Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3
Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3
October 2, 2008
PC gamers can rejoice.
Bethesda spokesman Pete Hines has told Shacknews that the PC flavor of the hotly anticipated Fallout 3 will use a simple DVD check for verification:
[Fallout 3 will be] pretty similar to what we did for Oblivion, which was--we basically don't do any [DRM]--we do the mildest form possible. I actually don't know if I even want to get into what it is that we exactly do, but we try to be really noninvasive when it comes to that stuff.
And it is a pain in the ass--it is a pain in the ass that we have to do it at all in the first place. But when you spend tens of millions of dollars, we don't think it's right to just put something out there and let everybody do whatever they want and pass it around...
But no, we're pretty mild about how we do it, and we try to do it in a way that prevents folks from exploiting and distributing our games that we worked very hard on... It's very important for us not to ruin the experience for the person who did buy a copy, so we try to be very careful... We want to remove anything that is a hindrance or an annoyance to the player, we're trying to just get to the game and have fun...
Shacknews also notes that Fallout 3 will have no install limit. You listening, EA?
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Actually, probably a minority here, I'd sooner have one time internet activation. I just hate disk checks, the DVD drive is the noisest thing on my PC and it irritates the hell out of me.
Gift.
Then get a crack..... disc cracks are much easier to deal with.
They could do both and let you decide but the problem is the current securom setup is a one way ticket...
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I've toyed with getting cracks for a while now, but the thing is I just don't trust them. Plus I'd feel like a criminal... I know it makes no sense, but then I wouldn't claim to be rational on the matter. ;)
Gift.
I worry about them having a virus/trojan implanted, but I do not feel guilty one little bit if I've bought the game.
If you go to a dedicated site, such as game copy world, they check for viruses/trojans before they post them on their site(s). PLus, if you have real time virus protection, spyware scanner, and trojan scanner, you have nothing to worry about.
Oh hey can you ask your supervisor if they have any other openings over there at EA?
Haha :P
Just saying, I'd rather have no checks but if a company has to include them I'd sooner not have to keep a disk in the drive. I don't like disk checks, they're still an inconvenience I could do without. Indeed, I don't really think Bethesda are doing anything praiseworthy here; they're still restricting what you can do.
If devs positively must have DRM, one time activation on install would be my preference. No limits, no dialing home every two minutes or other such nonsense. None of it's effective anyway.
Gift.
Solution: Create an ISO of your game disc and mount it with Daemon Tools. That solution has worked for me for every game in the last 5 years that I have played with disc checks.
Hmm thanks, I'll give that a whirl.
Gift.
My only complaint is that, as a result, it won't be available for digital distribution (initially, anyway) which is my preferred method of buying PC games. Still it's a minor complaint at most and it's far better than SecuROM. And at least they are treating the consumer with some respect.
Looks like I'll have to get my lazy ass over to Best Buy if I want this game. Ah well, poor me. :)
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As a PC gamer, I'll be buying Sins of a Solar Empire once I get the money for it (College student status comes first). Likewise, if this truthfully is confirmed to have no DRM and if it simply requires a DVD check, that's ok. I will buy it. I can always image the DVD to an iso and place it on my external 2.5" HDD. All I want is no crap floating around on my PC that I didn't put there or have knowledge of putting there. Especially if it is floating in the Kernel.. The only thing I authorize to even look anywhere close to that deep is my anti-virus.
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I'm with you, mounting an image is MUCH easier than dealing with securom.
I absolutely love Bethesda. They, along with Bioware, hold a very special place in my heart. And therefore they get my hard earned cash (unlike certain greedy bastards, hint, hint, EA!)
Just be careful with Bioware. They are owned by EA and it was EA that wanted Mass Effect to have Securom.
Just a warning for you.
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Indeed, but Bioware opposed EA on our behalf then - I am sticking with them as long as they don't go with EA on this shit.
I don't remember Bioware saying anywhere that they did not want Securom on Mass Effect.
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I am reasonably sure I remember them expressing regret about there being such measures. At any rate, it was Bioware, not EA, who removed the authentication checks from ME.
So what? I'd take DRM that requires hourly blood tests if it meant I could play the noncensorphip version of the game.
EA > Bethesda At least in the testicles department.
EA is greater than Bethesda? I think you meant it the other way.
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You do realsie they censor down games all the time and never gets much press becuse is part of the dev process.
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You have that inequality backwards.
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By "censorship" do you mean just "changing the word 'morphine' to something better fitting the rest of the game"? Because if so, dude.
Yes, that is what I am refering to. And how Bethseda lost my $50 in that I will NOT be buying the game now.
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""Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3
Submitted by Erik - October 2, 2008 at 7:47 pm -0500Yes, that is what I am refering to. And how Bethseda lost my $50 in that I will NOT be buying the game now.""
You do realize that morphine was never in the first 2 games, they basically changed the name of stimpack to make it sound more hip,trendy and realistic...and thus full of fail....
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Yes I am aware that it wasn't in either of the first two games.
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Fallout 3 was censored because gamers don't have "the testicles" to fight for uncensored games.
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That's a pretty retarded thing to say. Ooh, they changed "morphine" into "med-x"! Oh noes! You really shouldn't get your panties in a bunch over something so insignificant.
I can not praise them for doing what they should automatically doing in the first place, but I can speak badly about the people who do what they shouldnt be doing.
I really wonder if thre isn't some way to do digital distribution via a virtual drive tool. I don't know if it would be possible but it seems to me like you should be able to DL an .iso file you can mount into a virtual drive and that would satisfy the disc check.
I know there would be some technological difficulties, maybe a way to prevent the file from being copied? Like you can transfer the the single copy you can DL (or maybe can copy it 2 or 3 times).
The thing is, making a piece of digital information uncopyable is the whole point of DRM. That's what it's trying to DO. Everything from SecuROM to Safedisk to Tages to Star-Force, it's all an attempt at stopping people from illegally copying and distributing software.
Due to the very nature of digital information, however, you can't prevent someone from copying it without installing an invasive program that monitors the computer and attempts to stop you if it decides you are trying to do something it doesn't want you to do. That's exactly what most DRM is, a program that tries to recognize if you are pirating software, and to put a stop to it if it decides that you are.
Writing software that can't be copied is kind of like writing a song that only you would physically be able to sing, or a school essay that nobody would be able to plagiarize.
The whole point of a physical disk check is that you can't copy it. It's imperfect since people DO have ways of copying it, but in the end that's still its purpose. Converting the disk into a digital equivalent, an ISO file, would be taking away the only strength it has. The ISO would become just another computer file, and checking it would do no more good than checking to make sure the game's own .exe file is still there.
I wish copy protection could be that simple, but without invasive and potentially harmful programs monitoring your computer usage, it's not. =/
They have the technology and the ability o make reasonably consumer friendly DRM.
You install it with a key it has disc protection you may have the option of online authentication and remove the disc protection from your copy.
The trouble comes the industry is only interested in PR and hyperbole...Consumer friendly? only if forced....
IMO it should a 3 way setup.
1.Key for install and personalization, disc protection + key ensures the consumer may play the mostly whole game offline, online only is a taboo.
2.Online authent removes disc protection.
3.Register for an account and you can manage your DRM driven games.
If they use this setup the hard install limits before flood indicators instead of limiting the game to 3-5 tokens which might be doubled for the real hard limit in a set period of time you use this system as away to prevent flooding installs.
You can backup Key check with a key check server that is passize and works in the back ground to check the key each time you play but it dose not force anything unless it finds your key is bad.
This process is meant to slow illegitimate installs and not rape the consumer in the arse.
With the top new PC games being DRM riddled I have stop buying new ones the added hassle has made them worth-less to me as I don't feel comfortable buying it for more than 15$ wif shipping..
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Just imagine. If Bethesda, which I think is some kind of subsidiary of 2K Games, which is a subsidiary of Take Two, got bought by EA, then we probably WOULD have a one install limit on this game.
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Umm no......Bethesda is its own publisher and its own dev, from time to time they will join with other publishers to get a game out or re release it but for the msot part they are their own dev/pub house.
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Ahh... well then, never mind. It seems that these people get it. Getting the game out to as many people as possible is much more important than risking $300,000 of sales just to keep from losing $300.
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Well that's just stupid.
DVD checks are annoying as hell and will bother legit users, while pirated versions will come with a no-DVD crack and the pirates will be rewarded, yet again.
And DVD checks are also far more acceptable in that as long as you've got your disk, you can play. No malware installing itself in your kernel to check online authentication servers that might not be there in a few years, or refuse to let you play after a couple of installs or hardware upgrades.
-Gray17
"DVD checks are also far more acceptable in that as long as you've got your disk"
That's the problem though isnt it? As you can't make a back up if that disk gets damaged you've got to get another or a crack. Just as irritating as any other form of DRM IMO, and it still treats the consumer like a criminal. It's unfortunate that we've got to the point that people think Bethesda are doing us all a favour by using a disk check on Fallout 3.
Gift.
I take it you hate console gaming just for that fact?
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I'd imagine the logic is that console games require you to have the game in the drive. Ergo, if he hates being forced to have a disc in the DVD drive, he must not be found of console games either.
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That is exactly my point.
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I think a key difference is that a console needs the disc in the drive because it needs it there to constantly read things from it. PCs have big enough hard drives to hold the contents of the disc many times over, so there's no technological reason for the disc check.
That said, I don't like the disc check either, but it's something I can live with. As long as it's not insane like the old Morrowind disc checking, anyway; I had to crack that because it was dragging my performance into the toilet.
True. Consoles don't allow you to install everything on the harddrive. Some not at all.
Id make my point on this a little further down, but for clarification, I don't mind CD checks. It makes gaming consistent accross platforms.
But I do understand why people hate it, because it make you PC experience inconstistent.
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"I don't mind CD checks. It makes gaming consistent accross platforms."
Except, as you allude to below, from a PC gamer's perspective consistent means inconvenient. PC's have larger hardisks, there's no need to run a game off of a disk or even look at said disk once installed.
Gift.
But the point is that, despite the reason for it, having to put the disk in isn't as much of an inconvenience as some people claim it to be, and in the days of dangerous and invasive DRM, disk checks are NOT what we should be complaining about. I think people need to pick their battles. In the end, disk checks are uninvasive, a very minor inconvenience, and about as effective as any other form of DRM. Right now, with monsters such as SecuROM and the like, that's the kind of copy protection we should be striving for, not fighting against.
Is EA hiring people to do pro-DRM PR on this site or something?
DVD checks aren't all that different from just running straight off the disc. It's a little annoying to some I guess but I find it much better than installing a root file, without my consent, onto my computer that cannot be deleted.
As for the piracy comment you're just wasting your breath. Piracy will never go away no matter what the companies do. Much like other illegal activities it will always be around. Companies may have a right to protect their IPs but legit customers have a right to not be affected by the collatoral damage in an effort to stop the pirates. To think that a DVD check "rewards" pirates is, quite frankly, a stupid thing to say. No defense is fool proof.
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Yes, yes they are.
No DVD check?
Game companys have to protect their work somehow, and Bethesda is doing it painlessly. If you can't get the disc and put it in the drive then you are just lazy.
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I'm sure many people don't even consider it odd that you need the media in to play. After all, the same applies to CD players, DVD players, consoles, video recorders, record players, and old computers that ran off floppy disk or tape.
omg, finally someone is listening
luckly this bethesda guy is listen to folks out there... but it's hard for EA to listen when it has their heads up their arses
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Hopefully this, with the outcry over Spore and the impending class-action lawsuit, will cause EA to ditch SecuROM entirely for the release of C&C: Red Alert 3, as both games are being released around the same time.
Not to mention that given the history of the Red Alert series, it will be freakin' awesome and it'd be a terrible shame to have people not buy an awesome game because of a very valid reason.
Good, I was already planning on buying this - with no DRM, you can GUARANTEE I will get it.
A good DRM setup allows full off line installation and play, then offers less disc protections if you use the online authentication you may play it without the disc, hell if you register the game you could install it without a passcode but it links that game to an account in a way as you need the email address of the account or number off it to play the game, think of it as a 2ndary backup code that allows you to install the game without the manuals code but tis linked to an account.
Of corse if there is a flood of 10+ installs a day there might be something bad going on. Pubs need to remember DRM should be for flood control not install limits.
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I would be cool with a primary install where I dont need a disc for my main computer that always has online, and a disc requirement for the rest of my computers. That is just me though. I only have 4 computers I have games on that I use in a given month, and one of them is about to die for good (laptop that cost more than it is worth to fix).
Yeah, I could live with that... I want at least one install that doesnt need a disc as long as I have an online connection though. It would be okay if I couldnt have more than one computer using the game at the same time with an online connection as well... I donno, this is a whole mess.
So many different people have different needs. A family could buy a game, and have a father and son that both want to play it. In all honesty, these games cost too fucking (sorry for the language, but it is that insane) much for them to require you to buy 2 games to be able to both play. I can buy a new movie for $15 and how many ever people are over can play it, but Spore cost $50, and in all honesty, this game doesnt have that long of a lifespan of entertainment. I would say it has 20 hours for one person.
A movie is at least 2 hours for a group of 4, so 8 hours total at $15. Times 3 for $45 and 24 hours total. So less money/entertainment hour. I have to say the replay value isnt as great as it should be either for Spore. While a movie you can hand off to a friend and their family or whoever to watch, it isnt locked to your DVD player, and that isn't illegal. Yet handing off a game somehow is? Wait a second am I missing something?
So yes, protection is fine, but DRM went overboard.
I have no good answer, and Zip has a decent one, I give up.
One of the coolest features of any game I ever played is the Blizzard Spawn install. This allows you to install a spawn of your instal onto another computer and the two computers can play with each other as long as the full install has the cd. This is perfect for multiplayer PC games. This would so help out on Co-op mode for many PC games.
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"""""""""""""""'One of the coolest features of any game I ever played is the Blizzard Spawn install. This allows you to install a spawn of your instal onto another computer and the two computers can play with each other as long as the full install has the cd. This is perfect for multiplayer PC games. This would so help out on Co-op mode for many PC games."""""""""""
Well spwan setup dose not sound bad as an added layer to "friendly" DRM.
But frankly I would like to try and have more control over the process from a pub stand point, even so much giving out spawn keys from a registered account, this process can be simplified with a easily gotten file and/or email+5 digit code with this they could l even let users mail links for the spawn install, or let users distro it off the disc or file and letting friends puts their "spawn code" in and you are linked to everyone under the main install.
I would like to see a simple but feature rich setup that only hassles consumers if a bad key is found other wise you have full off line play with a minuim of disc protection.
I go over even more things in the forms.
http://forums.theeca.com/showthread.php?p=87255#post87255
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I would be cool with a primary install where I dont need a disc for my main computer that always has online, and a disc requirement for the rest of my computers. That is just me though. I only have 4 computers I have games on that I use in a given month, and one of them is about to die for good (laptop that cost more than it is worth to fix).
Yeah, I could live with that... I want at least one install that doesnt need a disc as long as I have an online connection though. It would be okay if I couldnt have more than one computer using the game at the same time with an online connection as well... I donno, this is a whole mess.
So many different people have different needs. A family could buy a game, and have a father and son that both want to play it. In all honesty, these games cost too fucking (sorry for the language, but it is that insane) much for them to require you to buy 2 games to be able to both play. I can buy a new movie for $15 and how many ever people are over can play it, but Spore cost $50, and in all honesty, this game doesnt have that long of a lifespan of entertainment. I would say it has 20 hours for one person.
A movie is at least 2 hours for a group of 4, so 8 hours total at $15. Times 3 for $45 and 24 hours total. So less money/entertainment hour. I have to say the replay value isnt as great as it should be either for Spore. While a movie you can hand off to a friend and their family or whoever to watch, it isnt locked to your DVD player, and that isn't illegal. Yet handing off a game somehow is? Wait a second am I missing something?
So yes, protection is fine, but DRM went overboard.
I have no good answer, and Zip has a decent one, I give up.
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So you are saying I haz brains there for the world ends so why bother thinking about it anymore? :P
EZK putout a good one but frankly it dose not deal with mass installs andinfermation over your..er.."installs" I'll go into more detail under EZKs post..
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On a somewhat random note, I love what Blizzard's been doing. As far as I know they've only ever used a common CD key plan with their games, and now they're even loosening up on that. An official patch was released for Starcraft and Warcraft 3 that made them not require you to have the CDs in the drive anymore, and if you make an account on Blizzard's web site you can register your CD keys for Starcraft, Warcraft 3, and Diablo 2. Doing that stores the CD keys in your Blizzard account for easy recovery, and also lets you re-download any game you've registered at any time.
Totally optional process, but a pretty cool way of doing things, IMO. I wish I'd found out about it before I lost my Diablo 2 discs. (>_<) I guess Blizzard doesn't have as much to worry about, though, with pretty much all of their games having online multiplayer (which is the only place having more than one person using the same CD key actually matters) as a huge draw.
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Now if only they would do that with Warcraft 2 Battle.Net That thing still requires a cd.
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To me, I don't mind having to insert a disk in the drive to play a game. It is like that on consoles.
But Ido understand people who don't. They expect their PC games to function the same as their other software. Can you imagine if Microsoft required you to insert the Office disk every time. Or Adobe did when you wanted to use Photoshop. They want their PC using experience to be seemless an consistant.
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Well done Bethedsa. You get rewarded with a purchase of Fallout 3 on the PC from me.
EA / Spore... you'll get nothing and like it.
I was already planning on buying Fallout 1 and 2 as well as the tactics game from GoG.com This has solidified my desire to buy Fallout 3.
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Yay! It'll be out just in time for me to finish exams and i can buy it without feeling like I'm supporting something stupid at all...
You know, unless the game is really bad but i have every impression that they *tried* on this one so they can have some points anyway.
*nuzzles his multiple legal copies of fallout 1+2* (one of them is an impromptu gift for a friend who needs to understand what love is)
First off farther down the interview Hines is asked specifically about install limits and replies with "I don't know." Considering Bethesda's history though I kind of doubt we'll see any. Secondly if those out there who can't stand Disc-Checks are willing to spend a little money and roll the dice you can pick up a program called Game Jackal. It basically reads your disc once and creates a no-cd patch for your game. I've found it doesn't work on everything, namely SecuROM 7 protection, but it's still pretty handy.
Disk-checking is fine by me. I'll probably be getting the console version of Fallout 3 though. My PC sucks too much atm, and I don't have the money for upgrades... Though, my 360 is also broken and I don't have the money to fix it.... ...Life sucks... T-T
As soon as I heard the news, I immediately went out and preordered the ultimate edition from Amazon. This announcement cemented my choice of ordering it for the PC rather than a console as I'd really like for companies to get the message that DRM hinders sales rather than helps it.
If they ever bother to strip out SecureROM from Spore, I'll probably pick that up as well. I'm not too keen on paying money for a game only to have it install shit (and SecureROM is nothing less) on my computer.
"If they ever bother to strip out SecureROM from Spore, I'll probably pick that up as well."
Meh, don't bother, it's not that good. Unless it's on budget and even then I'm not sure it's worth having.
Gift.
No different thanthe copy of Oddworld I got at a thrift store.
As I had said befor,e this DRM crap hsould have stopped at either having the disc in the drive or CD keys.
It's not like SecureROM will defeat real pirates, Spore was cracked within a day or so of it's release. What was the point? It didn't stop pirates, it only pissed off customers. The CD-Key check along with whatever copy protection the disk probably has will hindrence average PC users trying to make a copy to give to their friends or whatever, which it's assumably effective at
Hurrey!
Now we just need to get it on Steam, and 99% of all gamers would be happy. And im sure it would mean more sales. I guess Fallout 3 will have some great multiplayer, so with a solid CDkey check everything should be fine for all of us, with the execption of the pirates who must sit in the cold since they cannot join the online adventure.
I guess everyone can agree that SecuROM failed, with the fact that the initial purpose of the system does not linter the piracy, its as easy to crack as a CD check and that CD check does not need to install "hidden processes" that does not leave the computer with a succesfully uninstallation of the game.
Pre-ordering now. Thank you bethesda.
I actually wasn't going to buy this game, what I'd seen of it before I just stopped paying attention was way too graphic for me, the zombies in oblivion were too much for me too.
But if bethesda listens to its customers like this, I'll encourage it, even to the tune of 50 bucks for a game I'll never play in hopes they continue it for TES V.