Outrage Begins over Drug-Dealing in GTA Chinatown Wars
Outrage Begins over Drug-Dealing in GTA Chinatown Wars
September 25, 2008
Given this week's revelations that GTA Chinatown Wars for the Nintendo DS will feature a drug dealing mini-game, it was only a matter of time before criticism began.
Today's edition of British tabloid The Sun covers the story under the headline Fury Over Drug Deal Vid Game and includes a comment by Darren Gold of support group Drugsline:
Anything using drug-dealing as entertainment is sending out the wrong message. Glamorisation doesn’t help our work trying to educate kids of the dangers of substance misuse.
Rockstar, of course, seems to revel in such controversy.
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Posted 02/09/10 at 01:16pm
Andrew Eisen: Shouldn't be. Spirit of anti-discrimination laws would seem to include sexual orientation (and eye color). Plus there's always equal protection and such. Never know until you try.
Andrew Eisen: Shouldn't be. Spirit of anti-discrimination laws would seem to include sexual orientation (and eye color). Plus there's always equal protection and such. Never know until you try.
Posted 02/09/10 at 01:10pm
Andrew Eisen: Should have sued (unless that wasn't an option given her financial situation or something). Might have won.
Andrew Eisen: Should have sued (unless that wasn't an option given her financial situation or something). Might have won.
Posted 02/09/10 at 01:00pm
Valdearg: Story about a Male to Female TG who was expressly told she wouldn't be given a job because she was TG. Its not the main point of the story, but explicit, perfectly legal discrimination like this exists.
Valdearg: Story about a Male to Female TG who was expressly told she wouldn't be given a job because she was TG. Its not the main point of the story, but explicit, perfectly legal discrimination like this exists.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:53pm
Valdearg: Lol, I don't know. It may very well be legal to do so. Though that might able to fall under the "race" restriction, depending on how that point is argued.
Valdearg: Lol, I don't know. It may very well be legal to do so. Though that might able to fall under the "race" restriction, depending on how that point is argued.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:51pm
Valdearg: I don't think they do have any legal recourse. I'll have to dig around, but I seriously believe that if the law doesn't specifically mention Sexual Orientation or Gender Identity, they can still be discriminated against in those 29 states.
Valdearg: I don't think they do have any legal recourse. I'll have to dig around, but I seriously believe that if the law doesn't specifically mention Sexual Orientation or Gender Identity, they can still be discriminated against in those 29 states.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:51pm
Andrew Eisen: Eye color isn't covered either but I doubt it would be considered legal to refuse to hire people with green eyes.
Andrew Eisen: Eye color isn't covered either but I doubt it would be considered legal to refuse to hire people with green eyes.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:48pm
Andrew Eisen: My explanation is longer than the Shoutbox will allow. Suffice to say that while those who are discriminated against do have legal recourse, anti-discrimination law should specifically cite sexual orientation so that there’s no question about it.
Andrew Eisen: My explanation is longer than the Shoutbox will allow. Suffice to say that while those who are discriminated against do have legal recourse, anti-discrimination law should specifically cite sexual orientation so that there’s no question about it.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:42pm
Valdearg: "There is no federal law that consistently protects LGBT individuals from employment discrimination; it remains legal in 29 states, and in 38 states to do so based on gender identity or expression." From the Human Rights Campaign.
Valdearg: "There is no federal law that consistently protects LGBT individuals from employment discrimination; it remains legal in 29 states, and in 38 states to do so based on gender identity or expression." From the Human Rights Campaign.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:40pm
Valdearg: @AE: Why don't you think I'm correct? I know Wiki could be flawed, but as far as it says, its up to date as of June 2009.
Valdearg: @AE: Why don't you think I'm correct? I know Wiki could be flawed, but as far as it says, its up to date as of June 2009.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:39pm
Andrew Eisen: I don't think you're right but I really don't know and don't have the time to find out. However things actually are, it's very clear how they actually should be.
Andrew Eisen: I don't think you're right but I really don't know and don't have the time to find out. However things actually are, it's very clear how they actually should be.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:34pm
Valdearg: "just because there's no specific state level protection for it, doesn't make discrimination right or legal." I would disagree. If there's no laws against it, it makes it perfectly legal. It's definitely not right, but perfectly legal to do.
Valdearg: "just because there's no specific state level protection for it, doesn't make discrimination right or legal." I would disagree. If there's no laws against it, it makes it perfectly legal. It's definitely not right, but perfectly legal to do.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:33pm
Valdearg: Meaning in 29 states, private sector discrimination against gays is perfectly legal.. Sickening.
Valdearg: Meaning in 29 states, private sector discrimination against gays is perfectly legal.. Sickening.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:33pm
Valdearg: 19 states have no protections, and another 10 only have protections for public sector jobs.
Valdearg: 19 states have no protections, and another 10 only have protections for public sector jobs.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:32pm
Andrew Eisen: Well, most businesses have equal rights policies in place and just because there's no specific state level protection for it, doesn't make discrimination right or legal. Still, no argument against adding such protections.
Andrew Eisen: Well, most businesses have equal rights policies in place and just because there's no specific state level protection for it, doesn't make discrimination right or legal. Still, no argument against adding such protections.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:28pm
Valdearg: More information. Apparently, it's worse than I actually thought.
Valdearg: More information. Apparently, it's worse than I actually thought.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:28pm
Valdearg: Check the link. Apparently, its more like 20 states that have no protections.
Valdearg: Check the link. Apparently, its more like 20 states that have no protections.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:26pm
Andrew Eisen: In the US? Not that I'm aware of. Sad if true.
Andrew Eisen: In the US? Not that I'm aware of. Sad if true.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:25pm
Valdearg: @AE: Actually, I think, at least for now, businesses can still discriminate against gays in a few states.. Something like 5 or 8. Its part of why Gay Rights Advocates are in support of the Employee Nondiscrimination Act, or ENDA.
Valdearg: @AE: Actually, I think, at least for now, businesses can still discriminate against gays in a few states.. Something like 5 or 8. Its part of why Gay Rights Advocates are in support of the Employee Nondiscrimination Act, or ENDA.
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Once again Rockstar drives more hype by causing controversy. I wonder if the media, realize that they are being used.
I dobut it. There are a lot of morons in the media.
"We may be human, but we're still animals" -Steve Vai (World's greatest guitarist!)
It's a symbiotic relationship. The media knows they are being used. But in exchange, they sell papers and get more hits.
CSI, Law and Order, Cold Case, Criminal Mind, Numbers: All popular and award winning series that show drug useages and drug dealing and nobody gives a damn! They get praised and yet when a video game shows drug dealing, everyone and their mama goes in a shit storm!
"We may be human, but we're still animals" -Steve Vai (World's greatest guitarist!)
Arguably, it's different because you participate in the drug trade and get rewarded for it in GTA, whereas on TV those nasty dealers always get their comeuppance. If the game flashed "YOU ARE A TERRIBLE PERSON" and slapped you upside the head every time you pawned out a dimebag, the comparison would be more valid. I would go with someone the audience is expected to cheer for if I was picking an example -- maybe Cheech & Chong? ;D
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Harold and Kumar =)
Glamorisation doesn’t help our work trying to educate kids of the dangers of substance misuse.
How silly I am. I didn't even realize GTA was a kids education series. I always thought it was an M-Rated game that was about an entertaining story and gameplay. I never knew it was actually a game used to teach children!
My mistake. Shame on rockstar.
Silly rabbit! Games are for kids!
..........all the widdle kiddies have to be protected from the big bad video game companies......
i guess they havent seen "Scarface:The World Is Yours".
Not popular enough.
I miss playing Gang Wars on my TI-83 during class. That was old school drug dealing right there.
Meh, more scapegoat BS. The game is not intended for small children, there are far bigger social and cultural issues that lead to drug use, other forms of media use drug imagery all the time, blah blah blah. We've all made these points before.
At this point I'm pretty much ready to just reply with "1st amendment. Suck it." Yeah it's not mature but I'm honestly getting tired of wasting my breath with these people. (This, of course, only applies to us Yanks. I'm sure you Brits have something similar.)
Tea and cake or death! Tea and cake or death! Little Red Cook-book! Little Red Cook-book!
I don't think we do have an equivalent of the 1st Amendment in the UK. Time was we were able to rely on common sense, the irony being that common sense now seems to be a rare commodity.
Really? I figured most European countries would have some law that protects freedom of speeh/press. Though to be fair I can't say I'm well versed in the laws of other countries.
I think we're in a recession when it comes to common sense and responsiblity these days.
Tea and cake or death! Tea and cake or death! Little Red Cook-book! Little Red Cook-book!
Where was the outrage over Drugwars? Most of the kids with a graphing calculator were playing it when I was in high school.
There was plenty of outrage over it, it brought a lot of attention to the game and I'm sure led to the eventual change from real, to fake/toy weapons that were used. Then of course a while later the fad died.
I've never heard of this calulator game till recently...
Media will always find something to get their panties in a bunch.
Was the story about the evils of narcotics before or after the daily exploitation of female mammary glands on page 3? Not that I'm calling them hypocrites at the Sun for liking boobs and hating drugs; I just think it's odd that they condone airbrushing the former but rag on the virtualization of the latter.
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Really, it's anything to sell newspapers. If they could get away with showing female full frontal nudity, I bet they would.
*deep sigh* It was just a matter of time. A whole bunch of people are gonna bitch that it'll give kids the know-how to sell drugs for real, we gamers will try our best to fight this assumption by saying that this game is obviously not for kids and parents should regulate their kids play time (which, IMHO, they should), and I'm sure at least one nation (maybe Germany or Thailand) will ban the game outright...
Dammit, if we're ever gonna change things for the better, we have to become more politically active. We can't just sit on our duffs and wait for those in power to dictate what we can and cannot do! Hey! If anyone's listening out there, please contact your State Representatives, senators, politicians, whoever, and tell them about the ridiculousness of the opposing views and about the kind of money that would be wasted if regulation laws were enacted. If there was ever a good time to make an impact, now is that time! Gamers around the world, we must unite!
Game on, brothers and sisters.
While you may be right, I'm going to sit this one out. I feel like we are being used this time. While I respect their right to use such in a game if they want, I just think after the 6th or 7th time, it's just a gimmick for them. Somewhere there is a powerpoint presentation and on page 7 is the words "Media Controvercy Hook: Drug Dealing Minigame."
Of course back in the late 90's (I think) there was Orion's Wing Commander: Privateer. I made a lot of money drug dealing, granted that ticked off the local militia and police force, but after shooting them out of space, some of them ejected and were floating about, ready to be tractor beamed in and sold as slaves. After that, it was easy to run guns back to my starting point for my very own Golden Triangle.
All this taught me was the value of money, and now my wife and I live comfortably on a low income salary, relatively debt free, with only a mortgage. Funny how I didn't turn to crime, huh?
Fail... again. Another person who thinks all video games are ment for kids. This guy is totally ignorant to the M rating and the fact that it is aimed toward adult gamers with a DS.
We are all going to die someday. The trick is not to rush it.
"The Stun" is hardly a news source. Expecting "The Stun" to act responsibly towards video game issues is like expecting Faux News to do the same.
Does anyone else think it's way too early for this sort of controversy? I mean we're not sure how it's going to protray the drug trade in this game.
Although it sure seems like they try to protray it as a very unstable industry that you should only get into if you're desperate because of the risks involved.
It has begun...
rockstars reply:
‘Nintendo wanted us to make GTA, and we wanted to make a game on their platform. They didn’t want us to make a GTA for kids, and we weren’t interested in making a game we wouldn’t normally make.’
yay for rockstar
Good to know this. Suck it, Jack Thompson.
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Indeed, but to be totally honest, it doesn't take much to stand up to the sun ;)
I stopped reading at 'tabloid.'
Also what's that loud sobbing sound coming from Florida? .... Took em long enough!
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Yay at Nintendo for asking T2 to make a M rated DS game and YAY for the Moron to finally been given the pink slip!
When Life gives you lemons, you find a new god.
I can't imagine how much money Rockstar saves on advertising and publicity just by having the media trumpet all of their games for them.
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Anything using drug-dealing as entertainment is sending out the wrong message. Glamorisation doesn’t help our work trying to educate kids of the dangers of substance misuse.
Holy cow! Something used as entertainment does show the accuracy of a situation as educational materials do? Video games do not have to fulfill any "education" quota whatsoever. I guess that's why they call video games "entertainment" and not "education".
I'll admit that I've never watched the show, by the rest of my family always watches The Wire... Isn't that kinda based around the illegal trade of various types of drugs? Because, if so, the show is a form of entertainment...
And I thought that the mini-game was being taken out of it?
Edit Addition: Wait a minute, they're commenting on how it sends kids the wrong message, but it's rated M! When will the media start doing research!
Can Rockstar please learn some new tricks? It's getting old.
As I was trying to say....
This isn't new.
In Vice City you did drug deals using an ice cream factory and truck as a front.
This is like complaining that there's nudity in a Playboy Magazine
This post makes no sense to me
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