Jack Thompson Offers His Expertise to Sarah Palin
Jack Thompson Offers His Expertise to Sarah Palin
October 10, 2008
Q: What do you get when you cross a media sensation with a guy who loves to see his name in print?
A: A letter from Jack Thompson to Sarah Palin.
Facing imminent disbarment, the Miami attorney has written to the Republican vice-presidential candidate, urging her to take a stand against violent video games. And, of course, offering his own services in that regard.
In a letter to America's best-known hockey mom, Thompson writes:
The McCain-Palin campaign, with all respect, is missing the boat on this issue. I strongly urge your campaign to tell American parents that if elected you will present to Congress a bill that prevents the sale of adult games to kids while fully protecting the First Amendment.
I have this crucial, constitutional legislation drafted and ready to go. You will see voters flock to your proposal. The American entertainment industry’s assault upon our children and our values must stop, and you are the person to stop it.
Thompson's previous attempt at "this crucial, constitutional legislation," however, was declared unconstitutional in stinging language by a federal judge in Louisiana. Utah's Republican attorney general also dismissed a Thompson-drafted bill as a violation of the First Amendment. State legislatures in Delaware and Massachusetts have likewise passed on Thompson's proposal.
Full text of the letter after the jump...
October 10, 2008
The Honorable Sarah Palin
Governor, State of Alaska
Vice-Presidential Candidate
McCain-Palin Campaign Headquarters
Arlington, Virginia Via Fax and e-mail
Re: Federal Law Needed to Stop Sale of Mature-Rated Video Games to Minors
Dear Governor Palin:
Over the last decade I have appeared on more than 200 national television programs (Today eight times, 60 Minutes twice, Nightline, Oprah) alerting Americans to the public safety and health hazards posed by the video game industry’s marketing and sale of violent and pornographic Mature-rated video games to minors. Innumerable school shootings have been caused by these murder simulators, including those at Paducah, Columbine, Red Lake, and Virginia Tech. We are teaching our kids how to murder.
A number of reliable polls prove that 70% of the American people want a federal law prohibiting the sale of adult video games to minors. We are the only nation in the world that does not have such a law. The United States Federal Trade Commission has proven that major retailers like Best Buy, Target, and Wal-Mart are violating the video game industry’s age rating system. These brazen sales by these huge retailers are occurring in stores and via the Internet. I have sat in jail cells with these game-trained killers. I have sat in the living rooms of the families of their victims. Both sides in this carnage are bathed in tears. The video game industry is sowing the wind, and the rest of us are reaping their whirlwind. It is going to get worse. Columbine times ten is on the way.
The McCain-Palin campaign, with all respect, is missing the boat on this issue. I strongly urge your campaign to tell American parents that if elected you will present to Congress a bill that prevents the sale of adult games to kids while fully protecting the First Amendment. I have this crucial, constitutional legislation drafted and ready to go. You will see voters flock to your proposal. The American entertainment industry’s assault upon our children and our values must stop, and you are the person to stop it.
Regards, Jack Thompson
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Posted 11/07/09 at 10:58am
JDKJ: Which could be explained by both (a) and (b).
JDKJ: Which could be explained by both (a) and (b).
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:56am
Austin_Lewis: JDKJ: You forgot C) the fact that, for some reason, every time he did something that would suggest he shouldn't be in the military, let alone an officer, higher ups ignored it or let it slide.
Austin_Lewis: JDKJ: You forgot C) the fact that, for some reason, every time he did something that would suggest he shouldn't be in the military, let alone an officer, higher ups ignored it or let it slide.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:51am
JDKJ: Part of the problem is, I believe, that (a) the Army had a lot of time and money already invested in him and which they were unwilling to simply write-off and (b) an increasing need for the type of skills and services he provided.
JDKJ: Part of the problem is, I believe, that (a) the Army had a lot of time and money already invested in him and which they were unwilling to simply write-off and (b) an increasing need for the type of skills and services he provided.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:48am
JDKJ: And that even if he was begging not to get cut loose, he was apparently a real good candidate for being cut loose, anyway.
JDKJ: And that even if he was begging not to get cut loose, he was apparently a real good candidate for being cut loose, anyway.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:11am
JDKJ: @chada: And while Kennedy once noted that there's usually more than enough blame for everyone to get a slice, the possibility that the Army was unwilling to cut loose someone who was asking to get cut loose could be a factor.
JDKJ: @chada: And while Kennedy once noted that there's usually more than enough blame for everyone to get a slice, the possibility that the Army was unwilling to cut loose someone who was asking to get cut loose could be a factor.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:07am
ZippyDSMlee: *noms on his feet*..nomnomnomnom*droooll* ...wuuutttttt uuu looking at?
ZippyDSMlee: *noms on his feet*..nomnomnomnom*droooll* ...wuuutttttt uuu looking at?
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:05am
JDKJ: I'm no psychologist, but I'm told that crazy people have a tendency to do crazy things.
JDKJ: I'm no psychologist, but I'm told that crazy people have a tendency to do crazy things.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:03am
chadachada321: Whoops, was out of the convo for awhile. I do wonder what type of ammo he used etc, but the real issue is WHY he did it, not HOW
chadachada321: Whoops, was out of the convo for awhile. I do wonder what type of ammo he used etc, but the real issue is WHY he did it, not HOW
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:56am
JDKJ: But if it turns out that they actually did, they'll have Hell to pay.
JDKJ: But if it turns out that they actually did, they'll have Hell to pay.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:45am
JDKJ: And I'd tend to rule out the possibilty of FN Herstal supplying restricted ammunition to someone merely because they're ordering it from a military base.
JDKJ: And I'd tend to rule out the possibilty of FN Herstal supplying restricted ammunition to someone merely because they're ordering it from a military base.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:37am
JDKJ: I know you don't leave your gated community and get around much in dark alleys, so you may be surprised to learn that there's this thing called "the black market" where, if you've got enough money, ain't too much of anything which can't be bought.
JDKJ: I know you don't leave your gated community and get around much in dark alleys, so you may be surprised to learn that there's this thing called "the black market" where, if you've got enough money, ain't too much of anything which can't be bought.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:36am
Austin_Lewis: Or, maybe he or someone else at the base ordered the SS190 from FN Herstal.
Austin_Lewis: Or, maybe he or someone else at the base ordered the SS190 from FN Herstal.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:32am
Austin_Lewis: the hands of private owners. They run about 300 dollars minimum for a box of 50, and boxes of AP 5.7 are extremely scarce, mainly residing in the hands of Class III stores or individuals who for one reason or another got a demo box of it.
Austin_Lewis: the hands of private owners. They run about 300 dollars minimum for a box of 50, and boxes of AP 5.7 are extremely scarce, mainly residing in the hands of Class III stores or individuals who for one reason or another got a demo box of it.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:30am
Austin_Lewis: There are other firearms that fire the 5.7. However, I too would like to know where he got the ammo and what kind was used. Maybe Hasan, planning not to live through this, went out and bought one the boxes of SS190 that are floating around in
Austin_Lewis: There are other firearms that fire the 5.7. However, I too would like to know where he got the ammo and what kind was used. Maybe Hasan, planning not to live through this, went out and bought one the boxes of SS190 that are floating around in
Posted 11/07/09 at 08:44am
JDKJ: And it isn't yet clear what type of ammunition Hasan used. It's strange that he purchased a gun but didn't purchase ammunition for it at the same place and time. Especially because the calibre required is peculiar to the actual gun.
JDKJ: And it isn't yet clear what type of ammunition Hasan used. It's strange that he purchased a gun but didn't purchase ammunition for it at the same place and time. Especially because the calibre required is peculiar to the actual gun.
Posted 11/07/09 at 08:40am
JDKJ: We can sit here all day and debate the relative merits. However, I think the events of recent days suggest that an FN Five-Seven ain't exactly the same as that Daisy BB gun you got for Christmas when you were a kid.
JDKJ: We can sit here all day and debate the relative merits. However, I think the events of recent days suggest that an FN Five-Seven ain't exactly the same as that Daisy BB gun you got for Christmas when you were a kid.
Posted 11/07/09 at 08:38am
Austin_Lewis: JDKJ: tumbling can be quite dangerous. However, the rounds that commonly tumbled were variants of the SS90. Civilian ammo tends to tumble far less commonly.
Austin_Lewis: JDKJ: tumbling can be quite dangerous. However, the rounds that commonly tumbled were variants of the SS90. Civilian ammo tends to tumble far less commonly.
Posted 11/07/09 at 08:33am
JDKJ: I understand that while they don't have much expansion effect, they tend to "yaw" on impact. Yaw can be almost just as damaging as mushrooming.
JDKJ: I understand that while they don't have much expansion effect, they tend to "yaw" on impact. Yaw can be almost just as damaging as mushrooming.
Posted 11/07/09 at 08:30am
Austin_Lewis: JDKJ: Except when one considers the lack of expansion for the 5.7, it basically ends up leaving a far smaller hole.
Austin_Lewis: JDKJ: Except when one considers the lack of expansion for the 5.7, it basically ends up leaving a far smaller hole.
Posted 11/07/09 at 08:29am
JDKJ: But if the latter's travelling at close to twice the speed of the former, there's a compensatory effect on the weight difference.
JDKJ: But if the latter's travelling at close to twice the speed of the former, there's a compensatory effect on the weight difference.
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I wonder if he will be taken seriously.
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Jack Thompson, Atty., Atty., Atty. (as you call yourself)
Deciding which video games my child plays is MY responsiblility. Why do you assume that parents are so stupid that we cannot decide what's appropriate content for our children?
Surely a technophobe as yourself has played a traditional game of 'cops and robbers' or 'cowboys and indians'? Gaming is nothing more than a marriage between traditional entertainment and the modern technology of today. It's fun, it's exciting, and yes - being a multi-billion $ industry - it is definitely here to stay.
As far as soliciting Sarah Palin: As you must know, the Vice Presidential candidate is running on a platform of personal responsibility and less government. Personally, she may advocate more Conservative values - however, she has said herself that she will not help pass legislation that restricts the basic values of American freedom.
If you really want to help today's children - keep their moral compasses pointing North - there are many other established causes that need an active advocate for change. Try the Boys and Girls club, the YMCA, do something useful with your time...because this cause is not working for you, and its certainly not working for us.
And deciding whether a retailer can get away with selling a Mature game to a kid with no parent around is MY responsibility, and that of Congress. If you are a parent and don't really understand that what I propose is supportive of parental rights--to stop retailers from selling adult games to our kids behind our parental backs--then maybe we need to go to IQ tests before you can have a kid. That's a joke, but I'll make an exception in your case.
Jack Thompson, Attorney and You're Not
Jack Thompson, Unemployed and You're Not
Fixed your signature for you. ;)
"Mature game to a kid with no parent around is MY responsibility[...]"
... really?!
No it isn't, who appointed you as self-styled moral watchdog for the entire country? You'd like to think you have a right to dictate to the rest of the country what is good for them and what isn't, but in truth you have failed, spectacuarly and repeatedly, and the reason you have failed is because you cannot seem to understand the laws and ordinances that you so blithely throw around.
And where would the minor get enough money together to buy these games...you know these games are $50-$60 bucks each...from their PARENTS! If the PARENT is giving their child that much money to spend than the PARENT is responsible for finding out what their child bought with their money.
And deciding whether a retailer can get away with selling a Mature game to a kid with no parent around is MY responsibility, and that of Congress.
No, it isn't. It's my responsibility as a parent to determine what my kids see and play and what they can't.
If you are a parent and don't really understand that what I propose is supportive of parental rights--to stop retailers from selling adult games to our kids behind our parental backs--then maybe we need to go to IQ tests before you can have a kid.
I'm a stepparent and a new parent. And it isn't supportive of parental rights because it's taking away my right to choose what I think is appropriate for my kids. I think I'm a responsible enough parent to determine what my kids and stepkids can and can't play. If I think my 14 year old stepson is mature enough to play Call of Duty 4 (and we do, even with the M rating), that's my and my husband's decision. Not yours. Besides, my husband (an administrator on a COD4 server and member of a clan on the game) and I like to play these games, too. Why should a store determine that I can't have the game if they think that I might give it to my stepson or stepdaughter to play when it's me that wants to play it?
"And deciding whether a retailer can get away with selling a Mature game to a kid with no parent around is MY responsibility, and that of Congress."
BZZZZZ wrong. It isn't Congress' responsibility to raise children, and it sure as flying fuck isn't your responsibility or even right to have any say whatsoever about another person's child. Furthermore, I'm not sure if you are aware but the ESRB is NOT a government agency. Ergo their ratings are not legally binding in any way shape or form.
Enjoy your retirement.
-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-
"BZZZZZ wrong. It isn't Congress' responsibility to raise children, and it sure as flying fuck isn't your responsibility or even right to have any say whatsoever about another person's child. "
This! Its not congress's job, its not your job Thompson, its no ones job to raise a kid, get that threw your head, maybe if you did, you wouldn't be facing permenant disbarment in 13-14 days.
Hey Jack, just a quick, honest question for you. Do you really believe a kid sitting in front of a flat screen pointing and clicking with a mouse (or joysticking and triggering with a controller) translates into the ability to load, aim, and shoot a firearm with real proficiency? I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I just have always wondered when you call them murder simulators and trainers and such exactly how you think it works. I'm actually kinda curious what your take is. I mean, I can kinda feel you on something like manhunt on the wii. Using a motion controller to throttle somebody, that's a little creepy. But a mouse or a controller are a little, well, disconnected from the reality of firing a gun at least to me.
As to the whole training kids to be psychos, thing I'm gonna go with the decent researchers out there who've only really demonstrated a casual link between slight increases in aggression and gaming. Sorry.
You have no more right to determine what games kids play as a baboon has a right to defecate on my lawn.
Jack, YOU ARE THE BABOON.
Point of interest, Jack. Since the ESRB is not a government body, its ratings cannot be used for any form of government restrictions. This means in order to pass a law that prohibits the sales of "Mature" rated games, the government would need to form its own ratings organization. This would cost a lot of money. I really don't think that we're in a position to spend that kind of money right now.
Jack,
Speaking as a parent, I don't need your help keeping games that I deem unfit for my kids out of their hands. That's my job, and nobody else's. What you're proposing won't actually make it any easier for me to do that job, and it will actually harm the quality of games that I and my wife enjoy.
So, on behalf of gamer parents everywhere, keep your damn nose out of my parental responsibilities.
I got a signature for you: Jack Thompson, trapped in the 50's and you're not.
Or how 'bout: Jack Thompson, Wal-Mart Greeter and you're not.
I could go on about this, but it's already been done.
-Cougar_Leon
I regret to inform you that what you state is purely an opinion. An opinion which is in direct violation of the U.S. Constitution.
You claim to support parental rights when you in fact remove the rights of parents by transposing them to the state. Such a simple concept should be very easy for a lawyer to understand. The intent of a concept is irrelevant to the actual effect of a concept, while you may have good intentions it must be universally beneficial to qualify in this regard, your ideas and attempts at policy do no such thing.
14 days to go Jackoff.
Yaaay! Jack's back! Now I can laugh at him again! I've been feeling really low ever since GP stopped the anonymous posting, but now that he's here again, I can laugh at him all I want. And I only have to pay for internet service: no ticket prices! :D
Oh, and by the way, Jack: don't ever tell me what the f*%# I can and cannot allow my child to play. I may not be a parent right now, but when I become a father some day, I don't want some jackhole dictating what kind of media I am allowed to show my child(ren). That is mine and my (future) wife's decision, not yours.
Game on, brothers and sisters.
Oh, and it's worked out very well for me. I have led the charge to scare retailers into selling fewer Mature games to kids, and it has worked. I have been very successful in that. What have you accomplish, other than to pimp the alleged "right" of retailers to sell adult games to other people's kids behind the parents' backs?
Part of "American values" is not to sell adult products to kids. That has been an "American value" since before the Constitution was ratified. Sarah Palin believes in personal responibility across the board, sweetheart. You run a company that says it doesn't sell its products to kids, and then you get caught doing that, then you're RESPONSIBLE for that fraud. See above for my actual proposal, which is a means of punishing FRAUD, and then wake up.
Jack Thompson
Actually, no part of American Values is anything of the sort, particuarly when the definitions being used are defined by your own prejudice. In fact, the constitution has more to say about using prejudice to control speech than it has to say about regulating content of Media.
You are far more in contravention of the Constitution than you seem to think Video Games are.
I video game is not considered an "adult" product unless it is rated AO (Adults Only)
Get your facts straight, MORON!
Mr. Thompson, aside from Hot Coffee, that content that you constantly allege to DOES NOT EXIST. And we know, some of us actually hacked into the games you talk about to find out, and it doesn't. You've become so self-absorbed that you're actually believing those lies that you're spewing.
There IS no 'hardcore anal, oral sex and S&M' in GTA4.
There IS no 'gay sex content' in Bully. (Kissing for 3 seconds does not equal sex)
The goal for the games IS NOT 'kill everything.' It's 'do what you want.'
The games DO NOT utilize virtual reality technology.
And lastly, the game companies themselves DO NOT directly sell the games outside of the internet. There, you must blame the cashiers involved, because THEY'RE the ones actually GIVING the people the games. NOT T2, NOT Wal-Mart, the EMPLOYEE.
Learn how the world works before trying to defend it.
David "DavCube" Gagnon, Still a sane human being, and you're STILL NOT.
John I still think you're getting the retailer confused with the game designers and producers. You constantly go after the wrong group of people. The people who MAKE the games are not the ones SELLING the games as you claim. Your agenda is so full of holes you can't scramble fast enough to catch the shit falling through them.
Too much micromanagement on the part of government with large companies smacks of corporatism. Really, it's soft fascism. I don't want any part of that.
Easy loophole. Don't state that you don't sell your products to kids. Really Jack, are you even trying anymore?
-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-
Part of "American values" is not to sell adult products to kids.
No it isn't, the bible is readily available to kids of all ages and contains smut beyond count.
岩「…Ace beats Jack」
Oh, and it's worked out very well for me. I have led the charge to scare retailers into selling fewer Mature games to kids, and it has worked. I have been very successful in that. What have you accomplish, other than to pimp the alleged "right" of retailers to sell adult games to other people's kids behind the parents' backs?
You did nothing of the sort. What you did is bully and intimidate retailers, not "led the charge." Bullying tactics and intimidation are the only things you know.
And what I've accomplished, personally, is getting people on my blog the information they need on your activities to not take you seriously. I've also earned a Bachelor's degree, am currently working on my Master's degree, gave birth to a beautiful little boy, and helped my husband out with his two kids when they are here on the weekends.
That has been an "American value" since before the Constitution was ratified.
No, part of "American Values" is freedom of speech. You should read "The Day They Came To Arrest The Book." That was the book that made me think about how bad censorship was when I was in middle school.
Sarah Palin believes in personal responibility across the board, sweetheart. You run a company that says it doesn't sell its products to kids, and then you get caught doing that, then you're RESPONSIBLE for that fraud. See above for my actual proposal, which is a means of punishing FRAUD, and then wake up.
I believe in personal responsibility, too. But it doesn't extend to people like you telling me what I can and can't do with my kids. It's not the publisher's responsibility to protect the kids. It is the parents. It's our job to maneuver the kids through the world.
"Jack Thompson Attorney and You Are Not"
You're kidding, right Jack? Did you somehow miss the entire disbarment hearing?
How about we change this title to suit reality:
"Jack Thompson Attorney when another lawyer signs off on my work"
"Jack Thompson Attorney with no real legal power"
"Jack Thompson (neutered) Attorney"
"Jack Thompson attorney/weatherman/America's parent/caped avenger"
"Jack Thompson soon to be alcoholic"
"Jack Thompson Attorney convicted of 27 out of 31 charges of misconduct"
"Jack Thompson Attorney...but don't tell anyone I said that"
Jack Thompson, Permanently Disbarred in 14 Days
Jack Thompson, Narsasisstic Personality Disorder and You're Not
Jack Thompson, Forum Troll
Jack Thompson, Unemployed
You're kidding, right Jack? Did you somehow miss the entire disbarment hearing?
he probably walked out on that too.
岩「…Ace beats Jack」
Jack apparently unaware other attorneys able to use Internet?
"I have led the charge to scare retailers into selling fewer Mature games to kids, and it has worked." so based on what you've said your saying your a terrorist? Because don't terrorist scare people into doing what they want them to do? Oh I'm also basing this on your history of threats and everything to get what you want too.
So you use fear to make people do what you want? huh. Isn't that the very definition of terrorism? I'm just sayin.
Um, Jack? Rockstar doesn't run down the street and hand these games out to little kids...
-Cougar_Leon
1. Learn your values, and learn the CORRECT values
2. Take two does not SELL games to kids at all. they sell games to stores. STORES sell games to kids.
3. You havent scared anyone. Get off your high horse.
I wonder if he will be taken seriously.
Doubt it. One Wiki or Google search, and her opinions/choices could change drastically. For the better or worse, we do not know.
~Game on, brothers and sisters.~
If your an undecided voter, I hope this clinches the deal
You are assuming that Sarah Palin would take his advice. Palin doesn't necessarily share JT's beliefs.
“When men are most sure and arrogant they are commonly most mistaken, giving views to passion without that proper deliberation which alone can secure them from the grossest absurdities” ~ David Hume
Do you honestly believe that two Fundamentalist Christians would believe different things?
~You Could Be Mine, But You're Way Out Of Line..~
Yeah, what a crazy belief... all Fundamentalist Christians see everything as black and white.
Not like you at all.
Oh, I agree that I see in Black and White. I just like my Black and White more.
~You Could Be Mine, But You're Way Out Of Line..~
Black and White 2 sucked, however.
Do you honestly believe that anyone with political aspirations would touch a soon-to-be-ex-lawyer with a ten-foot pole? And besides, anti-game views aren't a right-wing thing; they're bi-partisan. Republicans do it because they have erronously apply their religious ideals, and Democrats do it because they want to get conservative votes and make the government your mommy. Neither party is innocent here, and I doubt that Jack would refuse to "help" the Obama-Biden campaign given the opportunity.
You have to remember that this is Palin we are talking about here, not just Republicans or Democrats. This lady believes one of 2 things.
1. Dinosaur bones were put in the Earth to test your faith in God.
2. Dinosaurs and Man lived at the same time, and Dinosaurs were on Noah's Ark.
...and nothing existed more than like 8,000 years ago. Neither the ideas that the majority of the American people accept, nor logic. 1. I want not a God that test me when I hold true and faithful. 2.
"Don't fall in love with politicians, they're all a disappointment. They can't help it, they just are." -Peggy Noonan
"Mothers all want their sons to grow up to be president, but they don't want them to become politicians in the process." -John Fitzgerald Kennedy
"And if we now cast our eyes over the nations of the earth, we shall find that, instead of possessing the pure religion of the Gospel, they may be divided either into infidels, who deny the truth; or politicians who make religion a stalking horse for their ambition; or professors, who walk in the trammels of orthodoxy, and are more attentive to traditions and ordinances of men than to the oracles of truth." -Samuel Adams
Governor Palin is political conservative. Jack Thompson long ago convinced me that he is a political liberal, pretending to be a conservative.
--Verbinator
The problem is, once you go far enough left, you come back around to the far right. The spectrum is more like a circle, and it's kind of like discovering that time-space could wrap around itself.
As you go left, in terms of being liberal, you believe in more personal freedoms. But go too far to the left, and you start believing that the personal freedoms of others are as important or moreso than your own.
I can see you aren't really familiar with either side of the extreme. Here, let me help: Far Left=Communism, Far Right= At or near anarchy.
Other way around there Dark, but point made, and hopefully one any intelligent human gets.
Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.
She's not a conservative.. did you know she carries round coloured cue cards to remind her what her ideologies are?
Well she IS a self described "hockey mom" and heavily christian... That's like one of Jack's primary demographics; along with politicians that are currently desperate for voters. She may very well be ignorant enough to actually listen to him; assuming she actually reads the letter... Lets just hope her tendency to read letters from such people is on the same level as her tendency to read national news magazines and pay attention to what's going on outside of alaska.
Please. Do you seriouslly think that she doesn't read national magazines? Do you seriously think that Christians want video games censored? Do you even know what a "conservative" is?
Well i was mostly joking... but much of what she has said in her few times in front of the media ends up really does call into question how much she actually keeps up with news that is not related to alaska...
Frankly, her hiding from the media has been a double edge sword... on the one hand she avoids gaffes and displaying her ignorance, but on the other hand in forces people to focus in on the few times she did go to the media and shove it under a microscope. When Obama, Biden or McCain screw up, people see it as an honest mistake because they do well in like 90% of their times when talking to the media... When you screw up only a few times out of only a few interviews people start thinking that those errors are indicative of their character.
And being a christian (though not a very devote to the point that i may be a bit agnostic), i know christians in general do not promote censorship but quite a few of them do and many of them are the kinds of people that Jack panders to with his attacks on games. Great how you jumped to the conclusion that i was trying to generalize all christians instead of just pointing out a minority that does exist amongst them.
As for what a conservative is... y'know, the line between liberals and conservatives seems to have become so blurred; just when i think i have it nailed down, a few loud liberals or conservatives show up to prove me wrong... though to the conservatives' credit, i do often hear people say that most of the idiots that call themselves conservatives are in fact not REAL conservatives (and i think they say that includes McCain)... Personally, i'd prefer to see moderates and bipartisanship and just skip the whole liberal vs conservative bull. See some cooperation and willingness to meet more in the middle. Unfortunately between Obama and McCain we ain't seeing that happening any time soon... a real maverick/change move would have been to pick a bi-partisan ticket; instead we got Palin and Biden. frankly i prefer the McCain i've been hearing about that ran back in 2000, before he sold himself out to pander to the right; he sounded more moderate back then... better luck next election
Give me a break. You want ignorant? Try looking up half of what Biden or Obama says. They've managed to bullshit their way through this election and the ignorant populace has bought it hook, line, and sinker.
I don't think she's been "hiding" from the media. I saw her interviews, but I also heard her radio interviews. Her limited media appearances smack of handling more than ignorance. McCain got his mitts into her, thought she was ignorant after all, and hid her to try and keep himself from getting embarassed. She isn't, though. That's just the line the Dems and their media buddies have been putting out.
Conservatives have not changed. Those calling themselves conservative has. "Republican" is in no way the same as "Conservative". McCain is not a conservative. That's why he was having such problems with both enthusiasm and support from his base. I don't buy the bipartisanship bull. People are blaming the Republicans, but the Republicans were taken out of power two years ago. The Democrats are in charge of the law making process. The Democrats have been the ones in charge of regulation. Look where it got us.
McCain is a moderate, and his actions tend to bear that out. Obama, on the other hand, is the most liberal person we have ever had running for president. His associations show this, his positions in Illinois show this, his record in the Senate show this. He ran for Senate on a platform of invalidating all concealed carry laws. He votes with the Dems 97% of the time. He's the farthest left on abortion that we've ever seen, and has promised ot help make tax-payer funding of abortion a reality. His healthcare plan is going to lead to the government taking over the healthcare industry. Obama can't work across the isle. McCain can, but Palin is probably the only thing keeping his base from voting for Bob Barr.
"The Democrats are in charge of the law making process. The Democrats have been the ones in charge of regulation. Look where it got us."
Not that simple, Bush can and has vetoed many bills the democratic congress have proposed.
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God created alcohol so that the Scottish and the Irish could never take over the world. -Chris 'Jedi' Knight
Part of the problem with the current congress is the sheer amount of partisanship that has been going on. Any efforts the democrats have tried to make were being fought tooth and nail by the republicans... really the democrats hold the majority but their is still enough republicans to stop them from doing what they want... and Bush being veto happy doesn't make anything any easy. This is pretty much why the congress has not done anything because the democrats do not have enough of a majority and both them and the republicans are unwilling to meet in middle ground. Obama was part of the senate during this time, and time of such partisanship... frankly, i think if you only looked at the voting records of liberals for the past few years instead of their entire history, i think you'd find that ALL dems have been voting more left these days (and republicans voting more right). McCain as well has been voting along with Bush at very high percentages. Really whatever moderate positions McCain has had he seems to have sold off to pander to the right... until McCain actually starts promising moderate positions, showing a willingness to cooperate and goes back to acting like a moderate he just another right wing republican; and not much better than left wing Obama... it's funny mentioning working across the aisle since i think there has been a couple of times when when both Obama and McCain had worked alongside each other.
Pelosi and Reid, the supposed leaders of Congress, are almost solely responsible for the partisanship we see now. Neither ever misses a chance to blame the Republicans for each and every evil in the world. They absolutely refuse to compromise with Republicans on anything. The Republicans, in turn, feel no need to negotiate with them. The Democrats are the Majority. Their leaders can decide what goes to committee and what gets voted on when. If you want bipartisanship, then take a look at McCain and Obama. Obama- never reached across the isle in a significant way, never broken from his party on any serious issues. McCain- pisses off his party and his base pretty much every time he opens his mouth; in fact, of the two, Palin has been drawing the crowds and inspiring Republicans.
Bush is not the far right, he never was part of the far right, and as that retarded bailout bill shows (or should show, if liberals payed attention to anything conservatives actually believed in instead of villifying Republicans at every turn) the Republicans and conservatives stopped listening to Bush. They previously followed him because he was their nominal party head, even though many of them hated his policies, but no longer.
McCain is not a part of the far right. He's prone to bouts of liberalism that infuriate the far right. Bush is not part of the far right, that's just the line fed to the populace by the liberal imbeciles who run the MSM. I speak of these things with knowledge, as I AM a part of the conservative base.
Sadly, I am forced to say that if you want decent commentary on the race as it stands you need to head to Jib Jab.
What's happening right now in the race is that McCain and Palin are doing all they can to crystallize the base, rile them up, and get them angry at Obama (and thus distracted from the economic meltdown). They have people convinced, against all reason, that Obama's a terrorist. And by the way, speaking of that, this is what the prosecutor in charge of the Ayers case had to say two days ago:
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As the lead federal prosecutor of the Weathermen in the 1970s (I was then chief of the criminal division in the Eastern District of Michigan and took over the Weathermen prosecution in 1972), I am amazed and outraged that Senator Barack Obama is being linked to William Ayers’s terrorist activities 40 years ago when Mr. Obama was, as he has noted, just a child.
Although I dearly wanted to obtain convictions against all the Weathermen, including Bill Ayers, I am very pleased to learn that he has become a responsible citizen.
Because Senator Obama recently served on a board of a charitable organization with Mr. Ayers cannot possibly link the senator to acts perpetrated by Mr. Ayers so many years ago.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/opinion/l10ayers.html?_r=1&ei=5070&emc=eta1&oref=slogin
("Ooh, but it's the New York Times! That means the letter's obviously part of a vast conspiracy! Even though Palin herself said she learned about Ayers FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES!" Yeah.)
That same day, McCain's campaign manager Rick Davis -- best known previously for taking Fannie money until last month, and for saying "This election is not about the issues," admitted McCain wasn't talking about the economy by saying, "There’s very little a candidate for president can say and very little the president can say about what’s happening in the stock markets except hope that they correct themselves." In other words: McCain isn't saying anything because he has no idea what to say.
And also in that same conversation, Davis went on to say:
"In the middle of the greatest disaster in our financial system that we’d had in our lifetime, [the] Democrats in the United States Senate would actually link payments to ACORN in the bailout package that they promoted -- prior to Sen. McCain coming to town and actually blowing that package up."
Last week, McCain's campaign blamed Obama for the bailout's failure to pass Congress, saying, "This bill failed because Barack Obama and the Democrats put politics ahead of country." But now they're telling us that McCain "suspended" his campaign so that he could sink the deal deliberately? The whole country's economy is at stake here, and he can't even keep his message straight on a critical issue for a week?
Since choosing Palin -- who even Karl Rove admitted was a marketing gimmick -- McCain has shown throughout this past month that wouldn't make an effective President. His behavior is all over the map, he pulls policies out of nowhere before they're shot down by his own side (check out his proposal to throw $300 billion more at home mortgages -- that didn't go over well), and by choosing Palin, someone completely unequipped to lead this country, he showed that all he wants to do is win, at any cost, like Hillary before him.
Obama may not be perfect, but he's the only good choice. He's been calm in this crisis. He's been steady. He's been rational. Trite as it might sound, he inspires hope while McCain and Palin openly inspire hatred.
If McCain were half the man now that he was eight years ago, he'd have my vote today. But he's not that man anymore.
Who's claimed that Obama's a terrorist? I certainly haven't. Obama has, however, shown that he isn't bothered by consorting with one, even though this particular one is STILL espousing violence. Ayers is a retired terrorist, not an ex-terrorist.
No, the New York Times is not part of a vast conspiracy. It's a far left newspaper. It should be read as such.
If you're mad at Davis for taking Obama's money, then you should be furious at Obama, who ranks second, just below Chris Dodd, in total contributions from Fannie and Freddie.
If Palin is a gimmick, then what do we make of Biden? He's a well known gas bag from the Senate whose only real qualification for being on the Vice Presidential slot is that he has foreign policy expierience (not good judgement, certainly, since he's been both wrong on the Cold War and the Iraq war in all ways possible). Palin at least rallies the base, and detracts from the revulsion the base has towards McCain.
Obama is the farthest-left candidate in history. He has no real accomplishments. He is a master of spin, certainly, but he has no qualification beyond that. He stayed calm in a crisis, but he didn't seem to know what to do. He hasn't been rational, but a coward. He takes no risks. He inspires hatred against the Republicans, certainly. If elected, he would be a rubber stamp for Pelosi. There is no real reason to vote for him on policy unless you are a far-leftist too, since most of his current talk doesn't match up with his recent past (for instance, part of his platform for the Senate race was that he would invalidate concealed carry laws).
Obama has, however, shown that he isn't bothered by consorting with one, even though this particular one is STILL espousing violence. Ayers is a retired terrorist, not an ex-terrorist.
Still espousing violence? He's a college professor. The closest he's come to espousing violence was a comment in an interview in 2001 that reads "I feel we didn't do enough". By which he reportly meant "didn't do enough to oppose the Vietnam War" not didn't blow up enough stuff".
So he's definately a former terrorist. He might be unapoligetic, and unrepentant, but he is not currently espousing violence, nor practicing it himself.
I'm not surprising that Obama isn't bother by consorting with him. The amount of "consorting" is minimal, and Ayers wasn't doing anything wrong at the time. This is just a desperate attempt at guilt by association.
-Gray17
He specifically said that he wished he had set more bombs. He also recently ran a political cartoon saying "Violence is not NECESSARILY the answer".
Ok, got links to prove those statements?
-Gray17
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63
Read the whole piece.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/in-a-not-remote.html
Ayers is trying to cover his ass here. His activities during the Vietnam war don't count as terrorism only by the loosest of standards. Thus, "doing more" during that time period would have meant planting more bombs, since that was how he was trying to "stop the war".
Ok, I'll give you the "necessarily violence" on as I hadn't tracked down the comic itself. As for the rest, you haven't given me anything new. Just more insistance that the "didn't do enough" comment absolutely means that he didn't plant enough bombs back then, and therefore he's still espousing violence as the answer to current problems.
-Gray17
"Obama is the farthest-left candidate in history"
In America? Maybe. He's probably still more right wing than David Cameron of the Tory party here in the UK. Ain't politics fun?
http://theweaselking.livejournal.com/3048562.html
Ayers is a non-issue. To judge someone on the company they keep rather than the way they act or the things they believe in is to judge a book by it's cover.
Please try to read into each candidates' policies and beliefs, and not parade non-issues about them like they matter: it's exactly what the McCain camp is doing. McCain's falling behind in the polls, so the Reps in his camp begin to use swiftboat tactics; it's a move of desperation, and I'm telling you now: it won't work.
Game on, brothers and sisters.
Give me a break. You want ignorant? Try looking up half of what Biden or Obama says. They've managed to bullshit their way through this election and the ignorant populace has bought it hook, line, and sinker.
I have, and right now Biden and Obama are still clocking it at less bullshit than McCain and Palin.
I don't think she's been "hiding" from the media. I saw her interviews, but I also heard her radio interviews. Her limited media appearances smack of handling more than ignorance. McCain got his mitts into her, thought she was ignorant after all, and hid her to try and keep himself from getting embarassed. She isn't, though. That's just the line the Dems and their media buddies have been putting out.<
So if she's so knowledgeable, then why are you claiming that McCain's campaign is convinced she's ignorant to the point of needing blatant handling?
People are blaming the Republicans, but the Republicans were taken out of power two years ago. The Democrats are in charge of the law making process. The Democrats have been the ones in charge of regulation. Look where it got us.
The Republicans were taken out of power in terms of they lost the majority. They still had a Republican president, and enough seats in Congress to block things that didn't go their way. Similiarly, this isn't the fault of Democrats failing at regulation, it's the fault of both parties failing at regulation.
-Gray17
"I have, and right now Biden and Obama are still clocking it at less bullshit than McCain and Palin."
If you had, you would know that most of what Biden claimed in the VP debate was a lie. You would also know that Obama has been lying about his associations (ACORN, Ayers, Wright) and his ideas are wrong ("deregulation caused this")
"So if she's so knowledgeable, then why are you claiming that McCain's campaign is convinced she's ignorant to the point of needing blatant handling?"
She wasn't knowledgeable about foreign affairs, and she had to toe the line with McCain. Plus, the press is so far in the tank that she couldn't make a mistake at all or the press would use it as an excuse to label her a know nothing hick, despite her accomplishing more than they have in their pathetic lives. They did anyways, of course, and indoctrinated the populace into that line of thought. The Democrats, never having been concerned with things like "facts" and "honesty" were more than happy to supply the talking points necessary for the media to parrot.
"The Republicans were taken out of power in terms of they lost the majority. They still had a Republican president, and enough seats in Congress to block things that didn't go their way. Similiarly, this isn't the fault of Democrats failing at regulation, it's the fault of both parties failing at regulation."
Don't even try that bullshit on me. You ever heard of the Community Reinvestment Act? You know what it was for? Forcing banks to "serve their communities" by handing out loans to the poor. You know what Fannie and Freddie are? You know what they did? They were GSEs who removed risk by bundling up mortgages and selling them to banks with garuntees that they would get the money from the mortgage, even if the lenders didn't pay up. Fannie and Freddie went bust, becuase they bought up to many "nonconforming" mortgages at the behest of the government to try and increase homeownership.
You know who was in charge of Fannie and Freddie? The Dems. You know who controls the House and Senate? The Democrats. Screaming "it's the Republicans fault" doesn't make it true. That people actually buy that deregulation cuased this has convinced me that the populace at large and Democrats in particular are a mixture of the brainwashed, adult children, and imbeciles.
I've got a newsflash: businesses won't lend if the loan is near garunteed to go bad under normal conditions. Fannie and Freddie, both of which had implicit (now explicit) backing by the government, allowed banks to sell of risk. With no risk on bad loans, it was advantageous to increase the number of loans and get garuntees on them, because whether they were bad or not didn't matter. Fannie and Freddie took on these mortgages because, as quasi-government businesses, they must follow the government's demands. The government demanded that the poor get houses, so the GSEs complied. Go figure, the poor didn't pay their loans.
The best part of a deregulated market is that businesses can hang themselves. You clearly don't understand that.
<i>If you had, you would know that most of what Biden claimed in the VP debate was a lie. You would also know that Obama has been lying about his associations (ACORN, Ayers, Wright) and his ideas are wrong ("deregulation caused this")</i>
Actually most of what he claimed in the debate were half truths. Sure the truth was distorted or exagerated, but not really any worse than anything Palin said. As for the lying about associations, got any evidence? I haven't seen anything that proves wrong his campaign's statements about ACORN to be lies. I haven't seen him lie about Ayers, unless you've got some sort of proof that they're close personal friends. Wright was pretty much just a standard case of spin. Hardly enough real substance there to paint Obama as a huge liar. And deregulation was a big cause of the current economic problems. Or are you claiming that past regulations properly enforced wouldn't have stopped the abuses?
And I'll get to the rest later.
-Gray17
I'lll admit, it less lies and more spin. This spin, of course, counts as lieing by omission. For instance, he downplayed Reverent Wright, comparing him to an uncle who says weird things every once in a while. But his own biography says he went to Wrights church because of his fiery sermons. He's connected to ACORN, and is outright lieing there, becuase he trained some of their people. New evidence suggests that he was also a part of the New Party, which is a socialist group. Or at least, the socialists believed he was part of their groups. He minimalized the Ayers connection, saying that Ayers was just a guy who lives in his neighborhood. But that isn't anywhere close to true.
You want proof? How about the fact that Obama LAUNCHED HIS SENATE CAMPAIGN FROM AYERS'S LIVING ROOM! That isn't something you do when you don't know somebody very well.
"Most of what he claimed in the debate were half truths"
No, a huge chunk of what he claimed was false.
Nobody kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon. That was false. Biden claimed that Obama said he wouldn't sit down with Iran. That was false. None of Pakistan's missiles can hit Israel. That's false. He said that Article I defines the roles of the Executive Branch. Nice try Biden.
I'lll admit, it less lies and more spin. This spin, of course, counts as lieing by omission. For instance, he downplayed Reverent Wright, comparing him to an uncle who says weird things every once in a while. But his own biography says he went to Wrights church because of his fiery sermons. He's connected to ACORN, and is outright lieing there, becuase he trained some of their people. New evidence suggests that he was also a part of the New Party, which is a socialist group. Or at least, the socialists believed he was part of their groups.
And this is still just a bunch of ad hominem attacks relying on vague allegations, and guilt by association.
He minimalized the Ayers connection, saying that Ayers was just a guy who lives in his neighborhood. But that isn't anywhere close to true.
You want proof? How about the fact that Obama LAUNCHED HIS SENATE CAMPAIGN FROM AYERS'S LIVING ROOM! That isn't something you do when you don't know somebody very well.
Yeeeah, that's not proof. Hell it isn't even a valid point. An established member and activist of a community giving a boost to an up and coming member who is favored by other leaders in the community doesn't require the two to be close personal friends. Why don't you take a deep breath, and go here for a bit of reality on the whole subject:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/790/
She wasn't knowledgeable about foreign affairs, and she had to toe the line with McCain. Plus, the press is so far in the tank that she couldn't make a mistake at all or the press would use it as an excuse to label her a know nothing hick, despite her accomplishing more than they have in their pathetic lives. They did anyways, of course, and indoctrinated the populace into that line of thought. The Democrats, never having been concerned with things like "facts" and "honesty" were more than happy to supply the talking points necessary for the media to parrot.
So in short she's being handled to the point of looking incompetent because of weakness in foreign affairs and because the media has an anti-republican conspiracy going that they wanted to avoid?
Don't even try that bullshit on me. You ever heard of the Community Reinvestment Act?
As a matter of fact, I have. Would you be referring to the original 1977 act, or the various modifications to it that have taken place over the last 30 years? In any case, it's an exageration and a distortion to say that it was for forcing banks to hand out loans to the poor. It was to combat discrimination in lending based on things such as race or location.
The best part of a deregulated market is that businesses can hang themselves. You clearly don't understand that.
Oh? I'd say that's more or less exactly what's happened right now. Ever heard of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000? Or the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act? Just to name a couple of the ways in which regulation and oversighe's been removed relatively recently.
So, regulations preventing expanding were relaxed, banks were allowed to expand as they desired. The end results has been golden parachutes for CEO's, risky behavior that took advantage of people, and ultimately the whole thing is in the middle of crashing down. Businesses saw an opportunity for profit, ignored the risk, and now those that engaged in the most risk are in the middle of hanging themselves.
Thus far, it's kinda sucked to the point that the government's insisted on doing something to try and bail them out; under the theory that if we let them perish as they should, they'll drag the economy, and therefore people's livelyhoods into utter ruin with them.
-Gray17
"And this is still just a bunch of ad hominem attacks relying on vague allegations, and guilt by association. "
So, when I do it it's "guilt by association", but when YOU do it it's "the truth". Got it.
The question remains: why did Obama associate with so many of these people? Why did he only disown them when it became a political liability not to do so? Just one crazy or corrupt official could be overlooked. This shows a definite pattern.
Went to the fact check link. The whole "debunking" is based on the fallacy that just because a Republican supported it, it must not be left wing. That, sadly, is bullshit. We also have the "he's not a terrorist because nobody died" bullshit in that same analysis. Given that the bomb that killed his comrades was a nail bomb, and they were to be used in a plot to blow up a dance for soldiers and their partners at Fort Dix, that is an outrageous lie.
Go figure out what media bias is. You love to point out the bias on Fox, now find where it's biased towards liberals i.e. on every other major news station. It's not a conspiracy, though, because there isn't any real coordination. It seems basically, to be journalists acting on shared assumptions, and given the liberal tilt of most journalists, that trends most networks in the liberal direction. It's most noticeable on MSNBC.
You should go read up on the Community Reinvestment Act. Specifically, you should read up on the part where banks are prosecuted if they don't "serve their communities" by loosening standards for the poor. The poor, not being known for paying off their debts, had high standards applied to them for a reason.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act
"Oh? I'd say that's more or less exactly what's happened right now. "
Apparently, I imagined Paulson taking $700B to save failing banks. Wake up. The entire purpose of Fannie and Freddie was to lower the risks of making bad debts. Both were government established agencies, and both were government back agencies. Those greedy bankers took advantage of that government provided opportunity, and made loans like mad. I garuntee you, had FM not been there screwing with the markets, none of this would have happened. The government interfered and got us where we are. Now it wants more power so that it can turn us into the USSA. Or, to put it simply, those CEOs have always been greedy bastards. Expecting them not to be greedy reeks of functional economic retardation. Greed makes the economy go 'round. Fannie and Freddie garunteed no risk, and they took it. Eliminate them, and the greed will regain its far sight, and less risks will be taken.
You know what happens when the wolves all die? The buzzards eat their corpse. People are scared. They don't want the pain. But pain is inevitable. Let the markets crash now, like they should have done a long time ago. Raise the interest rate up to a reasonable level, say 5%. Either get rid of the two GSEs entirely, or get them off federal money and don't save them when they eventually die again. Sadly, people have apparently forgotten that the economy fails when the government starts micromanaging.
So, when I do it it's "guilt by association", but when YOU do it it's "the truth". Got it.
...What the hell? When did I attack anyone's character? I've been attacking arguments. Pointing out logical fallicies. I haven't been claiming that McCain associates with criminals.
Went to the fact check link. The whole "debunking" is based on the fallacy that just because a Republican supported it, it must not be left wing.
Umm, I linked to two articles debunking various things about Ayers in relation to Obama. You're saying they're wrong about the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, but both links cover more than that. Specifically they covered the whole "lying" part as well. And I'd say your wrong that the debunking of the challenge is based on a fallacy. It's pointing out that while it was a departure from the norm, it had bi-partisan support. An attempt at fresh ideas, even left-wing ones does not mean criminal. Nor does it mean that it's radical in the same sense as radical islam.
Go figure out what media bias is. You love to point out the bias on Fox, now find where it's biased towards liberals i.e. on every other major news station.
The hell? I've never complained about the bias on Fox specially because everyone's biased.
You should go read up on the Community Reinvestment Act. Specifically, you should read up on the part where banks are prosecuted if they don't "serve their communities" by loosening standards for the poor. The poor, not being known for paying off their debts, had high standards applied to them for a reason.
Did you miss the part where I said that I was familiar with it? The point of it was to help put an end to "you live in a bad or so-so neighborhood, so we aren't going to lend to you at all." Hell, the wikipedia article you linked to even says "There are no specific penalties for non-compliance with the CRA." They didn't get sued if they didn't give loans to people that couldn't repay them. They'd have trouble at expanding if they didn't apply the same lending criteria to everyone. That's not loosening standards, that's an attempt at forcing some equal standards. "consistent with the safe and sound operation of such institutions." is kinda of contradictory to "give loans to people that clearly can't repay them."
Apparently, I imagined Paulson taking $700B to save failing banks.
You've missed my point. Regulations on banks were removed. Some particularly large ones proceeded to hang themselves through lack of caution. That we're currently attempting to get their necks out of the noose does not mean that they didn't hang themselves in the first place, it merely means that they were allowed to and we discovered that they didn't like it.
As for the rest... are you even arguing with me? Or are you arguing with some stereotype that you've got in your head? You're entire rant in the last two paragraphs is unrelated to anything I've said, and makes far more assumptions about my knowledge and opinions than are supported by what I've said. Hell, all your ranting about the two FMs is in response to me disagreeing that the Democrats were to blame because they gained a majority in congress two years ago.
-Gray17
Don't feel like commenting and most of what you guys are talking about but about the financial crisis... it is not the de-regulation that caused it... it is the bailing out of the few who were failing that convinced others that they can get in on the fun with no penalties... and the current bailout is only going to force business to assume that to be true in the future... WHY IN THE HELL WOULD ANY, FOLLOW SOUND BUSINESS PRACTICES WHEN MORE RISK BRINGS MORE REWARD AND FAILING GETS YOU A BAILOUT SO YOU CAN START OVER???? when you offer people greater rewards and promise to eliminate the risk, well you are not going to get many people doing the right thing.
There are several banks that thanks to their conservative business practices didn't go along with bad loans and now they are buying the competition though the government is punishing them by saving their competitors... so reward for bad behavior and punishment for good behavior.
name 1 reason why this is not the MAIN reason for the finacial melt down...
By the way as to the whole repubs are evil responsible blah blah blah... watch this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
try as I might I cannot blame this on the republican party...
oh and don't vote Mccain, he has been running on the fight against earmarks (19billion worth) and then voted for 150 billion of earmarks. All this and the bill itself was against most conservative values...
No, the Republican party is definitely in there along with everyone else. As I said at the start of Dark Sovereign's rant against a strawman, this is from both parties failing at regulation in general. Other factors as well, but the regulation thing might have stopped some of those:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/oct/13/what-caused-crisis-no-one-thing/
-Gray17
One, Obama's healthcare plan says nothing about "taking over the healthcare industry." In fact, it specifically promotes continuing existing coverage as part of the plan.
Two, have you seen McCain's health care plan? Here it is:
- Tax employee's health benefits as income.
- Use those taxes to give everybody $5,000.
- Send those people out to find their own damn coverage, even if it costs much more than $5,000.
- If you have any sort of pre-existing condition, it sucks to be you.
That's a TOTAL disaster. My fiancee would never have health care again under that plan, and neither would millions of others. Americans today depend on employer-provided healthcare, and McCain wants to take it away.
Is that what you want?
Yes, I've seen them both. Obama's plan is often cited as the first step to nationalized healthcare by the people who want such things. Basically, private insurers can't compete with cheap government care. So, people shift to the government plan. More for the government means less for the private insurers. Eventually, The government takes over it all, because it has no real competition. Obama's a con artist, nothing more. McCain's an ass, but at least he's honest.
I think you over estimate how cheap the government care would be. And you kind of ignore that the government health insurance plans are themselves contracted out to private corporations.
-Gray17
Continuing what Krono is saying: There really is no need for name-calling. And no, Obama is not a con artist, and McCain is not the least bit honest.
To tell you the truth, I've seen what both parties can do. The Democrats are bold, visionary, and have good intentions, but are too idiotic to work effectively and formulate a plan. The Republicans are smart and experienced, but they're somewhat evil, and they tend to create plans that only benefit them or the richest Americans.
My belief--no, my idea--is that the American populace needs to move past the two-party system. I am hoping that Obama beats out McCain, but I was also hoping to see a large favoring towards third party candidates. I would've enjoyed seeing a large percentage of voters move towards Ralph Nader (independent) or Cynthia McKinney (Green Party) or--hell, I wouldn't've minded seeing the Socialists make a daring move! as long as we started moving away from Dems and Reps.
.....Oh, well. Judging by the polls, it may be too late...Well, there's always 2012.
Game on, brothers and sisters.
Lets get something straight. Being Christian, or heavily Christian, does not make you a JT supporter. I am heavily Christian, and yet I do not support him in the least, so lets leave religion out of this.
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No no, Jack is an anti-game fanatic using Christianity as a cover-up. A real Christian would remember to do unto others as he would have them do unto him.
And once again, Jack is seen leeching off those in crisis at the worst of times.
Shouldn't he be HELPING the McCain/Palin campagin?
I hope Palin does a simple google search to see many facts from Jack Thompson are from unreliable sources, or just complete lies that he made up for the TV.
Actually, she just need to google search Jack Thompson, and see why he is being Disbarred, which includes knowingly giving out false information.
"I hope Palin does a simple google search to see many facts from Jack Thompson are from unreliable sources, or just complete lies that he made up for the TV."
The particularly sad thing about her, and Politicians in general, is that she most certainly won't check. On the plus side, however, she won't read the email; she's too afraid of getting hacked.
If she finds out that he will soon be disbarred will she still take him seriously?
"You will see voters flock to your proposal."
Oh yeah, I can see them coming already.
He forgot to tell her how he is about to get disbarred for, among other things, falsely and publicly accused various attorneys and their clients of engaging in a conspiracy/enterprise involving the criminal distribution of sexual materials to minors" and attempted to get prosecuting authorities to charge these attorneys and their clients for racketeering and extortion and making false statements of material fact to courts and repeatedly violated a court order...basically lying his butt off.
Doubt this letter will even get to her anyway. Even if it did and she happened to read it...so what? Palin is pretty much a joke herself.
Oh, my goodness. You all don't know what is going on behind the scenes with The Bar and me. Dennis McCauley didn't report it? Get ready for a big surprise, kids. Jack Thompson, Attorney
It's like you are in a never-ending echo canyon, that sentence has been bouncing back and forth for years...
funny how you say "McCauley didn't report it?" and then not say what you are talking about. probably because you're, oh I dunno, a liar.
Oh my god!
You actually stooped low enough to sign up for a username here?
How Pathetic!
BTW, we know exactly what's going on. There is this thing on the web called PACER. Fabulous service. It allows you get court documents at any time. Moron.
Hey, i'm glad he's here. We do need two sides, after all.
~You Could Be Mine, But You're Way Out Of Line..~
Problem is, it breaks Rule 37. The fact that Jack actually joined up here is equal to Division By Zero.
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I AM DOOMED TO HAUNT JACK THOMPSON'S DREAMS UNTIL HIS CRUSADE AGAINST VIDEO GAMES ENDS.
If this is really Jack ( I doubt you are the real one, seeing how registering on this site is "below you")....
You mean your threatening toothless letter to the bar and state attorney that you were being singled out for your "whistle blowing" in your not-so-bestselling book? Or was it the video game industry conspiring to attack you for your criticism? Hmmmmmmmm. Well if you are the real Jack, you are a proven LIAR and now disbarred for your misconduct...sooooo good riddence. In my opinion you are a crackpot, outdated, a liar, an asshole, and you need to check yourself in for narcassistic personality disorder
Cheers!
No, I think this is the real deal. Keep in mind, back when GP ran on top of a LiveJournal account, Jack created over 50 LJ accounts in order to post here. So I don't think registering here is below him. Face it, when you're at rock bottom, nothing is below you.
well glad to see he know his position
Oh oh! I know what the October Surprise is! I know the headlines!
-Jack Thompson! "I'm a closet homosexual!"-
Mr. Thompson, you were disbarred. Despite everything you say, that sanction against you was legal because you were too busy being a self-righteous childish git to actually practice law and know that your disciplinary hearing wasn't a misnomer. That trial wasn't YOU prosecuting Take-Two. It was a disciplinary hearing dealing with your childish conduct.
You lost. Take some of your own advice and grow up and get a life.
David "DavCube" Gagnon, Sane Human Being, and You're Not.
I know *exactly* what the big surprise is
Not only are you disbarred for life, all of your children are banned from ever joining the bar.
leave his family out of it
岩「…Ace beats Jack」
I don't really see that as an attack on his family. What are the chances his kid wants to be a lawyer?
It's more a "vist the sins of the fathers" comment, directly attacking JT and his motives.
it is an attack to his family.. albiet a bit indirect.
jsut becareful of such things.
By definition, doesn't 'Behind the scenes' mean its 'Off Camera' as is not being reported... by Anyone? (At this stage, of course... Assuming what you're saying does actually have some bearing)
- Tim Kowalenko
Oh? Would that be Federal case# 1:08-cv-22378-UU? You know, the one where Tom Hall kicked your butt so bad you voluntarily dismissed your case, basically saying in your Notice on 10/04/2008 "I'm taking my ball and going home, but I still won! So there! :P".
Or, hey, how about Federal case# 1:08-cv-22603-MGC? You know, the one with about 77 defendants? You know, the one the Florida Bar just noted that the Federal court isn't in the business, "nor should it be", of deciding who is or is not licensed by state Bars? The one in which you stomp your feet about how the court should decide on your motion to have all Florida Bar member Federal judges disqualified in judging your case? You know, the one in which you say the Florida Bar and other defendants don't have the Right to choose their own attornies? You know, the one in which the Florida Bar points out that you DID have the opportunity to file your documents and defend yourself so long as you followed the requirements set forth by the Florida Supreme Court but in which you continue to claim you were denied the Right to defend yourself entirely?
You know, the one you want to fight the Florida Bar over so you can aid a convicted rapist get out of jail? Or is it, rather, the other way around? So that you can use the convicted rapist and his family's claims of corruption to save your own arse by damaging the Florida Bar in some way, such as through the Grand Jury you're screaming for? You know, the one where you want to save your skin, even at the cost of putting a rapist back on the street? Much like you want to use a murderer like Devin Moore to further your other Anti-First Amendment agenda, even at the cost of having that murderer put back on the street sooner.
Oh, and BTW, we now know the REAL reason you were claiming to run for Florida Bar President. We have seen Gorman's dad admit he has a CD of all the Florida Bar attornies. A CD which YOU requested in your false claim to canvas for supporters for your fake claim to be Florida Bar President.
Maybe it's time for ME to do a little letter writing. Unlike you, however, I don't have to stick my nose up their butts so far that I risk having it bit off.
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Nightwng2000 has also updated his MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl
What, no comments to this post, Jack?
Truth hurts, don't it?
Ooh, ooh! Do you have the links to those court doc.s? I'd love to see them: more comedy gold from Mr. Thompson himself!
Game on, brothers and sisters.
Ohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboy!!!!
Ican'twaitIcan'twaitIcan'twaitIcan'twait!!!!!
Tellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellme!!!!!!
But seriously Jack? Nobody gives a shrivelled-up crap what you do anymore. Get a life.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAH!
i love how thers 'something we dont know' yet you dont actually tell us as usual.
Is this like the 972 other times we should 'Get ready for a big surprise'?
Because to tell you the truth im kinda sad i keep getting my hopes up , and you never show up with the suprise.. like ever.. EVER... Im still waiting for the first suprise you promised us Jack.
come on dont be mean!
Just like we should get ready for jackvsgoliath.com?
No, we don't know. What, Jack? What big surprise is in store? Please, enlighten us.
Game on, brothers and sisters.
Wouldn't this sort of thing go against McCain's deregulation schtick?
Awwwww, poor Jackie boy has nothing to do now that he can't practice law (well, soon enough anyway). You can just hear him screaming between the lines "Someone please pay attention to meeeeeee!"
Tea and cake or death! Tea and cake or death! Little Red Cook-book! Little Red Cook-book!
I see that Dennis has relatively little traffic at this site lately, so since any item dealing with me has by contrast an extraordinarily high number of hits and posts, I decided to help my dear friend Dennis out with a little additional ad revenue that will come his way by virtue of this returning to a nearly 365/24/7 Jack Thompson site.
Having said that, Dennis, of course, did not contact me and ask me for the proposal. He assumed that it would be simply the same law that was unanimously passed and signed by the Governor in Louisiana. Unlike the video game industry, I learn from my failures. That is why the new approach, which cannot be challenged on any conceivable First Amendment grounds, goes the route of the federal Fraudulent and Deceptive Trade Practices Act. This approach utterly avoids any content-related classification. It would simply amend the federal law to state that any retailer engaged in interstate commerce (Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Target, GameStop, etc.) that represents it uniformly age-IDs the sale of its games to people when it does not is violative of the act. This would stop all Internet sales by these establishments that fail to use age verification software made by outfits such as Aristotle. That is what is used for Internet sales of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms.
Wal-Mart asking for a credit card number is of course not age verification, and that has been established in hearings before Congress. It is also a violation of all credit card agreements with banks to use a credit card as an age verifier. Why? Because anyone of any age can have a credit card. Duh. Real age verification uses government ID data input.
Also, the passage of this law will make compliance at the point of sale devices in these brick and mortar stores close to 100%.
Finally, some moron above suggests I am taking advantage of other people's misery by writing this letter to the next next President of the United States. Since when is trying to prevent killings taking advantage of other people's misery? If I were the massacre chaser claimed by idiots like Hal Halpin, then I would be working to keep the games coming to underage kids. It's probably time for video gamers at this site and elsewhere to use their brains.
We're going to have a federal law on this. Deal with it. Jack Thompson, Still an Attorney and You're Still Not
Jack, you've been taking advantage of other people's misery for years, and when you are taking advantage of it, you are causing it.
"Jack Thompson, Still an Attorney and You're Still Not"
Why do you still sign with that? Do you actually think that impresses anyone? you're not an attorney in anyones eyes anymore, and very soon, you won't be on paper anymore either.
you will be ignored, so just give up. and even then, what makes you think they will win? maybe you should wait until after the election to do such things. or are you doing this in hopes they won't realize you are being disbarred. you're idiotic posts bring great joy to my heart.
Very soon he will be falsely representing himself if he continues to use it. After accusing Dennis of doing so with his freelance newspaper work, the hypocracy will be delicious, not to mention possibly illegal.
If only he knew, there will be people on this board who will be attorneys long after he's reduced to 'Chapter 14 - Professional Conduct, Discplinary Procedures and Disbarment - A Case Study.'
He'll finally have the fame he so lusts after ;)
I see that Dennis has relatively little traffic at this site lately, so since any item dealing with me has by contrast an extraordinarily high number of hits and posts, I decided to help my dear friend Dennis out with a little additional ad revenue that will come his way by virtue of this returning to a nearly 365/24/7 Jack Thompson site.
Ad revenue?
He's been told several times there are no revenue-generating ads on the site, but we are talking about Jack Thompson here, you've read his court documents, reading comprehension isn't one of his strong points.
correct. no ads.
Been that way a long time, and he knows that.
That is painfully obvious:
Innumerable school shootings have been caused by these murder simulators, including those at Paducah, Columbine, Red Lake, and Virginia Tech.
Really? I thought those were causes by nutters wielding guns, not video games.. I missed the bit where a copy of GTA4 went postal and started attacking people..
Having a slow Friday Jack?
No, I'm quite busy today. I began my day at 4:30 am, while you were recovering from a marijuana hangover. I work 14-hour days. That's why I'm well known, and nobody gives a damn who the Hell you are. Jack Thompson
Browsing Gay Porn sites whilst your wife is asleep doesn't count as work Jack :)
Very nice ma boi. Have a cookie.
*drives a truckload of cookies* Hell let's give some to everybody!
None for Jack though, I eated his already.
Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.
Really accusing people of drugs use is beneath you Jack, or it sure as hell should be. You claim to be busy yet you still find enough time to spot your name being posted and jump on the thread sharpish. I can only assume you really are getting to be like Batman and monitoring all internet activity for appearances of your name.
Especially if he has a computer setup like the one in The Dark Knight... :P
-- "Jack and listen are two words that don't go together...just like Jack and sanity, Jack and truth, Jack and proof, Jack and win..." -- sortableturnip | http://www.orangeloungeradio.com/
Mr Thompson, let me point some things out to you.
While you look down on people twice as intelligent as yourself, offer Palin 'advice' (which I have on good authority that she is completely fucking ignoring) and generally act like the sun shines out your ass, I get twice as much done in my day as you do. Of course, this may be because I don't have to spend 14 hours of my day putting out the fires from when I figured I could burn bridges because the UCLA would save my ass. I go to bed at 0300, and reawaken at 0600-0645 M-F, 0900 Saturday, and 0800 Sunday (church and breakfast out with my family). I've been gaming most of my life, and am insulted by your assumption that we are all on drugs.
Of course, you are a pathological liar, and a complete and utter Narcisist, so when you insult us we can take a lot of solace in the fact that most of the world knows you are A) full of shit and B) a disgrace to your profession. If you were as busy as you claim, surely your day wouldn't have time in it for Gamepolitics where you can be proven wrong by the people you feel beneath you.
Let me tell you a story Jack. When I was a young boy, my family was very rich. We hobnobbed with politicians, we ate at fancy restaraunts (100$s a plate fancy, minimum) and generally acted better than people poorer than us. My parents said if you had a tattoo, smoked, or drank to excess that you were a bad person. Then I realized that my parents also looked down on people like the people here; some of the hardest working Americans are video gamers. That's about when I set out to make my own fortune and not act like a cunt like my parents do. I learn from my history, how about you man up and do the same, or change your name to Jacqueline.
There is no law you can pass that will be constitutional, and you know it. Of course, that doesn't matter, the mere fact you suggest the law is like an albatross around your own neck.
In summation, have fun being unemployed while I sit in my big house with my family, dog, and video games, and revel in the knowledge that you're not looked on as a martyr as you hoped, but as a pariah.
I think your post didn't get past his 'tl;dr' filter.
... and looking at EZK's counter, we've got about 14 and a half days.
Maybe he should spend more time cleaning out his desk and leave us grownups alone? Just a thought.
-- "Jack and listen are two words that don't go together...just like Jack and sanity, Jack and truth, Jack and proof, Jack and win..." -- sortableturnip | http://www.orangeloungeradio.com/
Yes, you seem quite busy. Frequenting a gamer's news blog would put a toll on anyone's schedule.
Get yourself a real carreer whilst you can. Time is ticking away. (About 15 and a half days if this timer is correct.)
That's funny...I've never taken illegal drugs in my LIFE! And no one gives a damn who you are either!
No, I'm quite busy today. I began my day at 4:30 am, while you were recovering from a marijuana hangover. I work 14-hour days. That's why I'm well known, and nobody gives a damn who the Hell you are.
And this is why no one listens to you.
Wow, way to be an even bigger douche than usual. I'd like to point out that you're "well known" as being the biggest fuck up in attorney history. Please, refer me to someone else who has been disbarred for LIFE. While your at it, look at the reasons they've been disbarred for life. For example, John Duncan, who stole $300,000 from his clients, or Scooter Libby, who was famously disbarred after interfering with the investigation of the CIA leak.
These are the people you are associated with. The fact that you've been on FOX 5,000 and a half times, and 60 minutes to save the children from the big bad video games will not be remembered. Only the fact that you did anything and everything you could to ruin the lives of people who simply disagreed with you, or was close to someone who disagreed with you for that matter, will be remembered.
The fact that "no one" knows who we are is really more of a comfort. We don't get visisted by US Marshalls, we don't get threatening emails and phone calls, and we sure as hell don't have to live the rest of our lives in the shame you have yet to acknowledge because in the world according to you, you're a saint who can do no wrong and when someone fails to realize this they should be damned to hell.
-"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
Fixed:
No, I'm quite busy today. I began my day at 4:30 am, while recovering from a marijuana hangover. I work 14-hour days and nobody gives a damn who the hell Jack Thompson is.
Need to lay off the MJ Mr. T.
_________________________ And the rain will kill us all... We throw ourselves against the walls.. but no one else can see.... the preservation of the martyr in me.... Psychosocial
<deep inhale, followed by coughing>
I'm sorry, what were you saying?
Game on, brothers and sisters.
Ad revenue? I see no Ads other than the sites which are always in the top right hand corner who are affiliates. More lies Jack? Do you ever get tired of telling them?
As for the rest of the garbage contained within, sorry but all your posturing now is just laughable. You're a has-been and all the assertions that there will be laws passed when you spent your now defunct career trying your best are hollow. Maybe now you are gone the adults in the room can have meaningful discourse on the subject.
"I am taking advantage of other people's misery by writing this letter to the next next President of the United States."
Well John, if that were the case then you might be telling the truth. But since you can't seem to differentiate between John and Sarah (The next POTENTIAL Pres and VICE Pres.) My hopes aren't to high. I do like your enthusiasm for the republican party though. You're awfully certain they're going to win. Good for you.
"We're going to have a federal law on this. Deal with it."
Rather sure of yourself aren't you? One look at your track record would indicate otherwise. You're a media whore John. You're not a lawyer.
You apparently can't read. I referred to her as the "next next President." See if you can follow this, despite your gaming brain: The next President is either Obama or McCain. The next next President will be, I believe, Palin. Got it? Empty your drool cup.
Let me get this straight, you beleive that the next next President will be Palin, but the next President is either Obama or McCain. So are you saying that regardless of who is the next President, Palin will be the VP?
It's not so much that he can't read, it's that you can't write. What sort of English is that?
We can read, its just that 'next next' doesn't make grammatical sense. Go into Microsoft Word, or another program that has the Spell/Grammar check ability and type the phrase "Sarah Palin will be the next next President of the United States" (Not the exact sentence, but it doesn't matter for the point I'm trying to make.) It has a problem with you using 'next' twice.
And honestly, how old are you Jack? A little old to be using childish insults don't you think?
- Tim Kowalenko
so you admit to conspiring to kill McCain?
岩「…Ace beats Jack」
Didn't know "next next" was part of your vocabulary. You really need to hit the books Jack. I belive that next next week you won't be able to use the "Jack Thompson Attorney and you are not" bullshit.
words fail me to describe how wrong and utterly EPIC FAIL what you have just said, Mr. Thompson...
are you going to kill the next president? And how sure are you that Palin will even be a runner for the next (butno this upcoming) elections?
Wow, you're pretty damn sure of yourself, aren't you?
Trust me when I say this: unless she cheats or pulls something out of her ass like a rabbit out of a hat, Palin will never be elected president. Not because she's a woman, not because she's a Republican, but because of what she's done and what she plans to do. Look through a few websites, and you'll know why I said that.
Game on, brothers and sisters.
Difference is, you cannot import or download Firearms or Tobacco, you can, however, import or download movies from the US. You can't apply a law for internal sales to the export market, and to do so with computer games would be descrimination against a particular form of Speech, especially since you STILL have provided no evidence of a causal link between Video Games and Violent behaviour.
Ooh, spaces. DUN DUN DUN!
~You Could Be Mine, But You're Way Out Of Line..~
Splendid. So instead of violating the first amendment, you're simply planning to abuse the interstate commerce clause.
Good idea. Nobody really cares about that one.
"compliance in stores to 100%"
you mean... kind of like how it is now? I'm ALL in favor of keeping certain games out of the hands of children, but it isnt the governments job to do so. It's the PARENTS. You really want to continue this assault on personal responsibility at a federal level? The point is, every piece of video game legislation that passes accross peoples desk has done nothing but "impose" laws and create "committees" that do what is ALREADY in place. They're trading tax payers dollars for votes, and that to me is more corrupt than Tyco and Enron COMBINED. These laws are doing nothing... NOTHING but wasting our time and money.
You've been disciplined for your lack of ethics. Now is the time to wake up and realize that your pursuit has given you nothing to show except shame, both upon you and your family. Take a good long look in the mirror. You've lost your job, you've lost your credibility, and you've lost practically everybodies respect. This isn't about "us Vs. you". It's about what's right and what's wrong.
Go back to watching in silence. It was a golden time when you weren't around. It was a time when my intelligence and sanity were safe.
"...more corrupt than Tyco and Enron COMBINED."
And WorldCom! Don't forget WorldCom!
Game on, brothers and sisters.
Jack, you do realize no online firearms sales use those systems right? Because you know, you have to get it shipped to an FFL who won't give you that rifle if your underage.
Also, when do you plan on forcing the same system on movies?
"I see that Dennis has relatively little traffic at this site lately, so since any item dealing with me has by contrast an extraordinarily high number of hits and posts, I decided to help my dear friend Dennis out with a little additional ad revenue that will come his way by virtue of this returning to a nearly 365/24/7 Jack Thompson site."
Have you actually bothered to look at anything on this site other than your smug face and your name in print? There ARE no ads, there are MANY other things being talked about than you. ESPECIALLY now. I know someone with NPD to your degree of severity makes that a hard fact to swallow, but please, do try to keep up.
"Having said that, Dennis, of course, did not contact me and ask me for the proposal. He assumed that it would be simply the same law that was unanimously passed and signed by the Governor in Louisiana."
It was turned over. Accept it and move on.
"Unlike the video game industry, I learn from my failures."
No, you most certainly don't. You haven't done ANYTHING different and actually WORSEN your harrassment tactics over the years. You don't e-mail 'evidence' into a court docket. That's something you should have learned in Vanderbilt along with learning how to become a decent human being.
"This would stop all Internet sales by these establishments that fail to use age verification software made by outfits such as Aristotle. That is what is used for Internet sales of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms."
Credit Cards are proof of age. Accept it and move on, Mr. Thompson. Only a stupid parent like yourself would allow their underage children to use their credit card for online purchases. You should know this. You're SUPPOSED to be smart. Apparently not.
"Because anyone of any age can have a credit card. Duh. Real age verification uses government ID data input."
No they can't. If a minor has one, than it isn't under their name. Learn how the market works before running your mouth.
"Since when is trying to prevent killings taking advantage of other people's misery?"
How about mocking the deaths of others in the process like a giddy schoolgirl? Steve Chaykin being a prime example of that.
Mr. Thompson, you WERE supposed to be an attorney. Now you're not. No one has, is, or ever WILL take you seriously. EVER. You're a source of entertainment and nothing more because of your blatent stupidity, super-ego, hypocricy, and disregard for the law that you were supposed to uphold as well as your own family. You're a dispicable human being, and that's with video games aside.
David "DavCube" Gagnon, Sane Human Being, and You're Still Not.
Sue me over this. I FREAKING DARE YOU. I'll make more money than you ever did as an attorney telling the story that i was sued for bad-mouthing some infantile loser over the internet.
I'm actually currently in law school. So around the time you leave the scene, I'll be graduating. And here's something for you to think about: Myself, and several of the friends I've made around campus, have chosen to go to law school solely because we've seen what an absolute bastard you are, and don't want the only voices about video games in the world to be negative ones.
Congratulations, you've ensured an entire generation of lawyers whose goal is to undo the damage you have done to the world.
Something to be thinking about while you waste away.
-- Sometimes the truth is arrived at by adding all the little lies together and deducting them from the totality of what is known
Thanks for coming into the arena then Saregos. I know I'm glad that we will soon have more well qualified law professionals to refute the claims of those such as jackie boi.
Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.
It is also a violation of all credit card agreements with banks to use a credit card as an age verifier. Why? Because anyone of any age can have a credit card. Duh. Real age verification uses government ID data input.
Banks require anyone signing up for a credit card to be 18 years of age or older or accompanied by a parent.
An Adult Verification System (AVS) is a computing system used by a website to confirm that the user attempting to access their website is of the age required (usually by law) to view the website's content, which could include sex, nudity, violence or profanity. The system is used to legally protect companies from punishment under laws against Disseminating pornography to a minor. These systems always use a credit card.
岩「…Ace beats Jack」
You can't use the government to enforce company policy (unless that policy precluded something that was inherently illegal). Again Jack, the government has a boatload of shit that it would rather take care of in the mean time rather than listen to your ramblings. If you're so pissed off about a company not following policy, that's a civil matter and you should deal with the company directly or contact the Better Business Bureau.
I'm going to forego a long rant about how wrong you and everything you stand for are, but I will say this.
I. Hate. You.
-"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
how do I put this simply.
You cant but the force of law behind a voluntary rating system, and you cant try to put any other system in place.
learn your law already.
"so since any item dealing with me has by contrast an extraordinarily high number of hits and posts"
That's because you're no longer taken seriously and are no longer seen as a threat. You're now a simple source of entertainment. We never wanted this animosity. The gaming community has tried over and over again in futile attempts to have a civilized conversation with you and work something out between us. Hell, we even sent you flowers. Every time we tried civility with you, you spat in our faces. That's why you are now nothing more than entertainment. Since you won't treat us with respect like a decent human being, you won't receive respect and serious acknowledgement in return.
"Finally, some moron above suggests I am taking advantage of other people's misery by writing this letter to the next next President of the United States."
This holier-than-thou attitude that you have does not make it more likely for people to take you seriously. Stooping to childish name calling that I'm sure your own child is even too mature to use is just ridiculous. Every time somebody opposes you, you start calling them names and making threats. Does name-calling and threat-making sound like something a good, competent lawyer would do or like something an angry child would do? You use terror tactics and threats to try to get your way with judges and game companies. By all definitions, you sir, are a terrorist.
I'm sorry you were disbarred. Losing a career is a terrible thing for anybody but you brought it upon yourself. It wasn't the Florida Supreme Court trying to silence you, it wasn't video game companies that were out to get you. It was your behavior and your behavior alone.
Ha! I lol'd the minute you signed on.
Since when is trying to prevent killings taking advantage of other people's misery?
Preventing killings? What are you, Jack Bauer?...Although, in your mind, you probably are.
It's probably time for video gamers at this site and elsewhere to use their brains.
We have been. I've currently been using my brain to do college work. What have you been using your brain for?!
We're going to have a federal law on this. Deal with it. Jack Thompson, Still an Attorney and You're Still Not
Mmmm-bullshit! Enjoy disbarment, buddy boy!
Game on, brothers and sisters.
Jack R rated movies are not regulated by the government why the hell should games be treated any differently??? This is a job for the PARENTS not BIG BROTHER!!!!!!
Actually, movies are regulated by 40+ states as to content. Florida is one of them. Maybe you should do a little research before you make a fool of yourself. Jack Thompson, ATTORNEY
Prove it.
Exactly....Prove it or it doesn't happen.
Just look up the Florida statute, moron.
That's the beautiful thing John, we're not making statements. You are. Why should we do the work? How about you back up what you say? Oh that's right, you never do, why ruin your track record now?
Tell me which specific statute you refer to, and I will.
On a State level, maybe. Federally, I don't think they are.
~You Could Be Mine, But You're Way Out Of Line..~
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?mode=View+Statutes&SubMenu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=audiovisual&URL=CH0540/Sec12.HTM
Funny, that doesn't seem to be about regulation but more about Piracy. Strange. Maybe you should give us the link to your statute, fuck-mook.
Fact of the matter is, no state has laws requiring regulation of Movie theaters. Otherwise, when I got see R-Rated comedies and horror movies, I wouldn't be sitting in a theater with a bunch of thirteen year olds. Now, THANK GOD, most theaters will throw those fucking kids out if you ask, and there's an usher at the theater I go to who I've been calling 'Johnny Law' because if you go outside and tell him something's up, he comes down on those kids like the fucking police on a drug dealer, which is really hilarious to watch.
I think that's it for me for now, I'm going to the firing range (unless he's said something else fucktarded).
It's Thompson, everything that leaves his mouth is, as you say, fucktarded (I like that word now btw). But hey, you could always staple his face to the targets.
Again, YOU prove it or it's a big steaming pile of good ole' JT BULL$HIT!
The content is regulated by law, in certain areas, however, over-the-counter sales are not, which is what you are trying to do. The Computer Industry has never, and will never oppose a law that does nothing more than bring Video Games in line with movies, check your own facts on that one.
As for Palin, I like the way you write to her, you probably assume she is just some hick from the outlands of Alaska who hasn't been keeping up with recent events... But then, intelligent people scare you.
uhhh... no, they're not. there is no law on movies. it's the stores job to regulate what they want to sell. the state has nothing to do with it. and again, you won't be an attorney for long, it is not a badge of honor, just a reminder of you huge failures as a human.
Jacko is the big bad wolf. All bluster but no bite. When has anything he has said he was going to do or anything he has said turned out to be true? Remember the last time he told us to look something up? It was a quote about art being that which is true and beautiful. Well, I looked it up and it only shows up in fundamentalist Christian writings not the ancient Greeks like he claimed. Remember that law that he guaranteed was constitutional? Remember jackandgoliath.com? He also loves to cite a study from Indiana University medical but the study doesn't say anything like what he claims it does. This "40+ states regulate movies on content" is just the latest of his bluster. If you want to talk about pornographic films then sure they are regulated but that isn't what is being discussed. The MPAA ratings are not enforced by law. Period. Jacko is the one blustering. It is up to Jacko to provide the evidence. Until then he can huff and puff but he'll never blow my house down...
http://www.popularculturegaming.com
Jacko is the big bad wolf.
funny thing is that Palin wants to legalize the hunting of wolves.
岩「…Ace beats Jack」
Wolves are creatures that have an important niche in their ecosystem.
JT is an idiot.
Please don't insult the wolf.
Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.
"Please don't insult the wolf."
Seconded. "Roxas" from before GP changed into its present format (the GP that existed when I started coming here) is a wolf person.
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Movie theaters are regulated by the National association of Theater Owners (yes, NATO). I used to work at one and I can tell you that certainly in California, there is no law that prevented me from letting kids into an R-rated movie. NATO could come down on the movie theater I worked at, and I would certainly get fired if they did so, but the goverment couldn't do a damn thing unless we were showing a porno.
two words for you Jackhole: UNRATED DVDs
岩「…Ace beats Jack」
Sure, they're enforced, but way worse then video games. At 16 I went to see Saw 3 and wasn't carded. Then when I went to see Rambo, way more violent than any video game I play, not only was I not carded, I also wasn't even checked to see if I had a ticket.
I'd be hard pressed to buy an M rated game now without being carded, from anywhere.
Why don't you do a little research besides misquoting APA reports, and sending in your one son into one Best Buy to buy one game?
-"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
actually, this is wrong.
the MPAA is an elective body that is privately owned to rate movies based on their content. it is not government mandated however.
having said that, most theatres in the united states have some sort of deal where they enforce the MPAA ratings system because if they do not and are caught, the MPAA will fine them for not IDing for age appropriate movies. this is mainly done though to help theatres keep a "family friendly" reputation.
if it was government mandated, then every movie ever made, big or small, would have to be subjected to the MPAA ratings system. however, this is not true, because there are thousands and thousands of unrated movies in existence. the downside though, to refusing classification, is that the film will never see play in large theatre chains, and will most likely be relegated to runs in privately owned cinemas and art house cinemas.
the sole exclusion of this, as of right now, is pornography. but that is only because our christian run society wants to tell people how to live their lives. now, im not saying that pornography should be accessible by children, or that requiring age verification for it, or video games for that matter, is or isnt wrong, but i certainly am saying that the government has no voice in how parents should choose to raise their children. particularly when every other week there is a news story about this or that senator getting caught in a subway restroom reeming some 21 year old intern in the ass, while at the same time condemning homosexuality.
but quite honestly, all of this is irrelevant. you, like every other politician on the planet, choose a topic and you fight it fervently and without logic, making a solitary (usually wrong) accusation and use that as leverage to try and shape the constitution to your closed-minded interpretation.
you rally back and forth calling video games "murder simulators," but at the same time (from the best i can see, anyway) being completely oblivious to 90% of the content in said games.
the ESRB, just like the MPAA, are both counter productive to the first amendment of the constitution, and in any capacity of trying to mandate the classification of games or movies under either of them would be unconstitutional. the theory of having them is logical, and i support it for what it is ment to do, but when games and movies have to be edited to meet guidelines set forth by either body to allow them to be marketed, that is unconstitutional in and of itself.
the ratings systems were originally enacted to give patrons of said entertainment a general overview of what to expect upon using them, allowing the patrons themselves to determine whether they want to or want to allow their children to be subjected to the contents therein. but now, thanks to the media rallying of the ratings system and people like tipper gore, the ratings system is basically an entertainment illuminati.
whats next? are you going to rally to shut down all broadcast radio stations that play rock and roll and rap music, citing the "negative influence they have on the mental health and stability of our children?"
my point is this, you are choosing to focus on video games as the cause for societies ills, claiming that young children have impressionable minds that are being corrupted by video games. now, i dont necessarily disagree with that, but saying that video games are the sole factor in school shootings, or the stabbings in london, or the taxi cab killing in thailand, or whatever else, is extremely closed-minded and poorly judged on your part. could it be a large factor? yeah, sure, why not. however, it all stems from simple neglect on the part of the parents for not taking a more active role in raising their children. and the government has no place sticking their hand in such matters. if a kid is allowed by their parent to play grand theft auto for 12 hours a day, it is not take two's fault if the kid goes bananas and stabs his friend in the neck, it is the parents fault for not slapping the kid and telling them to put the controller down for a little while.
Wow Jack . . .
Hitting on and sexual harassing females lawyers is one thing
Hittig on and sexual harassing female federal workers is grounds for prison time.
"We may be human, but we're still animals" -Steve Vai (World's greatest guitarist!)
What in the world are you talking about?
Seconded - What the fuck are you on about?
~You Could Be Mine, But You're Way Out Of Line..~
I think he's referring to you harassing Palin with your idiotic letter. I don't know if the letter counts as harassment, really, but it is a nusiance to her I'm sure.
"Sexually Harrasing"?
~You Could Be Mine, But You're Way Out Of Line..~
Well it was a nicely worded letter, but 'sexually' so may be taking it a little far
I'd like to point out this here is proof that we aren't just hating on Jack. We only react to the stuff he actually does. Someone made a claim against JT that wasn't accurate and several people stepped up to say it wasn't the case. When we laugh at him and make fun of him, it's only for the things he is really doing.
Yes. THIS is the topic they will latch to... not the huge global financial crisis that is going on right this moment. No, THIS is the big issue.
It is for Jack, he probably blames the recession on Video Games ;)
Kind of funny since most people consider the video games industry "recession proof".
So wait, Palin is going to get pally with the person who claims they briefed Clinton during Hot Coffee. I can just imagine what the Press would make of that... Especially considering the debacle that finally became.
Here's a news flash for you, jerko: I have worked most closely on this issue with Joe Lieberman. Did you hear that he and McCain are pals? Did you know that McCain has called for measures to keep Mature games out of the hands of kids. My goodness, how dumb are you?
Not as dumb as you, obviously, for someone who claims to be Media Sensitive, and who has used Media Spin for his own agenda frequently, do you think that people are going to care? What will count is that someone who briefed Hilary Clinton on something that failed abysmally and expensively wants to work with Palin. You've counted on Public ignorance more than once, but that door can swing in both directions Jack.
That was years ago, Mr. Thompson. Now he's grown up. Why won't you?
Shame that Obama is probably going to win which means all your boasts are laughably useless.
News Flash: Joe Lieberman wants nothing to do with you....MORON!
Jerko?....Jerko...You're kidding me, right? I mean, I know you've stooped pretty low in the past, but calling someone a "jerko"? You've definitely hit rock bottom, Jack.
This is the end for you, buddy. Enjoy disbarment.
Game on, brothers and sisters.
You can take the lawyer out of the delusional sociopath, but you can't take the delusional... out of... the Fry Cook... wait I think I messed that up...
The point is, Thompson, you're a delusional sociopath.
Still, Palin is like the perfect candidate to latch onto for him. She's such a devout Christian/Sheeple, that she thinks dinosaurs existed 4,000 years ago, and she's utterly clueless on what the real issues are. It's a fucking match made in heaven.
-"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
Awww, Jack Thompson is such a doll when he comes here to give us the latest BS on he rules and we suck..I thought Ezk or whoever promised to never have a creep like him come here,But then again everyone needs a whole heartly laugh..I doubt Gvr.Sarah would give a flying pancake about what Mr.Erectile Dsyfunction has to say.
I think the biggest news about this is that Jackhole didn't sign his letter with "Attorney".
Good going Jackie.
-- http://pixelantes.blogspot.com/
I don't sign my letters as an "Attorney." Never have. It's in the letterhead, goofball. I'm still an attorney, and you're not.
Not for long, Jacko...14 days and counting....TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK.....
Dear Jackhole,
You seriously bragging about being an attorney when you've got 14 days until you're no longer going to be one? I would get some treatment for your delusions, if I were you.
PS. I'm still sane, and you're not.
-- http://pixelantes.blogspot.com/
Hi, jack, I'm a civilian and not an attorney... AND SO ARE YOU
...How'd you fix the icing problem?
I'm using that line from Iron Man any time someone tells me they or something of theirs is better than me or something of mine. In case you haven't seen it, early in the film Iron Man discovered that when he tried to fly at high altitudes, his armor would ice over and fail due to the low temperatures. He corrected the problem with his next iteration of the armor.
The line itself is used by Iron Man, who leads Iron Monger into those high altitudes during the climax. When Monger does catch up to him, he claims that his armor is better than Iron Man's in every way, prompting Iron Man's question: "How'd you fix the icing problem?" Monger's suit then ices over and fails, sending him hurtling back to Earth as Iron Man continues to hover.
That's the situation here. You're claiming that you're a better person than any one of us because you're an attorney, and we're not. We, however, have already discovered what happens when one acts the way you do: bad things happen, and they HURT. Most of us have corrected that problem--we don't act like we own the world. That has garnered us rewards; some of us are well on our way to starting promising careers while others of us are already established in them. We'd surely be out of work if we slandered our supervisors, coworkers, and/or clients.
You, on the other hand, continue to act childish and attack everyone, and have received very severe punishment for it. You're about to lose your job over it, plus you have a very hefty fine that you're going to have to pay back or face jail time. To anyone who knows who you are, your credibility is shot. Your status as an attorney is icing over, and is starting to fail.
So I ask you again, how'd you fix that problem, Mr. Attorney?
Nice reference and matching argument! Definitely an epic win on your part. Have a cookie.
Game on, brothers and sisters.
EPIC Win? YOU FAIL!!! This! Is! LEGENDARY Win!
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Oop. My apologies: it's a legendary win.
Game on, brothers and sisters.
ROFL
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Next time you write a letter,Change your occupation name from "attorney" to "Mcdonalds Cashier".
Keep it up, im in stitches.
No, sweetie, I'll be an attorney long after you overdose or drive your 1971 Ford Maverick through the front door at a Wendy's. Jack Thompson
PS: Love you!
It's so easy to wind you up, and so easy to tell when you are wound up, I bet you are thumping away at the keyboard like a love-sick teen in an AOL chat-room...
Try again, I drive a Mustang, Optima, or a 3000GT. Of course, My wife's car is far more expensive than mine (but hey, it was a gift), and we've got a minivan by chrysler (town and country or somethin like that).
Of course, you probably actually did drive a mavericak, didn't you Thompson? How did you like that piece of crap?
I seem to recall someone who was at law-school with him saying that he had a car stolen once by people he let have a test-drive. Not too certain on the accuracy of that, but just an interesting aside :)
Hey man, I lol'd.
Oh, THAT'S charming for a 50-something year old man. Could you try NOT sounding like a pedophile, please?
Oh, i'm sorry, i forget you're the only one in the country who can legally make jokes about anybody else. Wait, my bad again, you live in Thompson-Land, not reality.
*Googles '1971 Ford Maverick'*
Wow..Thats a nice looking car. Why that one Jack? Wht not a '1981 Chrystler Le Baron' or a '1986 Dodge Aris?' What made you say that car, in particular?
And overdose on what? I can come here at times and overdose on your lies. And why a Wendys? Why not a McDonalds? Or a Burger King?
Okay..Lets say I have a '1971 Ford Maverick' Thats in decent condition, and in two years, I happen to get stupid enough to 'overdose' on drugs or cheap booze and I lose control of the car and 'crash into the front door of a Wendy's' I garentee you that whatever happens to me in this 'fictional' scenario, you will not be a lawyer.
There's a reason why its called being FOREVER Disbarred. Ken Rosenberg has a better chance of becoming a lawyer again, and he's fictional.
Sucks to be you, dude. Enjoy the disbarrment and thanks yor giving me this cool car to google
Warren Lewis
The biggest Sarah Palin supporters drive Ford Mavericks. It's the Maverick Way! (tm)
If there's any reasoning at all for Wendy's (I'd personally just say "meh" to that detail), it's probably the fact that whenever ago, Wendy's Kids Meals had Wii-themed toys, and the Wii has Manhunt 2. I vaguely remember that he raised a stink about that.
goodness!
He makes Winston Payne (from Phoenix Wright) and Harvey Birdman look like the best attorney in the land!
Hey! Don't knock the Birdman! Payne I don't give two shits about, but Birdman! If he wasn't fictional, I'd want him covering my ass whenever I was involved in a criminal case.
Game on, brothers and sisters.
Guess that's better than that 1976 Ford Pinto you have in the driveway...watch your rear end....HAHAHAHA!!
Ha! It's funny, because we're gamers, and therefore must be on drugs, despite the fact that I don't even drink! Hell, I rarely even touch caffeine these days.
I might make an exception for whatever it is you're on Jack. If it can make you think you still have a career, it must be some pretty wild stuff.
I'm with you. I've never done drugs, never been drunk (although I do drink something if I'm having trouble falling asleep, just don't drink much), have quit drinking caffeine, never been arested, and top of my class through college (I got a B once in English). And yet, gaming has been central to my life since the old FF1 days (shoot I even had an old pong TV game that needed a 9V battery to play).
Basically, JT likes to think of gamers in a particular social demographic, but one that very few gamers actually fit into. But by blatently ignoring that any gamers fall outside his skewed demographic, or dismissing them as statistically insignificant, he shows how narrow his vision is.
Please compare these two factors. How many murderers played GTAIV before killing someone? How many murderers read the bible before murdering someone? I wouldn't condone banning (or even restricting the reading of) the bible, yet it seems to have been prevalent in more crimes then all videogames put together (to be fair it has been out longer).
Let's take something a little more fair. How many crimes have been linked to any game in the GTA series? Four, five? More? Now, how many of those games have sold? 25 million? 30 million? Now we are talking statistically insignificant.
Where the hell do you even get that kind of BS? Be a good kid and shut the fuck up. The adults are talking.
<shudders> Ewww...You just went from laughably pathetic to disgustingly creepy. Please try and stay in "laughably pathetic" territory, okay? It works for you.
Game on, brothers and sisters.
Who's Jack thompson?
A worthless nobody.
-- Sometimes the truth is arrived at by adding all the little lies together and deducting them from the totality of what is known
Exactly...Wait, who were we talking about?...Jack who?
Game on, brothers and sisters.
Didn't jack-o hear? Palin's e-mail isn't exactly the most secure thing. He didn't need to CC everyone, we all know how easy it is to read her e-mail.
Oh, yeah! I remember that raid!
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I am so glad my home state saw through Jack's bull$hit and didn't try to pass his piece of $hit legislation.
What state are you in, other than the state of confusion?
He's not going to tell you because you have a habit of stalking people.
Is that restraining order still in force btw?
Do you really think, FOR ONE SECOND, I'm going to tell you where I live...I'm not as dumb as you JT!
AHAHAHAHAHA!! Johnny Brucie made a funny! I guess getting up at 4:30 AM gives you plenty of time to perfect your witty retorts.
That might be funny, if there weren't, you know, several states that did see through your bullshit and overturn your "bulletproof" bills.
I am so glad my home state saw through Jack's bull$hit and didn't try to pass his piece of $hit legislation.
Me, too. Go, D--Wait a minute!...Go, Massachusetts! There! Try getting me now, Jack!
Alright, be honest - Who didn't see this coming?
~You Could Be Mine, But You're Way Out Of Line..~
By the way, Spike TV called me yesterday and asked me to participate out in LA for a show this December. If you all think I was going away because of some fascists who run a state bar here, think again. Hal Halpin, proving that a stopped clock is right twice a day, actually got it right when he said that I am not going anywhere. I'm not. It's going to get worse people, for you because of me. And that's good news for Dennis McCauley, because he really has very little to write about without me. I COMPLETE him. Show me the money, Dennis! Jacko
I think you're in love.
And yes, we all knew you wouldn't go away, but the difference is now that you are just a crazy old coot who fears everything different and, at least in a couple of weeks, won't have a law license. You'll just be another nutcase voice among those that believe Harry Potter creates witchcraft or that the Queen is a drug dealer.
I think a town in Florida is missing its crackpot...
Jesus Christ, and we were the ones obsessed about you?
Are you gay or what?
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Oh, right, Spike will give you your lisence back. And i'll grow wings out of my nose and fly to Pluto.
Okay, it is common knowledge that you don't know how the law works. But it would seem that you also have no fucking clue how the internet works as far as it relates to traffic based income.
NO
ADS
NO
INCOME
MORON
-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-
Spike TV? You do understand that they have shows about video games on that network, right? THe only thing they are going to do is harrass and abuse you. I can't wait!
The state bar said that you should legally be put to death because you didn't agree with them?
Oh, wait, that was YOU who said that about those who opposed YOU.
I guess that makes YOU the fascist.
BTW, Spike TV... even more unimpressed.
"Show me the money, Dennis!"
Ya know, that sounds awfully close to extortion, since Dennis can, and has, proven that he doesn't receive income from ads on this site.
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NW2K Software
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By the way, Spike TV called me yesterday and asked me to participate out in LA for a show this December. If you all think I was going away because of some fascists who run a state bar here, think again. Hal Halpin, proving that a stopped clock is right twice a day, actually got it right when he said that I am not going anywhere. I'm not. It's going to get worse people, for you because of me. And that's good news for Dennis McCauley, because he really has very little to write about without me. I COMPLETE him. Show me the money, Dennis! Jacko
This is the point everyone else has been making from the beginning -- you're just in it for the money. You don't really care about "the children." You only care about "your wallet."
You might not be going anywhere, but I highly doubt people will be listening to you anymore. They'll just see you as a bug on the windshield.
"You might not be going anywhere, but I highly doubt people will be listening to you anymore. They'll just see you as a bug on the windshield."
*clicks on the windshield wipers*
-- "Jack and listen are two words that don't go together...just like Jack and sanity, Jack and truth, Jack and proof, Jack and win..." -- sortableturnip | http://www.orangeloungeradio.com/
No! You'll just smear him all over the windshield! First, washer fluid; then, windshield wipers.
Game on, brothers and sisters.
See now you just sound like a gay terrorist, and you mispelled i believe it's spelled Jackhole.
Jack,
I've said it many times before, but I know things don't sink in with you... Ever... Some sort of long term memory loss I'm guessing, so I'll say it again...
You are irrelevant.
"Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."
What, you called Unsolved Mysteries because you found the chupacabra?
Back in Black from a forced hiatus by Hurricane Gustav.
You do realize that Spike is the embodiment of pretty much everything you've ever fought against, right Jack? They're all about boobs, explosions, and fast cars. And the video game "award" show to which you've been invited is widely considered the joke of the industry. Hey, you've got something in common after all.
So I would actually feel pity for you on account of the lambasting you're about to receive on Spike, or by those who view it, but since you are incapable of feeling pity, remorse, guilt, shame, or any of a number of other emotions, I won't bother.
.....Oh, my God. Jack, you just went from being the creepy old pedophile who lives down the street to a combination of Jason Voorhees without the Herculean strength and every amoral business person who cares only about their wallets. You..you're almost not even worth it anymore...
Game on, brothers and sisters.
Well he does have only 2 weeks to get rid of all these "Jack Thompson, Attorney" letterheads he's got left before they go to waste.
Nope, I'll be an attorney after October 25. Once again: Did Dennis McCauley not report that here?
Jack Thompson, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney,
And once again, Jack proves his mental age is is a fraction of his shoe-size.
Who do you think you're kidding?
This is an honest question.
Good to see the spirit of reasoned debate is alive and well in the Florida Bar.
Neil, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer, Game Developer.
XD
I swear, if I wasn't already gonna change my sig (so he's no longer referenced) after the 25th, I'd have quoted that last post of his in it instead... :P
-- "Jack and listen are two words that don't go together...just like Jack and sanity, Jack and truth, Jack and proof, Jack and win..." -- sortableturnip | http://www.orangeloungeradio.com/
Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Deve- *gets shot*
John Player,Player,Player *Ducks the shuriken and runs off*
Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.
I seriously doubt this is Jack. He is an immature twat, but this sadly...ummm is worse than his usual.
I'm pretty sure it's him to be honest, he's done this before.
This is the same man that said that all gamers at GP should get the death penalty....it's him alright.
And just what sets this apart from the mountain of times that you claimed victory only to have it blow up in your face? Taking inventory of fowl before they have hatched comes to mind.
-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-
"Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney, Attorney,"
Really?
.... Really??
If you're so much above us, john, then why do you waste your time with us? hell, why do you even visit this site at all? You're like a 5 year old child screaming "look at me! look at me! All the while people are slowly losing interest in you. Get over yourself. Even if you have some miraculous plan to save your licence, No one will care by then.
You're washed up. No one even really cares that you're still an attorney, and no one will care if you somehow save yourself.
No, you won't.
Nope, I'll be an attorney after October 25.
right seriously... everyone STOP.. Jack are you reading?
can we ABSOLUTELY 100% QUOTE you on that? because I CANT WAIT TO RUB THAT IN YOUR ARROGANT DELUSIONAL FACE WHEN OCT 25th COMES!
so far approximately.... ohh.. around *looks up figures* err.. *does calculations* hmm.. yeah.. 0 %, i repeat, 0%, THATS ZERO PERCENT, of your predictions have come true.. soo... what outcome should we put money on?
You are like a soothsayer from an alternate backward universe. The EXACT OPPOSITE of everything you say comes true.
what? no reply Jack?
Shame you always back out when faced with a truth you cant lie, squirm, and decieve your way out of.
I'd wait until AFTER Oct 25, when he gets hit with the bigger reality brick. Because you know he will either 1) get slapped with the biggest First Amendment infringement suit in American history or 2) get smacked across the cheeks when he tries the old "big bad lawyer gonna get you!" stunt under the false notion that "I'm still an attorney! I'm not disbarred! I CAN'T be disbarred! I'M INVINCIBLE!!"
Because you know at least one of those is going to happen. Either way, I see federal prison in Jack's future.
NOBODY'S gonna want anything to do with him then. Who's gonna take the word of a convicted felon?
You end sentences with a full stop, not a comma.
Nope, I'll be an attorney after October 25. Once again: Did Dennis McCauley not report that here?
he doesn't report falsehoods
岩「…Ace beats Jack」
Report what?
A google news search of "Jack Thompson" (no quotes) came up with, in order:
2 stories about the letter this article references - one from the Miani New Times that was not complimentary to you, Mr. Thompson.
1 story about your disbarrment.
1 false positive concerning football players
1 more story about your disbarrment.
1 false positive about oil.
The ECA story about you.
An Australian story (from the 30th of last month) about how you won't fight the disbarrment in Florida. (Interesting, will read.)
1 false positive about tennis.
If there's something that Dennis hasn't reported, could it just be because nobody other than you knows about it? Is it possible that there is no story, and you're just trying to keep your name out there for a few more days?
why are you acting like a 5 year old brat? is this as far as your "proffesionalism" can go?
Holy crap he's become a /b/ tard.
Just in case he isn't... YET, I'll keep an eye on the place JUST IN CASE.
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Ironically, there was a picture of him "there" this morning. It was a demotivational poster with the picture of him hanging onto a pole, with a caption "Jack Thompson - so disbarred he can't practice the law of gravity".
Of course I saved it. I have a whole folder of demotivational posters that make me laugh.
......And now you've become the spoiled little brat from down at the other side of the street. Face it, Thompson: you're through.
Game on, brothers and sisters.
Spike TV is for real men jacko, Not old "douchebag" geezers like yourself, I feel ashamed living in the same state as this guy.
@ GoliathWon
GP gonna kick him out the door again?
I wonder what would happen if I used my forum username here..
~You Could Be Mine, But You're Way Out Of Line..~
What, is he counting every minute of 60 Minutes for each appearance? Or just the number of TV stations the show has aired on?
Either way, I don't see it adding up to 200, even when you include the other (non-public access) shows he's been on.
Chris 'coldacid' Charabaruk <coldacid.net>
IGDA Indie SIG Coordinator, Programmer, Designer
Awwww look, it is Jack milking his last 1 minute of his 15 minutes of fame.
Wow in my opinion the crackpot wants to hog a little bit of the spotlight before it flickers out. Jack, do yourself a favor. Go and be a good father for once, and stop harassing others. Quit lying too, it doesn't make you look good...never did actually. More and more you are looking even more ridiculous and scummy, you ex-ambulence/massacre chaser. By the way, it seems to me you are still suffering narcassistic personality disorder, you might want to check into that...
James Fletcher, not an attorney but neither is Jack in a couple of weeks.
ps: Enjoy your disbarrment, jackass! Love you :)
Hahaha Jack, a large of portion M-rated games bought for children are by their parents( don't have anything to back it up right now but I remember some stats. Look for em'). Even if you ban M-rated sales to underage teeenagers, many of their parents will still buy it for them. Parental education is the key, and even then if the parents let their kids play M-rated games then so be it.
Explain why my town of East Lansing has a much lower crime rate than Inner Lansing when kids here all can afford video games(violent ones too) while many kids there won't have money for that. That's right Jack, poverty and many other factors affect how teenagers grow and behave. Video games are not one of them.
Somebody ban the jackass.
--- Official Protector of Videoland!
No don't! Please?
~You Could Be Mine, But You're Way Out Of Line..~
SECONDED!!! I NEED MY 1U1Z!!!
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I AM DOOMED TO HAUNT JACK THOMPSON'S DREAMS UNTIL HIS CRUSADE AGAINST VIDEO GAMES ENDS.
'Columbine times ten is on the way. '
HAHAH yeah right.. anyone seen team america????
reminds me of the line, 'itll be 9/11 times a thousand.. yes.. thats right..nine hundred and 11 thousand'
JT is totally quackers.
A number of reliable polls prove that 70% of the American people want a federal law prohibiting the sale of adult video games to minors.
Cite your references or it didn't happen, Jack.
---- There is a limit for both politicians against video games, and video games against politicians. http://www.goteamretard.com
I'm just glad the state of Fl., which I thankfully live up in Panama City FAR from Jack, has come to it senses and is righting the wrong of giving this nutcase a license to practice law in the first place.
Jeremy Powers, aka Zen
Those 70% are just too damn lazy to look after their own kids so they want the government to.
Amen; parents need to look after their children, and stop whining about "violent videogames".
"That which does not kill me strengthens me." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Poor fool, he makes me laugh ..." Il Muto, Phantom of the Opera
Foaming Nutcase to one side, the idea of regulating only games in the US would be pretty stupid right now anyway, and Congress knows that, by alienating the entire IT sector, you push them into other countries like Canada, the UK etc, where games may be regulated, but they aren't victimised. Right now, the very last thing the US needs to be doing is pushing its profit-making enterprises offshore, they've got enough financial problems, without deliberately creating more.
Whilst I, as a UK citizen, would welcome the increased revenue and jobs from the games companies that the US would alienate by doing this, I'm pretty sure that our US posters would feel, and vote, otherwise about losing that revenue and employment.
So even if it was a plausible idea, which it isn't, it still wouldn't happen.
This story is choked full of pure awesome sauce! Go-Jack-go!
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"The most difficult pain a man can suffer is to have knowledge of much and power over little" - Herodotus
And she would take the advice of a soon-to-be-former attorney why? I mean the presidential candidates have millions in funding and focus groups of "average" americans and town hall meetings and, guess what....violent games have never been asked about, violent media in general isn't being covered, maybe because the economic meltdown is just slightly more important to someone than whether timmy has been killing zombies in a game his parents bought him without reading the box, I know shocking, how could a kid get hold of a violent game unless buying it himself? I mean all the kids I know get 60 bucks whenever they want from their parents or their parents give them their credit cards without being present. Educating the parents is the key, without their help Jack, your bills won't do, well, Jack.