Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

September 18, 2008 -

A member of Singapore's Parliament has questioned why Grand Theft Auto IV is permitted to be sold there.

As reported by The Electric New Paper, Christopher de Souza (left) suggested that underage players would get their hands on the game and questioned how the life of crime portrayed in the game fit in with government efforts to discourage drug use, crime and gangs:

The question ought really to be if this game should enter the market in the first place.

By way of response, Minister for Information Communications and the Arts Dr Lee Boon Yang pointed out that GTA IV's rating was consistent with that found in the United States, U.K., Australia and Japan:

When rating the game, the MDA [Media Development Authority] took careful consideration of the content, themes and storyline found in the game, recognising that adults are better equipped to discern fact from fiction.


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Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

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Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

I live in Singapore and don't usually agree with the Singapore government. But today they showed us that all the money they are paid and their impressive degrees aren't just for show.

 

The Singapore Government may be really conservative, but they are usually more pragmatic and suprisingly very rational when it comes down to it.

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

To what are you refering to exactly?  Because I know you aren't refering to this story.  As this particular Singapore politician has proven himself to be ratehr NOT rational.

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

The fact that so many politicians are even citing the Thailand murder case is beyond the relm of stupidity. It had nothing to do with the game except for the fact that he may have played it. Who cares? People murder all of the time, yet their treating this incident as if its never happened before.

Remember the so called "Teen sex beast" who played GTA 4? It turns out that he was 19(correct me if I'm wrong on this). They said that the debate on the effect that games have on children would resurface.

Tell me, since when have we ever considered 19 year olds to be kids!?

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

What really ticks me off is that they are still reffering to the Thailand murder!!!

What, did it officially become a fact that the game was responsible for the murder?

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

no, they just need something to pin it on, nevermind the fact Thailand's crime rates were already royally f***ed up well before the Atari 2600 was ever thought of, let alone GTA4

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

Two possibilities as far as the Jack comment goes.

1. It is an internet troll acting like a internet troll.

2. It is Jack and he has, yet again, broken the comment posting policy.  That is despite the fact that he stated that he has never broken comment policy. (ha!)

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

So by his definition, Jack Thompson is a terrorist

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

IIRC, Jack did try to get George W. Bush to ban violent games on behalf of the Al Qaeda by saying that said games were the reason why they were attacking us. Seeing as that didn't happen, Bush is smarter than Jack took him for

岩「…Ace beats Jack」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

explain exactly how this is a terrorist site?  Just because a site won't post only what you want it to post doesn't make it a terrorist site.  I see you are back off your meds.  This should get interesting...

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:Terrorism

Jack seems to be using the first definition. But the Dept. of Homeland Security wouldn't care about a single Florida Lawyer.

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

full version of said definition:

Terrorism means activities against persons, organizations or property of any nature committed by an individual or individuals acting on behalf of any foreign person or foreign interest:

1. that involve the following or preparation for the following:
a. use or threat of force or violence; or
b. commission or threat of a dangerous act; or
c. commission or threat of an act that interferes with or disrupts an
electronic communication, information, or mechanical system; and

2. when at least one of the following applies:
a. the effect is to intimidate or coerce a government or the civilian
population or any segment thereof, or to disrupt any segment of the
economy; or
b. it appears that the intent is to intimidate or coerce a government,
or further political, ideological, religious, social or economic
objectives or to express (or express opposition to) a philosophy
or ideology.

岩「…Ace beats Jack」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

oh, I give up.

United we Stand, Divided we fall.

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

Don't you mean 'Former lawyer'? ... well soon enough, anyway.

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Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

Jail the immature people for breaking the laws, and for not realizing they're not the mature audience the game was intended for. Mature does not only reflect age, but also being smart enough to not try anything that's in the game. Unless Souza suggests that every bit of entertainment should be fool-proof and influence-proof, which is impossible to do.

questioned how the life of crime portrayed in the game fit in with government efforts to discourage drug use, crime and gangs

And I sometimes question how dragons in games fit in with the lack of dragons in our world!

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

The bigger question is "Why would GTA IV be banned?". There is no reason to ban a game because of some stupid idiots who go out and do bad things. You can't blame the game for the actions of idiots.

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

Another question:  Why is Dennis McCauley allowed to run a terrorist site in the US?  Jack Thompson

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

Better question, why is a terrorist like you still allowed to reside in the US?

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

Right back at ya:

Why are you such a hypocrite to what you preach?

-Posting obsessively (insulting needlessly and copying filings)
-Distributing porn to places where anyone can see
-Vigilantism
-Refusing to get a life

David "DavCube" Gagnon, Mature Human Being, and You're NOT.

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

What the hell are you talking about man? Terrorist site? Has someone been slipping pills into your hot coffee or something?

Get a grip.

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

 

Christ his name says POE

United we Stand, Divided we fall.

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

I think you need to work on the L337 bit.

Oh, and reading comprehension.

Oh, and spamming up with multiple copies of the same reply.

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

It wasn't Oswald who shot me.

This must be true, since I am obviously the Ghost of Kennedy, it says so in the name box.

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

He posted as 'Dick Cheney' once and and Dennis confirmed it to be Jack.

ie: What's your point?

PS: Don't spam the same response to everyone in the reply block. It doesn't serve the same purpose.

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

His point is that "Poe" is a pretty obvious reference to Poe's Law, which states that "it is impossible to create a parody of fundamentalist Chritianity that somebody will not mistake for the real thing", or something to that effect. IOW, by using the name "Poe", the poster is pretty clearly telling us that it's a parody of Jack, and that someone will think it's really him (which, of course, they did).

Although I must say it's a pretty weak parody, IMHO.

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

Or possibly a reference to Edgar Allan Poe, who, it is suspected, died after being 'cooped', which is basically where people were forced to vote for something repeatedly after being intoxicated with drugs and alcohol?

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

you're the closest thing to a terrorist on this site, poe

岩「…Ace beats Jack」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

The only kind of "terrorism" that US laws defend against are violent acts meant to achieve political aims. Not personal threats or affronts. The Patriot act won't save you from people that taunt you.

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

his name says poe

United we Stand, Divided we fall.

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

John that right there is Slander. Are you really that much of a hypocrite or just clueless?

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

His name is poe, POE this is obviously a fake

United we Stand, Divided we fall.

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

Of course, what does that say about the fact he keeps coming back to post here?

I rest my case.

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In Singapore, GTA BAN YOU!!!

 

Seriously though, good on you Dr. Lee Boon Yang. Nice to see people think with their brains as opposed to...whatever the hell the vast majority of politicians are thinking with...

 

-Remember kids, personal responsibility is for losers! For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007) Just to name a few...

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Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

it's called "parental supervision?" god, why can't people get their acts together and montior what their kids play? it seems like history keeps repeating itsself

Jesus Jack Jones Thompson told me to do it!

Jesus Jack Jones Thompson loves you, so kill for his amusement so we can get money for the new "People's Temple of Jesus Jack Jones Thompson"

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

And from what I see, GTA actually has an anti-drug undertone - certainly a more realistic view than alot of politicians hand out.  Yeah, you drive around with a Jamaican sending clouds of smoke out of your car - but Niko always turns the stuff down, and it's made pretty clear that alot of the bad crap going on in in the lives of the people you do missions for is directly related to the use or trafficking of drugs - not necessarily because they are illegal, but also because they really screw with your head.

 

Granted, it's still not a game for kids.. but the suggestion that it encourages drug use just shows they haven't actually played it.

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

A better question is why isn't alcahol banned yet? I'm sure that alcahol is finding it's way to underaged drinkers. And drinking is only a small step away from beating hobos to death in a back ally with a shovel.

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

Go go Dr Lee Boon Yang! Of course it would be the guy who is SUPPOSED to defend artistic media. As it should be.

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

Maybe the government should work on the underage prostitution rings instead of worrying about a video game...

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

Erm, I believe you might be referring to some OTHER country. I've been in Singapore for 27 years and I've not even heard rumours of any underaged prostitution rings..

That said, it was just one silly MP who's probably got "Think of the Children!" on the brain..

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------------------------------------------------------------------------ Oooh! You mean there are people around with the mythical "Common Sense"?

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

Perhaps he was thinking of Thailand?

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

Probably Cambodia.

Re: Singapore Politician: Why Isn't GTA IV Banned?

 "The question ought really to be how these politicians get elected in the first place."

Fixed

 
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