop up their unhappy customers with your own DRM-free product, or enjoy DRM-free products from businesses who already know it's a Bad Idea.

If you really, really want a DRM-encumbered product, should you boycott? No! This is all about you, remember? You should get what you want, DRM or no. Go right on out and buy the product. Don't take any kind of political stance or alter your life to meet some principle about DRM. It's an objectively bad idea. Just let people do what they do, and DRM will die - eventually - as the result of human action, but without requiring human intent.

That's the great thing about bad ideas. You can just leave them alone, and eventually they die... all by themselves.

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The only way I would touch Spore would be to actually go out, buy the game, then turn around and get the pirated version. That *seems* like the best way out, considering that against all possible logic the pirate version is held to be superior to the official release.

I'm afraid I haven't followed the laws too closely. Isn't there a law against circumventing the DRM? I can probably guarantee it's in the EULA in any case, so even this way out is probably "illegal" despite EA still getting their money.

Too bad. Looked like an interesting game, too, in its own way.

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This might help to understand the anti-circumvention laws in the US:

http://www.eff.org/wp/unintended-consequences-seven-years-under-dmca

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That's not the best way out, since it's still a sale.

The best way out is to not buy it, not download the pirate version, and complain to EA.

 

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Something else just occured to me.

When BioShock was released, there was the same complaints about the DRM. At the time, a lot of it was put down to the idea that it was the pirates that were complaining because the DRM hadn't been cracked yet.

However, I would like to point out that the DRM hasn't caused any problems for the pirates of Spore. For the pirates, a crack to break super restrictive DRM is just as easy to apply as a standard no-dvd crack. They don't have the three install limits, or any other problems, so I don't think they are the ones complaining. The mob that this person is referring to is composed mostly of those who have bought the game legally or would have preferred to buy the game legally but haven't due to the DRM. The pirates don't really need any publicity or public outcry, it doesn't do anything for them one way or another.

That means that these complaints are mostly made of the very people EA should be listening to. These are the future sales that are up for grabs. These are the ones saying they don't want to pirate games.

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I HOPE this guy is getting paid by EA here. If not, he's one of the dumbest people to offer an opinion on the subject.  

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Let's call EA's 1% correct, for now.

That's 1% in what, a week? Assuming that's constant, over 40% will have a problem by this time next year. Not so minor any more.

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I smell a big fat bribe from EA to the pockets of this assh*le...

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And this mob-pandering argument that DRM encourages piracy? Please. What encourages piracy is dishonesty. Either you're the sort of cheap f**k who wants something for nothing, or you're not.

I completely agree with him here, most of the anti-DRM comments I find online seem to come from those who just want to justify their own greed and immoral actions(i.e. "I wasn't going to buy it anyway" and "they won't miss out on one person like me not paying them" while on a torrent of a thousand others who feel the same).  Things like this just makes them more vocal...

Granted I hate DRM as well, like for example the limited number of Windows XP reinstalls and just what happens when Microsoft stops supporting it(I have a legit CD-key and can reinstall my legit copy of 98SE...), but it hasn't encouraged me to pirate things.  I use alternatives(i.e. Open Source/freeware) or don't use/play the darned thing at all.  At most, maybe sometime down the line I will have to get an online-activation crack.

If you don't like their DRM, do NOT buy or pirate it, and do NOT fool yourself into thinking that such unethical actions by these companies justifies your own unethical actions.

Re: Edge Online Editor: Spore DRM Does Not Encourage Piracy

Pulling this out of the extremes here, but it still fits.

So back in the 60's in the US, being in a sit in, which was just as illegal as piracy, in order to induce change and bring about equal rights wasn't justified? Gandhi and his followers, who practiced various forms of civil disobediance from boycotts all the way to marches and fasts in order to bring about independance and equal rights, weren't justified? Or have I just fooled myself into thinking that taking a stand through non-violent civil disobediance in order to cause change in a flawed or broken system is legitimized?

Yes, there are people who will pirate no matter what, and they are the mentioned "cheap f**ks who want something for nothing," but in the case of Spore the levels of piracy for this ONE title have skyrocketed past anything seen before. Combine that with what's happening on sites like Amazon and you can see that the consumer backlash against Spore is an obvious example of widescale unrest at how things are currently being done.

Re: Edge Online Editor: Spore DRM Does Not Encourage Piracy

We must be reading in different places, since I've seen those advocating piracy because of DRM roundly shouted down by those calling for boycott instead.

Companies consider cracks piracy too, even if that's what you wind up having to use to run the game you bought.

DRM encourages piracy, even if it's one person who decides to do so.  Whether this is due to problems it causes or restrictions it imposes or ethics it violates, it cannot be argued.  It's truth.

Re: Edge Online Editor: Spore DRM Does Not Encourage Piracy

Spore is only licensed (according to EA)? When Autodesk lost to the First Sale Doctrine I didn't think that sort of lie would still be around.

No matter what EA claims everyone bought the game and has the right to install it as many times they want on as many computers they want as long as they only actively use the software on a single computer at any given time. They also have the right to resell a valid copy.

The idea that a customer must be dependant on EA telephone support to future installs is ridiculous. As someone who still has the diskette from my original copy of Skyfox (an EA release) I would be amazed if anyone in the phone center has ever heard of the game. If it had DRM similar to Spore then I would have a useless diskette due to no fault of my own, just EA deciding the game is too old to support. Do they have an option to return install disks for a refund after they decide a game is too old? Let me try to remember how many computers I have owned since a Macintosh 128k or was it 512k? No matter it is definately more than three computers.

Re: Edge Online Editor: Spore DRM Does Not Encourage Piracy

I disagree with his premise, if I had the time, I'd pull up that fallacy webpage and pull out the fallacies in his argument. Basically he tries to boil the concept of a piracy down to his own definition that pirates are unethical under any circumstances and only do it because they want it for free.

The easiest way to disprove a theory like that is to take it to extremes. If the best game in the world was offered for $1, free instant delivery, you could pay any way you wanted including in cash, but it was also available via normal piracy methods, would every person who pirated spore also pirate that game? I seriously doubt it. In fact, I think almost no one would bother pirating it because the price is more then worth it and it's convienient. Now, again looking at limits, everything else stays the same, but it now costs one million dollars. Piracy reaches 100%. Back to start, everything else stays the same, it's still $1, but it can only be picked up in southern Utah, at a store behind a Denny's that is only open on alternating Thursdays. Again, piracy reaches almost 100%.

I postulate that the percentage of piracy is a function of value and price. Only the ones that wouldn't pay $1, I would expect a small handfull of peole, ar ethe ethical trash that he is villifying. What is likely is that the pirated copy provides a higher value, better product and lower price, and the convienience is about equal... download time vs picking it up in the store. The amount of value the pirated copy has would go down if it wasn't a better product, in this case if the official version wasn't so draconian then the pirated version would be so attractive.

Would it get rid of all of the piracy? Of course not, but the percentage of piracy would go down. While there are other factors involved, I beleive Sins of the Solar Empire follows this theory. By the pirated version not having a better product then the official version, it was able to keep it's value quotient high, and had better sales.

I've taken cold medicine, so I'm hoping this sound as good on (e-)paper as it did in my head...

Re: Edge Online Editor: Spore DRM Does Not Encourage Piracy

Indeed, you have won the thread here. DRM has nuked the value fo the game so much the guilt of pirating the game matches it.

 
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