EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

October 15, 2008 -

Over at Gamasutra, Leigh Alexander serves up a revealing interview with John Riccitiello.

The Electronic Arts CEO dishes on the Spore DRM controversy, EA's abortive merger attempt with Take-Two, and EA's reputation in the gaming community.

Most noteworthy are Riccitiello's comments on the furor whipped up by Spore's much-maligned copy protection scheme:

I personally hate DRM. I don’t like the whole concept; it can be a little bit cumbersome. But I don’t like locks on my door, and I don’t like to use keys in my car... I’d like to live in a world where there are no passports. Unfortunately, we don’t – and I think the vast majority of people voted with their wallets and went out and bought Spore...

 

Everyone gets that we need some level of protection, or we’re going to be in business for free... [But it was] a minority of [anti-DRM] people that orchestrated a great PR program. They picked the highest-profile game they could find. I respect them for the success of their movement.

I'm guessing that half of them were pirates, and the other half were people caught up in something that they didn’t understand. If I’d had a chance to have a conversation with them, they’d have gotten it... There are different ways to do DRM; the most successful is what WoW does. They just charge you by the month.
 


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Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Wow....just wow.

Keep it up John, all of your statements are discoverable evidence in that Class Action suit going on over this.

Case to back up your statements with evidence?

I have a very simple question:

Exactly how did DRM on Spore stop piracy? 

This should be easy if DRM really is effective like you insist.  Come on John, answer the question.

Until then, continue the insults to your consumers, see how far that gets you.

To be a little more analytical John;

The "Pirates" aren't complaining about the DRM.  Do you know why?  Because they NEVER had to deal with it.  DRM-free Spore was available BEFORE the official release.  Pirates don't care about DRM because they don't deal with it, so they don't complain.  Now CRACKERS (the guys that actually strip the DRM) love DRM because they're in it for the challenge of cracking.  So the harder you make your DRM the more crackers try breaking it, probably resulting in a net INCREASE in the odds of a game being pirated.  You're shooting yourself in the foot with this stuff.

So I'll say it again, Pirates don't care about DRM and crackers LIKE DRM.

So there goes your "Half are pirates"

Alright, now how about the other half, ya know us ignorant masses.

I would submit that it's just the opposite.  Your consumer base is now old and sophisticated enough (most of us are at least in our 20s) to understand we're being screwed.  We're pissed because we DO understand.   You're just dealing with ignornant teenagers anymore.  You've got customers that are Computer Engineers, Programmers, LAWYERS (you might want to pay attention to that one) etc. 

You've created a whole class of people who feel wronged by you and who have the expertise to argue their cases legally and who have the expertise to argue it substantively.  Do you really want to be pissing off lawyers and computer programmers?

We do understand John, we understand completely.  And that's why we're pissed. 

If is you and your company that aren't getting it.  DRM doesn't work, it never has, the fact that Spore was leaked, DRM-free before it was even released is proof of that.  The DRM never worked, it didn't do ANYTHING except piss of legitimate customers who either

1) Downloaded the game for free and DRM-less

OR

2) Like me, refused to purchase the game and will not do so until your company issues an official apology for its callous, insulting, and offensive treatment of its customers and removes the DRM restrictions from Spore (CD-Key's are fine, even a one-time online activation is fine btw)

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

XKCD had a great comic on DRM the other day. It highlights part of the whole DRM struggle perfectly.

http://xkcd.com/488/

Basically, it asks the question "What happens when the company who made your legally purchased game stops supporting the DRM for it?"

This eventually happens with everything. So will those who DID purchase Spore simply be up a creek when SecuROM goes the way of the dino?

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Yeah, I'm sure there are craked copies out there already. Personally, it's not a game I'm interested in at all. I suspect the 'pirates' he speaks of are playing the game minus any DRM put in there.

It's true - I have purchased the Sim2, along with almost all of the expansions. I bought Bon Voyage, but never played it up until this last week - and I bought it at release. Why? because the stupid DRM that the SIMS2 uses, required me to re-install the whole game. At that point, I didn't feel like going through the 15 or so CD's I had to reinstall it and just put it on the shelf for months.

I really don't think I'll buy the new expansion - not because of lack of interest by any means, but I don't feel like dealing with the hassles of re-installing it. It's working now, and I'll leave well enough alone.

The hassles of dealing with DRM-laden games can be just as bad as the hassles of dealing with 'pirated' software. I am PAYING for the ease of use FIRST AND FOREMOST, second to that, I just don't like running cracked junk. Third, I don't really have an issue paying for products I use. But DRM kills the 'ease of use' part of it all.

All the new DRM is doing, is giving the 'crackers' and 'pirates' more experience busting EA's code. Wasn't DeCSS a good enough example?

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

"I'm guessing that half of them were pirates"

So, he's saying he really has no idea...

 

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

I am neither a pirate nor a fool; I am perfectly willing to sit with Mr. Riccitiello and debate the merits of DRM.  The only reason that I do not own a copy of Spore right now is because of its draconian DRM.  I will purchase the product the very day that they either remove or disable it, but not until that day.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Same here, haven't played it, don't want to play it until they stop treating me like a criminal. This isn't like a lock on the  door, since I don't have to go to the Estate Agent and ask them for the key every time I want to get in.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Three people I know from work bought the game and protested it.  One of those people was directly impaired by the DRM.  I know of at least 3 others, including myself, who protested it and did not buy it.  Nor did we pirate.  We simply won't buy EA's products any more until they knock this crap off.

Well, actually, I'll buy their products still.  Used console versions, so they never see a dime, but I still have my fun.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

In other news, EA continutes to offend its customers.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Once again, more proof that abandoning EA was the best choice ever.

if they ever join up with blizzardvision I'll be cancelling my WoW account. because I'll be damned if I pay them anything.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

If DRM was only affecting pirates then why did EA loosen up it's controls from 3 installs to 5?  To give the pirates a sporting chance?

It's a shame I'll miss Dead Space, but there's plenty of other good games out there.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Voted with their wallets my ass. Most people ain't got a clue what's going on about. Sure, some people know and think it's not that big a deal, and some think it's a big deal, but claiming people voted with their cash is rubbish. He actually expects everyone who buys the game to know of the DRM-controversy? Wasn't part of the controversy due to them not telling about it?

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

"I'm guessing that half of them were pirates, and the other half were people caught up in something that they didn’t understand."

So those who oppose DRM are either pirates or idiots running with the crowd? Wow my douche meter just exploded after reading his comments.

"If I’d had a chance to have a conversation with them, they’d have gotten it... There are different ways to do DRM"

Once again, douche readings are off the chart. The one way to go about DRM is the one most gamers prefer, and that is not doing DRM at all. Pirates are not stopped by it, DRM only fucks up experiences with normal customers who's opinions soon fall into the "EA is a douche bag company who does not care about it's customers, only about the money they give them."

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

He's partially right, this is a problem of understanding. But he's got the players all wrong. The problem is, he doesn't understand his customers, he doesn't understand the pirates, and he doesn't understand this industry.

All this guy understands is cash.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Double post, ignore.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

I'm sure EA would just love for people to be giving them money every month to play their games. The fact he considers this the 'best' way whilst talking about non-MMORPG's exposes his true motivation quite clearly to be honest.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

And I'm sure, that noone at EA could say anything you couldn't or wouldn't misinterpret to suit your preconceived opinion.

Someone suggested sending this comments page to EA. I have another suggestion: Let's delete the whole page and never again speak of this. The ridiculous amount of rumours, deliberate misinterpretation, word-twisting and misinformation going on here is embarassing.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Again with the asshole.  Seriously, learn a little respect.

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Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

"There are different ways to do DRM; the most successful is what WoW does. They just charge you by the month."

That is not DRM, John.  That's a subscription to an online game.  If you want to make a subscription game, go right ahead, but don't make a game and market it as a one-time sale game when it's merely a long-term rental.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Exacly, you can still use your copy of wow if you dont pay the subscription, but you can not really do much with it besides look at the login screen, or maybe run a local server for testing (I am not sure if thats allowed either though)

however, what they are doing is charging a fee for a service, mainly access to their servers. that is not drm, its a subscription based service, just like any other subscription based service, cut off the subscription and you lose the service, but not the product.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Oh please. Is piracy an issue for WoW or not? Because that was all he said. Stop deliberately misinterpreting what he said.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Just because you aren't bright enough to understand what he said doesn't mean we're misinterpreting it.

-- Sometimes the truth is arrived at by adding all the little lies together and deducting them from the totality of what is known

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Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

"If I’d had a chance to have a conversation with them, they’d have gotten it..."

I'm offering publicly to have a conversation with you on the matter, John. I would just love the opportunity.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Me too. PLEASE, PLEASE talk to me as one of the community organizers for the protest. Hell I'll even do it on national TV, and on Fox so you are in your element. I REALLY, REALLY want to get it - honestly... 

 

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Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Damn it EA!  Every time I get close to liking you again because of games like Dead Space, you turn around and say stupid sh*t like this!

It's like having a nympho girlfriend that's a demon in the sack but is also a total, hate-filled b*tch any other time!

Pirates don't protest your DRM, they laugh at it.  From what I understand of the pirate sub-culture they take stuff like SecuROM as a challenge, a game unto itself.  Every time a company goes "Hey, we have this DRM in there to prevent pirates!" said pirates go "Oh, really now?" (more like "O RLY?") and they begin to work on ways to get past it. 

I really hope they lose that lawsuite over SecuROM.  Maybe it'll be a wake-up call.  And Steam is a much better example of a great way DRM works, too.  I only bought Crysis because it was a Steam.  Wouldn't have wanted to touch the box version with a ten-foot pool.

 

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Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Why yes the pirates do take that as a challenge, and being the first to crack the DRM is considered bragging rights amongst them.

No really I was browsing a kinda sorta piratey TV show site (twas looking for old bugs bunny shows, I swear) and I saw them bragging that they got the newest episode of the office pirated to the web 5 minutes after the show finished on the air.

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Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

I don't know why industry types can't understand this:  DRM doesn't stop anyone.  It never has, and it never will.  It only gets in the way and inconveniences the NON-pirates.  The SHITTY DRM on Spore is the reason I didn't buy it, and never will.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

To quote from Army of One: You, Sir, are a moron...

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Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

I'm not a pirate - I've never pirated anything in my life (as I said when I protested Spore on Amazon), neither am I clueless about DRM.  I'm just a potential customer who was disappointed that Spore was going to be using a DRM that adversely affects what I see as my rights as a customer.  When I buy a bicycle, it doesn't tell me how many trips I can take before I have to buy another bike.  I don't expect a bike to be manufactured so that it breaks down after, say 300 trips and after that I have to buy a new bike or plead with the manufacturer to let me have another 100 trips.  That's ridiculous, but that's what EA is doing with Spore.

EA's SecuROM DRM is not anti-piracy - it's 100% anti-customer and intended to increase profits by wringing every last dollar from the customer's pocket.

I still have resisted Spore and now the hype has died down I don't think I'll ever buy it because from what I've heard it's not that good a game anyway.

Believe it or not, I actually have SecuROM on my system from another EA game.  I can't remove it and I believe it has made my DVD player unable to play DVDs.  I sometimes switch between region 1 and region 2 because I watch movies (that I bought legitimately) from England and the US.  The last time I switched regions I believe SecuROM disabled the DVD player simply because I switched regions.  Fortunately I'm going to be getting a new computer soon so it's not a big deal.  But SecuROM is not some harmless program that merely protects the manufacturer from piracy - it's a harmful virus that can disable parts of your computer even if you're NOT engaging in any illegal activity.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Believe it or not, I actually have SecuROM on my system from another EA game.  I can't remove it and I believe it has made my DVD player unable to play DVDs.  I sometimes switch between region 1 and region 2 because I watch movies (that I bought legitimately) from England and the US.  The last time I switched regions I believe SecuROM disabled the DVD player simply because I switched regions.  Fortunately I'm going to be getting a new computer soon so it's not a big deal.  But SecuROM is not some harmless program that merely protects the manufacturer from piracy - it's a harmful virus that can disable parts of your computer even if you're NOT engaging in any illegal activity.

Yeah right. You blame every problem your PC has on Securom, without even the tiniest shred of evidence, but the EA guy is the moron. Gotta love the internets.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

I might have gotten Spore.  I might have gotten Crysis and Crysis: Warhead.  However as soon as I found out that they used SecureROM I changed my mind.  I'm not willing to take the chance that their so called DRM would mess my system up.  Most likely I will never be able to get another EA game again if they continue to use SecureROM, which is unfourtante considering how big of a publisher they are.

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Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

I am allowed to make as many copies of keys as I want.  Anyone I want to give my car to can borrow it for as long as I want.  I can travel to any country in the world with my passport.  If cars, houses, and passports were like DRM:

- You could only have 3 different people drive your car.  You would have to call the manufacturer once a week to turn it on for you, so that they know you're not giving free rides to other people.

- Only 5 people could enter your house, ever.  If you want more than 5 you will have to call the builder and they might grant you a few more people access, but on a case by case basis.  If you accidentally lose your house keys, and the doors are locked, you will have to buy a new house.  As well, if you don't call in to let them know you are home, they will consider you to be in violation of the agreement and can take your house away.

I both understand DRM and did not pirate Spore (I bought it, in fact, because I've been waiting for it for 6 years).  He could talk to me for years, and never EVER convince me that DRM is worth it.  It wastes developers time and energy creating something that has no effect on anyone.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

BAWAHAHAHAAHAH, of course, I shouldn't be to surprised, this, EA hates their customers I think.  Yeah, half of the people protesting were pirates, way to make yourselves look bad there EA, but I shouldn't be to surprised after reading...

http://kotaku.com/5063565/ea-tried-to-buy-take+two-out-of-charity - this.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Pirates don't care about DRM!  They just download a copy without it.  

 

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

He prefaced it with a "Guess", meaning he did not look in depth at the breadth and scope of the anti-DRM protest.  I'll be the first to admit, as one of said protesters, the whole thing DID get out of proportion.  But a lot of these are honestly people who WOULD have bought the game, hell even PREORDERED the game, and waited with Gabe-and-Tycho-Murdering passion.  But when they heard about DRM?  Cancled Pre-Orders, lots of them.

That, I think, was the beginning and the end of the Anti-DRM that EA could have listened to.  The problem is, it was Amazon or Gamestop that suffered.  They still ordered copies from the publisher according to the initial number of pre-orders.  Did EA see the cancellations directly?  Not likely until the returns started coming in.  Unfortunatly, casual gamer hype and fandom allowed it to flourish in the retail market.

John Riccitiello's right--the consumer votes with their money.  The only people who'se opinions matter are those who are willing to open their wallets for somebody's game.  Anybody who had no intention to buy it has absolutely no say in what goes on with the game.

Personally, I think Spore is a great game, one that I thought was really fun to play on my friend's PC.  But if someone asks for my recommendation, I would tell them "I love it, you will too.  But don't download it--and don't buy it."

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Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

From insulting the customer as all being potential thieves, to leveling condescending remarks that those of us who disagree with the heavy-handed DRM system are either thieves or imbeciles, I have to wonder what John Riccitiello's marketing team must think. STOP INSULTING YOUR MARKET!

For the record, I disagree with the EA DRM system as a pointless hassle to something that was inevitably going to be broken by ardent, unrepentant pirates anyway. Sins of a Solar Empire didn't hamstring its own customers and did some very nice business without having a security guard come along with the retail version of the game to watch the player closely in his/her own home. I also didn't pirate the game. In fact, I want nothing to do with it, and will move on to the many other entertainment offerings that are available to me and my budget in these difficult economic times.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Locks, keys and passports are for your personal safety. DRM actually makes you less safe, because when you try to install the game after a hard drive wipe, you will suffer from a heart attack caused by a fit of rage.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Ahahahaha... Man, these guys really just don't get it, do they? Pirates don't care about DRM because they crack DRM in 15 minutes after the game comes out. This jerk-off needs to get out of the boardroom and start hitting the Web boards to get a real education about what’s going on with his products, instead of listen some slicked-back boot licker telling him everything’s a-ok.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Wow, talk about out of touch with technology.

Pirates don't care about DRM, it is usually easy to break and a patch comes out pretty soon after release... so to actual pirates,.. well, they don't care one way or the other.

So sounds like this CEO has been drinking his own marketing department's cool aid because he doesn't seem to actually know anything about how piracy or the technologies involved actually work.

I can't stand leaders who don't bother to take the time to learn about what they are leading.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

He is leading EA...  The board is filled with greedy stock holders, he is doing right by them, haha.

Where is the marketing departments cool-aid anyways?  I want to try some, because it evidently makes the whole world bright, shiney, filled with rainbows, and unicorns and the drinker can never do wrong as long as the green is coming in.  It sounds like some great X man, haha. (This is a joke, dont do drugs.)

DRM stops the resell of my house and car, not protect it, haha.  If DRM protected the game from piracy, why was it online for free before the release of the game?  I fully understand, I am not a pirate, and the CEO is full of bull.

I really want to try that cool aid though...  Especially if it makes him think products from EA are actually worth $60.

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Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Wait, so his defense is "If you are against DRM, you are either trying to steal my game or you are stupid."

What a douchebag!

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

This comic has a flow chart that explains what you should do:

http://www.xkcd.com/488/

You gotta love XKCD.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Wow...reminds me of the old "your either with us on everything...or a communist" line of thinking.  Nice to see we don't learn from our mistakes...we just make them apply to a new problem.

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Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

No John. You are an idiot. Locks on our homes and cars protect personal property. The ydo not protect the companies who made the house or car.

We put locks on our houses to protect our private property. That is property that we own.

What you did was sell us a house that we can only enter with your permission. You basically rented us an apartment. You made it so that at anytime you could come in and change all our locks and prevent us from using our home.

You basically made us pay full price for something that we do not own.

I know that gaming is no where close to owning a home. I am just expanding on his comparison.

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I think you guys are continously setting up a strawman EA and continously keep beating it up and going like "fight the power!" or whatever agenda you guys have. Not one person have I seen on this website has ever argued for EA or there developers other than me. Everyone else is against or indifferent on the issue. The lock is on EA's door not your door. They want to protect themselves and their own property. Spore is not your property it's their property. It is easily cracked and easily floodable, and cumbersome to whomever wants to enter. But the point is to not beat the expert hackers or the expert who knows how to get around all this stuff. Without any DRM what people are asking is unreasonable. Because at that point any person can steal it, and you dont go to some torrent site to steal it, you go to someones house.

If there is no DRM on your game then you can install it on every single computer on the planet with only one copy of the game. If there is a CD Key, then you can install it on every single computer that does not connect to the internet. If there is a CD key online check like Steam, then you would have to connect to the internet to play your game (which was a big deal for Half Life 2 back in the day), if you do CD checks then it is manditory for you to have the disc in the computer at all times which is physically cumbersome. And Riccotello was right, WoW is the best way which is you charge your customers every months, at a point where the losses to even a copy of the game being torrented transfers into money made by them going online. And nobody really wants that for anything beyond MMO's.

I stand by the fact that there is absoultly no perfect DRM scheme, and the technically perfect one would be BIOS level checks in the OS, which restricts use of P2P programs, cracks, CD key gens, and all the works. And no one wants that because you are all downloading movies and music onto your computers. (Dont say you haven't done it once.)

People do not know that DRM is more tailored for the casual pirate who figures out the idea that you can install this game on every computer on the planet and flood them out there. It is not for the hackers who can break every single peice of code out there. And the reasoning to have DRM is more of a pride issue than anything else. By removing DRM you are admiting defeat to the hackers and saying that some nerd in his mom's basement beated out a multi-billion dollar company as EA. For developers they find it a very sensitive issue for them, especially with people like Crytek who takes pride in their work and feels like the deserve to reap the benifits of their hard work. And what happened? Crysis got pirated to hell and back, and for people saying "oh well i'm testing my system." there was a little thing called a DEMO out there which is designed specifically for that.

The next solution which everyone lept on was the fact of putting out the PC version later than the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions of a game. GP and you guys were just like "IT DOESNT WORKZ!!!! NO ONE BUYS A 300$ CONSOLE TO PLAY ENDWAR!" Well yea, no one ever does. But a lot of people own gaming PC's and an Xbox 360's or a PS3. And if you wanted to play Endwar, Devil May Cry 4, Lost Planet, or many other games which have done this like Gears of War. You would either have to wait 8 months or get the console versions. I'm willing to bet that there is a lot of people out there who know their way around cracks and torrents, but dealing with a physical thing out on the street as a mod chip is beyond their comprehension, so they buy console games the legal way. Transfering real cash for the same game which if released on the same day as the PC, they would be offered the choice between free, and not free. What do you think they are going to choose?

 

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

You know what, you want proof that DRM is ruining legitimate buyers? Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-uulRB1OmY

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Let me place this into another analogy for you since you don't understand the lock one. Say you own a product that is for sale. So in order to prevent shop lifters from stealing your product, you implement a policy that goes as follows:

Person walks in and looks at your product. The person picks up the product and brings it to the counter to pay. You backhand them as hard as you can and yell, "Don't Steal My Product!" You then proceed to sell the product to the customer and they leave. But shoplifters don't bring the product to the counter. They just take it and leave. They don't get backhanded and don't get yelled at. But they still ahve the product.

That is what EA has done. They are backhanding and yelling at the people buying the buying the game while pirates get off scott free.

The only thing EA is accomplishing with this policy is making legitimate consumers not enjoy their experience buying from them and they eventually will either a)stop buying EA products or b) start stealing EA products.

Sure they have the right to protect their IP, but is it right for their customers to be collateral damage?

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Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

You say that so much better than I do...  My whole point was missed that pirates will always be there and will always pirate no matter how much protection you make, and if the consumer gets that collateral damage, they will join the pirates or not buy it at all to say screw you to places like EA. 

So no one wins, even the people that stay as consumers...  If they would not have had DRM, there would have been more game sales, including me buying the game instead of just having the free creature editor.   I would not buy the game even if they took it off now unless they added something to make it worth my while. (Spore without DRM, now including the first 3 expansion packs for $49.99... That would do it...)

Wasn't this the guy that called all of the consumers dumbasses for not understanding how big of a problem piracy is? or was that another EA Exec?

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Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

You know what? I can't relate to that, because I have never been backhanded by EA. And the security measures of SecurROM has probebly been the biggest spread of misinformation i've ever seen on the internet in a long time. Did you know that you can install Spore all day long forever on the same machine with the same key as it is only limited to 3 SEPERATE computers. not 3 installs. So infact, the problem comes down to changing out your computers, which 3 computers would be like 12 years, by that time SecurROM measure probebly would have been lifted by then.

Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Okay, what if you reformat your hard drive?
Hard drive crashes and you install a new one?
Change out another vital system part (IE Motherboard)?

From what I know all 3 of those would make it register as another install.

Then if you have 2 laptops (yours and your g/f, b/f, wife, husband, or child), and Desktop?  Then one laptop goes out and you get a new one, and your desktop goes out and you get a new one?  (Possible for my household since we have 2 computers over 4 years of age.)

Within 12 years I will have went through 10 computers between laptops and desktops... maybe more.

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Re: EA CEO: Half of Spore DRM Protesters Were Pirates

Then if you have 2 laptops (yours and your g/f, b/f, wife, husband, or child), and Desktop? 

Preventing illegal copies for your friends, kids and girlfriends isn't some weird unintended problem, it's the point.

 
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