Cops Organize Big Search for Missing Gamer; Mom Clings to CoD4 Theory

October 24, 2008 -

After 11 days, 15-year-old Canadian gamer Brandon Crisp remains missing.

Rewards in the case have increased to $20,000, while a message on the Facebook group Where is Brandon Crisp? outlines a major volunteer search effort that will begin today and last through the weekend:

The public search for Brandon will take place Friday - Sunday October 24 - 26. The command centre for the search each day will be located at Burl's Creek in Oro, and teams will be organised there to search throughout Oro and Orillia.

In addition to ground-searching, volunteers may be asked to perform support-related duties for the search, canvass neighbourhoods and post flyers in high-traffic locations.

The Command centre will operate Friday Saturday and Sunday from 10 am through 5 pm. As we expect many volunteers, we ask for patience while we organise each volunteer into proper roles; we need to make sure we execute the search to the best of our ability.

Canada's cnews reports that Brandon's distraught mother, Angelika Crisp, clings to the idea that he was taken by a fellow gamer:

She insists her son was taken by some misfit teammate who may be participating in a bizarre video game that has somehow crossed over into reality.

Crisp said her son was "addicted" to the terrorist war game, Call of Duty, and might have met up with team players online.

"I think someone has him," Crisp said.

In addition to the Facebook group (which now has over 9,200 members), a website has been established at FindBrandonCrisp.com


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Hmmnnmmm....I understand pointing a finger towards videogame addiction, after all, in a situation like this, a person has to be open to all possibilities. But, that's something I'm not seeing. Why have the parents only considered the game addiction theory? Have they (or the investagators, who are supposed to be trained professionals) even considered any other possibilities? I mean, they really are sticking hard to the addiction thing...really hard...

A person who's addicted doesn't just abandon the addiction, so this kid is either:

a)Somewhere he can play his games.

b)Using new online accounts (if he's really addicted, losing badges or whatever it is COD uses won't matter).

c)He was kidnapped.

d)He is deceased. If he's deceased, causes that come immidiately to mind are:

          a)He's died of exposure to the elements post departure.

           b)He's died of starvation post departure.

            c)He's been murdered, either by someone close to him, or by a stranger following his dissapearance.

             d)He was kidnapped and killed, either by a loved one, or a stranger.

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

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Or

e.He could have been abducted by a pervert,As i sent a link a few days back conernig a missing kid, as a said, Certain missing kids and runaways can be targeted by creeps who want to use them fortheir own disgusting pleasures, America has the same problems we have with often missing kids, If canada does have an Amber alert the i pray they use it ad hopefully find him safe and sound, Since a few days past, Im hoping nobody here lost hope, Im hoping he comes home safe to his family and not in a casket like most missing children end up on ad its usually done so by a pervert.

The parents ougtha be locked up for child endangerment, They know what they done and they're using a very crappy scapegoat that i hope gets proved wrong.

Magic Taco

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yeah statistically the chances of being abducted by a sex offender are 1 in 1.5 million

thats the same chance as being struck by lightning!

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Yeah, I put that under scenario C. I chose not to suggest a particular type of kidnapper because of the many motivations kidnappers can have.

 

-Remember kids, personal responsibility is for losers! Jack Thompson is still a dick...

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

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Except somewhere around 90% of sexual abuse is by FAMILY. Not some random pervert.

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This is a tragic example of how parents can't just buy their kids a $400 system and hope everything will sort itself out in the long run. Parents PLEASE stay informed of what your kids are doing!

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I find what she says somewhat hard to believe in the context it is given, but stranger things have happened.

I'm prepared to wait until we have the facts, if Brandon left on the night of the argument itself, then there would have been no time for such a rendezvous to be arranged, but I don't know if he did, either way, without access to XBL I can't see how some online stalker could have organised to meet Brandon, I'm assuming Brandon had no access from the point of the argument.

I hope he's found safe and well, and then we will find out the real story, whether it was a question of addiction, or purely anger at his parents.

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http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)

 

 

Trails...she has no idea what game her son was even playing..i'm sorry but if you cant keep track of something as small as that then in my book you are a bad parent...why parents dont keep up wiht their kids and w hat they play and monitor there gaming time if the arent anywhere near 18..its not that difficult to do

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She's got bigger shit to focus on than the number of the game of the series her son was playing. And you yourself point out that this is a "small" thing. Hysteria tends to make it difficult to focus on small tidbits of information.

 

Now, if you had meant something along the lines of it being odd for her not to know the name of the game that she claimed her son was supposedly addicted to (addiction being a very "big" thing), then I would kinda agree, albeit in a less...harsh manner. After all, from my experiences most parents who don't play video games ; every one kinda seems to run together to them...

 

 

-Remember kids, personal responsibility is for losers!

-The Buck Stops Here.

-Thou Shall Not Teamkill, Asshole.

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

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What?  She gets the name of a videogame slightly wrong and she's a bad parent?  That's quite the reasoning leap, my friend.  Just because she can't get the title of a game correct doesn't mean she doesn't have a handle on what her kid is playing.

Anyways, the video game named is simply "call of duty", so how's that wrong?  Further, it's named by the author of the article, not in a quote, i.e. it's no directly attributable to her.

You're condeming her for getting a video game title slightly wrong when she's been freaking out for 11 days.  She probably hasn't slept, and, to quote her  "I haven't stopped crying... Every time the phone rings, I go hysterical."  Show at least a little compassion.

I'm not saying her theories on video games hold much water, but calling her a bad parent is just ridiculous.

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I appreciate your sense of compassion, Trails, which from reading other posts here, it appears few in this forum have, for anyone except the gamer!

lizwool

lizwool

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The parents likely bought him the console.  The parents likely bought him the M rated game he wasn't supposed to be playing.  The parents are the ones who let him play it to a level they are now calling an addiction.  And they are now blaming this supposed habit that they were ignorant of until now as the reason for his kidnapping.

I feel for their situation but please explain to me how calling them on this strategy of blaming this on something they allowed to happen and ignored makes us bad people?  I am not saying they're bad parents.  They may in fact be good parents.  But if they're going to irrationally blame a medium for this with no basis for it, we are not evil for telling them they're wrong.  If they are not sure if the real cause, they shouldn't be going in front of cameras and throwing unfounded accusations.  That they are going through a tough time is something I feel for but that doesn't give them the right to demonize anything, whether games or otherwise.

Parallax Abstraction
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

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bravo! thats what i was trying to get across.. i dont see how she can demonize something when its clear they cant have it both ways.

If it was as serious  an 'addiction' as they claim,  they didnt do near enough. (paying for his Xbox live.. just.. wow.. i see that personally (i am not saying im right) as 'bad parenting'. )

Like Parallax Abstraction said, Its unfair to blame something, hell , to blame anything,  with absolutely no basis.

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I suspect that years of dealing wih jagoffs like JT and Keith Vaz have left some gamers defensive.

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see for me its not even that which id say was 'bad'

 

Its the fact that not only did she not know the name of the game, Its coupled with the fact she alleges he had a serious 3 year addiction.. I mean THAT is a problem, if she was genuinely seriously concerned, then she what.. didnt even pick up the game in a 3 year period to see the name?

If thats the case It was either

A) not an addiction at all

b) an addiction that, as a parent, she wasnt that bothered enough about to look at the name of the game, in 3 years.

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Guys, please, lets take it easy.

These are concerned parents whose son is missing.  They get a load of slack for being irrational, they're most likely out of the minds with grief, fear and worry.  You've probably all said some pretty dumb shit at your most emotional, I know I have.

The mom's assessment of video games and CoD is way off, but that's no reason to call her a bad parent.

I really hope they find this kid safe and sound.

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I second what Trails said...

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I second what both of them said.

Game on, brothers and sisters.

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"These are concerned parents whose son is missing.  They get a load of slack for being irrational, they're most likely out of the minds with grief, fear and worry.  You've probably all said some pretty dumb shit at your most emotional, I know I have."

I can respect this and my heart does go out to them (in spite of the fact that they didn't seem to know what their son was doing but are now blaming it) but if you're this grief stricken, maybe you shouldn't be talking to the press.  They don't seem so distrot that they can't go in front of a reporter and spew this nonsense about what's to blame.

Parallax Abstraction
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

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I second what Parallax said.

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Look folks, the fact is, this kid has probably topped hissen.  The mother is probably thinking (subconsciously) that abduction is a better fate than suicide.

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It's okay everyone. I just saw one of the posters in my local paper and it's not the Video Game Industry's fault. It's clearly a knockoff game he was playing since the poster refers to "Tour of Duty 4". And if that's the case it must have been a modded X-box which means he is a criminal anyways so nothing to worry about.

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like i keep saying.. it CANT be COD4!

COD 4 - released nov 4th 2007

doesnt anybody else find it WIERD that apparently he had a '3 year' addiction to this game, even tho it didnt exist for the first two years?

If the game was that 'evil' and her son was genuinely an 'addict' im sorry, if i was a parent id be worried enough to learn the name of the game that he was addicted to for the first 2 years of this terrible 'addiction'.

Oh and i wouldnt have paid for xbox live so he could play.

And i wouldnt have let him play an M rated game.

And i wouldnt have packed his bag to help him run away.

 

Just sayin, i REALLY hope he turns up fine, genuinely. But the story is so full of strange errors its untrue.

Surely if her son played the game every day, she'd know the game like the back of her hand (i mean the first 2 years it couldnt have even been COD4! that only leaves the WW2 CODs.. which you cant easily confuse with terrorists..) .

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NB - I'm not sure it's reasonable to expect that non-gaming parents, especially under these circumstaces,  have a precise grasp on release dates, etc. He may have been using some earlier version of CoD or some other FPS...

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http://www.ourmissingchildren.gc.ca/omc/about/stats_e.htm

Yeah it was video games I mean look at those stats if we go with Kidnapped as they are presumbably claiming since their child is being held by some cult that means a 50 in 60000 chance, yes that is the obvious choice not the 40000 in 60000 I ran away because I didn't like my parents chance ... no their family is perfect and therefore their child would never want to run away it must be the 50 in 60000 chance.

I have learnt nothing from History, for History is obviously a bunch of lies to destroy my perception of the world.

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Sounds like the Parents like to watch CSI... Seriously, a videogame that crossed into reality? Does she know what game he was actually playing, because I know CoD4 was good, but it's not that good, and unless this kid's teammates were illegal arms dealers who own giant stretches of secluded property where they hold human deathmatches, I don't think any aspect of the game could've 'crossed over'.

The biggest problem in all of this is that the kid didn't take the xbox with him, and unless he's been playing unsupervised for so long that they parents didn't notice him swapping phone numbers over the headset or hecking what kind of messages he's been sending back and forth then I don't really think CoD4 can be blamed. It's fair to blame hysteria and emotional trauma for their otherwise moronic response to the situation, but still, this really does prove that these parents don't know anything about their kid, what games he's playing, or any of his friends.

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I don't want to sound like I'm being racist or accusing anyone else of racism, but I can't remember the last time there was a gigantic fuss like this over a non-Caucasian missing child report.

If I'm wrong, please feel free to straighten me out, but I've never really seen anything like that for non-Caucasians.

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We don't have "missing white girl" syndrom as bad here in Canada. There was a little native girl in Saskatchewan who went missing, and although the investigation focused on the relatives, the media here was plastered with efforts to find her. The police eventually scaled back the search 2 years later, although there's still a $25,000 reward for information leading to finding her.

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Two words to refute that: Jane Kreba

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She didn't become the poster child for handgun bans because of her race, but because she was an innocent bystander caught in the crossfire during a boxing-day shootout in a popular market. She was the only one killed during the entire gunfight. A completely random death.

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There's been some debate about that, and I can't help but think it wouldn't have gotten the lead story for a month straight on the evening news. Besides, when I hear "Bright Future" and "Loved by everyone at school" I can't help but thing WGS. Since everyone is disliked by somebody.

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It's more "you don't speak ill of the dead" syndrome. Unless the person is absolutely HATED by their community, they are automatically described as "loved by everyone at school" after a tragic death. Especially in cases where they were the innocent bystander.

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My friend was half white and half misc (as in enough to darken her skin), and she got a missing persons report last march over in Ottawa that spread across Ontario.

No one will take the gaming community seriously in cases like this. Have you all been over to CBC.ca and look at the comments for this story over? They're all saying we're spoiled brats and since, apparently, not a lot of gamers of parents, we have no clue what to say about parenting. *Smacks head in desk*

What people and parents don't know is that the gaming community knows more about themselves than the outside world, in terms of these online games, knows. I don't know, have the parents tried to access their child's in game information and ask the people on his friendslist in-game?

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That girl went missing just down the road from me at Carleton U.  They found her body in the Rideau River.  I really hope the same thing didn't happen to Brandon.

Also, nobody really reads the comments at CBC.ca, do they?  Their ignorance on everything from politics to hockey is frankly astounding.

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As was mentioned, this is a clear example of Missing White Woman syndrome. Basically, because the child fits the average-everything (White, middle class, etc) it affects a lot of people on an emotional level and is therefore even crispier to the media. They're not being racist - they just know it gives more viewers/readers.

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Instead of trying to get the most viewers in one fell swoop, the media can report on more than one missing person. Make it a missing white person AND a missing black person (or Hispanic, etc), and you would get even more viewers with those two stories combined.

As far as missing women go, I think it's the helpless "damsel in distress" archetyp that gets people to feel more worried for a woman.

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Even though the child in question is a boy, this is still pretty much a textbook case of 'Missing White Girl Syndrome'.

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"She insists her son was taken by some misfit teammate who may be participating in a bizarre video game that has somehow crossed over into reality.

Crisp said her son was "addicted" to the terrorist war game, Call of Duty, and might have met up with team players online.

"I think someone has him," Crisp said."

 

Bizarre video game that has crossed over into reality? Taken by some misfit teammate? So he has kidnapped by cult members who worship COD as some twisted God?

So many words can be used to describe the COD series. Terrorist War Game is not one of them. Does she actually think he ran off with some people he met online to join a terrorist cell? Given today's parents I would not be surprised. The game has nothing to do with the kid running away, the rabbit hole goes deeper than they are allowing others to see. They are not sharing the entire story with us, there is a huge piece being left out.

Just asking, but have the police checked out the parents? They usually do in cases like this, the parents are always considered suspects when a child disappears.

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C'mon, DT... there's no call to go there. I'm sure the police are checking every angle. You've got to remember, the parents are under enormous stress.

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Nah, a CoD cult would spend all it's time fighting with the Halflife cults out there, not enough time to abduct kids.

Seriously though you're right... this sounds a whole lot like the JonBenét Ramsey case.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin

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And I say if it becomes evident that COD4 is NOT to blame, the entire COD4 community sue the Parents for slander, libel, and fraud.

They need to take some responsibility for their own actions.

Nightwng2000

NW2K Software

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I don't see where the parents blamed COD4. I see where they blamed the child for playing too much COD4, and they blamed the Xbox Live community, which is not without the lion's share of riff-raff.

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Ok, I did cross some lines to create a confusing statement.  I said if COD4 (the game) was NOT to blame, then I said the COD4 community (the community of players of the game).

Still, if they are blaming the community as a whole, it's still slander, libel, and fraud, as much as if I went around blaming the WHOLE of the Christian community for the acts of Eric Rudolph.

Nightwng2000

NW2K Software

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Re: Cops Organize Big Search for Missing Gamer; Mom Clings to

Slander? Libel? Come on, you know as much as anyone else that in order for that to stand, you have to show evidence that your reputation has somehow been affected by this. And it hasn't.

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Nightwng2000,

Too bad you don't know what parents go through when they loose their family member to   __________  games.

I know, I have been there.  It is heart breaking for the family members.  Family members are at a loss as to what to do about it when it does happen, because there is so little help out there.

lizwool

 

 

lizwool

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Well, that's a pretty sick response.  Are you actually wishing something bad to happen to my son so you can swoop in with your agenda "blame the video game"?

They don't loose their kids to the games, as I've pointed out in another article.  They loose them because they don't take responsibility for their own actions.

The kid, from the sounds of it, had no diversity in his life.  They didn't encourage a diverse lifestyle, so when they punished him by taking away his apparent sole activity, he had nothing to fall back on. 

So, instead of offering factual information, you swoop in and blame video games.  And it really must please you that there is "so little help out there" and there are people out there asking "why did this happen?" because now you can fill in their concerns with fearmongering and misinformation.

While there is the possibility that he may have been lured away by an internet criminal, the fact is that those criminals exist in a great many online environments, not just video games.

The fact is that I encourage my son, not always successfully but better than no success, to have a diverse activity base so when he is punished and grounded from one activity, he has other activities to fall back on.

From the reports, the boy spent a great deal of time on a single activity.  Very little other activities.  And whose fault was it that that was not under control?  The Parents.  They ARE Parents, after all.  They should act like it.

I usually don't like blaming Parents in general for a lack of responsibility, but clearly from this story, the Parents were less responsible as maintaining their child's exposure to the world around him and more succumbing to his desires and wishes.  Now, they are paying the price, as horrible as it is, but they still refuse to take responsibility for their actions, or lack thereof.

Nightwng2000

NW2K Software

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I think part of the problem is people look for video-game specific help as if game addiction is some new, unique thing that is fundementally differnt and scary.

Traditional anti-addiction techniques are a good place to start, plenty of help out there.

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Neeneko, you are right.  Video game addiction IS like any other addiction, and should be treated as such.  I have attempted to get many people help at the traditional addiction centers - their responses are:  we only treat drugs and alcohol.  I think that is so LAME.  And of course, many professionals have never seen anyone addicted to games, so they have no clue about what to do, or if it even exists.  Many people looking for help have been laughed and and insulted by professoinals because of this.

lizwool

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Unfortunatly addiction centers tend to focus on well known (read: profitable) addictions that they can train staff quickly with a rote patterns for addressing it.  Also unfortunatly it sounds like the people who are trying to focus on it are again going for a high profil money maker with lots of shock value.  Same with porn addiction.  These are the technitions of the medical world... not much better then just using a self help book unless you EXACTLY fit their script.

Hrm.  If you are near a major medical center with a good research psych dept you might have more luck.  Upenn and Univ of Pittsburgh are both examples that likly have good generalists on staff.... or at least people with a good grasp of general theory.

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This is Canada. You can't sue people for being stupid. There's no financial harm in stupidity. You just tell them they're stupid.

 
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NeenekoRent control is useful in moderation, NYC took it way to far and tends to be held up as an example of them not working, but in most cases they are more subtle and positive.04/15/2014 - 10:24am
PHX CorpBeating Cancer with Video Games http://mashable.com/2014/04/14/steven-gonzalez-survivor-games/04/15/2014 - 9:21am
Matthew Wilsonwhat are you saying SF should do rent control, that has never worked every time it has been tried. the issue here is a self inflicted supply problem imposed by stupid laws.04/15/2014 - 8:52am
 

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