EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

October 15, 2008 -

Over at Gamasutra, Leigh Alexander serves up a revealing interview with John Riccitiello.

The Electronic Arts CEO dishes on the Spore DRM controversy, EA's abortive merger attempt with Take-Two, and EA's reputation in the gaming community.

Most noteworthy are Riccitiello's comments on the furor whipped up by Spore's much-maligned copy protection scheme:

I personally hate DRM. I don’t like the whole concept; it can be a little bit cumbersome. But I don’t like locks on my door, and I don’t like to use keys in my car... I’d like to live in a world where there are no passports. Unfortunately, we don’t – and I think the vast majority of people voted with their wallets and went out and bought Spore...

 

Everyone gets that we need some level of protection, or we’re going to be in business for free... [But it was] a minority of [anti-DRM] people that orchestrated a great PR program. They picked the highest-profile game they could find. I respect them for the success of their movement.

I'm guessing that half of them were pirates, and the other half were people caught up in something that they didn’t understand. If I’d had a chance to have a conversation with them, they’d have gotten it... There are different ways to do DRM; the most successful is what WoW does. They just charge you by the month.
 


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Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

What kind of idiot doesn't like locks on their doors?

I'm not sure what the correct analogy is here if Spore taught me how to pirate games.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

"Everyone gets that we need some level of protection, or we’re going to be in business for free..."

Instead of putting billions of dollars into screwing honest, paying customers, how about securing customers from being suckered into buying full price products that crash, or otherwise is un-usable. (including bad UI or not tested for balance).

Anyone promoting DRM is so far up their ass, that they can't even see how the customers are being treated. Would you buy a toaster that you could only use 500 times. Would you buy it, if it would stop working if the company went out of business? Ofcourse not.

I do understand why people use pirated programs. It's a simple equation called the Market. Provide a service(or product) at a price people are willing to pay and you have a deal. It's as simple as that.

 

I would never... ever... buy a game that had DRM or Starforce. ( f you read some FAQs you'll see that they have a tendency to screw the system over... even hardware can be destroyed. (And no, I'm not providing a source. JFGI, ffs.)


 

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"I'm guessing that half of them were pirates, and the other half were people caught up in something that they didn’t understand."

"Everyone who disagrees with me is either stupid or dishonest!"  You know, I don't recall hearing that one on my high school debate team.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

The best motivational poster I have seen in some time.

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Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

nice

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

So you hate DRM too then John. Good to have you on our side! Oh wait. Why do you then still use DRM on your products? Oh well, you are not the one buying it so who cares right?

Also, like people have said, why would a pirate complain about the DRM when they have no DRM to worry about? It's your potential customers that are complaining, idiot. I know I won't buy (or pirate) any game with these kind of silly restrictions. It really doesn't matter how many times you can install the game etc it's just that there's a fucking limit in the first place.

EA CEO: the other half of Spore protesters can eat shit.

 Basically, that's what he's saying.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

 

I bought Crysis, I loved it, and still do.  I bought Mass Effect, both for my X-Box 360 and my PC.  I did not buy Spore.  I will not buy Spore, unless they bring it down to budget price and throw in some stuff to really sweeten the pot (maybe another game, some expansions, cake, Belgium?). Mass Effect was the turning point for me.  I showed up for a midnight release party for both copies.  I bought my copy, had some fun, and then went home.  For dedication in buying my second copy of this game, the company that I bought it from, decided that I didn’t deserve to use it (an insult right up there with slapping me across the face).

I installed the game, and then the DRM refused to allow my computer to run it, because I wasn’t connected to the Internet.  Ok, fine.  I waited for the weekend to end, and my Internet to be reconnected.  So, Monday rolls around, and I connect to the Internet.  At which point I was refused entry, and the DRM said that I had already installed my game all of the times it would allow.  So I called them up, 10 Am on a Monday morning, and my day off.  I thought I would have this all sorted out by noon so that I could grab some lunch, play a little Mass Effect, then maybe a little WoW, then go to sleep and wake up early the next day for work.  4 Hours later, I am still on hold.  Another 2, and they finally seemed to remember that I was actually still sitting there.

So I get my game unlocked.  I install, and everything seems great.  However, the next week, my friends surprise me with new equipment for my PC (New motherboard, graphics card, ram, cpu, and case). The works.  Well, I get it all up and running again... only to have Mass Effect slap me around again.  So, again, i spend 3 hours on hold (Not as much time that day, guess that the money pit swimming lessons ended early).  I get verbally pocked and prodded by 4 different employees, each one getting into more and more invasive before I insist on a transfer.  After number 4, I had a loud cursing match with the man on the other end of the line, before hanging up.  I have not played Mass Effect since.

The fact of the matter, is that DRM only does 3 things:

1: Challenge any and all Hackers to break your game. (Say that you have the best of anything, and someone will challenge you).

2: Punish those of us who normally pay for your games. (Don't try to sprinkle sugar on s**t and call it candy).

3: Push those on the fence toward the side of Pirates.  (Why be punished for paying money?  Why not, instead, not be punished and not pay money?)


Ladies and Gentlemen at EA, I have only one suggestion for you.  It will solve all of your problems.  Fire you CEO (Seriously, tell him to pack his office, and that he needs to be off the premises by the end of the day).  Then, take all that money that you would normally pay him, and put that towards making a DRM that doesn’t punish LEGITIMENT buyers.

Until then ladies and gentlemen,
Goodnight, and good luck.


"We do not hear debates about teaching whether the holocausts happened or did not in history classes, so why should we even entertain the notion for Intelligent Design?"

 

"If you really want to enslave people, tell them you are going to give them Total Freedom." - L. Ron Hubbard

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

 Here's my bottom line:  When people have to download cracks/hacks/third party workarounds to get the software that they LEGALLAY BOUGHT to work, the DRM is fucking broken.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

If DRM is a lock, then I'm kicking the fucking door down. I paid for Spore, found out it had DRM, and downloaded the DRM-free version (what you call piracy). If you ask me, that's fair use.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

If this is the guy in charge of EA, they're doomed.

If you go crazy then I will still call you Superman.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Why would the pirates be complaining about DRM? I thought they already hacked the game and got past it...

 

-Remember kids, personal responsibility is for losers! Jack Thompson is still a dick...

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

So without any sort of data he just dismisses the protests as being from infringers? Ok, let's say half are from copyright infringers. Of this group, how many did the Spore DRM push to infringement?

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I hate having to lock my door too. But locking my door protects my property. What securom is doing is like the maker of my garbage disposal going in my house and changing my locks without my permission, so I can't get to my stuff. On another thread at the Sims2 site, I calculated that I have spent over $1700 on Sims, Sims2, and a new computer with extras that I had to buy separate (like a video card). Then when I tried to play my dvd rw gives me a message that I do not have the original disc in and I need to insert the original disc. That's all I had was the original disc. After a month or so of that my computer stopped recognizing my dvd rw. I pulled an old one out of my old computer and luckily (because it is stuck on region 2 dvd) Securom has not been able to kill it too.

If I wanted to play WoW, I would, but I don't see leveling up just so I can fight the same creatures at level 40 that I fought at level 2. Waste of time. Plus I do not believe in paying rent on a game. If I can't buy it straight out. I don't want it. I do not subscribe to any online service (besides my isp) that I have to pay a monthly fee for. I cannot afford it.

If this securom is to prevent pirating why is Spore the most pirated game online? The only ones being thwarted by securom are the legal purchasers of the game. Come see me dude. We can sit down at the dining table with some iced tea and have a long intellectual conversation on it.  Put up or Shut up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

So I sent the follow email to johnriccitiell@ea.com ceo@ea.com and support@ea.com.

Doubt it will be read by anyone but it made me feel a little better.

On a related note the physical address for EALA is gone from the EA website.

If I still have it from my snail mail letter over Mass Effect I'll send this that way as well.

Nothing like running into a wall over and over again to make you feel alive.

 

 

 

 

 

"To CEO John Riccitiello

You are an unbelievable son-of-a-bitch. You've probably stopped reading now so what comes next doesn't really matter. Your comments in this Gamasutra.com interview (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20655) are without a doubt the biggest slap in the face you could have thrown at your customers. You know the ones who keep EA is business. I personally did not buy Spore nor did I pirate it. The ridiculous amount of problems I experienced with SecuROM 7 from my LEGALLY purchased copy of Bioshock convinced me to never let this “malware” on my system ever again.

The fact that pirates have a hassle free copy of both these games goes against your assessments.

As far as I'm concerned Spore and for that matter anything that comes from EA since May 2008 deserves all the bad publicity they receive. You should be very aware that it was the inclusion of SecuROM 7 on your games which prompted these outcries not the other way around or any sideways angle you try to look at it.

Understand, your rhetoric is not fooling a large portion of game hobbyists. It is obvious you are attempting to kill the second-hand market. We will not stand for this. You are the enemy of this past-time. We will not suffer you."

 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hookers and Ice Cream aren't free. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/stolen-pixels/5137-...

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Mr. Alexander half of the dead bodies in your basement are little children...

what is that you say? there are no dead bodies in your basement?

well there aren't any pirates that had ANY problems with the DRM so my statement has more basis in fact than yours(Mine:0/2 is a # Yours:millions/0 is not)... unless you actually have dead bodies in your basement and more then half aren't children...

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

We know what DRM is really for, to prevent used game sales.  I can stand a system that makes sure you can only use a cd on one computer(like steam).  Having the cd in the drive is a decent enough sacrifice.  However, not letting you get as many installs as you want is stupid.  Heck if I wanna sell or let friends borrow it then it becomes a problem.  AS for John Riccitiello, he is being a cocky bastard that will make sure that all EA titles shall come through GAmefly and not with my money. 

 

HE know's what DRM is about, it's about preventing used sales not piracy.  It can't prevent piracy which is shown by the torrent sites. 

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

We know what DRM is really for, to prevent used game sales.  I can stand a system that makes sure you can only use a cd on one computer(like steam).

Aren't Steam games bound to the Steam account, an account, which, per the Steam subscriber agreement, may not be sold?

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

As an aside, is it me, or does he look like Alan B'Stard from The New Statesman in that pic?

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

The part I found personally interesting was the bit about :

"There are different ways to do DRM; the most successful is what WoW does. They just charge you by the month."
 

WoW has monthly charges because it is a MMORPG, is he claiming that Spore is as well?  Is that what EA is shooting for, charging by the month to play their retail (none massively mutli-player based) games?   BTW I would like to borrow your crystal ball there John that lets them see that half of the people complaining are pirates.  Tell me oh great and wise one, why would pirates protest the DRM on a title they have already hacked?   

Oh and news flash for you bubby, Mass Effect (PC) is a bit bigger than Spore so if they were going to pick the highest-profile title... um I think you can figure the rest for yourself.  Go vent and whine elsewhere.  You are making your company look bad.... and with EA that takes work. 

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

You wanted to talk to me? One of those people that are dead set against your DRM policies right now, yes? Let's talk.

 

First item of business: Activation Limits.

Activation limits are something that I, as a consumer paying full price for the product, will not tolerate. I have not ever enjoyed the feeling of a large axe over my head just waiting to cut my access to the game that I paid for. This is because the game is advertised by EA and other publishers as a purchase of the game (read: not a purchase of the license). I use more than 21 different machines. I work at a Cyber Cafe, where we have a legal executed agreement with EA through iGames. Your activation limits make it unpractical to install your newer software on our systems anymore.

 

Second item of business: SecuROM

My opinions of SecuROM have been changing over the past couple of months. While I hate it with a passion, I can begrugingly accept it if it were to follow a couple key rules. First, no activation limits. Second, the process UAService7.exe (or any other similar service) would shut down after the game has been completed. Third, it would be uninstalled automatically by the installer when I'm done with your product.

 

Third item of business: Consume Right to One Archival Backup

Where is my right to my one archival backup? Why do you feel that it is "illegal" (granted the DMCA now creates a conflict of the laws) for me, a person who has paid EA to not protect my investment. $50 is a lot of money (hell, $60 soon) for a middle-class and lower-class American to put out there, especially with PC prices, and console prices.

 

Fourth item of business: Game Quality

Could you do me a favor, and look into why Need for Speed: Carbon was billed as a full game, instead of an expansion to Need For Speed: Most Wanted please? Seriously, EA had a bout of terrible games coming out last year and the year before, which gave EA it's reputation for just putting out the same thing every year. Granted this year it looks much better with fresh IPs like Mirror's Edge, Warhammer Online and such, but again, the game quality needs to go up if EA's logo will be on it.

Let's consider SPORE. In 2005 it was a game I was deathly excited for. Procedural animations, procedural attacks, mating, use of weaponry, building designs, and exploration. However the product we have this year in 2008 is best described as watered down. Levels were cut, the procedural stuff was completely removed in exchange for an animation set that makes things look rediculous. That on top of the DRM is why people are reacting like they are. It isn't what we wanted. It's a different game with the same name. 

As far as the claim that a monthly fee should be charged for access to EA Games, you can bet yourself that it won't work. Why? Becuase people wouldn't adapt well to it. We are already fighting the adaptation of invasive DRM, adding the "monthly charge" you are musing about will only compound the problems, and damage the already periously dangerous reputation EA has.

 

---- There is a limit for both politicians against video games, and video games against politicians. http://www.goteamretard.com

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

John Riccitiello Said:

"I'm guessing that half of them were pirates, and the other half were people caught up in something that they didn’t understand. If I’d had a chance to have a conversation with them, they’d have gotten it... There are different ways to do DRM; the most successful is what WoW does. They just charge you by the month."

Before we start, the rant de jour, I would like  to point out the word in the above quote, that is in bold. That is the word 'guessing' That will be the word of the rant. Much like Pee Wee's Playhouse, but we won't cheer every time I say it.

Now, Mr. John Riccitiello is guessing that half that are complaining are pirates. That would come to the fact that he does NOT KNOW that half are pirates. I know from reading the complaints on Amazon, that they come from people who have purchaced the copy through legal means, and have installed the game along with the Secu-ROM. These people not have only 3-5 installs to work with before having calling and begging and then purchasing more, but the DRM on their computers disable drives and wreck havock on them. The ones getting the pirated copies don't have the said DRM problem. They arn't putting something 'extra' on their system that hijacks it. Even if 'half are pirates' then I'll be 'guessing' half of those pirates are downloading it becuase they don't want that crap on their computers. It seems the ones who are buying this with their hard earned money get treated like criminals, and some have to go by other means to get the stupid thing to install or even play.

 Now, look at the phrase in the quote that is in italiacs. 'If I’d had a chance to have a conversation with them, they’d have gotten it...'

Please, Mr.John Riccitiello, By ALL MEANS, Do explain.

My Aunt is one of THE biggest Sim's fans I know. She bought them all The regular Sims. Sims 2, and ALL of the expansion packs, and thanks to the DRM, she has to uninstall and reinstall The Sims 2 and various expansion packs over a total of a hundred times. The DRM installed with it killed her DVD-RW Drive. I got my Secu-Rom problems through the PC version of GTA: San Andereas. I'm willing to BET you that the upcomming GTAIV for the PC will be the same way. The same DRM as SPORE, if not an upgraded copy that does EVEN MORE DAMAGE! This is why I am not a PC gamer. 

Now, as far as know, the compareson to the DRM that Blizzard uses for World of Warcraft, you can install and uninstall it without any install limits. I do not know if it comes with Secru-rom, If any do please let me know. Also, World of Warcraft, while has no install limits, you need a subscription to play. SPORE, to my knowlage is not a suscribe to play game, therefore cannot be compared

As far as explaining, leave me and my Aunt a number, and we'll give you a call. Make us understand.

 - Warren Lewis

Consumer responsibility is just as important as Corporate responsibility. So, be responsible consumers.

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My gripe is the 3-install limit. To get more you have to contact the company, and even then its been fairly limited. Now then, let me explain why 3 installs is annoying to me, using a certain EA game itself as an example: I bought Mass Effect for the PC since I don't own a 360 as I'm not a fan of the 360 controller style (possibly due to years of using the PS controller, I'll admit). Bear in mind I'm not bashing the console for hardware issues or anything, that's not my point. I tried to install Mass Effect on my PC. I needed to reinstall. That's 2 installs down. Now, my PC is due for an upgrade next year. If I want to play Mass Effect on that PC and it doesn't istall properly the first time, I could seriously be screwed. The average game, in my opinion, needs to account for a user with minium 2 computer platforms and multiple installs for each in light of viruses and such. The max installs thus, in my eyes, should be at least 10, but I still feel like shelling out 60 bucks for a new game that has limited uses is insane. Don't carry over MMO practices to regular PC games, there's a reason why a lot of people don't play MMOs.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

So his sales were good?  So what?

Last I checked the DRM was hidden and downplayed in ALL of the written material included with Spore.  The truth is it made gamers like me choose to not pirate or purchase EA games.  On top of that I've influenced MANY parents here at my office regarding EA and their tyraid with DRM.  The fact is EA and RIAA have the same, outdated policies, but what does that matter now?  Now the United States gov't is going to do their bidding for us. Wooo!  Yay!  So now I can pay taxes to per persecuted if I want to load a game more than 5 times on my PC.  Awesome.

Someone needs to slap these guys with a fat lawsuit since that's the only thing they seem to understand.

"Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

"Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

I love the guy's quote from a recent conference.

"We chose a particularly aggressive form of DRM, which 99.8 percent of consumers would never notice, but that two-tenths of one percent got incredibly focused and formed an online PR cabal," he said. "We can eliminate piracy by essentially blocking the online service from the pirate." Riccitiello called it "the future of DRM," one we hope will be more adept at distinguishing between the consumers and the criminals." -John Riccitiello

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Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

John Riccitiello:

"I'm guessing that half of them were pirates, and the other half were people caught up in something that they didn’t understand."

So; either we are criminals or idiots? Screw you, you EA douchebag!

-ConstantNeophyte: always the newb, ALWAYS.

-ConstantNeophyte: always the newb, ALWAYS.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

You know maybe its just me, but I can lock and unlock the lock on my house or car more than five times before I lose acdess to it forever.  And if I get locked out of MY house I will get a locksmith to let me back in.  Ergo if I would decide to install a DRM laden game I bought with my money more than 5 times I would also get a "locksmith", otherwise known as a crack.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

I just want to say that this guy is such a greedy WANKER.

~You Could Be Mine, But You're Way Out Of Line..~

~You Could Be Mine, But You're Way Out Of Line..~

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

So, wait, the most effective form of DRM is the one that would make EA the most money...

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

what's EA's corporate number.  i have a phone call to make.

Here are we -- and yonder yawns the universe.

Here are we -- and yonder yawns the universe.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Try the consumerist, they probably have a number or email address you can use. They are great at obtaining things like that.


Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

It's so much easier to just write off everyone who hates the overly restrictive DRM as criminals. After all, who cares what a criminal thinks? But ironically enough, the pirates didn't have a problem with the DRM. It was completely transparent to them.

The pirates got the game as it was designed to be (or nearly so, at least), without introducing questionable software onto their machine. Nor did the pirates have any sort of install restrictions. So why would they complain about the DRM? Oh, right, unless you mean all of those potentially legitimite customers who decided to pirate the game rather than support a company that considers and treats its customers as criminals.

Ironically, what he's actually saying is that half of the DRM protesters decided that they would rather pirate the game than pay money for an inferior version. Unfortunately, I seriously doubt that he will even begin to realize unintentional logic in his own words.

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Didn't pirate Spore, Didn't buy Spore but by the above statement I must be an idiot since I just obviously don't get it.  But that's ok since I am an idiot I won't buy Dead Space because obviously the game is to beyond me, nor will I buy Mass Effect, Dragon Age Origins, Crysis, or any other game Ea produces from now on.  After all I don't want you to waste your hard earned work on me.  Maybe when after you are sued into oblivion for infriging another persons work and for isntalling SecuRom on my machine without my permission (thanks BioShock) you may realize that the idiot is the person looking back at you in the mirror.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

yeah... heheh

"I'm guessing that half of them were pirates,"

What about the other half then? They were POTENTIAL customers you pissed off. Take that to your investors - tell them out of 'x' number half were pirates and the other half were potential customers you chased away with DRM.

Now tell them the 'pirates' have cracked copies out there they are playing. You wouldn't have made a dime from them anyway.

But what of the other half?

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Didn't you see? The other half of the protestors were idiots who didn't understand what they were protesting. Where does that leave those of us who protested because we knew what the DRM was?

I also love his comment about being in business for free without the "protection" DRM supposedly offers. Is Stardock in business for free? Nope. Case closed.

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I have to agree with the rest of you. Riccitiello is utterly clueless about DRM. I've actually given up on EA games at this point. When they come to their senses again and stop punishing their paying customers I may consider handing them some money again. Until that day though, there are pleanty of game developers like Bethedsa and Stardock who "get it" and will also get my money.

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No, I'm not a pirate, nor do I "not understand". I voted with my wallet and refused to buy Spore because of the DRM. If your DRM was a lock, it'd be a broken lock that made it more difficult for me to get into my house, but let anyone that cared to easily jigger the lock open. And that broke the door so that even if I replaced the lock people could still get in unless I replaced the door and the door frame.

-Gray17

-Gray17

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Yeah - could you imagine a lock or a passport that would disable itself and require you to call customer service to gain access to? How 'useful' would that be?

I bet it would be a popular item indeed!!

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"There are different ways to do DRM; the most successful is what WoW does. They just charge you by the month"

Yeah, that's working great. I didn't pay for wow, and i dont play wow on an official server. Yeah, WOW's a great model for comparison.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

 That's isn't even a form of DRM to begin with, WoW charges for updates, server maintenence and further support for the game. Charging every month is in no way meant to be DRM for the game.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Charging every month is in no way meant to be DRM for the game.

Even if it isn't meant to be protection from piracy (and I don't really believe, you would be in a position to know that), it still is.

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Do you enjoy being an ass?  Really?  Because so far in this thread all I see is you being a complete and total jackass to everyone here.  Who the fuck nominated you to be the jackass god of GP?

On a somewhat more intelligent note, Blizzard actually subscribes more to the DLC model than the DRM model.  They regularly produce content updates and the like, and that is a large contributor to the fact less people pirate their game.  Also, a very large part of WoW is the social interaction, which again provides a sort of check on piracy:  Since you need to have a private server, the ability to interact with large numbers of people is lost.

The charging every month aspect of WoW is a very minor part of the piracy protection involved in the game, and most of the anti-piracy stuff in the game isn't punishment for piracy, but rewards for not doing so.  Which is precisely what game publishers *should* do, if they weren't lazy.

-- Sometimes the truth is arrived at by adding all the little lies together and deducting them from the totality of what is known

-- Sometimes the truth is arrived at by adding all the little lies together and deducting them from the totality of what is known

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There's nothing wrong with someone giving another opinion. Resorting to name calling makes you look bad however. Alejar just finds it hard to believe since nothing has happened to him yet. Hopefully he stays lucky and doesn't have to deal with the bad aspects of DRM. 

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Really?  Go read the rest of his comments.  Are you really going to tell me that it's ok for me to trash everyone else on the thread and expect to not get called on it?  And instead of actually reading his comments and forming your own opinion, you call me out for expecting some modicum of respect for other peoples' opinions from him.

Right....

-- Sometimes the truth is arrived at by adding all the little lies together and deducting them from the totality of what is known

-- Sometimes the truth is arrived at by adding all the little lies together and deducting them from the totality of what is known

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Do you enjoy being an ass?  Really?  Because so far in this thread all I see is you being a complete and total jackass to everyone here.  Who the fuck nominated you to be the jackass god of GP?

Oh, the irony...

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Yes, Warcraft III's DRM was close to non-existant. A CD check I suppose, I got a NO-CD 'patch' for it long ago, but I own it and the expansion. I was happy to run out and buy Warcraft III when it first came out. Unlike my SIMS2 CD's - my Warcraft CD is in perfect conditition. It's been used maybe twice. Heck, I reload my PC, double click on War3.exe and it runs - UNLIKE MOST EA GAMES.

Hey Mr. Genius CEO - when Starcraft 2 comes out, I will walk right past all of the EA games, (I don't care WHAT games EA has out) and go right to Starcraft 2, and purchase it without a second thought at all, if I don't pre-order it. Blizzard's NEVER had DRM that required me to re-install the game or troubleshoot issues *with the DRM itself*. So I won't even bat an eye at buying a Blizzard game.

I'm still majorly on the fence as to buying the SIMS2 expansion. Not because of Money, Not because of Content, but because I don't want to have to deal with Hassles on the Install.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Maybe he should get someone in his company higher up than him to explain to him how DRM causes normal customers to become pirates?

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

One problem though. He's CEO. That's pretty much the highest you can get, or at least one of the highest. For the most part, there is no one higher, at least with the interested to explain it to him.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

LOL, how arrogant.

"I'm guessing that half of them were pirates, and the other half were people caught up in something that they didn’t understand. If I’d had a chance to have a conversation with them, they’d have gotten it..."

Perhaps he is the one that doesn't understand.

Understand this EA - there's a 'value' in a product. DRM - particularly draconian DRM, takes away from the value significantly.

So - I'm glad some people bought your product. Others - like myself are wholly uninterested in Spore, even if it was DRM free, it's not my kind of game. But if it was a game I was interested in; DRM is a perfectly legitimate concern.

You know pal - if I had to replace the lock on my car once I replace the battery three times, or the radio if I replaced the battery three times - guess I would seriously consider NOT going with that brand of lock again.

When I buy something - I want *it* to offer flexibility to fit to MY needs. *I* don't want to be flexible to meet *your* company's needs.

Maybe he would like getting a new passport everytime he flys on three different airlines - that's a personal choice, but not one I would make.

 
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Andrew EisenSleaker - Uh, yeah. Obviously.09/01/2014 - 8:20pm
Sleaker@AE - exclusives do not a console business make.09/01/2014 - 8:03pm
Papa MidnightI find it disappointing that, despite the presence of a snopes article and multiple articles countering it, people are still spreading a fake news story about a "SWATter" being sentenced to X (because the number seems to keep changing) years in prison.09/01/2014 - 5:08pm
Papa MidnightAnd resulting in PC gaming continuing to be held back by developer habits09/01/2014 - 5:07pm
Papa MidnightI find it disappointing that the current gen of consoles is representative of 2009-2010 in PC gaming, and will be the bar by which games are released over the next 8 years - resulting in more years of poor PC ports (if they're ever ported)09/01/2014 - 5:06pm
Andrew EisenMeanwhile, 6 of Wii U's top 12 are exclusive: Mario 3D World, Nintendo Land, Pikmin 3, Mario Kart 8, Wonderful 101, and ZombiU. (Wind Waker HD is on the list too but I didn't count it.)09/01/2014 - 4:36pm
Andrew EisenLikewise, only two of Xbox One's top 12 are exclusive: Dead Rising 3 and Ryse: Son of Rome (if you ignore a PC release later this year).09/01/2014 - 4:34pm
Andrew EisenNot to disrespect the current gen of consoles but I find it telling that of the "12 Best Games For The PS4" (per Kotaku), only two are exclusive to the system: Infamous: Second Son and Resogun.09/01/2014 - 4:30pm
MaskedPixelantehttp://www.joystiq.com/2014/09/01/beyond-two-souls-ps4-trophies-emerge-directors-cut-reported/ MMM MMM, nothing quire like reheated last gen games to make you appreciate the 400 bucks you spent on a new console.09/01/2014 - 4:24pm
Andrew EisenThat's actually a super depressing thought, that a bunch of retweeters are taking that pic as an illustration of the actual issue instead of an example of a complete misunderstanding of it.09/01/2014 - 4:20pm
Andrew EisenObviously, the picture was created by someone who doesn't understand what the issue actually is (or, possibly, someone trying to satire said misunderstanding).09/01/2014 - 4:10pm
Papa MidnightPeople fear and attack what they do not understand.09/01/2014 - 4:04pm
Papa MidnightWell, let's not forget. Someone held their hand in a peace sign a few weeks ago and people started claiming it was a gang sign. Or a police chief displayed the hand signal of their fraternity and was accused of the same.09/01/2014 - 4:04pm
SleakerEither people don't understand that what the picture is saying is true, or the picture was created out of a misunderstanding of what sexism is.09/01/2014 - 3:52pm
Sleaker@AE ok yah that's where the kind of confusion I'm getting. Your tweet can be taken to mean two different things.09/01/2014 - 3:51pm
Andrew EisenSleaker - No. No, not even remotely. The pic attached to my tweet was not made by me; it's not a statement I'm making. It's an illustration of the complete misunderstanding of the issue my tweet is referring to.09/01/2014 - 3:13pm
Papa MidnightIn other news, Netflix states why it paid Comcast: http://money.cnn.com/2014/08/29/technology/netflix-comcast/index.html?hpt=hp_t209/01/2014 - 3:10pm
Papa MidnightAndrew Eisen: Sites like Tumblr make things seem much bigger than they are. A vocal extreme minority start complaining and things go as they do.09/01/2014 - 3:09pm
SleakerAre you trying saying that specific costumes are sexist simply by being included in the game?09/01/2014 - 3:03pm
Andrew EisenSleaker - Seems completely cut and dry to me (of course, I wrote it so that's not surprising). What about it do you find confusing?09/01/2014 - 2:25pm
 

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