Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

October 2, 2008

PC gamers can rejoice.

Bethesda spokesman Pete Hines has told Shacknews that the PC flavor of the hotly anticipated Fallout 3 will use a simple DVD check for verification:

[Fallout 3 will be] pretty similar to what we did for Oblivion, which was--we basically don't do any [DRM]--we do the mildest form possible. I actually don't know if I even want to get into what it is that we exactly do, but we try to be really noninvasive when it comes to that stuff.

And it is a pain in the ass--it is a pain in the ass that we have to do it at all in the first place. But when you spend tens of millions of dollars, we don't think it's right to just put something out there and let everybody do whatever they want and pass it around...

But no, we're pretty mild about how we do it, and we try to do it in a way that prevents folks from exploiting and distributing our games that we worked very hard on... It's very important for us not to ruin the experience for the person who did buy a copy, so we try to be very careful... We want to remove anything that is a hindrance or an annoyance to the player, we're trying to just get to the game and have fun...

Shacknews also notes that Fallout 3 will have no install limit. You listening, EA?

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Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by Matthew on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 12:21.

By "censorship" do you mean just "changing the word 'morphine' to something better fitting the rest of the game"? Because if so, dude.

Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by Erik on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 19:47.

Yes, that is what I am refering to. And how Bethseda lost my $50 in that I will NOT be buying the game now.

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Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by ZippyDSMlee on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:40.

""Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by Erik - October 2, 2008 at 7:47 pm -0500

Yes, that is what I am refering to. And how Bethseda lost my $50 in that I will NOT be buying the game now.""

You do realize that morphine was never in the first 2 games, they basically changed the name of stimpack to make it sound more hip,trendy and realistic...and thus full of fail....

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Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by Erik on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 07:36.

Yes I am aware that it wasn't in either of the first two games.

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Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by Papa Midnight on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 09:35.

You have that inequality backwards.

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Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by ZippyDSMlee on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 09:10.

You do realsie they censor down games all the time and never gets much press becuse is part of the dev process.

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Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by E. Zachary Knight on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 08:41.

EA is greater than Bethesda? I think you meant it the other way.

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Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by Christian Astrup on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 07:48.

I absolutely love Bethesda. They, along with Bioware, hold a very special place in my heart. And therefore they get my hard earned cash (unlike certain greedy bastards, hint, hint, EA!)

Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by E. Zachary Knight on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 08:40.

Just be careful with Bioware. They are owned by EA and it was EA that wanted Mass Effect to have Securom.

Just a warning for you.

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Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by Christian Astrup on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 14:54.

Indeed, but Bioware opposed EA on our behalf then - I am sticking with them as long as they don't go with EA on this shit.

Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by E. Zachary Knight on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 16:25.

I don't remember Bioware saying anywhere that they did not want Securom on Mass Effect.

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Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by Christian Astrup on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 05:24.

I am reasonably sure I remember them expressing regret about there being such measures. At any rate, it was Bioware, not EA, who removed the authentication checks from ME.

Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by Papa Midnight on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 09:35.

EZK Speaks the truth...

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Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by Papa Midnight on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 07:40.

As a PC gamer, I'll be buying Sins of a Solar Empire once I get the money for it (College student status comes first). Likewise, if this truthfully is confirmed to have no DRM and if it simply requires a DVD check, that's ok. I will buy it. I can always image the DVD to an iso and place it on my external 2.5" HDD. All I want is no crap floating around on my PC that I didn't put there or have knowledge of putting there. Especially if it is floating in the Kernel.. The only thing I authorize to even look anywhere close to that deep is my anti-virus.

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Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by thefremen on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 19:37.

I'm with you, mounting an image is MUCH easier than dealing with securom.

Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by Geoff on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 07:30.

My only complaint is that, as a result, it won't be available for digital distribution (initially, anyway) which is my preferred method of buying PC games. Still it's a minor complaint at most and it's far better than SecuROM. And at least they are treating the consumer with some respect.

Looks like I'll have to get my lazy ass over to Best Buy if I want this game. Ah well, poor me. :)

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Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by Gift on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 07:26.

Actually, probably a minority here, I'd sooner have one time internet activation. I just hate disk checks, the DVD drive is the noisest thing on my PC and it irritates the hell out of me.

Gift.

Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by Mabuti on Wed, 10/08/2008 - 09:41.

Solution: Create an ISO of your game disc and mount it with Daemon Tools. That solution has worked for me for every game in the last 5 years that I have played with disc checks.

Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by Gift on Wed, 10/08/2008 - 16:14.

Hmm thanks, I'll give that a whirl.

Gift.

Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by thefremen on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 19:36.

Oh hey can you ask your supervisor if they have any other openings over there at EA?

Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by Gift on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 08:29.

Haha :P

Just saying, I'd rather have no checks but if a company has to include them I'd sooner not have to keep a disk in the drive. I don't like disk checks, they're still an inconvenience I could do without. Indeed, I don't really think Bethesda are doing anything praiseworthy here; they're still restricting what you can do.

If devs positively must have DRM, one time activation on install would be my preference. No limits, no dialing home every two minutes or other such nonsense. None of it's effective anyway.

Gift.

Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by ZippyDSMlee on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 09:09.

Then get a crack..... disc cracks are much easier to deal with.

They could do both and let you decide but the problem is the current securom setup is a one way ticket...

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Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by Gift on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 09:14.

I've toyed with getting cracks for a while now, but the thing is I just don't trust them. Plus I'd feel like a criminal... I know it makes no sense, but then I wouldn't claim to be rational on the matter. ;)

Gift.

Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by Overcast on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 09:21.

I worry about them having a virus/trojan implanted, but I do not feel guilty one little bit if I've bought the game.

Re: Bethesda: No Nasty DRM for Fallout 3

Submitted by sortableturnip on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 09:51.

If you go to a dedicated site, such as game copy world, they check for viruses/trojans before they post them on their site(s). PLus, if you have real time virus protection, spyware scanner, and trojan scanner, you have nothing to worry about.

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