Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson Coverage

September 27, 2008 -

Hey, Doug Lowenstein. Don't shoot the messengers.

While I've got a lot of respect for Lowenstein, the former ESA president sent a letter to Kotaku yesterday that simply blew my mind.

Commenting on Thursday's Florida Supreme Court order disbarring Jack Thomspon for life, Lowenstein blamed the gaming press for "making Thompson what he became."

Bull.

On this issue Doug Lowenstein should look in the mirror. It was Lowenstein's own unwillingness to stand up to Thompson years ago which emboldened the game-hatin', soon to be ex-attorney. It is a remarkable piece of spin to blame Thompson on the gaming media, but that's exactly what Lowenstein has done:

Time and again, the game press... would ask ESA to engage with, or respond to Thompson's latest excess. The media knew well that he was a charlatan who wholly lacked credibility. But hey, they said, he was news and could not be ignored. That was a cop out. It gave Thompson a platform... 

 

Mainstream outlets... were worse but the game press knew better. But he was the game press' crack. And even as they said privately he was a kook, they treated him as if he was a credible, fair minded critic. That represented an abdication of the critical filtering role the media should play.

 

...for the game press it was all Jack all the time... You help set the tone for mainstream media coverage and if you validate extremists you give license to the less informed to follow your lead.

To be fair, Doug is no stranger to Thompson's tirades. During his days at the helm of the ESA he was a frequent target of the disgraced attorney's most outrageous vitriol.

But, by refusing to respond, Doug dropped the ball. Thompson, finding no resistance from the top of the video game industry, was empowered to push harder. In retrospect, it's important to understand that bullying is the essence of Thompson's strategy. In fact, one of the tips he offers in his forgettable 2005 book, Out of Harm's Way, is "be mean." And, since caveman days, bullies have pushed and pushed until someone got up the nerve to push back.

Doug never pushed back.

Instead, Lowenstein's ESA operated in a sort of la-la land in which Jack Thompson did not exist. As a journalist, I soon learned not to waste time asking the ESA to comment on anything Thompson said or did because, ostrich-like, they pretended that there was no Jack Thompson.

The gaming press, on the other hand, deserves kudos for helping reveal to the larger world the kind of vicious tactics Thompson employed in his culture crusade. And isn't that the function of a free press? You'd think that Doug Lowenstein, a former journalist, would understand that.

Given the nature of what we cover at GamePolitics, Jack Thompson was undoubtedly written about here more than anywhere else. Did the Thompson coverage draw traffic? Yes, as much from the Miami activist's eagerness to mix it up with GP readers in the comments section as from the actual stories. Through his publicity-seeking, over the top antics Thompson came to symbolize anti-game prejudice. Gamers - unlike Doug Lowenstein - invariably wanted a word with him and they often had that opportunity here at GamePolitics.

Was there a price to pay for GP's coverage? Yes. Without going into detail, Thompson threatened me with lawsuits on an almost continual basis. While some might write off such threats as bluster, that's easy to say when you're not the one being threatened. He actually did add my name to one of his million dollar lawsuits until a federal judge ruled that he couldn't. But he didn't stop there. He vilified me to the newspaper that I write for and to the company that formerly hosted GamePolitics. He reported me to the FBI at least a half-dozen times. For a guy with a mortgage and kids and (back then) a day job, this was more than a little stressful. Frankly, I'm incensed at Doug Lowenstein's implication that GP did it for the traffic. I can't speak for other sites, but GamePolitics covered Thompson because there was a story there, a story that needed to be told.

In the end, it was Thompson who carved out his own record. The things that he did and said eventually told the world all it needed to know about Jack Thompson and where he was coming from. It was Thompson, for example, who told a Louisiana newspaper that nobody shoots anybody in the face unless you're a hit man or a video gamer.

It was Thompson who appeared on Fox News while the bodies were still warm at Virginia Tech to claim that video games were responsible for the tragedy. And it was Thompson who carried out the vicious and unprofessional conduct outlined in his 2007 Florida Bar trial, behavior that one victim compared to the emotional equivalent of stalking.

In fact, if there is one thing in GamePolitics' four-year history of which I am most proud, it was our exclusive coverage of those transcripts containing witness testimony from Thompson's Florida Bar trial. If you think Thompson - who can turn on the charm when he wants to - is not such a bad sort, read the transcripts and then decide.

To be sure, GamePolitics wasn't the only game site in Thompson's crosshairs. He filed a lawsuit against Kotaku in 2007. He threatened My Extra Life over a Jack Thompson Photoshop contest. He tried to get the Seattle Police to bust Penny Arcade, and when he found out PA isn't actually in Seattle (doh!), he called the FBI, instead.

As for Doug Lowenstein, he's way out of line to suggest a "critical filtering role" for the gaming press. He is essentially saying that game sites should censor news that the video game industry doesn't like - in this case, news about Jack Thompson. Doug seems to be laboring under the impression that the gaming press works for the benefit of big money game publishers instead of readers.

Doug Lowenstein, of course, left the video game industry in 2007 for a new gig lobbying on behalf of the hedge fund crowd. Come to think of it, isn't there enough for Doug to worry about on Wall Street these days? Perhaps he should leave the gaming issues to the gaming press.

We can handle it. We always have.

 

UPDATE: Destructoid has weighed in on the issue:

Can the coverage of Thompson be defended from a journalistic standpoint? Perhaps. JT was a loudmouth with more words than common sense, but in a world where reality TV stars can become credible icons, ignoring Thompson could have been a bad idea. It was thanks to us that Thompson was exposed for the duplicitous, vulgar and disrespectful man that he is. His personal attacks on industry figures and his many documented online flame wars with youngsters helped to damage whatever credibility he may have been able to forge. 

UPDATE 2: Simon Carless of Gamasutra offers his thoughts:

Probably one of [Thompson's] closest reports, and therefore subjects of his harassment was GamePolitics' Dennis McCauley, and he has a passionate, angry editorial on the subject up on GamePolitics. His view? "By refusing to respond, Doug dropped the ball. Thompson, finding no resistance from the top of the video game industry, was empowered to push harder."

 

I'm not sure I completely agree. There's an argument that you empower trolls by acknowledging them, and then nobody comes out of the situation looking good. Lowenstein realized that preventing state-based legislation against violent games was more important in practical terms than debating Thompson regularly ad infinitum.

UPDATE 3: Aaron Ruby, editor of our sister-site GameCulture adds:

...what the discussion so far has lacked, including Lowenstein's inciting letter, is that it doesn't matter who "created" Jack Thompson. The real issue is that the entire gaming community — journalists, developers, lobbyists and gamers alike — let a hack lawyer with a stunningly unsuccessful track record as a videogame vigilante become its most prized bogeyman...

 

Jack Thompson was a perfect storm, a confluence of circumstance, political climate and the maturation of a medium that now dominates entertainment...  we were allowed to knock down straw man after straw man, irrational argument after unsubstantiated claim, and poorly written law after spurious legal theory. We went after him because he was an easy target. Someone who made us feel smug, superior and ritually oppressed. And in our self-righteousness, we all had a hand in keeping the bogey man alive.

 

In the end, Jack Thompson was the Wicked Witch of Gaming, that evil wretch who always seems ready to poison the world, until, finally, one day she's dowsed with water and melts. And after we're done singing "ding dong, ding dong" from every hill and rooftop, we stop and wonder what all the fuss was about in the first place. And as we catch our breath, we realize the power was ours all along.


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Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

THat is all that needs to be said here.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Hahahaha! Sweet! Castlevania: Symphony of the Night FTW!!!

"For what profit is it to a man, if he gains the world and loses his own soul?" -Paraphrase of Matthew 16:26A by Dracula

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Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Relax.  JT is no Hitler or Bush.  He just wants to ban video games not murder people.WE might dislike him, but he is not that evil for that quote to be used.  He'll just take this a sign of how obsessed video gamers are.

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Wow, over reaction much?

This quote does not apply to John Bruce alone. The ESA as has kept extremely silent in the face of attacks on video games. Sure they fight legislation WHEN IT IS PASSED. But they completely ignore the media and their biased reporting. They ignore groups like PTC and CCFC and NIMF who seek to undo everything the ESRB and other parts of the industry have done.

The more we ignore these people, the more their messages will reach those people who could have been on our side. When you have someone telling you how bad the video game industry in one ear while at the same time, the video game industry just sits quiet in the corner, wouldn't you believe the person actually talking to you?

The ESA needs to be more proactively engaged in positive outreach to the average person. They cannot just play defense all the time. You have to play the offense at some point or the best that will come of it is a stale mate.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

I am not arguing your points about the ESA and their silence on JT.  I am just saying that the quote you used is kind of strong for JT.  It just gives him ammo to target gamers.

 Think of it this way,  If I used that saying against someone who wants to ban books with sex from being checked from minors in a library in whatever managing meeting the library has, wouldn't that make me look stupid.  Evil to that extent is not done. 

I personally believe the ESA should have tackled JT head on.

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

I am more than willing to use another quote, if it is simple, applicable, and packs the same punch. As it stands, my above statements do not translate well into something with the same punch. So I chose to use the former.

I must ask though, would the PTC or CCFC or NIMF had been so adamant in their oposition to the games industry, if we had reached out to them the moment we noticed their doubts? I think not. They could have been some of our biggest allies if we did not simply ignore them.

Now we learned that with John Bruce. After the video game industry chose to ignore him, his efforts increased. I honestly don't think he ever would have become an ally to the games industry had we had reached out to him in the beginning. Many gamers certainly tried reaching out to him during the years and he treated us with bile and hatred. Perhaps we caused that. There certainly many gamers who treated him the exact same way. Should he really expect anything different from anyone else with the gamer tag.

You don't make friends by ignoring people. But the smae could be said about ridiculing and harassing people as well.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Personally, I think your original quote was perfect, EZK.

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

I'd speak up against that and for the same reason that the legislations have been ruled in violation of the constitution . Banning material because you may find it offensive is a violation of the letter and the spirit of the first amendment. And I quote.

 

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

 

 

 

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Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

guess your're right. 

Somehow that post by EZK made me feel at unease. 

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Think of it in more modern and fitting words right now. "if you didn't say anything about the problem, you have no right to complain about the answer."

 

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Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

I'm no fan of that Lowenstein fellow, but where is it a rule that if you don't complain you can't have an opinion?

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

 Why so serious?

 

John 5:17 handles this pretty well: "All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death."

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Dennis, you hit the nail right on the head. Kudos

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

the problem was JT spamed his press releases everywhere, and managed to get onto TV such as fox news and 60 minutes without GP or the other game media talking about him

thus his voice is already getting out there, by not confronting him over his views and talking about it, the other side never gets heard and he's the only voice out there that anybody hears

if the gaming press hadn't talked about him would thompson be what he is today? one really can't say, it's possible that he would have dropped it (though unlikely), though in my view it's more likely he would be louder, and perhaps actually have followers because of the "If there is no opposition to his view, it must be right" attitude of the Amarican public

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

...didn't Lowestein himself say once that the Jack problem was because they spent too long ignoring him, and not providing a voice for the other side? Or was that someone else?

/b

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

i believe that was Hal Harpin commenting on Doug Lowenstiens stance on the Thompson issue

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Aha- thanks.

/b

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Just goes to prove that the ESA is about as useful as the UN.

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

The UN building attracts tourists at the very least.

Remember remember the 25th of September. Twas the day Jack Thompson was disbarred.

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Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Its not surprising that Lowenstein made those comments.  He never fought back against Thompson, if it hadn't been for the game press trying to take him to task on his nonsense he may have been accepted by more mainstream outlets as a credibile source.

Lowenstein just wants to toss blame at the game press for picking up his slack.

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

that guy can disappear off of the face of the Earth with JT with comments like that, and i still wouldnt care...

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Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Kudos to GamePolitics for putting up with JT's crap and Lowenstein's. 

Although I see where's he's coming from. JT thrived because people paid attention to him; that's why the ESA ignored him. But his campaign (if you could call it that) wasn't the gaming press, especially not ECA's, fault. 

It was Fox, and CBS, and ABC, and several other major news networks that considered JT a reliable source. Eventually, all but Fox saw through him, but that's who JT was getting his steam from: non-gamers who would listen. 

It's good that GamePolitics, as well as many other game sites and mags, covered JT and his misguided attempts at legislation. It gave us ammo against him.

Doug is half-right (50% = F). Press coverage was JT's power, but it came from those that thought him a noble crusader. Not the gaming press, who saw him for what he truly was: a bully, a blowhard, and an idiot.

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Nice article GP!

I think it went both ways.  Yes, Jack Thompson dug his own grave with his behavior and his antics for the past few years.  I also believe online gamers kept pushing him around, including Dennis and the visitors of GamePolitics.  I have read every article starting mid 2007 (I just now made an account), and every day there are people talking bad about Jack Thompson and making harassing comments about him, even if the article didn't have anytrhing to do with him.  Dennis sometimes wrote about Thompson at times when he didn't do anything (articles like the Janet Reno story from 20 years ago).

I'm not trying to be mean.  GamePolitics is cool and everything, but don't be a hypocrite.

 

EDIT: The ESA shouldn't be talking, because they don't stand up to anybody except pirates.

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Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

 In the LJ days, it became abundantly clear that all you had to do to aggrevate Thompson was be alive and play video games. Video Gamers that don't kill people are an affront to his reality, as offensive to him as showing a mental patient who thinks they are Abe Lincoln a newspaper about Lincoln being long dead. 

 

Trolling him is just easy and fun.

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

 But it gave us ammo to fight JT with: his bad record. 

I don't blame Doug for turning the other cheek; he had bigger problems to deal with (cough) lieberman (cough) clinton (cough). But he did need to keep an eye on JT like we did. 

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Well said, GP.

The ESA dissapoints again!

We all know JT feeds off of people covering his atrocities and gets off on it. That sucks, but it would be far worse to not cover him at all and have people thinking he's one of the good guys.

And the line: "Making Thompson what he became" is shockingly close to the accusations that "games made *insert name of psychotic killer here* what he became".

Most of all though, what the fuck did the god damned ESA do to try and keep him down? Hell, I'm almost more angry at the ESA than JT for not stepping up sooner.

 

We still have a lot to go through before the politicians and the holier than thou "moral crusaders" give up the ghost and recognize that in the end, it all comes down to people and choices. For that, we need a stronger ESA, or a new organization to do what they should have always been doing.

 

-Remember kids, personal responsibility is for losers! For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007) Just to name a few...

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: The ESA dissapoints again!

We have a stronger ESA, it's called the ECA.

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Re: The ESA dissapoints again!

If you're the protecter of videoland, shouldn't you be Captain N?

Re: The ESA dissapoints again!

OBJECTION!!! Irrelevant!

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Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Nice pissed off article GP.  I enjoyed reading it.  The ESA allowed JT to flourish because they just ignored him.

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

yes, I don't usually get angry, but this one...

 

 

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

You're a journalist. You're entitled to write an opinion piece every now and again, especially when it's an issue that's had a huge effect on your job and personal life.

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Personally, Dennis, I don't blame you. Him ignoring JT is like those people trying to appease Hitler.

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Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Why must you incite Godwin's law?

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Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Don't know about that. Don't speak of it again.

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Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Hey wait besides people Thompson worked with weren't Rockstar the only people to fight Thompson in an instance where they weren't dragged into court by him? Oh well, why play the blame game now that Thompson's is disbarred? It would've been more appropriate when he was still doing something.

Remember remember the 25th of September. Twas the day Jack Thompson was disbarred.

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Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Oh wow, ESA and they're wonderful logic. How many more game companies are removing themselves from the ESA? Obviously they are all a bunch of hacks who really have not helped gamers or the preception of gamers.  We need a new lobbying body

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

My vote goes to the ECA.

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Yeah but they did give us an impeccable court record, but there hasn't been another piece of legislation pop up in a while. Probably because there is a lot more important stuff to deal with right now.

Remember remember the 25th of September. Twas the day Jack Thompson was disbarred.

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Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Worst place to quote V for Vendetta. You do remember that quote was establishing the fact that a man could be caught and killed but his idea could still change the world. Sound similiar in any way to this situation?

Still, sweet movie.

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Just to clarify, the original rhyme is the traditional used to commemorate Guy Fawkes Day, the man who tried to blow up Parliament. V for Vendetta used the Guy Fawkes motiff thematically (and as V's mask), but the quote is far older than the movie, or the graphic novel the movie is based on.

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Yeah, I know the actual quote is much older, but pretty much anyone who uses it nowadays does so in reference to V for Vendetta.

 

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

I also have to weigh in here on behalf of England.  English people know the rhyme far better than they know that mediocre film.

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

They still celebrate Guy Fawkes Day in Britain. I imagine you speak for the U.S., but in the U.K. it's not just an old rhyme, it's still a modern holiday. Alan Moore used a nursery rhyme that English school children learn, even if it seems shiny and new to Americans.

Also, Guy Fawkes was a Catholic Englishman who plotted to blow up Parliament due to, ahem, religious differences...in a sense, Jack Thompson could be, conceivably, a spiritual successor to the real, historical Guy, not the pro-anarchy, anti-fascist character called 'V' created by Alan Moore, nor the slightly watered down version of the 'terrorist' portrayed in the film, but rather the religious zealot willing to go to extreme lengths to get his viewpoint across. This is the danger of losing the historically accurate origin when presenting those lines.

While V for Vendetta is a fantastic graphic novel, and an okay film translation of said graphic novel, "pretty much anyone" may only be a SMALL percentage of people who know at least the basic origins of the rhyme.

So please

Remember, remember the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason, why gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot.

 

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Apparently, most of you don't know the real rhyme.
Its not a rhyme honoring Guy Fawkes, it was one damning both him and the Catholic faith.

Remember, remember the Fifth of November,
The Gunpowder Treason and Plot to surrender,
I know of no reason
Why the Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot.
Guy Fawkes, Guy Fawkes, t'was his intent
To blow up King and Parli'ment.
Three-score barrels of powder below
To prove old England's overthrow;
By God's providence he was catch'd
With a dark lantern and burning match.
Holloa boys, holloa boys, let the bells ring.
Holloa boys, holloa boys, God save the King!

This is the part of the poem/children's rhyme that most people know.  It's still taught in most British schools today.  However, there is a second part, one that has been removed from what is taught in most schools.

A penny loaf to feed the Pope
A farthing o' cheese to choke him.
A pint of beer to rinse it down.
A fagot of sticks to burn him.
Burn him in a tub of tar.
Burn him like a blazing star.
Burn his body from his head.
Then we'll say ol' Pope is dead.
Hip hip hoorah!
Hip hip hoorah hoorah!

As we can see, the rhyme isn't about revolution or change, its about the death of a man who personified those things, and the hatred of the Church of England and the King for the Catholic Faith at the time that Guy Fawkes made his attempt at changing history.

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

I thought it was:

Remember Remember the fifth of November,

Gunpowder treason and plot.

Was Guy Fawkes a devil, the Stuarts all Saints,

Are we glad that we stopped him or not? 

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Does that really say 'Holla boys', or do you pronounce it differently? Or and do you know the origins of that rhyme from 1984?

You know the ones (grabs book)

"Oranges and lemons say the bells of St. Clemens

You owe me three farthings say the bells of St. Martin's"

There might be a second one in the book too, not sure if this is the same rhyme or not (And I'm not going to read the entire book again to find out)

"Under the spreading chestnut tree

I sold you and you sold me

There lie they, and here lie we

Under the spreading chestnut tree"

Anyway, that's the origin of the quote? I feel like I need to change my sig now. Ok give me a minute, and I'll have a quote from the funniest site on the internet (whatever you think it is you're wrong). I wish I could revive the site but I don't know all the coding I'll need. Anyway how's this.

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Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Oranges and Lemons is a different rhyme.  It goes:

"Oranges and lemons", say the bells of St. Clement's
"You owe me five farthings", say the bells of St. Martin's
"When will you pay me?" say the bells of Old Bailey
"When I grow rich", say the bells of Shoreditch
"When will that be?" say the bells of Stepney
"I do not know", says the great bell of Bow
Here comes a candle to light you to bed
And here comes a chopper to chop off your head!

Some people believe it has to do with the execution of King Charles I.

Re: Former ESA Boss Couldn't Be More Wrong about Jack Thompson

Well Jt isn't dead yet and there was one censor who's ideas pretty much died with her (She had a crusade against D&D). And the quote reminded of a revolution so ... yeah. Well do you have any other ideas?

Remember remember the 25th of September. Twas the day Jack Thompson was disbarred.

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E. Zachary KnightMarvel's response is the best.10/22/2014 - 9:31pm
Andrew EisenI'll be streaming some games tonight at 8p PST in preparation for Saturday's marathon. twitch.tv/andreweisen10/22/2014 - 9:30pm
Adam802http://www.cbsnews.com/news/3d-video-games-surprising-concern/10/22/2014 - 9:16pm
MaskedPixelanteI'm not sure how to feel about Ultron's mouth. I'm sure he has one in the comics, but this is getting dangerously close to Transformers "Optimus has a defined mouth and it looks super weird" territory for me.10/22/2014 - 8:49pm
Andrew EisenMarvel on the leaked Avengers 2 trailer: https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/52507165630662656010/22/2014 - 8:09pm
E. Zachary KnightI squeed like a little girl when I watched the leaked Avengers Age of Ultron trailer. So much awesome.10/22/2014 - 6:47pm
quiknkoldI have a problem with games that use a digit for sequals when clearly they can be called something else. Five Nights at Freddy's 2? Nonono. Its "Another Five Nights at Freddy's" or "Five Nights Week 2"10/22/2014 - 5:30pm
E. Zachary KnightExtra Credits has come out against GamerGate. https://www.facebook.com/ExtraCredits/posts/86104175727438610/22/2014 - 5:28pm
E. Zachary Knightis it really that hard to answer a question, that to me seems fairly straight forward? I ask, because I have asked a specific question now 3 times without an actual answer in the wastebook thread.10/22/2014 - 5:20pm
Andrew EisenFive Nights at Freddy's 2! Yay! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVPONdZBh6s10/22/2014 - 5:07pm
Matthew Wilsonyou guys know he doesnt work for ea anymore?10/22/2014 - 5:02pm
WymorenceYou forgot having to open Unity through Origin too. :p10/22/2014 - 4:37pm
MaskedPixelanteUnity will now be licensed out half finished, with remaining tools to be sold back to you for 10-15 dollars a piece.10/22/2014 - 3:23pm
E. Zachary KnightNot a big fan of this news, but Unity3D's CEO is stepping down and John Riccitiello steps up. http://gamasutra.com/view/news/228384/Helgason_steps_down_as_Unity_CEO_and_John_Riccitiello_steps_up.php10/22/2014 - 3:06pm
MaskedPixelanteIt's probably extremism.10/22/2014 - 12:07pm
Matthew Wilsonthat being said, they are more likely to blame religious extremists than games.10/22/2014 - 12:01pm
Matthew Wilsonlets just hope they dont try to blame video games.10/22/2014 - 12:00pm
MaskedPixelanteOh joy, Ottawa's on lockdown, this is going to be a fun couple of days...10/22/2014 - 11:56am
 

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