Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy Treaty
Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy Treaty
September 23, 2008
The governments of the United States, Canada, European Union, Japan and other countries are negotiating an anti-piracy agreement that could have a massive impact on digital media consumers.
And they're doing it in secret.
At issue is the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA). As Ars Technica reports, public interest advocacy groups Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and Public Knowledge have filed suit in federal court against the U.S. Trade Representative, a part of the executive branch. The suit is essentially a demand for information about ACTA and is based upon the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).
Art Brodsky of Public Knowledge told Ars:
We believe they should conduct these negotiations with some transparency for what goes on, particularly when the talks are transparent to one side and not to the other (us). At a minimum, we should know how the US delegation is formulating its positions and have access to what they are doing.
Meanwhile, p2pnet reports criticism of ACTA by Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic (CIPPIC) counsel David Fewer:
If Hollywood could order intellectual property laws for Christmas, what would they look like? This is pretty close.
Hal Halpin, president of the Entertainment Consumers Association (ECA) has also expressed concern about ACTA:
Because ECA supports the balance that must exist between the rights of copyright owners and the right of copyrighted material consumers, we do not think it wise to include any portions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) in the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) currently being discussed by the US Trade Representative (USTR) and the Department of Commerce.
We are concerned that any DMCA language in ACTA may cause enormous, unforeseen negative implications in US law. That is why ECA, together with the Consumer Electronics Association, the US Internet Industry Association, Intel, Yahoo, Verizon and others, sent a memo asking the USTR to carefully consider that any discussions of “Internet issues” in ACTA be carefully circumscribed, consistent with U.S. law, and not include any portions of the DMCA.
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Is it time for another midnight bill signing?
Am I right that this could be the beginning of criminalising ALL consumers of all media (TV, disk based, digital internet etc) like is happening in the video game industry already? (unreasonable DRM).
Could this mean that we will be unable to really own absolutely any media?
While it's unknown as to what the final trade pact will entail, versions that have leaked out are very disturbing for consumer rights. It is believed through various sources that if passed, the pact will make it legal to search all digital devices as you cross the border. This means customs can search your laptop, ipod, usb memory stick, whatever in search of pirated materials.
Mention of a "three strikes" rule have been reported by numerous news sources where the entertainment industry will warn people who share pirated material and after three instances of being warned those individuals will be dropped by all internet providers. There hasn't been mention of any of the specifics of this of whether individuals will be able to appeal or fight their being accused.
Google, and many other online service providers fear that this pact as a whole will cripple the free flow of information across the internet and will cause issues for a technology that is rapidly advancing.
Brett Schenker
Online Advocacy Manager
the ECA
www.theeca.com
There are no words in any language to express how terrible that would be for tourism, businesspeople, and basically anyone entering/leaving any country.
It's too early to try and come up with some sort of clever statement. So instead I'll give the universal sign of disapproval.
*extends middle finger*
Boooooooooooooo!
Jesus Christ, you just get more and more infantile don't you?
Oh, and the reports said nothing whatsoever about Video Games, the guy posted a Video on YouTube last week of himself shooting a gun, the Police spoke to him and didn't remove his gun license. So much for 'Cranial Menus', this had been building for weeks, so, as usual, you are full of shit.
That maturity of yours is shining through now.
E. Zachary Knight
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Was that actually Thompson? If so, he's doing an absolutely wonderful job of proving exactly how infantile he is, posting the same reply 50 times? I've not seen anyone over the age of 12 pull a stunt like that before, but then, I've not seen anyone over 12 use the biggest font they could find either, all he needs to do now is start typing '!!1!11!' at the end of every sentence and he'll have the full set.
He's really working hard to prove our point for us now, which is kind of amusing :)
If banning is out of the question, you may as well just delete everything he posts and all the responses to it. With his impending disbarment, all he'll have left to do all day is troll here and go on Fox News.
i can make an htaccess file to ban his IP address if you wish, haha
If you are Thompson, then thanks for proving my point, but I don't think you are.
Oh it is him alright.
Aha... I'm seriously beginning to suspect dementia is creeping up in that case, it can, unfortunately, happen at his age.
So you do think that you are Jesus Christ.
This explains a great deal.
For once, you're right. Jesus isn't infantile. You, on the other hand, are. You're also illiterate. Must be tough to be 50-something and so self-obsessed.
David "DavCube" Gagnon, Mature Human Being, and You're Not.
PS: Try to sue for me saying that. I freaking dare you.
Funny thing is, the comment had a comma after the phrase 'Jesus Christ', and the word 'you' in it.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder with a side-order of a Messianic complex, quite frankly, the man needs help, and lots of it.
"Narcissistic Personality Disorder with a side-order of a Messianic complex, quite frankly, the man needs help, and lots of it."
Would you like fries with that mental breakdown? lol
Nah, i'll have a rootbeer float with mine thank you.
Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.
Jesus Christ is infantile? I don\'t think so. Next question.
Way to completely dodge the one asked. You are a true politician.
But is it not true that on Christmas we celebrate Jesus Christ's infantilism?
Just wait: I bet you a grand he'll start posting lolcats and rick rolling in a few months.
That would actually be less amusing, strangely enough.
Clearly the shooter was a gamer, we all know that everyone who comits an act of vilence must secretly be a gay vampire nazi gamer of the florida bar
Because 1) The news is too recent for much in the way of details to have emerged, and 2) none of the details that have emerged remotely hint at video games, thus making it mostly outside the scope of this website.
-Gray17
None of the reports I've read on said school shooting has mentioned games at all. And this site is, you know, a site that reports on games and the politics surrounding them. Ergo no games, no story. But fear not. Once someone, likely namely yourself, makes an ass out of themselves by drawing a connection between the shooting and games where likely none exists (like Virginia Tech) then there will likely be a story about it.
From what I've read the kid was a gun enthusiast. You know, with real guns. And he spent many hours at the gun range practicing with real guns. So do please not try to pull the sad and erroneous bullshit of "training" on video games. He has had actual practice.
Mind you it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the kid played video games of a violent nature. From what I've read he has a fascination with violence. Including watching videos of the Columbine shooting and the American bombing of Baghdad. But still that doesn't prove any sort of mind control abilities on behalf of video games, but is rather just further evidence that violent people like violent media, duh.
Well, Jack's post (assuming it is Jack) seems to imply a copycat shooting, which means that it's obviously not the fault of video games - it would be the fault of the media reporting on the original shooting. If only we didn't have newspapers or television, the violence would end!
Jeez, maybe it's because that story HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH VIDEO GAMES!!! Not every story is about you, Jack. Or about the stories you want this site to report. I seriously don't get it with you. On one hand, you're determined to shut Dennis and this site down because he doesn't exactly portray you in the most flattering light. On the other, you aggressively badger him to tell him about the stories he should be covering, including the ones related directly to you. Either you want the coverage or you don't. Which is it?
As with every direct question asked of you, I expect you to not acknowledge this and ignore it. That's fine. But somebody has to say it just to further point out how much of an ignorant ass you are. Douchebag.
Close side story of JT or a fake JT trying to cause drama. He just wants a rise out of people real or not, so don't give it to him.
Actually, I've heard from witnesses it was a "Warrior For God" who was visiting from Florida and had attended the Key Biscayne Presbyterian Church where he became a trained terrorist since childhood to kill everyone he preceived was homosexual.
...
Well, it's as trustworthy as your nonsense.
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
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it may have something to do with dennis posting in the shoutbox at 7:16 that he would be away from his computer for a few hours.
Which is exactly why Jack decided to show up. When daddy's away, the children will play...
Maybe it has to do with the fact that he's a human being and can't sit at his desk 24/7. You should take a lesson from that, sir.
Because it's Finland. This is the closest they get to 'exciting' there.
Freakin commy government officials.... THIS COUNTRY IS SUPPOSE TO BE RAN FOR THE PEOPLE!!!! Okay... I'm okay... Sorry.... WTF kind of government(s) hide this stuff from their people. If it was a secret plan to take out Iran, then I understand the secrecy, but them doing this with cooperate/consumer rights? WTF...
Can I get a law passed here that says all government transactions be publicized immediately unless it is a matter of national security? Wait, isn't that kind of like the freedom of information act?
The Freedom of Information Act was used by those organizations to begin with. After no response they were forced to take it to court.
Brett Schenker
Online Advocacy Manager
the ECA
www.theeca.com
*Ahem* Getting back on topic, this stinks to high heaven. When several governments are negotiating on something this big and they don't want to tell anyone about it, they've seriously got something to hide, and usually for good reason because there'd be a big hue and cry from the people about it if they were to know.
I wish the EFF, the ECA and the other groups luck on this lawsuit. But somehow, I don't see it happening. They can pretty much hide behind this administration's policy of denial of information, citing many of the same reasons no doubt.
First the government starts assuming control of our fininacial systems (Tthough granted, at the time there wasn't much of a choice. It was either that or total economic collapse.) Now they'are also trying to determin IP rights. This isn't good.
"This is how liberty dies: With thunderous applause."
*Ahem* Getting back on topic, this stinks to high heaven. When several governments are negotiating on something this big and they don't want to tell anyone about it, they've seriously got something to hide, and usually for good reason because there'd be a big hue and cry from the people about it if they were to know.
Yep. When even big corporations like Intel, Yahoo, and Verizon are expressing their concern over it, you know it's got to be big, and probably bad.
-Gray17
If they are concered though, is it bad for them, their consumers, both, or everyone?
Probably both them and their consumers. If a bunch of stuff is restricted, and the burden of enforcing it falls on them, both the consumer whose rights have been stolen, and the companies that have to pay out to make sure those rights are stolen lose out.
For example: If it becomes Verizon's job to police their customers, and Yahoo's job to filter their searches - all for the benefit of big media conglomerates; does anyone win except possibly big media?
-Gray17
When you have to do it in secret, then you're admitting your justifications won't stand up to scrutiny.
If your arguments can't stand up to scrutiny, then you must be doing something wrong.
If you're doing something wrong, then it must not be legal.
if it isn't legal, then you have no room to bitch about other people doing things illegally.
So there! :P
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
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Well played =P
When you do it in secret, you do it because you don't want people to know about it. It generally means you are going to subvert an enemy or are taking up an unpopular course of action. By your own logic, all military strategy meetings are illegal because they aren't broadcast to the world.
Hey, if it means the end of war, I can live with it. :)
nightwng2000
NW2K Software
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War is necessary and inevitable.
War is rarely necessary and almost never inevitable. Unless your wanting to make money off of it.
Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.
Think long term. As long as there are people to fight them, wars will occur.
War helps lower the population. I'm all for it.
That's grea,t why don't we start culling the population with you.
Exactly. War is mankind's own form of population control. It always has been, it always will be. To be honest, its even more necessary now since medical advances have prolonged the average lifespan and removed almost all major forms of biological population control(flu, smallpox, colera, etc) and even as nature tries to keep up by introducing other methods like AIDS and the various cancers, we're always right on its heals in slowing it down.
Imagine a world with no war and medical sciences like they are now. We'd be overpopulated in a decade and instead of people dying in conflict they'd be starving in the streets. Then that mass starvation would almost positively lead to the largest war that humanity has ever seen, and I'd bet money that it would involve nukes on a large scale. If not actively than as a constant threat towards non-nuclear nations to make them give up their foodstuffs to the nuclear powers.
War is ineveitable. Unless you want your entire life to be dictated like something out of Logan's Run, where you have a predetermined lifespan and only certain people can have kids, war is the only REAL form of population control that mankind has. Without some form of consistent population control, populations explode on a mass scale and resources dwindle to the point that starvation brings that population down again. I'll you right now that I'd rather die of a gunshot wound, or even bleed to death, more than I would the extremely slow and agonizing death that is starvation.
You grossly overstate the number of people who die in war. In World War II, the bloodiest war in the history of mankind (and nothing comes quite close), only 73 million people died. Yet the population increase in the last 5 years alone is 400 million people.
If war is a means of population control, it is a very very bad one.
It may be a bad one, but it is still the only major form that mankind has in this day and age. AIDS and Cancer are trying to pick up the slack created by modern medicine eliminating or pacifying previously fatal diseases, but can't keep up at all. Either we need to stop advancing medical science and people realize that humans aren't supposed to live to 100, or we need a working form of steady population control to come in and do something. Until that happens, war is the best we've got.
A very Thompsonesque line of logic
Yes, John Bruce does like to hide his true stance and beliefs from the general public because if the general public were given the Truth, The WHOLE Truth, and Nothing But The Truth, John Bruce's arguments would fall apart completely. Hence, he does all he can to prevent any significant, serious, opposition from having their counterarguments heard and debated at the same time he makes his claims.
Remember the Freedom Awards and how he made certain any opposing opinions were quelled by misinformation?
And he's already announced that another he'll be speaking with another "Parent's Group", but because he knows his claims can't stand up to scrutiny, he wouldn't say who the group was.
Not to mention his statement on GP that he believed that, in essence, anyone who opposed his stances should be legally put to death. Again, he knows his arguments can't stand up to scrutiny, so he supports killing off his opposition, even legally.
So, yes, the stance of doing things in secret, in part or whole, is very much like John Bruce.
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
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No. *Your* stance, the one that secrecy magically equals crime, is the one that is like Thompson in its reasoning. Like him, you have built your position on a pile of lies and unwarranted assumptions, and used it to reach a false conclusion that you cling to because you take comfort in the illusion of simplicity that it provides you.
Does the phrase "tongue in cheek" mean anything to you?
Yes. In this instance it means "what nightwng2000 was not doing".
What purpose would plublicizing the negotiations serve? As far as I can tell, all they would engender is more whining.
They should publicize the negotiations because the citizens of these countries have a right to know what kind of agreement their government is making so they can hold their government accountable. The outcry (or as you put it "whining) is the people telling the government what they're doing wrong, and the government should listen since democracy is a government by the people and for the people. When the government starts trying to sneakily regulate its citizens lives, something needs to change.
It would allow consumer interest groups to make some effort to make sure that consumers rights are respected, not just the desire of companies to maximize their profits.
-Gray17
Aye, but what would they do? We'll have to find out about it when the treaty is eventually signed or the treaty organization dissolves. "Consumer interest groups" can't sit in on these meetings. They can't make descisions above the negotiators. The only thing they'll do is what they're best at: whining.
No, it isn't "outcry". It's whining. Outcry means that you are actually willing to make a principled stand and make principled descisions. The gaming community and consumer interest groups prove themselves completely incapable of such actions. What inevitably happens is that somebody will come out saying that "consumer interests are not being protected by companies" and they'll ask the government to step in, becuase God forbid they take any steps to solving their own problems.
If the tech community actually stood by principles and gave the tech companies some reason to believe that they won't pirate their games, we wouldn't be in this mess with DRM now. But that's not how gamers operate. No. Gamers go forth and pirate when they get unhappy. "Haha! Take that tech companies! I'm ripping you off and giving you no reason to treat me like anything other than a criminal! Now what'll you do?"
If pirating were as big a deal as you make it out to be, game companies wouldn't be able to make any money. Yes, there are some people who won't pay for anything. There are always a few bad apples in any group; that doesn't mean you should screw the entire group over. You'll always have pirates no matter how hard you try to stop them; the best game companies can do is make games consumers are willing to buy and treat those consumers as valued customers.
But who cares? This has absolutely nothing to do with the article. The article is about the government secretly trying to sneak regulations onto its citizens. Do you think we could just change the treaty once we've already signed it? We need to change it now before it gets implemented incorrectly. And it's an outcry. Complain enough, pester them enough, show them exactly what's wrong with their agreement, and they may change it. What do you want to see happen? The companies and consumers can't make their own treaty. They can't march into the discussions and rewrite the treaty themselves. They have to try to convince politicians that their way is the right way. How do you convince people to change their minds? By arguing with them. It's not whining if they're actually presenting legitimate arguments and trying to convince the politicians to change their minds.
The video game industry has done a pretty good job of standing up for consumer rights. How many unconstitutional laws haven't they brought to court and gotten struck down? The laws wouldn't have been struck down without the game industry and consumers making a fuss and actually doing something.
If you don't want to have someone tell the government what's wrong with their agreement and possibly get changes made that respect your rights as a consumer, go ahead and be apathetic. I'd prefer to have my government accountable to me.
The article is about secret treaty negotiations. We don't know what's in it. You've assumed that because it's the government, and it's anti-piracy, it means that the average consumer is going to get screwed.
Again, who are you that you can change treaties? I've never, ever, heard of somebody changing something because people complained enough. The human race is not howler monkeys. We do not decide agreements by shouting at each other. In order to have power, you have to have legitimate power to weild. The power to shout is not legitimate power.
The game industry did strike down the laws, but the consumers are incidental. The hardcore gaming community, which is usually the people who throw a fit every time the word "piracy" is mentioned, is not a serious demographic to be contended with. It's a subculture based on the web. The gaming companies and the ECA, groups that are far more unified than the gaming community, are the people who strike such laws down. The consumers sat back and threw their poo.
Piracy is important. Whenever something happens in a gaming company/to a game that the hardcore gaming community doesn't like, it reacts by spiking piracy, just to "stick it to the man". This is theft, regardless of your motivations, and the companies do not like it.
We don't know what's in it.
We have some idea of what is being considered for it from other stories on the issue.
http://arstechnica.com/search.ars?Tag=acta
It's enough to warrant some concern. This isn't simply a matter of video game companies. It's a matter of pretty much any form of media. So we're also talking about the RIAA and MPAA pushing to get their wish lists into the treaty and so forth.
-Gray17
If we have some idea of what's in it then somebody is lying through their teeth. You can't have "secret" treaty negotiations where everybody in the outside world knows what's going on. Either this entire "scandal" is based on a lie or it's based on bad assumptions.
And go figure. The people being stolen from are the ones being consulted.
Did you actually bother to read any of the articles I linked to there? They give a much clearer view of the whole situation than GP does. That information does leak out does not mean that those doing the negotiation aren't trying to keep it under wraps.
And go figure. The people being stolen from are the ones being consulted.
Yes, that is understandable. The problem comes in that the people that make sure people's rights get protected aren't being consulted. This treaty affects multiple parties, and only some of the parties affected are being consulted.
That a crime rate exists does not forfeit my right to be protected from invasion of privacy, and illegal search and seizure. Nor does it forfeit my right to fair use of my property. Transparency in the whole process is needed to make sure an attempt is not made to take away my rights. Particularly as the later in the process it is, the more difficult it becomes to fight it if need be.
-Gray17
Nor does it grant free right to piracy. Pirates should be caught and punished, using established principles of evidence. DRM should be scaled back, but boycotts and negotiation with consumer groups should be employed, not government force.
Nor does it grant free right to piracy. Pirates should be caught and punished, using established principles of evidence. DRM should be scaled back, but boycotts and negotiation with consumer groups should be employed, not government force.
Except that this treaty has nothing to do with scaling back DRM. It has everything to do with the extent to which our rights are restricted, and privacy is invaded, in the name of protecting the interests of corporations.
This isn't a call for government to intervene against the industry, it's a call for transparency on the part of government as it attempts to help the industry against a legitimate problem. But that a legitimate problem exists doesn't mean that everyone forfeits their rights. There's a middle ground, and it won't be reached if the consumers are ignored in the process like they currently seem to be.
-Gray17
Woop, "Dark Sovereign" has opinions. And he's going to STATE THEM. No matter how asinine they are. Or should I say "whine" them.
Anon, I may disagree with Dark on alot of things, but it is his right to say them.
Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.
Enough people complained to get Family Guy and Jericho back on the air.. so complaining does work sometimes! :P
Thank you for that well reasoned reply. Someone had to do it.
I want my government representatives to represent me. To speak for me. But they can't do that adequately unless they know what I think about the issues they're presuming to speak about. I don't want them deciding that they know what's best for me and articulating my "interest" behind my back.
Transparency is the best way to hold a government accountable, we can't prevent misuse of authority if we're not allowed to see what's going on. We need to speak up and make our views known, especially on a subject we're passionate about.
Sorry but yes it is an outcry. This is an international treaty that my government is negotiating. The consumer interest groups that help protect my interests, have just as much right to give input on their matter as the industry groups that help protect their interests. The industry groups are getting to give their input, and my groups aren't. Given the potential for abuse of my rights, and invasion of my privacy I have every right to know what treaty my government is negotiating so that I can hold them accountable.
-Gray17
Really? What powers do you, or the consumer interest groups, yield that could be used in negotiations between nations?
The power to pressure and change my government. It's called being a voter.
-Gray17
Try voting for once in your life.
I do. Sadly, I don't vote for negotiators. Neither do you.
We do vote for the people that ratify treaties that are negotiated. We also vote for the people that appoint those negotiators.
-Gray17
This is the same kind of logic people use when they tell the stringy little kid getting the shit kicked out of him by the jocks to not be a whiner who goes to the teacher, isn't it?
Except the kid is a cleptomaniac and the jocks are stealing their money back.
Clearly, then, the solution is for the jocks to beat the crap out of any skinny kid they come across because they might have done something.
More like a handful of kid are kleptomaniacs, so the jocks beat up all of the kids in the school.
What the... are you some sort of SecuROM plant or just ignorant? I would put good money on a bet that most gamers buy the majority (if not 90%+) of their games. The pirates only make up a small percentage of the people playing the game. There's no reason the majority of gamers should have their rights violated because of a few people. Justifying the violation of gamers' rights because of a few pirates is like making a law that no one can be outside after 11 PM because a few people steal cars at night. It's a ridiculous over-reaction. Sure piracy is a problem, but violating the paying customers' rights won't stop piracy.
Check some of my past statements. I agree that DRM should be scaled back. But complete and total opposition to an anti-piracy treaty is not the same thing as fighting DRM.
And that 90% number? It should be 100%. If 90% buy their games, then 10% are stealing them.
Look again. I think the majority of gamers buy their games legitimately. This majority probably buys at least 90% of the games they have. I leave 10% as questionable only because of emulators and the downloading of out-of-production games.
Have you ever heard of a company called Stardock? They've made hit games such as Galactic Civilizations and Sins of a Solar Empire. The only copy protection they have is a simple CD key, and the CD key isn't even necessary to install the game. The only thing you need the key for is online registration to get patches and other bonus downloads. And you know what? Stardock makes money. They make good money. And gamers are more likely to remain loyal to a company that treats them like valued customers. I'm much morel likely to buy a Stardock game than an EA game simply because I feel that they appreciate me and don't assume I'm a criminal.
Do you want to have your iPod confiscated when you cross the border simply because you *gasp* ripped a CD you own to it?! Nobody should be allowed to rip legitimately purchased CDs to their MP3 players! At least, that's what the RIAA wants the rule to be. Or you could follow EA's line of thinking and never be able to resell a game because that copy is registered specifically to you. Do you really want these people telling you how and when you can use your stuff? If you don't, you may consider demanding that the government tell its people about its actions and listen to them in regards to this anti-piracy treaty.
And 95% who enter a store buy things and 5% stuff them in their jacket. Does that mean every bag that comes and goes from a store should be checked? Most busisness factor theft into their budget. It happens.. it sucks, but it happens.. but you dont go calling every customer who comes into your store a thief or you'll no longer have any more customers coming in the door.
This affects a lot more people than just gamers. But I guess you've got some kind of tunnel vision issue or something.
It would give the consumer and organizations the ability to contact elected officials and voice their pleasure or displeasure with the trade pact. Their elected officials would then be able to decide if they wanted to act upon their constituents' concerns.
Brett Schenker
Online Advocacy Manager
the ECA
www.theeca.com
Thank you, Brett. This is precisely the point.
So now we have Ninja lawmaking? So much for transparency.
We have a troll
I'm a massacre chaser? This site, GamePolitics.com, is a massacre facilitator. It underreports the nexus between violent games and school shootings because it's "bad business" for the video game companies that spawn these massacres. Hal Halpin has blood on his hands, and this site can't have that reported, now can it? Jack Thompson
U.S. Link to Finland School Shooting
By Mike Nizza
Tags: crime, education, violence
Vague connections between Finland’s school massacre and shootings in the United States were quickly made and discussed, but today brought a direct connection, courtesy of The Philadelphia Inquirer:
Mr. Farrell added another connection, saying that the two boys “may have also had a mutual obsession with Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold,” the Columbine shooters. The boy’s computer was now being scrubbed for further details.
Montgomery County District Attorney Bruce Castor, who is in charge of the Pennsylvania case, has uncovered “a cadre of people who idolize Klebold and Harris” during his investigation, and said that the shooter in Finland, Pekka-Eric Auvinen, might have been one of them.
Still, another tie between the two plots seemed sure to invite far more controversy: The Inquirer reported that the two teenagers were both fans of a classic video game called “Hitman.”
EZK: I just deleted 50 repeated posts from you and did not like it. Don't do it again.
You just proved yourself totally wrong you idiot, basically they say that these shooters were copycatting OTHER SHOOTERS, not video games. Christ you don't even read the own garbage you post on here.
You're a dirty lying asshole and you don't have any idea what the hell you're talking about. You started babbling about the VT massacre claiming it was video games before they eventually found out the shooter was not a big gamer even, but hardly ever played games if at all.
which is prolly bullswap with the hitman story kind of like jack thompson's career. a whole, who really believes the crap comming out of their mouth kind of thing. it is whatever makes them money.
i will wait for the offical police report, which will most likely say they only have the youtube video to go off of, or that the kid played some barbie game...
And where did that idolisation of Klebold and Harris come from?
Oh yes, idiots like you who keep dragging them up as a flagship for your personal campaign for self-promotion.
There's blood on your hands Jack, if people like you hadn't kept promoting their cause, and thus helping them to achieve exactly what they wanted, i.e. fame, purely for the sake of your own, then interest in them wouldn't be nearly what it is, and they would have been consigned to history as just another couple of nutcases.
I hope you are proud of yourself.
oddculture.com/2007/11/07/the-pekka-eric-auvinen-manifesto/
ATTACK INFORMATION
Event: Jokela High School Massacre.
Targets: Jokelan Lukio (High School Of Jokela), students and faculty, society, humanity, human race.
Date: 11/7/2007.
Attack Type: Mass murder, political terrorism (altough I choosed the school as target, my motives for the attack are political and much much deeper and therefore I don’t want this to be called only as “school shooting”).
Location: Jokela, Tuusula, Finland.
Perpetrator’s name: Pekka-Eric Auvinen (aka NaturalSelector89, Natural Selector, Sturmgeist89 and Sturmgeist). I also use pseydonym Eric von Auffoin internationally.
Weapons: Semi-automatic .22 Sig Sauer Mosquito pistol.
What do I hate / What I don’t like?
Equality, tolerance, human rights, political correctness, hypocrisy, ignorance, enslaving religions and ideologies, antidepressants, TV soap operas & drama shows, rap -music, mass media, censorship, political populists, religious fanatics, moral majority, totalitarianism, consumerism, democracy, pacifism, state mafia, alcholohics, TV commercials, human race.
What do I love / what do I like?
Existentialism, self-awareness, freedom, justice, truth, moral & political philosophy, personal & social psychology, evolution science, political incorrectness, guns, shooting, BDSM, computers, internet, aggressive electronic and industrial rock & metal music, violent movies, , FPS –computer games, sarcasm, irony, black humour, macabre artm mass & serial killer cases, natural disasters, eugenics
Natural Selector’s Manifesto
How Did Natural Selection Turn Into Idiocratic Selection?
Today the process of natural selection is totally misguided. It has reversed. Human race has been devolving very long time for now. Retarded and stupid , weak-minded people are reproducing more and faster than the intelligent, strong-minded people. Laws protect the retarded majority which selects the leaders of society. Modern human race has not only betrayed its ancestors, but the future generations too. Homo Sapiens, HAH! It is more like a Homo Idioticus to me! When I look at people I see every day in society, school and everywhere… I can’t say I belong to same race as the lousy, miserable, arrogant, selfish human race! No! I have evolved one step above!
Naturality has been discriminated through religions, ideologies, laws and other mass delusion systems. Individual, who is going through his/hers natural power process and trying to live naturally, but is being told that the way he acts or thinks is wrong and stupid, will usually have some reactions which might be considered as “psychological disorders” by the establishment. In reality they are just natural reactions to the disruption of natural power process. They will have some of the following (depending on individual’s personality): feelings of inferiority / superiority, hostility, aggression, frustration, depression, self-hatred / hatred towards other people, suicidal / homicidal thought etc… and it is completely normal.
Humans are just a species among other animals and world does not exist only for humans. Death and killing is not a tragedy, it happens in nature all the time between all species. Not all human lives are important or worth saving. Only superior (intelligent, self-aware, strong-minded) individuals should survive while inferior (stupid, retarded, weak-minded masses) should perish.
There is also another solution to the problem: stupid people as slaves and intelligent people as free. What I mean is that they who have free minds, are capable of intelligent existential and philosophical thinking and know what justice is, should be free and rulers… and the robotic masses, they can be slaves since they do not mind it now either and because their minds are on so retarded level. The gangsters that now rule societies, would of course get what they deserve.
Of course there is a final solution too: death of entire human race. It would solve every problem of humanity. The faster human race is wiped out from this planet, the better… no one should be left alive. I have no mercy for the scum of earth, the pathetic human race.
Collective Deindividualization: Totalitarianism & Delusions Of Democracy
Collective deindividualization is a phenomenon where individual will be trained as part of the mindless herd controlled by state, corporation, church or some other organization, group, ideology, religion or mass delusion system and adopt it’s rules, morality and codes of conduct. This phenomenon has been familiar in all despotic, authoritarian, totalitarian, monarchist, communist, socialist, nazi, fascist and religious societies troughout history. Also, the modern western democratic republics have the same phenomenon. It is just done so that people will think they are free and don’t realize they are being enslaved. Majority of people in society are weak-minded and ignorant retards, masses that act like programmed robots and accept voluntarily slavery. But not me! I am self-aware and realize what is going on in society! I have a free mind! And I choose to be free rather than live like a robot or slave. You can say I have a “god complex”, sure… then you have a “group complex”! Compared to you retarded masses, I am actually godlike.
Totalitarian governments rule people through education system, consumerism, mass media, monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force (police, military) and laws discriminating people who think differently than the majority. Democracy… you think democracy means freedom and justice? You are wrong. Democracy is a dictatorship of the moral majority… and the majority is manipulated and ruled by the state mafia. Modern western democracy has nothing to do with freedom or justice; it is totalitarian and corrupted system. Laws are made over the heads of the people and people are being brainwashed to support the system and connected to the institutional structures immediately after their birth. Societies are being ruled by manipulative and charismatic politicians who only care about the interests of majority, and who do not base their decisions on reason but emotions and feelings of the masses. These masses let the authorities of state to make all the important decisions for them. The masses will get an education, they study, get a job, go to work and vote in elections. They think they are free and don’t criticise or question the system. They have become robots. It is like a constructed mechanism in mind, that leaves little choice for an individual to think, talk and act independently.
Three Kinds Of Humans
There are three kinds of human personality types in this world:
1)individualistic human (3% of the world population)
2)manipulative human (3% of the world population)
3)mass human (94% of the world population)
#1 & #2 type of personalities are intelligent, creative and self-aware. They have chosen bit different paths paths. #3 type of personalities are less intelligent and less creative, weak-minded people controlled by #2 type of personalities. The percentages are only estimations though but are based on Gaussian distribution and history of human race and how humans have organized into societies. And this is the way it has always been ever since humans started to organize into communities.
Another way how to divide people is bit different but is based on the same facts, human nature and history. The division is based on the level of intelligence and quality of mentality:
1)intelligent (3% of the world population)
2)slightly retarded, so called “normal people” or “robots” (94% of the world population)
3)highly retarded, “vegetables” (3% of the world population)
Total War Against Humanity
Hate, Im so full of it and I love it. That is one thing I really love. Some time ago, I used to believe in humanity and I wanted to live a long and happy life… but then I woke up. I started to think deeper and realized things. But it was not easy to become existential… knowing as much as I know has made me unhappy, frustrated and angry. I just can’t be happy in the society or the reality I live. Due to long process of existential thinking, observing the society I live and some other things happened in my life… I have come to the point where I feel nothing but hate against humanity and human race.
Life is just a meaningless coincidence… result of long process of evolution and many several factors, causes and effects. However, life is also something that an individual wants and determines it to be. And I’m the dictator and god of my own life. And me, I have chosen my way. I am prepared to fight and die for my cause. I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection.
You might ask yourselves, why did I do this and what do I want. Well, most of you are too arrogant and closed-minded to understand… You will proprably say me that I am “insane”, “crazy”, “psychopath”, “criminal” or crap like that. No, the truth is that I am just an animl, a human, an individual, a dissident.
I have had enough. I don’t want to be part of this fucked up society. Like some other wise people have said in the past, human race is not worth fighting for or saving… only worth killing. But… When my enemies will run and hide in fear when mentioning my name… When the gangsters of the corrupted governments have been shot in the streets… When the rule of idioracy and the democratic system has been replaced with justice… When intelligent people are finally free and rule the society instead of the idiocratic rule of majority… In that great day of deliverance, you will know what I want.
Long live the revolution… revolution against the system, which enslaves not only the majority of weak-minded masses but also the small minority of strong-minded and intelligent individuals! If we want to live in a different world, we must act. We must rise against the enslaving, corrupted and totalitarian regimes and overthrow the tyrants, gangsters and the rule of idiocracy. I can’t alone change much but hopefully my actions will inspire all the intelligent people of the world and start some sort of revolution against the current systems. The system discriminating naturality and justice, is my enemy. The people living in the world of delusion and supporting this system are my enemies.
I am ready to die for a cause I know is right, just and true… even if I would lose or the battle would be only remembered as evil… I will rather fight and die than live a long and unhappy life.
And remember that this is my war, my ideas and my plans. Don’t blame anyone else for my actions than myself. Don’t blame my parents or my friends. I told nobody about my plans and I always kept them inside my mind only. Don’t blame the movies I see, the music I hear, the games I play or the books I read. No, they had nothing to do with this. This is my war: one man war against humanity, governments and weak-minded masses of the world! No mercy for the scum of the earth! HUMANITY IS OVERRATED! It’s time to put NATURAL SELECTION & SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST back on tracks!
Humanity is Overrated
Justice renders to everyone his due.
Is that 3% thing from the perspective of any one person? I know with an IQ of 143 that I am in the top portion of the world population, but I wouldn't say top 3%, and I definitely am not a robot. I am a crazy guy that just likes to push buttons until companies like EA, GM, Toyota, Activision, or whoever is doing something stupid, reacts and says something stupid that makes them look extremely bad, then forward that to different resources for them to use against those people.
Since this is his manifesto, I'm think it's his own perspective
Wow. This school kid, in Finland, is better spoken than JT.
I lament that he did not bring these issues up with anyone willing to help him work through them. Self destructive behaviour like this isn't productive.
Dennis is right to leave this out of GP's rss feed. Nothing to do with games. It's too late to bring the blame on the philosphers I guess.
Hey Jack, here's lesson in Journalism 101: the least relevant information goes at the end of the article. Where's the reference to Hitman? At the end! The writer doesn't think the information significant, so he puts it at the end. If there had been a little less space in the newspaper that paragraph probably wouldn't even be part of the story. The important factor in the shooting was the boys' obsessions with the Columbine shooters, not Hitman.
Also, you really shouldn't leave out the last line the article. You know, the one that says "Let the debate over video games and violence, which flared after the Virginia Tech massacre, begin anew." The writer doesn't even think that video games have a connection to the case; that's why he added the last line. By removing it, you obviously try to make it appear as if this article supports your views.
Finally, you're not going far enough back with your cause and effect. Before school shootings, we had workplace shootings and domestic violence shootings and who-knows-why shootings. Did you know that people have been shooting each other for hundreds of years? Video games have only been around for 25 years. And violent crime amongst minors (and in general) has gone down since video games became really popular. Don't believe me?
http://youthviolence.edschool.virginia.edu/violence-in-schools/national-...
Guess what? Those numbers come from places like the Department of Justice and the FBI. So are they wrong, too? Or are they part of the conspiracy with T2, the ESA, and the Roswell aliens to silence your crusade? Or maybe, just maybe, those numbers are actually 100% factual and your arguments have no grounds.
Hey massacre chaser, nothing to do with the Anti-Piracy topic.
Now look, he was obsessed with the Columbine Killers. Video games there? Noooooooooooooooooope. Hey idiot, go and shoo. Go to a place where you are liked...hmmmmmm ummmm yeah, you aren't very liked are you?
50 posts, Mr. Thompson? That isn't professional.
And you say WE'RE the obsessed ones... so GP isn't reporting it enough. So aren't a billion other blogs on the internet. That's not your problem.
David "DavCube" Gagnon, Sane Human Being, and You're Not.
Jack,
This is why nobody believes you when you say your only agenda is to stop the sale of violent video games to minors. You go on and on full retard about school shootings before the bodies are even cold and any sort of details are in.
By the way...the shooter was 22. He's hardly a minor. The press is reporting he died today.
They should also report that Jack Thompson is still a retarded douchebag and an incompetent attorney.
My first day back from my exile by the combination of Hurricane Gustav and Comcast(I had to wait until today for Comcast to fix my cable/internet service, as my power came back), and I see that Jack Thompson is chasing hearses to the funeral home(as usual) and spreading his bullshit again(as usual).
Ironic that he'll be on Penn & Teller: Bullshit!.
Anyway, underreported? If it were true, that would be a good thing considering that school shootings are highly overreported and overanalyzed by talking heads, bubble-headed bleached blonde news reporters, and morons with nothing better to do with their time like yourself.
Practice what you preach, jabroni: Grow up and get a life.
(Starts playing Back in Black by AC/DC)
I can't wait till that guy gets banned...
Not me. I'm hoping all his nonsense is gathered together and used to file a massive conspiracy to commit criminal fraud charge against him. After all, part of the definition of Fraud is to use lies and deceit to deprive individuals of a Right (no specific Right defined). I'd love to see him convicted and face hundreds of years in prison, solitary confinement especially, for the overwhelming mountains of evidence and acts that he's built up over the decades.
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Nightwng2000 has also updated his MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl
Oh sorry, I should have specified... the JT post happened after i refreshed my screen. I means the guy that repeated the same post over and over again.... wait... still could be either....
The one that copied and pasted the same text and posted it like 20 times on this article, there we go, JT/Fake JT hasnt dont that yet.
Jack Thompson guilty of fraud? Lying to try to get legislation passed doesn't constitute as fraud.
Oh and why do you want to see him jailed? So he insults us and makes crazy comments, big whoop.
Lying to government officials to get the legislation passed, legislation which CAN be used to deprive individuals of their Rights, IS fraud under the aforementioned definition.
A single instance may not be treated so strictly, but repeated lies and deceit should be more than enough evidence.
An individual who falsely claims to a government entity that a video game contains "gay sex" (and whether one sees "gay sex" as bad or not is irrelevant) when it doesn't actually contain such material, gay or otherwise, has lied to the government entity to manipulate the government.
An individual who repeatedly lies to and deceives government and citizens alike to increase the chance of the legislation he supports to be passed for the purpose of depriving individuals of a Right is further evidence.
An individual who has falsely identified himself to citizens, government officials, and media as a First Amendment Expert, let alone a School Shooting Expert in the attempt to deceive citizens and government officials to push through legislations that deny citizens their Rights is further evidence against him.
And, remember, we are talking multiple instances for each of those situations.
So, yes, prison time for conspiracy to commit mass fraud through lies and deceit to deprive individuals of a Right. Unlike him, I'm only suggesting he be held criminally responsible for his actions. Not legally executed for speaking his beliefs.
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Nightwng2000 has also updated his MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl
"either this is yet another troll with nothing better to do than impersonate Thompson, or the original necrophile's idiocy has reach such an extent that he can't even read the large red headlines on this site he's obsessing over."
You say that as if he hasn't been doing exactly that for the past... i don't know, three years.
Mr Thomson,
Could you just put your documents in a PDF file or something, and AT LEAST post it on a RELEVANT page of this blog?
Also, were you always as stupid as you seem from your writings or sis you suffer some unfortunate brain-related injury later in life?
Thanks...
"EZK: I just deleted 50 repeated posts from you and did not like it. Don't do it again."
C'mon, JOB SECURITY! :)
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Nightwng2000 has also updated his MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl
I wouldn't mind if this was my full time job. As it satnds, anytime spent deleting crap for John Bruce, is time away from what I do to make money.
E. Zachary Knight
http://www.editorialgames.com
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
MySpace Page: http://www.myspace.com/okceca
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1325674091
Honestly EKZ, you expect Jack to listen to what you say? Something tells me that won't happen.
LOL! Jack Attack!
You hear that Jack that is PWNED slapped on your ugly shitface!
I kinda think this whole ordeal with the DRM and pircay and what not is getting blown out of proportion. Also, Jack or troll, or whatever you are, shut up. You already failed your point and not to mention, i already one upped you in my email two weeks ago. Remeber? fleming_ze@wvwc.edu? You responded by threating me.
but anyways back to the topic at hand.
How bad could this get?
What did he send to you? Just curious...
Wouldn't mind sending him a letter myself. Nothing threatening, just wanting to argue his "points" and add my name to the list of people pointing out the holes in his arguments. As a person living in the same state (though thankfully almost as far as possible from him here) I'm getting tired of his rants and random suing of people for his gain or to just try and silence anyone that is in argument with him and his methods. Can you send me his email address to mine if possible? I'm at Zen@Zenspath.com. Thanks.
You can find his information [GP: edited out] Stop posting directly or indirectly, people's contact info.
Thank you :) I'll try and keep it civil on my end...not really expecting much in return though.
Really, you shouldn't. It's a waste of time. I sent, like, 2 Microsoft-Word-pages and i got two sentences in return. TWO SENTENCES. He's a freaking infant.
Jack might just be a little frustrated because he hasn't had a story about him in a while.
Getting back to topic, anything that the government is doing in secret, especially with other countries, can't be good. I hope this lawsuit works out, but I won't be holding my breath...
He's becoming a memory... and that bothers his superiority complex.
Isn't that the understatement of the year.
It's more like a god complex.
Ah yes lets destroy the gray areas in copy right and make infringement a criminal offense instead of a civil one >>
I is fuzzy brained mew =^^=
http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/
(in need of a bad overhaul)
Yeah, we already have the music industry stating that just making a copy of a cd for yourself, or ripping it to your computer for an MP3 player makes us a criminal in their eyes. The movie industry fights us on making a copy of a movie that we bought so we can watch it on our ipods, or in my case my cell phone. All of the different forms of media are getting to a point where everyone in their eyes are criminals, and they think themselves justified to lock it down so nobody can do anything with what they make..but they still get paid over and over again for it. How long if things like this pass before we "buy" our cars, but will have to pay by the mile anyways, or by the trip. How long before I have to pay "rent" on my house, even though I bought it? I bought music...I should be able to listen to it in my house with the original, put a few copies in my car so if they get messed up by the heat they won't be lost, and put it on my ipod so I can listen at work without having to pay for the same overpriced item 3 freaking times just to make them happy and, in my own opinion, admit to them that "I'm a criminal and deserve punishment". Thanks for the rant.
Zen
It's ridiculous, isn't it? I can understand that they don't want people stealing music, but if you've bought the CD, you should be able to do whatever you want with it aside from sharing it with the world. They wouldn't object if you bought the CD and used it as a frisbee or smashed it to bits, but if you make a digital copy for your MP3 player, you're a criminal because they couldn't force you to buy a digital copy on top of the physical one.
Yeah, I really love the one where I'm not allowed, by law, to show a movie I buy to people OTHER than myself and my family..because then it is viewed as a public viewing and have to pay different rights for that. Thankfully they don't try and enforce that (how..maybe a camera in the TV or whatever that has to ID EVERYONE that is there before and while it's playing), but who knows....maybe it's in this mystery as well.
What's really sad is that I just pulled that idea out of my ass as a joke..but could actually see it as something they would try.
Zen
You mean like the NFL and MLB do to everyone?
E. Zachary Knight
http://www.editorialgames.com
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
MySpace Page: http://www.myspace.com/okceca
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1325674091
Are you talking about how they have to do the rights and such for sports bars and such? Or something else they are doing?
Pretty much. At the last Superbowl, the NFL was suing churches who wanted to have Superbowl Parties because the churches were using too big of tvs. You have to have a special license to show the Superbowl on certian size tvs with certain size crowds.
MLB just doesn't want anyone watching their games unless they are at the stadium or in a closet by themselves on a baterie operated tv. Or something like that anyway.
E. Zachary Knight
http://www.editorialgames.com
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
MySpace Page: http://www.myspace.com/okceca
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1325674091
Well whatever they pass, if/when they pass it will be available to the public so we know exactly how they are screwing us over.
And just like Spore, people will have a workaround making it useful and as it should be four days or more before it actually comes to pass, and end up just screwing everybody that is really putting money into these industries. Way to go! Why don't we go ahead and let the criminals all go and just start arresting all of the normal people "to keep them from doing anything wrong".
Kinda sad, isn't it? EA probably put all sorts of time and money into getting anti-piracy measures in place, and the game was cracked before the North America release. So now the pirates get to play the copy without any potentially harmful "copy protection" while the legitimate buyers like myself gets the shaft.
The sadder part is, that EA keeps using that POS DRM, even though time and time again its been proven that it doesn't work. Ugh, I wonder if anyone in the EA offices suggest not to use it, if so, they probably get fired.
You would think they'd learn and give up. They obviously have to pay for the DRM, and it hasn't worked yet. They could either save some money and just forget the DRM or put that money into game development and improve the games. What I really love is how they refuse to admit it's worthless. When the copy protection has already been broken, the company should just remove it so the legitimate consumers don't have to suffer. It's not like removing the DRM will make pirating any easier after the game's been cracked, and in the case of Spore it may actually increase sales since many people say they're pirating it because of the SecuROM.
I don't know how accurate this is, but here's the wiki article about the ACTA... it doesn't look good...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement
K a little off topic guys but I ask JT why he does this and sent him his own post and responds with this.
Happy to. What you call spam I call legitimate news and comment. You run this site as if it were some sort of pr operation for ECA, which it in effect is. You post libelous material about me, and you stop me from responding. Spam? No. It's called the truth. You are beyond odd.
Jack Thompson, Attorney
"Vice is a matter of so frightful mien,
As to be hated needs but to be seen.
Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face,
We first endure, then pity, then embrace." Alexander Pope
EZK: Don't post John Bruce's cpntact info.
Which just goes to demonstrate Thompson's mentality perfectly, 'It's news because I say it is, and it promotes my agenda.'
He's ten times worse than what he accuses the ECA of being, since he treats this site as though it were some kind of PR site for himself, but is too dense to even realise he's doing it.
The thing is, Jack swears upon his immortal soul that the ECA and the ESA are the same entity. So what he's doing there is accusing Dennis of being an industry shill.
-Gray17
shill... isnt that a kind of shrimp?
You're thinking of krill.
Isn't that a movie? No, wait, that's Krull....
No, that's your headbone.
Oh no, that's skull.
No, that's a band.
Oh no, that's Jethro Tull.
No, that's what you pay to cross some bridges.
Wait. My bad: Toll.
Isn't that the JT that lives under bridges?
Oh no! That's just a TROLL
Trust is the sound of death.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if he simply didn't know the difference. It's not the like facts ever get in Jack's way when he's determined to insult Dennis, or anyone/thing else for that matter.
Can we track his IP address so all of his posts show up in purple? maybe pink... not purple well do... Ranbow colors will work too, because if I remember right, he is against homosexuals as well, but I could be wrong... I get old kooks mixed up sometimes... Either way, something that makes it stand out that it is him, when it is him... somethign that would be too big of a pain for other people to replicate (purple background with pink text, there we go)
Zach, i learned this the hard way: Never e-mail JT. EVER.
He doesn't give a crap about 'decency.' He doesn't care what you say. He just writes it off as another threat on his life and moves on.
This is like some cloak-and-dagger stuff with some very powerful people involved. In a word: Scary.
And as for Jacky Boy, he could just as well post all of his crap elsewhere, but only here will he actually get attention, so there you go. Naughty little monkey needs to get back in his cage before Dennis gets back.
? Correct me if I'm wrong but we the gamers are at war with the goverment in a sense? Someone help me out here, I'm not so sure i understand what we are fighting agsints here.
As for jack thompson, he's spam us, we spam him, he attack us, we attack him. But who started it? (Don't answear the question, post it in the forums for disscussion, I just wanted to put the thought out for everyone)
I love this site.
Oh SNAP, we have forums?!?! Oh... ECA... nvm... The people in there are freakin nuts, I'll say out here. Well, the ones I have met in there are at least...
I can sum it up really fast here.
Government doesnt respect the youth or the game industry because they understand neither. We are fighting for equal respect.
Jack started it with his outlandish remarks about gamers and the game industry.
I love GP too... Can I work for GP/ECA I am all for a new job... I'm a web developer, common, haha.
Which thread are we talking about this in again? (linky linky)
So once again, the States are putting presure on Canada on how we should run ourselves? This is the MAIN resaon that weed is still "illegal" up here, and why same sex marriage was so long coming. I just wish I could honestly support someone in our election and they could do something about all this.
Is that his real address? I want to send him flowers, with a get well soon card... I figure he has been messed up for a while now, it is about time for him to get better and stop acting crazy...
(This place exploded while i worked and got lunch... man...)
You do that, he'll sue you and claim that you're harassing him just like he did with Penny Arcade.
Like he's doing with Zack below....
I had to see who you were talking about since he goes by Zach, or EKZ for short, but yeah, I read that, and sure enough, he's pulling his usual stunt, saying that he's harassing him. Sadly, no flowers were involved anywhere though.
Seriously, you have to wonder what goes threw Thompson's mind, actually scratch that, trying to think like Jack Thompson would make my brain explode.
My kingdom for teh edit button. Its not even even Zach. I'll just go by EKZ and thats it, but yeah, before he deleted that letter, I read it and just rolled my eyes.
Zach and EZK are not the same person.
Zach is a GP reader. EZK is our comment moderator, whose name happens to be Zachary.
And thats why I suggested an edit button, cause once I posted that reply, I saw that both Zach and EKZ are two different people, though of course, Thompson, being the "genius" that he is thought they were the same one, despite people saying otherwise.
I begin to wonder why I play video games in the first place... oh yeah because I want to feel bigger than somebody!! and now they want to take that away
Jesus Jack Jones Thompson told me to do it!
When I want to fell bigger than somebody, I answer the emails I get promising a larger...
Oh, that's not what you meant. My gaming makes me confused.
John Bruce "Jack" Thompson
So why does he go by Jack when it isn't part of his real name?
You might as well be asking why he's put porn into court filings.
When did I miss that story?
It was some months ago.
Not a good place to hide his personal stash...
I believe he felt he was making some kind of point with it, but as always, it did little more than make him look bad.
If he could make money just off of making himself look bad... Wait, doesn't he do that too... I think he might get paid for TV interviews... They use him as an 'expert' on matters... I think the TV stations like the rating jump of people getting to see a nut case on TV. It is like going to the circus and seeing the bearded lady, but that is an insult to the bearded lady...
It has to do with a movie that he and his son watched that the actor Jack Thompson was in...he mentioned it on Jaablog but I can't locate the comment...
Jack is a nickname for John, much the same was that Bill is a nickname for William, or Bob for Robert
or how about a nickname for Richard, Dick?
Jesus Jack Jones Thompson told me to do it!
How did I not catch on tht John Bruce is Jack Thompson... Man I am behind... Anything else I need to know to catch me up with how far behind I am with the JT info?
*Deleted Letter from Jack*
EZK: John Bruce, my name is E. Zachary KNIGHT. I am the moderator here not Zach Fleming. Get it right when you threaten people.
Whichever moderator this is, I hope you'll forward the referee's report and Thompson's entry in Wikipedia to the president and dead he's (allegedly) sent this to so that they do not mistake him for someone they need to take seriously.
Oh, throw in the Janet Reno stuff for good measure.
Uh, wait, this is about the user Zach that posted earlier in this topic. He's not a moderator. Stop taking drugs, Thompson.
It's EZK he's referring to I think, and this is going to be fun, since a school has no right whatsoever to dictate to a student what they do with their own time, and EZK has no direct control over what people post, he can only deal with it after the fact, so basically, this is the most obvious attempt at a SLAPP lawsuit ever attempted :)
That's what I figured, but EZK is not Zach. Zach posted earlier in this topic. Ugh, Jack is such a retard. Does he get EVERYTHING wrong on purpose? This is a real question. I honestly can't imagine anybody managing to not ever get anything right and not do it on purpose.
I think it's time to start digging up Jack's leters to Doug Lowenstein, Japan and Rob Zelnicks' mum for Zach, that way he can show the school that crazy-mad letters with zero legible content are the norm for Thompson ;)
Strauss, where the heck did I get Rob from?!?
SLAPP!
Your threats carry less weight than similar comments that my 7 year old could come up with. An individual is not controlled by, or unless specifically stated, representing a job, school, religion, etc. when they make a comment or inquiry in regards to a personal belief on their part. He asked you a question, you throw a fit and make threats. Nobody here is scared of you. Myself included.
Zen a.k.a. Jeremy Powers
Panama City Fl.
We know you are not gay, just really stupid. And don't come here if you don't like what we say about you, then we will be less likely to talk about you in the first place.
You ARE mentally ill, and I ask that you seek a psychologist that at least one person here other htan yourself approves of to make sure you are not a threat to the well being of others. You are paranoid as can be, which alone shows that you are mentally ill, and it start with Janet Reno.
You are far from successful, or else you wouldnt be disbarred or in the process of. Who is letting you file anything... why can't disbarred people lose all rights to file anything without the appoval of the judge that disbars you.
I believe in freedom of speech, even if people insult me, I feel they have the right to do so. I can just ignore what they say, and especially what they type. If the university even acknowledges this email I would be surprised.
*Deleted Letter from Jack*
EZK: John Bruce, my name is E. Zachary KNIGHT. I am the moderator here not Zach Fleming. Get it right when you threaten people.
ROFL Even when he tries to SLAPP someone he still screws up on a monumental scale. Classic Thompson.
You FAIL. You EPIC FAIL.
I expect nothing but SUPREME EPIC FAIL from JT
I hope that post is saved for later record of his misconduct.
Dennis has a copy.
E. Zachary Knight
http://www.editorialgames.com
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
MySpace Page: http://www.myspace.com/okceca
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1325674091
He meant to post E. Zachary Flaming Knight.
Really.
*Deleted Same Letter*
Nice try, Jack. But that simply isn't going to fly.
Proof or it didn't happen, nitwit....
Good ol' Jack Thompson, you can try to silence the voices that prove you wrong, but you will fail, as abysmally as you always do :)
Of course, by sending this letter you would prove how scared you really are of the truth :)
Jack stop being a hypocrite and HARASSING everyone who disagrees with you. God, you're such a baby.
He didn't say you were mentally ill, I did, and I stand 100% by my accusation of you ordering a case of NPD with a side-order of a messianic complex, and your continual attempt to silence any voice that disagrees with your delusions of grandeur are nothing more than evidence in my favour :)
With my psychology back ground, I will stand behind you on the mentally ill comment.
Aw, poor baby, are the mean interweb people calling you a doo-doo-head? Here, have a glass of chocolate milk. Mommy will go and make it all better for you. Nighty-night.
Chinese milk?...too soon?
For anyone who cares, here's a link to an article on the recent shooting Jack seems to want Dennis to report on. There's no mention of games whatsoever, which should surprise no one, and is why it's not a GP article.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080923/ap_on_re_eu/eu_finland_school_shooti...
Who else knew this guy wasn't a child right when JT announced it? haha
Adults are called adults for a reason. They can take responsibility for their own actions, if there might have been a slight incling of added frustration added by video games or not. Just like JT needs to take responsibility for his actions, and do the world a favor and go live in Iran.
When i said game politics and I didn't mean that we worked together. God why do people do this. Sorry guys about this whole ordeal if this casuing problems.
It's no biggy, JT is crazy paranoid. So if anything, you can ask for help here if he causes too many problems. There may be some people here with more money and better connections than JT realizes to fight him if he goes after an innocent person.
JT is boring me... Do we have another story... or wait, what is this topic about again?
I hope he didn't cause a problem between you and the staff at your college.
Don't worry, he was a bit overdue for one of these anyway, it's roughly a tri-monthly occurence, I wouldn't let it worry you either, you should have no problem proving that Jack is a bigger Ding-Dong than New Year in the Big Ben belltower ;)
Don't fret it. Thompson also thinks GamePolitics is stealing his TV Guide. He's crazy, and anybody from that college who would come over here to verify Thompson's claims (he seems to think people will just take his word at face value) will be able to see that.
I'm freaking out here right now peolpe, and I think i'm going to throw up here. Jesus christ, alls i did was ask him why he does what he does and pointed out something to him. Someone plese help me here
Get in trouble for what?
You literally did nothing wrong.
(Note: I haven't seen the text of Jack's latest toothless threats as it was deleted, but I assume it was nothing but hot air like all of his other failings.)
Couple weeks ago, i was pretty verbal in a email to him and tottaly got on his case about his harrasment of the video games. This week I just asked him why he's spamming us and than told him to give game politces something better and more with proof. I didin't reply to anything eles. I know i posted the email that i sent him a few weeks ago in another jack thompson article
Btw, mods and all of Game Politics. I'm really sorry about this. I just wanted to stand up for the video gaming industry and im scared as shit right now becasue i don't know what he will really do, has anyone been in this situation like me?
Let me put it this way:
Jack threatened me with a lawsuit two or three years ago. I'm still waiting for him to file it.
Ok ok, I'm trying to calm down. So hard to breath right now. To be honest, I thought he was going to ignore my stuff and just delete it. Is he litterally like a dog ready to jump on anything that goes near him?
Btw Dog, did he email your school prez and threaten to sue our college?
he threatened to sue the school cuz he thinks your EZK, if the school says anything to you about it just point out that your not the person he thought you were and that'll be that.
No, he didn't.
But anyone reading a letter with baseless threats like that, and who has half a brain, will realize that they are baseless threats.
Jack's modus operandi is to THREATEN lawsuits hoping that people will hop up do what he wants. He never FILES the lawsuits.
Over on the JAABLOG site he's been spamming letters to the Florida Bar saying that he demands a face-to-face meeting to negotiate a settlement with the Florida Bar for the last couple of months, and if they don't give in to his demand HE WILL SUE THEM NEXT WEEK. He sends this letter out about every two weeks with some new "smoking gun evidence." He's yet to file the suit.
Jack has done this to you because he is an asshole and he's trying to make you feel nervous and threatened. It's what he gets off on. I wouldn't be surprised if he's sitting at his computer masturbating to these posts right now.
On the other hand, this is why I've been telling people to never e-mail Jack Thompson. He's nothing but an asshole and will use any information he can get about you to try to make life miserable.
I think JT was mega banned from Jaablog, as he's only posted there once in the last 2 weeks
If you agree or disagree with something, the best thing you CAN do is to stand for what you believe in. Otherwise people like him can get away with whatever they feel is right, regardless of our basic freedoms. I at least think you did the right thing and should not have anything to worry about. You can post his emails just like he loves to post others. The freedoms don't just go the "Jack Thompson Way"...they go the same for EVERYONE.
Don't worry about any trouble from ol' John Bruce. He can't do anything to you. And I found it funny that he confused you for me.
E. Zachary Knight
http://www.editorialgames.com
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
MySpace Page: http://www.myspace.com/okceca
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1325674091
Yeah, I find that funny too. I take pretty much everyone has been through the same situation from John Bruce like me now?
Yeah, I can't figure out how John Bruce could have confused the two of you.
After all, Zach's taller.
:: Blink ::
:: Blink ::
Exitstageleft!
:: Poof! ::
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Nightwng2000 has also updated his MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl
I wouldn't worry. For starters he needs to get the letter directly to you not to a forum where he has no catagoric proof as to the identity of the person on the other side (There are ways to find out with a degree of certainty but NOONE is going to bother with that over the sending of an email, unless you sent him a death threat or something utterly stupid).
He is reliant upon his threats doing this to people. He's a pathetic little bully who is abusing his position as a lawyer to do it as well and thi,s amongst other reasons, is why he is being disbarred soon. When he is, he will be legally impotent.
Seriously - chill out, laugh it off and ignore the little Hitler. It would however probably be wise not to bother emailing him again. Whilst he *IS* inviting it both on forum posts (which contain his email and invites to contact him) and on his website, it probably isn't worth the hassle of replacing your fax machine ;)
i dont think you have anything to worry about. he thought you were the moderator EZK which you arent.
You can't get in trouble for this. You have the email conversation in question along with all of the posts here on the site. Even if he did send something, there isn't much chance that 1) They would take him very seriously after seeing the stuff that he has/is doing, 2) The school can NOT punish you for extr-curricular activities that deal with your beliefs be them social, political, religious, etc. It's a 1st Amendment right to be able to ask questions and speak about what you want. Just because he freaked out doesn't mean you've done a damn thing wrong.
Zen a.k.a Jeremy Powers
Zen@Zenspath.com
Exactly, if you hear something from your school let us know. I am sure Dennis, a Mod here, or someone that heads up part of the ECA else can call up your school and explain the whole situation, but I doubt it gets that far. No biggie bud. We'll take care of you here one way or another.
Heck, you might get featured in an article on how Jack Thompson is at his crazy antics again, haha. Joking aside though, don't worry about anything. More likely than not, nothing will happen. You have a lot of supporters here, and we will back you up 100% even if something does.
Now one more thing
Has anyone read what I sent him in the first email before these two?
Honestly, I doubt I've seen them. But I would make sure to save them just in case you are questioned by someone at your school you can give them the e-mails. Also, make sure you save any responses that JT sent you.
As long as you didn't do something dumb, like send death threats, you should have no problem.
I have them archvied in my folder. Thanks to everyone here again for helping me figure this mess out and again sorry casuing such a problem to the guys that run this site.
Seriously, don't worry dude, this guy, Jack Thompson is pretty much crazy, and you have the proof right here on GamePolitics to prove it. Besides, in usual Jack Thompson fashion, he got something wrong, big surprise there, and confused you with EKZ.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_(attorney)
Oh yeah, and have a look at this, quotes out the Yin-Yang from Jack Thompson, a majority of them insulting, well, actually, all of them insulting, but thats Jack Thompson for you, but you could show this to whoever runs your collage as proof that you're dealing with nothing but a trouble maker.
Let me spell it out for you.
Jack Thompson is a mentally ill old man who is using his attorney license to try to bully people. All bark and no bite. He sent this email precisely to annoy these people and scare you. That's it, that's all.
He is about to lose his license because of this, among many other unethical, bizarre behaviors. If anybody asks you about this, all you need to do is point out to this fact.
Oh, and to put things in perspective.
You are being accused of having sent an email.
Which he wouldn't even show, because if he did, they would see it was nothing worth the commotion.
The other accusation, that you are associated with this website, is an outright fabrication.
Can't wait for this guy to lose his license.
Amen to that buddy.
Did Jack post all of that in this thread to distract us from it though?
Which brings me back to this question. Why do they have to be so secrative about it? whats to hide from the public in this meeting?
I would think nothing, unless they were making deal with big companies like Yahoo and so on, but if they are fearful of it, then... Is our country turning communist. Not really full swing, but it seems we are slowly losing our freedoms and being barried by government debt and poor choices.
Other than that, maybe it is a disguse for what they are really meeting for, but they are not smart enough to do that. Which leads me to believe they are probably going to do what the government is trying to do with ESRB, put into law what the industry already does, just to act like they do something instead of waste tax payer money for doing things like that.
Communist would mean that everything belongs to everyone. In this case, the companies want everything to belong to them so the consumer pays to essentially rent the item.
What ever happend to just having a simple game and paying for it? This is really sad how Companinies like EA want to get more money from us and give us crap back. This is really sad.
They do all this crap to try to combat pirates but almost end up making the pirates look like heroes because they stand up to the unfair company that's trying to rip off the consumers. It's really counter-productive.
Exactly, and I support the pirates that hack the games like that when it comes to that situation. They are protecting the consumer by giving them another option, and to show they will not stand with torrent sites that keep track of downloads. Those numbers show loss of sales, and proof of where the consumers went.
(anyone else question why GameSpot didn't post an article about EA apologizing for Spore DRM? I swear they are in bed with EA, and if they were not, they would have posted something by now.)
Dude, don't freak out. Challenge the suit. You'll make a million bucks telling the story for why you got sued for sending a ****ing e-mail that in no way threatened his well being.
I'm with everyone else on this Zach.
But, to be honest, I'd be more proactive.
I'd gather the emails to/from regarding this specific issue, I'd gather specific evidence regarding ECA and GamePolitics (including links to sites and other information) as well as links regarding John Bruce, such as links to his Wikipedia page, various wikipedia articles regarding his "involvment" in various cases such as the Cody Posey case, the Robida case, the V-Tech case, the NIU case, and other such cases, as well as various abusive and deceitful comments made by him (such as the comment about supporting the legal death penalty for GP poster, his lies and misinformation about there being "gay sex" in the game Bully, his repeated bigoted comments regarding homosexuality, and his religious terroristic attitudes), all of which show a very immoral character. Many of these resources offer other views, so it isn't one sided. Nevertheless, he, himself, is the evidence of what he has or hasn't done.
Take all said info and show it to those in authority at the college. Make a pre-emptive strike by showing them the WHOLE Truth, not just the John Bruce line of lies and deceit. If you're too nervous to do it in person, then email them.
Contrary to what the Anti-First Amendment guttertrash that is John Bruce, you DO have the Right to Freedom of Speech. Not just what the Anti-US Constitutionalist John Bruce "Jack" Thompson says you can or can't say.
Heck, I've got pre-written affidavits and letters on stand by just waiting for John Bruce to act on his various vague threats. I've been waiting for over two years. He hasn't done squat yet. And am I really that hard to identify?
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Nightwng2000 has also updated his MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl
it becomes a cluster fuck of pure hatred for the jerk. i mean we all know JT something else when he tries to blame video games for violence in our schools in america. basically i think he was born hypocritical and i know now that he's also born troll too... just one of those day's i guess when bad news like this comes up...
Jesus Jack Jones Thompson told me to do it!
Kudos to Intel, Yahoo, and Verizon; I wouldn't have expected them to be on the consumers' side on this one.
Jackie really is some twisted religous nutjob, who if you ever disagree with him will try to supress your rights much like IMO.
Opps ment to say jackie will try to suppress your rights like EA...Sorry guys!
Notice to GamePolitics, Dennis McCauley, ECA, Hal Halpin, and all posters here at GP:
This site is being used, once again, to orchestrate violations of federal criminal statute 47 U.S.C. 223(h)(1).
Please consider yourselves warned, and do govern yourselves accordingly.
Jack Thompson
No thanks. I never intend to attend a school where ernolling just requires one to open the door.
Besides, I don't think "Box of Crackerjacks" university is very reputable
I've been threatened by better.
You are a joke, Jack. A massacre chaser of the lowest caliber. You give shysters a bad name. You couldn't find cause with both hands and a map. You are a legal terrorist, using harassment and threats to try and get your way. How's it working for you so far? Still got that license big guy? Still suing everyone? Not a laughing stock are you?
You are a pathetic loser. Maybe if you dedicated the rest of your miserable life to charity work, helping the truly needy, you might redeem yourself for one hundredth of one percent of the harm you have caused.
Grey,
Father of four and certified fit to raise them, and you are not.
So, it's only okay for you to post libel?
Ex. "This site is being used, once again, to orchestrate violations of federal criminal statute 47 U.S.C. 223(h)(1)."
or
"This site, GamePolitics.com, is a massacre facilitator. It underreports the nexus between violent games and school shootings because it's "bad business" for the video game companies that spawn these massacres. Hal Halpin has blood on his hands, and this site can't have that reported, now can it?"
And that's just from today.
Andrew Eisen
I'm in a different country.
Lotsa luck with that, you dried up old fuck.
This one is the classic pot meets kettle:
"1(E) makes repeated telephone calls or repeatedly initiates communication with a telecommunications device, during which conversation or communication ensues, solely to harass any person at the called number or who receives the communication; or"
lol. Yah, come and sue me big boy. They'll laugh you out of court.
- Warren Lewis
"gives you the finger" This is from across the Atlantic Ocean, nice try Jackoff.
When Life gives you lemons, you find a new god.
So, wait... You intend to sue yourself? You match that exact description you linked to.
E. Zachary Knight
http://www.editorialgames.com
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
MySpace Page: http://www.myspace.com/okceca
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1325674091
Sorry, "Anonymous," calling you names over the internet is not death threats. YOU'RE the one who said people who post on blogs should get the death penalty. Those are YOUR words, not ours. What you say isn't nulled and voided just because you're a lawyer. You're not above the law.
David Gagnon, Mature Human Being, and You're Not.
I take it someone is sending you obscenity or child pornography? Well that sucks. Then again, if you're going to continue acting like a jerk, you might consider not spamming your name, number, and email address all over the internet.
That said, from the GamePolitics comments policy:
"Views posted are those of the individual user and do not necessarily reflect the views of the ECA."
Andrew Eisen
Oh noes, Florida's most inept lawyer is threatening to sue us!
Careful people or he might joke about giving money to charity again, or harass someone’s mother/wife/friends/family, or claim games kill people based on NOTHING, or tell us of how he was on sixty minutes, or fail at another case, or throw more ineffective threats/lies/insults, or sulk when he doesn't get his way.
Eh, that's odd, for some reason I'm finding it difficult to fear a lawyer that resembles a bad Jerry Springer show.
Oddly enough, he kind of resembles Jerry Springer now.
I've said it once, I've said it many times:
Come and have a go, if you think you're hard enough.
I'm ready to introduce a couple of hunderd pages of evidence against you in my defense. I've been waiting for over two years.
I'm even MORE unimpressed with your threats than I am with your public appearances.
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Nightwng2000 has also updated his MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl
I'm with you on that one. He keeps making the same threats to people, but just lurks back into the shadows, shaking his fist like it means a damn thing. It drives me nuts to live in the same state and realize that SOMEBODY had a lapse of judgement (or maybe was playing a videogame) when they signed him off as a lawyer. That or it was a charity event and they felt sorry for him. Either way, he would be biting off more than he can chew...even with that MASSIVE mouth of his...if he comes after anybody on this site for the crap he is claiming. And to prove how little I am actually worried by him, I will start (as I've been doing for some of the recent posts) adding my actual name and email address here. I have NO problem, and actualy feel honored, being counted among the gamers here.
Zen a.k.a. Jeremy Powers
Zen@Zenspath.com
FYI - I am feeding on you Zen, haha. RSS
Have at it Jackie oh boy.
mdwillruletheday@yahoo.com
Alan Thorn
PS - That is the email for all of my junk/casual mail from people like Jack. If I get a casual email address again, then I will post it instead for Jack. I don't need legal BS in my family or business email accounts. Once I get my site going for my other side business, I'll give you that email, because I have a feeling Jack-o will be talked about on it more often than I would like.
1.) Sue me for it (especially since you are getting disbarred)
2.) That is for a personally owned service (Phone, cell phone, email, your own website, your private account such as on myspace/facebook/so on)
Any GOOD lawyer would be able to fight you against that buddy, and you would lose. Even if it was a personal use of something online, especially email. You have to prove it was the person and not someone who hacked their account, which for all you know this site has poor securty, because we all know you know very little about the internet in the first place. PLUS we can easily prove you are here to annouy us far more easily than you can say were are hear to do such to you, and the site owner could press charges against you for using a site not meant for you to troll their boards of communication.
We know the owners of this site will support us over you, therefore giving you even less grounds to stand on. Plus the deletion of your posts is a sign that you are not welcome here. Ignoring that could be stated as just being stupid, but I am saying here and now, you are not welcome here, leave, do not come back. We do not wish you to ever again post on these boards of communication, and by doing so would be to knowingly be posting in an area where you are not wanted by the community, and obviously the host due to certain ads directly stating that this site is against you, not for you to rabble on with your threats of legal suits.
Just like you can ignore this post, you can ignore the other posts about you. You are not being forced to read this posts, and they are the opinions of the people who have posted them, half of which have researched your legal history and have grounds for suggesting that you may have psychological problems, including being mentally ill.
Yes, we want you to disappear, and some of us slip up and say we want you to be dead. Do we mean that? No, we do not really want to physically harm you, we much rather do something that would humiliate you in public. I rather you go live in Iran for 5 years and leave us alone, because you are wasting space on these boards of communication when we are having conversations about topics in a industry we are passionate about because we support what they do, which is what this site is for mostly, with a rare case of companies ripping off their consumers with things like DRM, like you are ripping us off time in our lives for even dealing with you because you are posting in an area where you are not wanted.
Have I ever said I wanted to kill my parents or for my parents to be dead? Yes, because at some times they get to me where I think that, but I don't actually mean it. If I sent a letter in the mail saying, I am going to kill you in your sleep, that would be a death threat, saying I wish I could kill him with his pillow in his sleep, is a great idea for a video game, because it could help people vent their frustrations against you without actually harming you, but that shows they which they could, which means they morally are choosing not to, or they know it is against the law and wont, like me. If it was legal, people would have taken pretty good attempts at your life buddy, but same goes to a lot of people in this world, even me, haha.
Have I heard my father say he was going to kill me when I was younger and ticked him off? Yes. Have you heard your father say the same thing? Most likely, unless your parents were hippies... Normally hippie parents don't make those threats, nor homosexual male parents due to lack of levels of aggression. I even heard on the radio a couple days ago where parents were venting, and said they wish they could kill their kids, but did they mean it, not they love them, and a part of many of us here really do care about you Jack, and dont actually want anything bad to happen to you, we just get sick of your antics. Personally, I would try and stop someone from trying to kill you even. Why? Because I don't want actually physical harm to happen to you, other than seeing you kicked in the balls by some guy in a easter bunny outfit, because it would be funny, but I would even like to see that happen to Will Wright, Dennis, or almost anyone else here, in the industry, or anywhere else in the world honestly, haha.
My sister has said she was going to kill me before too, though she never tried. So all in all, we are like family, and you are the family member we can't stand, wish we could kick the crap out of, but still as a fellow human care about you enough to never actually do it.
Okay, so who wants to wear the bunny suit and hop over to Jacks house and see if he will let us YouTube the video?
OOOOO...more baseless threats!
Jack, did you actually read that statute that you posted? Nothing here on this website could be construed as "obscene" in any manner, and that includes me calling you a fuckface and a fucking retard.
Bring the lawsuit, bitch.
P.S. I know you won't because you're nothing but a fucking coward.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh good luck trying to get me then bitchface... GOOD LUCK
When Life gives you lemons, you find a new god.
Like all of the other times you have brought this up, you will fail. Once again, we are not worried.
For fucks sake, I go to work and when I come back the cheese rocketed off Jack's cracker.
Notice to GamePolitics, Dennis McCauley, ECA, Hal Halpin, and all posters here at GP:
that includes you too, dipshit
岩「…Ace beats Jack」
I love the way he identifies GamePolitics as a seperate entity from Dennis and it's posters, as though it goes out partying at weekends or something.
Hey now, GP is a cool guy.
Sure it is, keep telling yourself that Thompson, maybe it'll come true, though honestly, it won't.
"Obscene or harassing telephone calls in the District of Columbia or in interstate or foreign communications"
I copied that verbatim from the link you provided. No one is harassing you here, or rather, no one WOULD be harassing you if you kept to your own business. little jackie hasn't had a story about himself on GP for a while, so he has to troll and flame everyone else in here? seriously? Get a life, John
Michael Muhleck, Sane human and you're not.
Bring it Jack. I dare you. Sue me.
You are a pathetic, whining little excuse of a human being. You are nothing more than a sad little pretend lawyer who chases ambulences and massacres, harping against societies newest controversial media spotlight. First gays, then rap music, then gays again, then shock radio, gays once more, video games, and now video games and gays. Good bye to your license you idiot.
James Fletcher @ Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
HarmlessBunny@yahoo.ca
Go ahead, Jack. Make my day.
Bullshit, Jack. Please give our collective asses a greeat big friggin' kiss. Enjoy disbarment!
John David Dunn, Mature Human Being, and You're Not.
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Modified Sarge quote: "My favorite part is the part where you failed. Encore! Bravo."
Oh shut up.
You think threatening people's schools is clever? You're no better than the people you claim to be trying to stop, all you want to do is destroy those who you don't agree with, which is exactly what Klebold, Harris and Cho wanted to do. The irony is, the only person you are destroying is yourself.
You are scum.
That was a reply to Jack, btw, seems the post got deleted while I was replying to it :)
Wow, JT is going nuts on this post, and it has nothing to do with him.
Jack, I take your threat as a speck of nothing, It's just words, nothing else.
Honestly, Thompson can't stand it when GP talks about him, so he has to come into the topic and make it about him, sad isn't it?
doesn't talk about him.* Typos, oi.
Are comments made by crazy people outlawed there? haha
In Sweden? Nah not as far as I can recall... but Blond chicks on the other hand win.
When Life gives you lemons, you find a new god.
ooooooooooooh, i'm so scared. The scary lawyer who wins every case and is the head of the Floridea bar is gonna sue for criticizing him. Ooh. i'm so scared. NOT!
John Bruce,
I think it's you that needs to do some remedial studying in law if you think what goes on here passes as libel. Calling a person a bad name, and calling them out for being a complete douche bag (which there is more than enough proof on this site alone, not to mention your disbarment trial, actions you've taken aginst groups like Penny Arcade, and this site, and now the FBI even rejects your calls) is not libel. See, for any of this to be libel, it would have to be false, and we can easily show that what we are saying here is not false.
Shouldn't you put your energies into, you know, keeping your law licence rather than barking like a small dog at a few people on an internet news blog?
You're the reason people hate lawyers. You're an ambulance chaser, you belittle tradgedy for your own gain, and you get what you want by whining and strong arming people with the wrong end of the law. You show no regard for the status of your position, or the laws which you're supposed to uphold and adhere to. The worst thing I can say about you would be that you're a hypocrite, to the highest degree. Say hello to the florida bar for me.
-Thomas McKenna
Resident of Los Angeles, CA
Amen...now let's eat!
You know they have a forum for off topic discussions right? Jesus people read the article.
JT killed it, but there isn't much else to say about this that hasn't been said I dont believe... Mainly, this is BS, government should be more transparent, no real logical non-greed motive, prolly trying to force canada into stuff they dont want to do more than anything hopefully, rather than screw over canada and everyone else even worse.
time to sing that song then...
Yo, ho, haul together,
hoist the colors high.
Heave ho,
thieves and beggars,
never shall we die.
Some men have died
and some are alive
and others sail on the sea
with the keys to the cage...
and the Devil to pay
we lay to Fiddler's Green!
Every time you buy anything you fund this crap and the lawyers that make this crap possible.
let me make sure i have this correct
JT posts his contact information in a story which is absolutly not about him, between EZK and Dennis they delete such contact information when they see it and tell him not to post his contact information
people catch this contact information before it's deleted and send him an email
game politics is guilty of innitiating contact between joe schmoe internet and JT?
Yea, pretty much.
So, we know where he lives and how to get in contact with him and yet no one has attacked him yet despite us all training on murder simulators, maybe he's got some madd ass ninja skills!!!! Either that or he's wrong about gamers and that can't possibly be true.
Ya know, I have a feeling that this guy is a mere troll. I mean, I could end up posting here as "Fred Phelps" or another nutbag of the Westboro Baptist Church, and say something mean like "Finland is going to hell because they did not obey god's word." But I'm not that much of a jerk.
On topic, I hope groups like the EFF win in court. That kind of Treaty actually bypasses our Constitution since it's made on a Global scale.
It actually doesn't. Nothing on a global scale is currently allowed to violate sovreignty of a nation. We are not bound by any decisions the UN makes, or by any treaties or protocols that are made on an international level. The most we can do is have our congress ratify it and then try to make it into law.
For example, President Clinton agreed with the Kyoto Protocol, and said that the US is behind it. That went to Congress (Democratically controlled at the time) which turned down the measure to sign onto the Kyoto Protocol. Years later, this decision was held up by Bush. It was an international agreement, one which the US was a part of, but because our congress decided not to sign on to it (and for good reasons) we were not and are not bound to it.
So basically, we can huff, puff, posture, and protest this thing as much as we want right now, but it won't make a difference in it being made. However, for it to actually be implimented in the US it has to be ratified by the Congress and approved by the President (and then upheld by the Supreme Court seeing how something like this will definatly go to court). If it gets made into law in the US without going through that process, then I say let the revolution against big brother begin.
I'm fairly certain this is the process that things like this must go through. If I'm at all wrong, then please correct me.