After failing to locate Brandon Crisp despite more than a week of intensive searching, police are reportedly focusing their investigation on the missing gamer's Xbox Live account.
This morning's Toronto Star reports that the cyber crimes unit of the Ontario Provincial Police will attempt to identify members of Brandon's Xbox Live Call of Duty 4 clan. Barrie P.D. spokesman Sgt. Dave Goodbrand told the Sun that Microsoft has agreed to breach its normal privacy protocols in the hunt for the missing 15-year-old:
Brandon's dad made a plea to Microsoft. This is an exigent circumstance, where it's a kid you're searching for. This isn't the same as other criminal investigations, where you're looking for evidence... [Brandon] was getting good enough that there's a possibility he was expanding into other clans.
In related news, GamePolitics spoke with Sgt. Goodbrand last night and learned that police are not releasing Brandon's Xbox Live gamertag. While the gamertag would give concerned gamers a starting point from which they could explore online resources in the search for Brandon, law enforcement officials fear that the information may be misused. There could also be important investigative reasons. It is not unusual for certain pieces of information to be withheld from the public in major cases.
How might gamers help? Although the circumstances are much different - and infinitely more serious - in Brandon's case, here's one example: Crime File: Global Gamer Community Tracks Down Xbox Live Thieves.




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As with any high profile case, it's always possible that there is someone in the police (or prosecuters office) that wants to make damn sure that they get the credit for cracking the case, therefor they won't make it easy for any structure that isn't under their control to find him.
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Not to mention certain "other" indivdiuals who've reportedly already had contact with the police in the case.
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Remember folks, gamers are the PROBLEM, not the solution.
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How are gamers the PROBLEM?
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Jack? Is that you?
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I believe he is stating how the police and parents feel about gamers.
Kind of a whole, "If it weren't for you button mashing losers, my son would be home right now." and "Damn gamers have caused a kid to go missing." kind of mentality might be present.
Despite the fact that odds are a lot of the people searching for the kid on the police force and the volunteer groups statistically have to be gamers as well.
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Thanks for clearing that up for the rest of them. It's exactly what I meant. To the parents and police, the gaming community is a force working against them. Both have motive for not supplying the gamertag. The police want the credit for themselves. And it would also go against the basis of the parent's arguments against there own son. On my local news station, the story has risen to the point of COD4 video being displayed as if to say: "Be on the look out! If you see this game..." This is an example of the certain avenues this story should not have taken if only the parents weren't still trying to make a case against the gaming community.
Kids run away from home because of arguments all the time. How many times do you hear about the subject of the argument? It's usually mentioned but forgotten. From day one, I have seen these parents as cowards, trying to shift the blame. They still want to be the winners of the argument that caused their son to leave them. If the kid comes back they still want to be able to say that they're right, that the gaming community is evil. And they can't say that if we end up help them.
Mark my words; this isn't over when it’s over. There is a case being built against us. Gamers are going to be dragged through the mud one way or another. Be ready.
... And me? Jack Thompson? I think I deserve an apology.
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Luckily we are getting older, growing in numbers and having more control over many elements of the world. I think it is beyond too late for them to try to pull us through the mud, because we can and will fight back, and with greater power.
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Many parents just refuse to take blame for failing as a parent...
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Brandon's parents did very well...whether or not their decision was the BEST decision, at least they tried, which is more than can be said for many parents.
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Debatable due to the fact it got to the point of 'addiction' if it even did, there is no professional opinion on weither this is actually true. Even at that he was evidently playing a mature rated game without parental supervision. The judgement of the father still stumps me on why he would pack the bags for his son. Under no circumstance would I do that. I would not allow him to leave the house other than to go to school if there was an arguement, but mostly not let him leave that night. People get over arguements over night. Either way, there is more to the story or else I can not see the rationality behind the child leaving, addicted or not.
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Being under the age of 17 doesn't mean that he's more or less succeptible to addiction, and it doesn't mean that an M-rated game is going to damage him psychologically.
What if he was 17? Would your post still apply?
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Damaging a child psychologically isn't the only reason why kids shouldn't play M rated games. The maturaty level of the child and playing any violent game has it's results, typically in increased aggression. If his parents were so worried about people he was playing with online, they were NOT around enough to prevent it and should have attacked the problem far earlier.
My new question is, have they just recently been worried about the people online all across the world, or is this a long term worry they have had? If it is something they have has for a long time, then they should have taken it away a long time ago.
I am not saying it is less or more likely to be addicted. This is NOT a game you typically see people get addicted to. You typically see people get addicted to online MMOs, maybe a few shooters, but you are more likely to see someone addicted to Spore than CoD. I am doubting the addiction due to the game in question, and the kid's actions. Why would he run off away from his tools of addiction? It isn't like everyone has a X360, or that they are cheap to get. After that you still need an online connection too.
The peices of the puzzle just don't fit.
I still have other key questions... When and how did the child contact someone from Live to be taken away like his parents are suggesting? When was the last time they moved, and how far away apart are those locations if within the past 10 years? When did the 'addiction' start, and what other signs were shown that would hint toward addiction? How many friends did this kid have at school or that he regularly hang out with? What was the conversation the lady had with the boy that spotted him after he left home? What exactly was the game in question? Was is CoD4, though I doubt it, unless they are talking about 2 game and never clearified?
If he had few to no friends at school, then I could see their "someone he played with online took him" story more likely, but not even close to the odds of it being some random person picked him up after his dad encouraged him to leave by packing the kid's bags. Other signs of addiction and when it started would be other key things that might be able to support that story, but I am doubting it.
Addiction isn't instant when it comes to video games though. It takes at least a little bit of time. Most cases I have seen, it has taken around 6 months, give or take a month, some cases only 3 months.
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Well, the gamers can hardly help if no-one will let them, though I can understand concerns about releasing details, it's not standard police policy to release any more details than is neccesary, the purpose for that is about identification and decreasing pranksters and hoaxers, who have been in existence long before video games existed.
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It's sad for me to read these to see how misinformed and wrong these people are about how these things work, yet persue the wrong areas and put valuable time into them.
What a pity.
Also, I have to ask, how the fuck would we 'misuse' his gamertag? The best we could do is harass him, and the worst that will do is have him found to be harassed. Absolutely illogical. And that's assuming the internet, as horrible as it is, would waste time doing that.. Which we would not. If not for moral reasons, then because there's just nothing funny to do.
Lame. Totally lame.
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If I were to guess, the only misuse I could think of that would hurt things is if they are watching the account for incoming messages that might reveal something. If the gamertag was already out there then people would probably be flooding it with crap.
They also might be worried about someone hijacking the account, but that seems a bit more out there.
Any chance GP could ask for clarification? Their explination for why they are not allowing the gaming community to help is kinda sketchy.
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I don't know if there's anyway MS could restrict the tag in anyway. Maybe only allow messages from currently existing friends and THEN release the tag? So that no messages can come from people who added the kid after the release? I do see that as a legitimate concern.
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The best we could do is harass him
This was harrassment too
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What exactly is your point? Yes the Myspace Suicide was a horrible tragedy involving internet harrasment. But in this case, no one knows where this kid is. Sure he COULD get harrassed, but that presumes he signs online from somewhere.
Did you miss the whole point that this kid is MISSING. Releasing his gamertag would allow the ENTIRE XBOX live community to be part of finding him. That is a lot of people with eyes who are looking to see if this kid signs on. If he's so "addicted" as his parents claim he will be looking for a way to get on. If someone saw him online they could notify authorities or MS who might be able to track where he's signing on from.
At this point it's far better that this kid get harrassed online...at least that would mean he's alive. He can change his gamertag after he's found.
What worries ME is the possibility of everybody on this kid's buddy list (I don't use Live so I don't know if that is what it is called) suddenly being a suspect in the eyes of authorities because the working theory appears to be that this kid went to meet some fellow COD4 player.
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And given the summary of events, not particularly stable either. So "just harrassment" is a problem.
Why does the gamertag need to be posted at all? MICROSOFT would have the records, they're the only ones you need to talk to. They'd have the IPs, what other gamertags have come from the same IP.
What worries ME is the possibility of everybody on this kid's buddy list (I don't use Live so I don't know if that is what it is called) suddenly being a suspect in the eyes of authorities because the working theory appears to be that this kid went to meet some fellow COD4 player.
You can see "friends of" a given tag as well. You're worried about the police. What about vigilantes?
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I would recommend that the gamertag be released under the informed function that his tag in-game will be tied to several other internet usernames. Most likely his gamertag is something he is dearly tied to. Insomuch as it is most likey his username on several other forums (we are all guilty of this at one point or another). Forums that Microsoft will not find in the xbox360 or the mother and the father are familiar with. That information alone would open the case to gamers who could scour the net for users who had similar tags if not the same tag, and find additional information regarding conversation or websites for the police to hone in on.
We have, so far to my knowledge, treated this young man as if his internet browsing habits went so far as a Call of Duty game. By discrediting the notion that there are ni other connetions to the internet in his home I would like to postulate on the function of checking the family computer, his computer (if he had an independent one), and, if an independent computer exsisted, checking the routers log to see where this young man has been...assuming the family turned on the log function when they set it up.
I would also recommend that the police check his school's electronic records for the computers in the library and any labs. locating a point in time when the clan's website or a Call of Duty website was accessed from the school network might very well give insight into other sites were visited by that user. Considering the isolated nature of this young man's "addiction" one could use that information to weed out a list of sites visited from school, should he have done that. A simple phone call to the school and their IT folk would have that ball rolling, and little to no police manpower would be burned waiting for the results.
We are left salivating over the concept that the police are focused soley on the xbox360, and given no indication that they are taking their investigation online. I would conceed that they are most likely doing what I say, or have already done so and are following up on such. However, if they have narrowed their vision to just the Xbox360, and forsaken any other venue of investigation, then there could indeed be trouble down the line. Moreso if the Sheriff, who spoke to a now disbarred Lawyer who claimed to be an "expert" on the matter, listened to said expert, and directed his men away from other venues of inquiry. I fear that this may be a time when an uninformed official listend to a supposed expert, and inadvertently allowed the trail to go cold.
We want to help. We have resources in multiples of thousands more than the entire police force. For every one on the ground, there can be dozens of us scouring the internet for signs of this young man. In an integrated world, you have to look at the physical and the electronic, so why tie your hands?
To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; credible we must be truthful. Edward R. Murrow
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I really don't accept the theory that this kid is so addicted to gaming that he fled because his 360 got taken away.
BUT, if that IS the theory that police are running with it makes absolute sense to put his gamertag out there. The first thing an addict does is try to get a fix. Which means this kid is desperately searching for a 360 to get online with. Releasing his gamertag simply expands the number of people that are looking for this kid in the online environment.
Vigilante justice is NOT nearly as common as you seem to believe. At least here in the United States. So releasing his gamertag would allow others to see this kid's friends. That doesn't mean they can track those people down, or are then going to travel to try and find those people to meet out justice.
It's a risk/reward balance which is always the case with releasing information to the public. Should the police not release suspect descriptions or "person of interest" descriptions out of fear of vigilante justice?
I think you're arguing about a problem that doesn't really exist, at least certainly not the level you seem to think. I doubt there's going to be posse's forming to find every friend of this kid and bring justice to them.
It's also always easier to track an ACTIVE conncetion than one that previously connected and having the kid's tag out there just increases the number of eyes searching for that active connection. It's just more eyes on the hunt which is a good thing.
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Not common multiplied by many = common.
The internet is wide. I can think of at least one mentally unstable person that might be tempted for the vigilante option given that he has plenty of free time. He's not the only one. How much happened in the suicide instance? Quite a bit.
What can individuals do that Microsoft can not? The servers can immediately alert the police. What is gained by having many fallible eyes when there is one infallible one?
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So Xbox live users will form a search team if they are in his area???
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Remember the Xbox moron case? The victim was able to track down the theif once he got the gamer tag, and the people online did the rest, and even got his phone number. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsJsIViGqsk
This also might have the parent think twice about what they say about online community.
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I think the police are stupid thinking that they could do better with information, such as the gamertag, than the community. They need to realize where their expertise is, and quit acting like they know everything. If they did, they would have found him by now.
Not saying that this whole ordeal has ANYTHING to do with Xbox Live, since I seriously doubt it still. This is the biggest circus in the world right now, and the biggest joke of an investigation. I will take JT more serious than these people.
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