Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big Planet

October 22, 2008 -

The Islamic musician whose Qur'anic references in a Little Big Planet soundtrack tune caused a delay in the game's release has defended his lyrics to MTV Multiplayer. Singer Toumani Diabate (left) explains:

It is quite normal to play music and be inspired by the words of the Prophet Mohammed... in my country in Mali. You can see this on television all the time.

MTV Multiplayer also has a more in-depth explanantion of the "offending" lyrics, provided by Diabate's record label. In this context they sound entirely inoffensive:

Moussa Diabate, adapts a traditional Malian song about the death of a much-loved hippopotamus who has been shot by a white hunter. In the original song... the griots of the village sing about how difficult it is to be separated from your loved one in death.

The singer adapts this song... to lament the death of his brother Mustapha, who died very young as a child. Moussa draws on the excerpts from the Koran to console him & help him overcome his bereavement. In this way, his intention... is a good one. He is not blaspheming or taking the Koran out of context. He is trying to draw strength from the words of the Prophet.

...‘Every soul shall have the taste of death...
...All that is on earth will perish...

Meanwhile, Reuters wonders whether, in the wake of its second faith-based controversy in as many years, Sony needs to hire a religious advisor. Perhaps more to the point, Reuters asks:

Should companies simply avoid any reference to Islam at all?

GP: Is that really what the Islamic world wants, to become a zone of avoidance for pop culture?


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Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

Personally, I feel sorry for the musician. It's not every day you're told your work is a offensive to members of your own faith.

Gift.

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

I can sort of see both sides of the argument, it's important that Sony do not break cultural taboos, but it's also important to bear in mind that the more you give to the vocal minority, the more they will demand. There's a certain lawyer who is a perfect example of this.

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

Anyone else wish Sony lied and said they recalled the game for a minor technical problem or something like that?

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Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

Lyings wrong, but I'll be damned if it just ain't plain easier

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

"Delayed on account of inappropriate content discovered at the last minute". 

True (depending on exactly what you mean by appropriate).  Too vague to associate directly with this song. 

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

And it puts the blame on the developer, not the musician or the publisher.  God knows we don't (or do) want another Hot-Coffee...incident.

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Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

I think it'd be more amusing if they recalled it and said nothing, and when the public demanded a reason, they could offer something that's CLEARLY false.

"Sony responded to comments about the LittleBig Planet recall earlier this week; when asked about the reason for the recall, Sony's spokesperson stated that in a 'small set of incidences, [it was] possible for [LittleBig Planet] to cause the PS3 to burst in to flames.' It was also stated that Sony also resolved some minor issues in a last minute update which could cause a user's head to explode. It was revealed that a small number of PS3 owners who owned launch consoles and were 'not yet jaded' could experience lethal levels of excitement upon the PS3s first 'truly good' release."

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

Religions are funny, they complain that they don't get enough rights and then at the soonest oppertunity they try to take those rights away from someone else. Not everyone thinks like this, but it seems whoever's upstairs at all these churches doesn't like anyone having rights but themselves.

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

You could replace religion with almost any subgroup. People are inherently <bleep>s.

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Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

Why should we be forced to respect their views if they don't ours? No, incidents like this should not be ealt with as 'sensitive', other the hardcore, the ones who want EVERYONE in the world to become Muslim, will be one step closer to their goal. What about my rights, as an Atheist?  Why should religios concerns enter the media world?  What next, trying to ban films because the leading lady is 1/16th Muslim ad is wearing a very slightly revealing top?  baning books which mention a Muslim deity in a romance plot (... oh wait, that's happening...).  This os a slippery slope we are on, and Sony's actions perhaps was extremely ill-advised.

 

If this pandering to a certain group because of potnetial fears over what may happen... well.. isn't that terrorism? I know it is a very minor issue, but at some point larger instances will occur, and go this same route because of 'precedent'. 

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

Why should we be forced to respect their views if they don't ours?

This. And it doesn't apply to solely Muslims, it applies to EVERY group.

 

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

Sony hasn't been terrorized, though. Or at least, not publicly.

As a company, they have to take in to account that offending a segment of their customer base can lead to lost SALES, which is clearly their concern. They think that the cost of a recall is less than the cost of publishing the game with potentially offensive content and getting sued, along with the loss of revenue generated by a game that people don't buy because it offends them.

In reality, there's two groups they're worried about here. There's the extremely conservative muslims, which everyone has made note of, and who are quite prone to explosive overreaction, which could lead to lost sales, bans, and potentially law suit. But then there's also the very conservative westerners who are obsessively anti-islamic; by leaving mentions of Islam IN the game, they'd risk associating themselves with a socially unpopular group, which could also lead to lost sales, and potentially to bans.

Seeing this, and that while each group is fairly ignorable seperately but are collectively large and influential enough to be problematic, is it really surprising that Sony's response is "Fuck this, let's just take it out."

Because is anyone offended by non-existant content?

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

There's one aspect that has yet to be pointed out. This game was rated E for Everyone.

I'm a parent of a 6 year old and a 2 year old. I dont want my 6 year old (7 by the time this game actually gets out), hearing

...‘Every soul shall have the taste of death...
...All that is on earth will perish...

no matter what it's intent.

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

You say you don't want your children to hear the aforementioned quotes, but honestly, are the quotes wrong?

Everyone dies eventually. You, me, the mailman, the family dog, everyone... Whether you believe in the afterlife or not, there's little disputing this fact.

The world will eventually end. Sure, it might be millions of years after we do, but eventually the sun will burn out or go giant and the world will end.

Both of these things sound depressing, but really, they're only depressing if you're trying not to accept the inevitable. Personally, I think that recognizing the idea that all life will end gives extra emphasis to the time that we do have. I understand you wanting to protect your children from all the unpleasantness in the world, but to this end, you can choose simply not to buy the game.

But honestly, had this article not come out, would you really have recognized the meanings behind the lyrics sung in arabic just by listening to them?

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

I'm with EZ Knight here. I don't think two lines referring to inevitable death, let alone in another language, are enough to warrent a bump in the rating. If you want to shield your child from reality, that's fine (if kinda weird) but it realistically has little bearing on the game's content.

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

It's not in "another language" for everybody.  Some kids speak Arabic as a first language. Even in the US and Europe. 

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

Certainly, and they are a major minority as well. Moreover, I would bet that there are exceedingly few children who speak Arabic as their first language in North America who are not also being raised Muslim. (Europe I cannot as easily comment on)

To return to my original point; the majority of children will not understand these lines. Even if they could, the concepts of death and inevitable death are reality, not some sort of horror fiction, and are present in LOTs of childrens fiction (Just look at classic Disney movies like Bambi or the Lion King). Ultimately, the content is minor, most children wouldn't be able to access it anyways, and the parent is the ultimate censor on this and all media. The game does not deserve anything more than an E rating.

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

I could easily see some Muslim parents feeling that such lyrics are too strong for children under 10 years old.  Even as the censor, they need guidelines, and that's what the rating is for.  It's not just death but the context it's presented it.  The game isn't about dealing with the death of a loved one.  Discussion of death is inappropriate.  Bambi and the Lion King are both movies about loss.  the theme of death is totally neccesary.  It's good of Sony to err on the side of caution here.

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

Discussion of death is inapprorpriate?

Says who? It's my belief that discussion of death is appropriate for anyone of any age who can fathom it.

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

Says who?

Says Sony, based on their understanding of what is considered socially acceptable amongst parents. 

It's my belief that discussion of death is appropriate for anyone of any age who can fathom it.

Some parents will feel differently.  Adjusting the game to suit their feelings will not affect the game in any tangible way for anyone else apart from those who believe that it is essential that childrens' puzzle games explore the theme of death in Arabic. 

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"Says Sony, based on their understanding of what is considered socially acceptable amongst parents. "

You're grasping at straws here. Sony isn't parenting, and it's doubtful that the reasoning behind removing the lines had anything to do with what they thought that gamers who speak arabic who own a PS3 who will buy LBP who have children who object to teaching their children about death would think about those two lines. I'm betting the number of people who fit in THAT description number in the dozens or less.

It's OK for parents to object to any number of things in the game, but it doesn't make the topic appropriate or inappropriate. Death, being a natural thing, is not an obscene topic, and many people likely feel it is a appropriate topic for children, if perhaps not a comfortable one. It often gets breached when a relative or pet dies, but that doesn't mean there aren't other times where the same topic may be intelligently raised -- fiction is a great place to do such a thing.

And it may not be relevant to the game's general platforming-puzzle mechanics to explore death, but it could quite easily be detrimental to the overall theme of the game and its story and artistic outlook. Like other media, Games ARE capable of discussing things intelligently; discarding potentially objectionable elements, regardless of the likelihood of them being objectionable to any given person, is a very quick journy to creation-by-committee and a nose dive away from artistic integrity.

Of course, LBP may not be striving to be anything more than an adorable toy that is otherwise stimulating-content free, but the point still stands, regardless of how deep or shallow this product may be.

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"You're grasping at straws here. Sony isn't parenting, and it's doubtful that the reasoning behind removing the lines had anything to do with what they thought that gamers who speak arabic who own a PS3 who will buy LBP who have children who object to teaching their children about death would think about those two lines. I'm betting the number of people who fit in THAT description number in the dozens or less."

I'm not grasping at straws.  Sony have specific rules about what is and isn't permitted in a game aimed at that target audience.  At least I imagine so.  Microsoft certainly do.  I've had personal experience of their refusal to offend nobody.

It doesn't matter that only a few dozen people are going to consider it inappropriate or even if one person will.  It does matter that their rules are very specific about the type of content that will not go in.  These rules are based on Sony's analysis of what is socially acceptable.  The rules may say something along the lines of "Lyrics covering death, sex, racism, or drugs aren't permitted".  They do not have an implicit "Unless only a handful of people will be offended" tacked on the end.  (There are going to be other rules that the song violates but this one would probably be enough on its own, at least if it was spotted earlier).

"It's OK for parents to object to any number of things in the game, but it doesn't make the topic appropriate or inappropriate."

I think that the parents who object to this sort of thing will consider it inappropriate.  Whether parents want to talk to their children about death is up to them.  They don't want that decision made for them by a video game.  Sony's policy gives parents a choice. 

And it may not be relevant to the game's general platforming-puzzle mechanics to explore death, but it could quite easily be detrimental to the overall theme of the game and its story and artistic outlook.

It clearly isn't though.  The designers chose the song because they thought it added to the ambience of the level.  There are a large number of other tunes they could have chosen. 

If this was something fundamental to the game, I'd agree with you, but it's not.  It's a minor detail that has negligible effect on the experience. 

Lets flip the question.  Let's suppose you're the producer of a fun little childrens' game that is intended only to amuse and entertain.  You have a choice of two songs.  One has lyrics about death and the other doesn't.  Which do you choose? 

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"At least I imagine so."
So you're basing your opinion here on your speculation on what you think Sony's internal conduct requirements are? If this was something they had as an internal guideline, how would it have made it as far as they did without being removed? (I somehow think that 'it was in Arabic, how would they know?' is insufficient there. The game is too deliberate for that.)

"The rules may say something along the lines of ... tacked on the end. "
Again, more speculation. Now of course, bare in mind that while LittleBig Planet is very cute and colorful, it's an all ages title, no neccessarily a children's title. SeanB's comment that spawned this thread was over the game being rated 'E' -- Sony can only rate their games indirectly, by the content. It's the ESRB who dictates the actual rating.

The ESRB describe the 'E' rating as:
"Titles rated E (Everyone) have content that may be suitable for ages 6 and older. Titles in this category may contain minimal cartoon, fantasy or mild violence and/or infrequent use of mild language."

They at no point make any mention of death, except for the case of GRAPHIC depictions of death, which these lyrics DO NOT contain (even remotely). It's likely that if SONY is concerned about the content or trying to reach a particular audience, they'll be working inside of the ESRBs guidelines, and indeed those of other ratings agencies like the BBFC and PEGI. While they may have their own internal rule set, we can only guess at its content, and I doubt it'd be little more than an accumulated version of the lists by the various agencies who otherwise get to rate their content.

"Whether parents want to talk to their children about death is up to them.  They don't want that decision made for them by a video game."
You make it sound as though Sony is going to make everyone on earth play LittleBig Planet. That is obviously not the case; parents DO have the decision -- it is entirely THEIR responsibility to ensure that content they are giving their children is appropriate according to their own beliefs, morals and imperitives. If they don't want their children hearing these two lines of lyrics, then they shouldn't let their children have the game. It's that simple. You may object, saying the parents don't know what's in the game, but that doesn't lift the responsibility off of the parents. As they say in law, 'Ignorance is not an excuse'.

Sony is a business, not a friendly old man trying to bright light to the world. Decisions like this are economic in nature, I assure you.


As to your challenge, that entirely depends. In a game about dreams and dreaming, I might be inclined to talk about death, to allude to things like 'Le petit mort' (the little death, or sleep) because it could be relevant to the themes of the game. I don't presume that children's entertainment need be a barren field of mindlessly bright colors, devoid of intellectual content. Indeed, my favorite entertainment as a child was the stuff that didn't baby me and made me think -- things that make allusions to greater and older works and caused me to wonder about philosophical quandries. Games have very few of those, let alone for children, so I wouldn't encourage killing them off because of a few lazy, distasteful parents and their personal, overprotective preferences.

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"So you're basing your opinion here on your speculation on what you think Sony's internal conduct requirements are?"

Is it really a stretch to assume that they're similar to those of Microsoft?

"If this was something they had as an internal guideline, how would it have made it as far as they did without being removed?"

I have no idea.  But it was removed because Sony felt it best.  Considering the potential expense, I find it hard to believe that they don't have internal guidlelines about not offending religions.  A lot of people know Islam holds their holy book with particular reverence.  Since they missed this, I speculate that they failed to notice the lyrics may be seen as inappropriate by some Arabic speaking parents. 

Sony may have decided to take the requirements for an 'E' rating rather more strictly than the ESRB require.  They have that right.  Sony believe that some parents think that a game rated 'E' should not have lyrics about death.  Maybe they're wrong.  They also believe that no parents think that a game rated 'E' must have lyrics abut death.  I think they're right there. They're overreacting but their actions are not not totally without merit.

"You make it sound as though Sony is going to make everyone on earth play LittleBig Planet. That is obviously not the case; parents DO have the decision -- it is entirely THEIR responsibility to ensure that content they are giving their children is appropriate according to their own beliefs, morals and imperitives."

My point is that the decision shouldn't be "Do I protect my children based on my own beliefs or do I let them play a fun colourful game?".  Why should the two be mutually exclusive?  Sony have clearly decided, for whatever reason, that parents can buy their children this game, and still have a choice on the other matter.  

"I don't presume that children's entertainment need be a barren field of mindlessly bright colors, devoid of intellectual content."

That's exactly what this game is, and it wants to be nothing more!  A song about death in a more intellectual, artistic game would be more likely to be seen as approriate.  Context is key here. 

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

You, sir, remind me of Jack Thompson in your arguments.

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In what way?

Without backing it up, that smacks of name calling.  Jack Thompson gets personal.  All my arguments were addressing his points, I never accused him of making death threats, I haven't shouted that I'm an attorney (because I'm not but that's another matter). 

I have a perfectly civil disagreement with kagarinai based on different assumptions.  He believes my assumptions are overly speculative, possibly even stupid, and I disagree.  I've decided to stop at this point because I've said all I have to say and neither of us are going to convince the other. 

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

Wow.  Keep going, I wanna see if you can get to single-letter lines!

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"Is it really a stretch to assume that they're similar to those of Microsoft?"
Considering they're from two different countries known for having different outlooks, produce different products, and have different roots, it seems like a bit of a stretch to me, yeah. Like I said before, they likely have guidelines based on the agencies that rate them, not some interal moral compass.

"But it was removed because Sony felt it best."
It was removed because Sony felt it more profitable. They're out to make money, and recalls are expensive. If they didn't think this was worth the cost of a recall, they would not have done it.

"Sony believe that..."
You presume to know a lot about what Sony thinks or knows (in a rather anthropic way) without actually backing it up.

"Sony have clearly decided, for whatever reason, that parents can buy their children this game, and still have a choice on the other matter. "
I would be SHOCKED if this even occured to them in terms of the recall, to worry about what and when parents want to teach their children about death. Again: this is a business. There may be a lot of creative individuals involved who want to create a specific experience, but Sony as a giant, corporate monster, wants to make money and lots of it. Sony likely cares very little about if you want to teach your children about death and MORE about wether or not people will buy, boycott or sue over the game. Like I stated in a different post in this threat, they're most likely worried about the conservative Muslims who would find this offensive, and the conservative Westerners who are anti-Islamic. I suppose there's always the possibility that in some boardroom meeting they had, they questioned the value of the "arabic speaking crazy over protective 'hide all information of death from out children'" market, but I doubt that it factored in to their decision much. It's a tad specific.

"That's exactly what this game is, and it wants to be nothing more!"
Are you sure about that? Have you played the game yet?
Because as I understand it from the reviews, videos and writeups I've seen, LittleBigPlanet has a nicely assembled story, which while short, talks about themes of sleep and dreams, BOTH of which are heavily tied to allusions of death, classically (Le petite morte) in literature (Hamlet) and in modern media (Waking Life). Until I play the game, I'm inclined to presume it is NOT just a disposable distraction. Just because it's colorful and child friendly doesn't mean that it's designed for children; I'm inclined to think otherwise, in fact, if only because of the sheer complexity of the overall production. And frankly, that's the way it should be. Dumb media spawns dumb people.

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

Why? My son is only 4 and we have already had a conversation about death and he understood it quite well.

Also, the lines are spoken in Arabic. Does your son know Arabic?

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Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

Surely that's your choice as a parent.  SeanB is entitled to make his choices as a parent.  It would be a shame to have to deprive his children of such a fun little game because he disapproved of some song lyrics. 

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

DId I say he had to tell his kid about death or let his kid be exposed to death? No. What I said was that my son who is two years younger than his son understood a conversation about death.

Children are a lot smarter than many people think. They often have a better understanding of things than some adults.

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Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

Hear hear!

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Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

Isn't that HIS choice as a parent, though?

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

ignore

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Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

Sure, things aren't taken out of context, but the part they've taken from the Qur'an is talking about the end of the world. Really not related to a game like LBP. <_<

Also, about what that musician said.. To muslims, the Qur'an is the words of God and not Prophet Mohammed.

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

The Qur'an is believed to have been revealed to the prophet Mohammed by angel Jibril as the final revelation of god, so I thought that either is (basically) correct??

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

Very similar to Christianity. My wife's catholic, and in conversation they can barely keep "christ" and "god" separate in a sentence, and often seem to confuse the two.

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

Not quite. Christ and God are one and the same (depending on the subset of Christianity - even when not God Christ is still more than a normal mortal) as I understand Islam Muhammad is a mortal man and not God or a avatar for God.

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Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

Not really hard to confue the two when they believe that God, Christ and the Holy Ghost are all the same being.

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Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

Oh God you reminded me of the mockery of that coming from Maher

"Jesus I'm sending you on a suicide mission, but they can't kill you because you're really me. You're gonna hate me but it's the best thing for you son ... I mean me."

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Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

I feel that the people who are hurt most are the real genuine Muslims who would love to have a game recognising the words of the Mohamad, but that is only a guess.

 

I feel for the musician and the Muslim gamers and also the people who worked hard on this game.

 

I feel that no game should have to be recalled because of something so trivial

 

hope that times will change and this will become a thing of a past.

TBoneTony

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

I can't help but notice he appears to have speared and decapitated a large sackboy... perhaps out of protest at his song being removed?

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

^teh lulz^


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Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

Personally if its in another language then i wont notice and ill think that its jibberish (no im not saying muslim is jibberish) and ill play my game, have fun ,turn off, repeat!

Shobidoo, the hardcore gamer

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

Songs about death and really might not always be considered suitable for a childrens' game.  Neither might songs that breach cultural taboos. This does both. 

Bet there's not a lot of violent gangsta rap either, or burning of flags. 

Toumani Diabate has an important message to communicate with his song.  Including those lyrics was essential to his message.

Sony just want to entertain as many people as possible.  Including the song may detract from this for a small minority. Removing it would never be noticed by anyone were it not for all the media coverage.

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I'm trying to understand when and how American media spun Flag burning in to a disrespectful, 'hateful' thing. Burning a flag is the ONLY respectful way to dispose of a flag, historically.

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

But there's a ceremony to go along with that burning, usually.  Flag burning in this case is likened to protesting outside Congress waving a burning flag.  Not very respectful.

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Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

The Flag burnings that are found disrespectful is when they are done as some sort of protest. So when you are buring a flag to say "Down with the government." that is disrespectful.

Disposing of a flag is fine.

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Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

Sure, but the flag is a symbol. If there is a disconnect between the government and its people, (generally the cause of protest) and the people decide that the government is not properly representing them, then the symbol loses its meaning and disposing of it (respectfully) becomes a new and relevent symbol.

So, in that vein, I don't agree that buring a flag to state 'Down with the government' is disrespectful, particularly if the government has done significant wrong.

Re: Islamic Musician Defends Lyrics That Delayed Little Big

The flag was never meant to repersent the government.

 
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InfophileWhat a world we live in: Becoming a billionaire was the easy way out for Notch.09/15/2014 - 9:42am
james_fudgelots of hate for Notch here. I don't get it. Sorry he made a game everyone loved. What a monster he is!09/15/2014 - 9:37am
SleakerOn the flipside, Notch has been a horrible CEO for Mojang, and the company has grown on sheer inertia, DESPITE being mishandled over and over.09/15/2014 - 9:33am
SleakerI can understand Notch's statements he made to Kotaku about growing bigger than he intended, and getting hate for EULA changes he didn't enact.09/15/2014 - 9:32am
MaskedPixelantehttp://pastebin.com/n1qTeikM Notch's statement about the MS acquisition. He wanted out for a long time and this was the easiest way.09/15/2014 - 9:08am
ConsterEh, I can't blame him.09/15/2014 - 9:01am
 

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